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An Interview With Dr. Kinitra Brooks, Who Teaches A Class On Beyoncé

A few weeks ago, I saw on Facebook that somebody was teaching a class on Beyoncé and specifically Lemonade at the University of Texas-San Antonio. I thought to myself, that’s pretty cool. Well, as luck would have it, a friend of hers who reads VSB reached out and said that the professor was both an avid reader and sharer of VSB articles. Well, since I appreciate avid readers and sharers of VSB articles and since I was intrigued by the idea of the class itself, I said to myself, “Self, mayhaps you should reach out and talk to said professor, Dr. Kinitra Brooks, about the class, if she’s open to it.” Turns out she was. Below is the email exchange interview we had about her, her class, and Beyoncé as an academic subject. Shouts to Dr. Brooks for being awesome.

Panama: First, tell me (and the people) a bit about yourself. All I know so far is that you teach at the University of Texas-San Antonio, and that you’re teaching a class called “Black Women, Beyoncé & Popular Culture” and Lemonade will feature prominently, I believe. Which is awesome. Like, I can’t tell you how awesome I find that. But what’s your background? Who exactly are you?

Dr. Kinitra Brooks, Ph.D.: I am a New Orleans native. I have my PhD in Comparative Literature from UNC-Chapel Hill. I specialize in African American and Afro-Caribbean women’s literature and film. I am actually a horror scholar. I have a scholarly book coming out Fall (2017) titled Searching for Sycorax: Black Women Haunting Contemporary Horror and I also co-edited (with horror poet Linda Addison and fellow scholar Susana Morris) a creative anthology titled Sycorax’s Daughters which features short horror fiction written by black women.

I am interested in how black women remix, revise, and reimagine the horror genre both as characters and creators of horror. So, I have a scholarly article published about Michonne and Selena in The Walking Dead and 28 Days Later, respectively.

I am most interested in how black women take folklore and syncretic religious practices (so spiritual practices that mix West African religion with Christianity) in their creative fiction and use it as a place of power and subversion against the horror genre and classic readings of black women’s literature.

I read Gloria Naylor’s Mama Day as a great example of black women writing horror which focuses on a Conjure Woman and her lineage. I read Nalo Hopkinson’s fiction as this wonderful manifestation of Caribbean horror–which stems from the folklore.

P: You know how you ask somebody a question and the answer you get is nothing like you expected? That’s exactly what just happened. For starters, I’ve never heard the term “horror scholar” and it’s not because I don’t get out enough. What got you so interested in the horror genre? Especially to the point where you decided to make it into a scholarly endeavor? For the record, I dodge horror films as a rule. It’s not that I’m scared, it’s just that the way my imagination is set up, after watching Stephen King’s IT, I didn’t sleep for, like, