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Is There Any Circumstance Where It’s Cool For A Black Person To Entertain President Trump?

In the couple months since Donald Trump was elected President, he has met with quite a few Black people. (Maybe as many as four.) Most recently, he shared an audience with Steve Harvey, and they presumably traded notes on Chicago, tailoring, KFC, wife retention, enunciation, homespun fuckshit, and denture flavors. Naturally, news of Harvey meeting with Trump wasn’t received particularly well in most circles of Blackness. I wouldn’t quite say we (collectively) were disappointed in him — high expectations are a prerequisite of disappointment — but it just cemented everything we (generally) knew about him. Basically, that he’s a charlatan, and a shameless and feckless moth to money, power, status, and buttons. I don’t use the word coon at all — frequent use of it is often a Hotep signifier — but he fits the definition. Shit, he is the definition. Look up coon in the dictionary, and you’ll find the definition of coon. But attached as a footnote to it will be a picture of Steve Harvey. And not just any picture, but this one:

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Discussion about Harvey’s meeting, however, segued into another debate. Is there any circumstance where it’s cool for a Black person to pursue and/or accept an audience with soon-to-be President Trump? Are we supposed to collectively ignore the White House for the next four years?

I honestly don’t have an answer to either of those questions. I’m tempted to say no to the former and yes to the latter, but I also recognize my biases (and by “biases” I mean “hate for Darth Cheeto“) might be clouding my judgement. I just can’t fathom a reason to legitimize him and pay him that respect. I don’t believe there’s anything a fucking conversation with him would accomplish, other than learning the color and scent of his anus.

That said, are there conditions that can be met where I’d reconsider? Where if, for whatever reason, Trump and/or the Trump administration invited me to the White House, and I accepted? Yes, there are! But before I continue, let me make a couple things clear.

1. I recognize that there are people who may have similar feelings about Trump, but have to meet/engage with him because they either work in or closely with government, and their jobs depend on it. These people should be exempt from judgement.

2. Me hypothetically opting out of a hypothetical meeting with the soon-to-be President is not brave. Or even particularly principled. And I want to make sure that this isn’t coming off as me attempting to prove how brave and principled I am. I do think I can be brave (I killed a thousand-legger last week!) and I think I have principles and shit, but this isn’t an example of that. It’s actually easy for me to say fuck no, because I have no incentive to say yes — there’s nothing he can do for me and there’s nothing I want from him — and every incentive to say no.

Anyway, what would need to happen for me to accept a meeting with President Trump?

He’d have to show he was actually serious about making the country better. And not better in an 1930’s Germany sense, but actually better.

And for me to believe he was serious, he’d have to publicly apologize for the birther controversy and admit it was a transparently racist ploy to delegitimatize President Obama. He’d also have to admit that he ran on a platform that intentionally pandered to racist and misogynistic fears, he’d have to apologize for all of the insults and implied violence directed towards Black people, women, Muslims, Mexicans, disabled people, and anyone else I’m leaving out, and he’d have to devote his resources towards actually making the country a safer and better place for those Americans he’s deemed unamerican.

And then he’d have to fire each one of his hires. And, of course, resign. Because as long as he continues to be President of America, it’s proof that he’s not actually serious about fixing it.

And then, would I meet with him? Eh, I don’t know. I mean, I’d make the drive to DC. But I’d probably just end up at Marvin.

Damon Young

Damon Young is the editor-in-chief of VSB. He is also a columnist for GQ.com And he's working on a book of essays to be published by Ecco (HarperCollins). Damon is busy. He lives in Pittsburgh, and he really likes pancakes. Reach him at damon@verysmartbrothas.com. Or don't. Whatever.

  • I’m not touching this one

  • JennyJazzhands

    I’m prepared to ignore the Whitehouse and presidency for the next 4 years. If we make it that long.

    • kingpinenut

      I am ignoring the whitehouse….

      #FalloutSheltersForLife

    • Sigma_Since 93

      We can’t afford to do that. At a minimum, we need to know what to fix when his term is over.

      • Especially with how the con man treats the media. He’s going to do his best to gaslight the fuck out the nation.

        • TheUnsungStoryteller

          Trump think he all he has to say is “you’re fired!” Or “you’re fake news!” Or “unfair” and critics just disappear. I hope they don’t back down.

          • Kas loves Jamaican Breakfast

            So far it’s worked for him though.

            • Sigma_Since 93

              But he’s not if office so it really don’t count. I can look like an all star during pre game warm ups and play like a bum when it really counts.

      • Cranberry05

        Oh, WE’LL know…?

        • Sigma_Since 93

          But will we have a plan to undo what has been done. I’ve got to give it to the Republicans, they know how to undo stuff. In the case of the ACA, they don’t have a plan to replace but everything else that Black folk consider to be progress, they have had a plan to undo and unwind.

          The question for the Democrats will be what is their plan to undo 4 years of Trump?

          • Cranberry05

            They’ll be calling Obama and asking him to be on the transition team. He did a heck of job turning around Bush’s mess.

    • tinycurls

      All I want to say is WORD…absolutely ignoring it. Not only is this is the absolute last Trump related thing I will ever click, but if anyone attempts to have a conversation that involves that cheeto, I will get up and run away.

  • Negro Libre

    I’m mixed on this.

    On one hand I don’t think anyone should be meeting with Trump for anything, it’s clear everyone he meets in public is just bait for the media, to redirect negative stories about himself in the media. On the other hand, I feel what I’m seeing on the left, is so reminiscent of the Tea Party (different reasons, but same style), that I’m wondering, if that’s our future? Lets say Trump just disappears today or he gets impeached and kicked out of office, it seems that the non-normalizing of Trump style and the Tea Party approach will not be leaving our approaches to politics anytime soon, and in order to get things done more and more power will have to be concentrated in the executive branch.

    I’m wondering how long that can last before we’re all asking for the equivalent of a dictator?

    • NCDancer

      I feel you on a lot of this but here’s where the heartburn comes: I think the right/alt-right relies on the decency of the “left.” Take President G.W Bush. We could have made the case that the election was stolen and spent 8 years blocking him at every turn. But many of us recognized that we have to work for the greater good. That was the right thing to do, but for President Obama, none of that was reciprocated. So how do you continue to play fair with a party that hasn’t shown in any interest in doing so for the past, say 40 to 50 years? I don’t have an answer …

      • Negro Libre

        I think much of what happened with Bush rotates around 9/11, not so much the results of that election. Even if the left had tried a similar strategy which though not as blatant or vitriolic, they’ve done in years past, the terrorist attacks made it impossible to do much about his agenda (If memory serves me right post-9/11, he had nearly a 90% approval rating?). Furthermore, as on the right, it’s good to remember that the Tea Party went out of it’s way to get rid of Republicans that did decide to work with Obama. My point being that that didn’t really originate within the political party, but from outside of it.

        My concern is that there’s a tendency in politics to think that opposition and blocking is some kind of replacement for political strategy or dealing with practical problems. The rise of Trump is actually proof that such strategy doesn’t work and has the opposite effect (Trump is the logical result of Tea Party type politics, where people come to power not based on their ideas or ability to get things done, but rather on how much hatred they can extract from the opposing party). I don’t know how long that kind of politics can last.

        • Brother Mouzone

          Which is why (I know this is peak conspiracy brotha talk) I think that 911 stuff was done to benefit Dubya. Think about his presidency without that happening.

      • Duff Soviet Union

        The answer is you don’t. Republicans are ruthless, while Democrats spend time appealing to an imaginary ref.

      • Hugh Akston

        The answer is you take a page out of their books and don’t back down

        • Kas loves Jamaican Breakfast

          My thoughts are you can’t play the game the way they play, but you certainly can’t keep trotting out the same playbook the Dem’s have been using.

  • LMNOP

    I think it depends whether or not the meeting involves peeing on him.

    • Hugh Akston

      Haha chuckles

  • NomadaNare

    I have mixed feelings about Harvey

    He is a c0 on but I am not quite sure if meeting with Trump makes him one (I doubt Trump would have called him if he wasnt a c0 on ahead of time)

    That being said I dont know if I would turn down a call from Trump (not like I would ever get one because Im *not* a c0on) not because I think hes a legitimate president but because proximity lends itself to a greater ability to undermine

    It is fashionable to not have anything to do with this administration and I completely understand that position but how many of us are missing opportunities to advocate for our interests during this particularly tough period

    Can we put aside our egos and work on behalf of our communities

    • Amber

      So I don’t listen to his radio show but i read on twitter that Harvey talked about the meeting. He said it was a quick meeting and they mostly tackled about golf. Trump’s people actually set up the meeting by getting in touch with him through Harveys tv show. At the end of the meeting Trump asked what Harvey wanted and he said help inner cities or something then trump got Carson on the phone. Then the photo opp. Now is it a bad thing that black people are meeting with Trump but the question is why is he calling said black person and what really can that black person add to the political discussion. You would think he would call black members of Congress first instead of trashing them on twitter.

      • Negro Libre

        I was watching Floyd Mayweather on youtube talking about why he wasn’t going to fight for $25 million; it’s quite clear he’s not the most coherent of people, we also know he can’t read for ish thanks to Curtis. However, while I was listening I realized two things: one he knows how to promote fights in the media and b. more importantly, he knows his money, and he knows both of those things better than most journalists, academics, critics and researchers who spend their entire lives studying those things.

        Trump is an utter idiot in most things having to do with politics or managing a country, however, he does has two strengths, it’s Public Relations and manipulation. One of the reasons why he’s in office is because a lot of people foolishly overlooked those two strengths he has, and fall into his trap when he tricks them into trying to combat him on his own terrain, where he knows like the back of his hand, better than a lot of people who spend their livelihood trying to understand those things. As Sun Tzu would say “If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles.”

        If you’re going to go against Trump, don’t let him drag you onto his battlefield. You’re gonna look bad, and not only that, you’re going to give him more power and leverage to continue his agenda by redirecting criticism towards trivialities.

        • NomadaNare

          Its clear that Trumps strength is not in policy

          While hes off tilting behind some windmill on Twitter maybe nuggets here and there can be inserted into otherwise disastrous policy (since it will be pushed through anyway)

          Of course in order to do this one would need proximity

          I guess the question is what it would be worth to some folk to possibly do some good in the midst of all this bad

          Of course youd come off looking like Carson Omarosa and Rice but maybe you can pull a Rogue One here or there and insert a secret destabilizing harmonic in an otherwise functioning reactor with an easy to access exhaust port

          Would you turn this down in an otherwise hopeless political situation

        • Amber

          Definitely agree on trumps strengths. They are his strengths because the media isn’t interested in truth and objective reporting, if there ever was such a thing, but on sensationalism. The B&B circus is ending is interesting when viewed thru the lens of trump ascendance to POTUS. I think this is why maybe more independent media is crucial and a political fight on multiple fronts is necessary. Those who oppose trump are starting from very far behind but it’s not lost…hopefully.

          • Hugh Akston

            I forgot who said it (the CEO of cbs or abc?) “drumpf might be bad for America but good for us”???

            • Amber

              I think CBS les moonves

        • exactly, totally agree about Trump’s opponents allowing him to set the agenda/battlefield. It hasn’t occurred to them yet that they can or should drag him to their own battlefield. Honestly people ought to study strategy.

          • TheUnsungStoryteller

            That’s so true Negro Libre and Kemo! I actually thought about that when Trump tweeted that he wanted his Republican cabinet to “be themselves” (despite disagreeing with him) during their confirmations. It’s like he doesn’t care what they have to say or think, he has the power at the end.

    • I don’t think AAs should put aside their egos; the Trump isn’t doing that. Black people have and can work on behalf of their communities without pandering and dancing to the tune of a man who blatantly doesn’t have their best interest at heart.

  • MoBell

    If any black person wants to meet with Trump for serious reasons, then they should do it in silence without being used by him for media purposes. If you REALLY want to take a chance to air your grievances then move in silence with it. See if he will speak to you WITHOUT the media opp because all this dude knows how to do is use people for his end game, which is to help himself.

    • Negro Libre

      The media opp is Trump’s go-to for everything.

      • MoBell

        Exactly. He is a reality star, and he is going to treat this presidency like a reality show. Reality shows are fake, so a person with some type of brain would understand a call from Trump for a meet up means he wants you on his “show”, not that he has any interest in helping you whatsoever if it doesn’t help him. He is only connecting with black entertainers because he is an entertainer and this is all for entertainment purposes. And the only person being entertained by this is the devil and his minions..smh

        • Cranberry05

          “He is only connecting with black entertainers because he is an entertainer and this is all for entertainment purposes.”

          And not any of the woke entertainers either.

          Is he going to call Jesse Williams next?

          • Kas loves Jamaican Breakfast
            • Cranberry05

              I really like how he did this video!

          • “M”

            Heh.
            I don’t think so, no.

            When DL Hughley, of all people, calls you out because all you’ve invited to your Presidential PhotoOps are a rapper, a football player, and a clown, because those are the only roles you are comfortable seeing POC in … and he’s right

            http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/dl-hughley-fk-you-now-and-fk-you-forever-donald-trump_us_587d0b60e4b0e58057ffca05

            #YeahDLIAmStillMadAboutRutgersMhm

            I mean, it’s not like he was all that comfortable with Congressman Lewis in *his* role, now, is he …?

            • Cranberry05

              Facts. Ultimately DT is selective about picking people to “entertain” (read: distract) certain types of black people.

            • Mary Burrell

              I saw that too don’t care much for him or Steve Harvey but I was glad when he appeared on Fox News he told them about how racist they were and he put Megan Kelly in her place when she got out of pocket.

              • Yay Radley

                I liked the balls he showed on that interview with Megan Kelly, and that quote about Fox Snooze being the only place racism doesn’t exist warmed my heart. but the debater in me was slightly disappointed in his overall delivery. He let her get him to respond emotionally, when we all know he has all the facts and receipts at his disposal.

    • siante

      Exactly!

  • Sigma_Since 93

    I was having this conversation with Bunni yesterday. Honolulu Slim asked us to engage and not sit on the sideline. We can’t label everyone who takes up the charge a c o o n. Based upon the work Steve Harvey has done through his charities, Omega Psi Phi, and how he’s used his radio connections to promote a platform that benefits Black folk, I take his efforts seriously.

    I’m glad there was a photo op; it helps us to bring receipts to the table if Darth Cheeto claims nobody wants to work with him.

    • Wild Cougar

      Who the fuck cares if he claims nobody wants to work with him? Nobody gotta respond to his clown azz. Who the fuck cares what Obama has to say about what we should be doing? Who the fuck cares what Steve Harvey did with his frat?! That Cheeto faced fucknugget clown gets NONE of my participation.

      • Hugh Akston

        Welp?

      • Brother Mouzone

        whuh damn! lol

  • rikyrah

    The answer to your question is NO.

    We had an example of coonery and patriotism in the same day.
    While Harvey was cooning, we had John Lewis show an expression of American patriotism.

    What upset me most about Harvey’s coonery was him standing there, so out of his lane, allowing that piece of garbage to be given a photo op.

    Please explain to me Harvey’s expertise in Urban development?

    Did anyone watch Carson’s confirmation hearing?
    It is obvious that he has no idea what his department is supposed to do.

    Carson and now Harvey, will be used to put a Black face on the looting of the Department of Housing and urban development. As Harvey gets some 2-3 building development, and the 2 piece and a biscuit preachers that shinned and grinned, will get some insignificant project done…

    BILLIONS will be looted.
    The privatization of public housing will be done, and millions of working class and poor families will be harmed.

    But ,Carson and Harvey won’t have an answer for that, will they?????

    • IAmMikeBrown

      It should’ve been called “c00nfirmation”.

    • Hugh Akston

      I agree mostly but I’m not sure about: We had gotten lazy….

      I would say comfortable…but maybe I’m splitting hair

      • Negro Libre

        Lol I’m glad you caught that.

        What got me was the looting of billions?

        Public Housing been fantastically corrupt since Robert Moses, if not longer.

        • Kas loves Jamaican Breakfast

          Based on my limited knowledge of Public Housing, more incompetent senior management than corrupt.

          • Negro Libre

            You should def check out the Robert Moses book by Robert A Caro, or checkout the PBS documentary on New York City (one of the best I’ve ever seen)

            Robert Moses is kind of the blueprint to understanding the logic and public understanding of the politics of public housing.

            • Kas loves Jamaican Breakfast

              I’m speaking to my current dealings with Housing Authorities without getting into the genesis of how they came to be. But I’m the first to admit, my experience is limited, and only extends as far as the local level.

              • Negro Libre

                I know some people who are housing and they’re generally good people. But I think the politics of American Public Housing shows the limitations on what people can or cannot do within it. It’s similar to education and mental health. You might have the biggest of hearts within the field, but politics define how successful you’ll be and how long your successes will last before you’re gotten rid of.

                That being said, if you don’t understand the politics and history of public institutions, I always feel you’re going in blind if you want to get anything out of them. It’s one of the reasons why I’m usually dismissive towards most activists who think passion is the road to salvation or liberation. It irritates me, because it shows an utter ignorance of human nature and how institutions operate across any society: cosmopolitan or rural.

                • Kas loves Jamaican Breakfast

                  I’ve watched my share of non-profits flounder running on passion and what ought to be.

                • Cranberry05

                  “It’s similar to education and mental health. You might have the biggest of hearts within the field, but politics define how successful you’ll be and how long your successes will last before you’re gotten rid of.”

                  I was just about to say this!

        • Hugh Akston

          For years and years

          So…what’s the platform? End goal ? I don’t think there is one…you do you and I do me…I guess

          • Negro Libre

            Fact is that without ownership you never have control.

            Problem with all public policies in general is they come with loyalties rather than “needs”, because there’s no guarantee that political relationships will remain strong overtime – Politics 101: the backstab is always on the horizon.

            Furthermore, if the opposing party gets into power, it is logically inevitable that it’s those that were loyal to their enemies, that suffer the brunt of the consequence for misplaced loyalties.

            So if there’s no line or path towards ownership, such solutions are always going to be temporary in nature.

            • Hugh Akston

              Very true

              There was this article on alzajera English about this black CEO who was lamenting that after a fallout in the company he didn’t find jobs as fast as the other top senior executives to which I was thinking (he worked for a lot of your top companies) at this point you be running your own company and have ownership to compete you can’t reach a certain level of success and not established your own business to evolve your community

              Seeing how public policies affect certain communities (positively and negatively) it’s quite problematic that we have not learned how to play the game to advance higher ownership in the pie like other groups

              “So if there’s no line or path towards ownership, such solutions are always going to be temporary in nature.”

              Indeed..and you see that in terms of generational wealth and what’s being passed on to the next generation…take the current prez and the elected and asked what’s being passed on with both of those families…there lies one of the big problems

              • Negro Libre

                I think a lot of us can’t differentiate politics in the natural human sense from politics in the revolutionary and idealistic sense.

                I kind of grew up around politics in Nigeria as a kid, and got first hand looks into how it worked and heard stories about people I know walking out of meetings with Fortune 500 companies with millions of dollars in suitcases while a white guy is in tears…and the more I learn about politics in the U.S. the more I’m convinced that the rules of the game are universal.

                I hate politics, but I never underestimate the necessity of it given human nature.

                • Kas loves Jamaican Breakfast

                  Trust and believe

                • Hugh Akston

                  Let me say that they are

                  Kind of got the wake up call working in Australia…sitting in the same room with millionaires billionaires and politicians discussing who was going to get what…and which markets they were going to target

                  You think this happened by accident and overnight?

                  http://money.cnn.com/2016/09/15/investing/john-boehner-smoking-joins-tobacco-company/

                • nillalatte

                  “the more I learn about politics in the U.S. the more I’m convinced that the rules of the game are universal.”

                  True dat! I have thought the same for such a long time. When I read the history of Alamut, Iran, Hassan Sabbah, and the Hashashin, I realized we, humans, still carry on as they did THOUSANDS of years ago. Absolutely nothing is different except the players.

              • Kas loves Jamaican Breakfast

                Along the same lines, children of middle class parents are at greater risk of being lower income as adults than children of other races. Why, because a great percentage of Blacks made it into middle class through civil service jobs. You can’t hand those jobs down and for the most part you can’t even pull strings to help your kids get a similar gig. Not to mention, the war on civil service jobs that the Right has been fighting for decades now.

                • Hugh Akston

                  Maybe but I believe past generations could have a better set up for next generation

                  One of my uncles bragged that he put all his kids through college and his job was done..he owns an electric company and none of his kids ever worked with him he never cared to have them in

                  On the other hand my cousin’s white girlfriend bought a house last year and was able to put down 20k so her interest is low…yeah her parents helped her through school…etc and even now continue to subsidize her

                  And that’s what I mean I get what you’re saying but a lot of times past generations didn’t set up much to pass on to their kids besides “get an education and get a job”..

                  • Negro Libre

                    I made this comment to an older Nigerian professor once and he almost ish his pants when I said that a solid understanding of economics shows that education isn’t the primary source of economic growth or wealth in any society, and it was palpable that a nation could be well educated and fantastically poor.

                    I think it took everything in him not to slap me in my face or at the very least spit in it lol.

                    • Kas loves Jamaican Breakfast

                      I’ll take great connections over a great education any day of the week.

                    • Negro Libre

                      Being able to make other people rich, will always beat out a great education.

                    • Kas loves Jamaican Breakfast

                      I would say that it’s more keeping the majority of the pie in the same small circle.

                    • Hugh Akston

                      Tried to have similar conversations with some of my folks …yeah they weren’t going to have that…don’t think we can change their minds at this point

                    • Negro Libre

                      A good education can sometimes blind you from things that are accessible to those who have common sense and an appreciation for the simple truths of life.

                    • Me

                      I don’t know if I would call it common sense. I think a lot of people, especially poor and underclass (i.e. minorities) have strayed very far from basic instincts: self-preservation (and self includes offspring). As a western society, common sense dictates that we chase the highest paying “secure” job using education to guarantee entry. Basic instincts dictates that we never trust anything that we can’t acquire or fashion ourselves. We’ve been largely socialized to depend on a higher power (corporations) to keep us afloat rather than depending on our own faculties (entrepreneurship and passive income) to guarantee that we don’t sink.

                    • Negro Libre

                      I don’t see it as such, since let’s be real, it could easily be said that people in foreign and developing countries tend to value education more than people in Western societies. There’s a risk going into it yourself and there’s a high likelihood of failure, thus the appeal of the job from a corporation.

                      There’s also a lot of entrepreneurship in poor countries, I mean I grew up in Nigeria near a flea market, and I’ve seen people whose promotion and negotiation skills selling meat and fresh fish that would Trump to shame, it’s often because the skill of “organization” is often a skill lacking. And the skill of being able to organize people in the pursuit of profitable ventures isn’t as easy as we often let on in popular society, but yes, the potential for returns are limitless.

                      One of my favorite writers Eric Hoffer once made this insight that the skills and talents in a society usually flow where there is the greatest sense of esteem and regard for such. In the black community, the highest regards and respect goes to entertainers, artists, activists and the well educated. The entrepreneurs and businessmen aren’t as held in as high a regard, and thus we have a lot of good intentioned black people organizing marches in BLM or training future activists all over the country to fight the good fight against white supremacy, who have all the skills to be negotiating billion dollar contracts in fortune 500 countries or building the next earth shattering start-up.

                    • Cranberry05

                      I agree.

                    • satch7

                      yeah but the folks who running everything have been exposed to higher education even if they dropped out. only a handful of folks doing big things with nothing. i mean hundreds of millions of dollars. it is a high tech world and to think you going to survive on low level with nothing is not going to work

                    • Me

                      You don’t need to have hundreds of millions to pass things down and secure your family’s legacy. I know contractors/handymen who are great at what they do… the knowledge requires no college time, and very little high school, and you have built in apprentices every time you give birth, but they fail to see the security they can put in place by properly integrating their family in their line of work. The idea that the only way to make it is to be “doing big things” comes from the idea that you’re not doing isht unless it’s validated by some societal higher power (which usually means kowtowing to some already established corporation). There are plenty of no-namers passing on valuable estates to their kids, which is allowing their kids to live worry free and then some. The objective is to guarantee a source of income that will sustain your cost of living and leave enough extra to give your kids a head start. It doesn’t take higher education to do that.

                  • Kas loves Jamaican Breakfast

                    We are sort of saying the same thing. My comment was a follow up to you saying the Black Executive should have set had his own business for his level of success. My parents are both retired civil service, and even I have enough time on the books to qualify for retirement and subsidized medical even though I work in private industry now. My dad wasn’t in a position to pass on a job, but he made sure to cover education, down payment on a home, and a bit of real estate to pass on. My plan is to provide the same for my kids, and likely my niece since my sister won’t be in a position to do so.

                    • Hugh Akston

                      lol you’re right I misunderstood what you wrote took it from a different angle but yeah that’s what most of us should be doing

              • Cranberry05

                “Seeing how public policies affect certain communities (positively and negatively) it’s quite problematic that we have not learned how to play the game to advance higher ownership in the pie like other groups”

                We’re systematically denied the opportunity to do so: quality education, higher level positions, access to capital, and propetry acquisition.

                Then, when we do start our own, they burn our ish down. #BlackWallStreet

                • Hugh Akston

                  “We’re systematically denied the opportunity to do so: quality education, higher level positions, access to capital, and property acquisition.”

                  maybe so…but there are enough of us who have achieved a certain level of success working for others but haven’t build much from that..and don’t want to work with others to create something more lasting…i do you, you do me…mentality i guess…and then when i drive through Chinatown in NY Im seeing Chinese signs on banks and businesses…i say they’re trying to build and maintain their wealth…we don’t that enough on a large scale

                  “Then, when we do start our own, they burn our ish down. #BlackWallStreet”

                  understandable so we all should be strong proponents of the 2nd amendment right so Tulsa doesn’t get repeated

                  • Cranberry05

                    “maybe so…but there are enough of us who have achieved a certain level of success working for others but haven’t build much from that..and don’t want to work with others to create something more lasting…i do you, you do me…mentality i guess…”

                    Yeah, I personally believe we have been indoctrinated with an individualistic mentality in order to keep us stagnant as a whole.

                    “then when i drive through Chinatown in NY Im seeing Chinese signs on banks and businesses…i say they’re trying to build and maintain their wealth…we don’t that enough on a large scale”

                    Facts. But this also may be due to denied access of capital, too. I read some statistic that Asians are propering at an economic rate faster than any other racial group.

                    “understandable so we all should be strong proponents of the 2nd amendment right so Tulsa doesn’t get repeated”

                    Meh. We’ve seen minorities not be supported to carry their arms, even when white people do the same. Plus, if white people wanted to destroy a thriving business community, then us shooting back ain’t going to help.

                • Mary Burrell

                  Black Wall Street And Rosewood.

                  • Cranberry05

                    Yup!

  • DNA

    Like so many other individuals consumed by fame and fortune, Steve Harvey is an ignorant man with a platform that allows him to pretend to be an intellectual. Maybe if he was savvy enough to create meaningful and productive change for the culture from a meeting with Trump, I wouldn’t object, but we all know he is capable of no such thing. Think about it – no one would complain if someone like John Lewis or Ta-Nehisi Coates met with Trump. But Steve Harvey? Kanye West? Fuckk outta here.

  • IAmMikeBrown

    I don’t have a problem with citizens being engaged in the political process. It is, after all, what we have been encouraged to do, particularly in the last 6 decades when our people were earning the right just to vote, and even moreso in these last eight years at the behest of our first Black president. Whether Steve Harvey is tap-dancing or not (he is), I want to believe that he is using this opportunity to advance socioeconomic causes and concerns unique to our segment of America, and I want to believe that in this new administration there’s at least one rational ear. Shillers gonna shill, but only if they think they can get something from you. My granddaddy useta say, a shark can’t swim without water.

    • Kas loves Jamaican Breakfast

      My opinion of Steve was piss poor low well before he ever met with Cheeto.

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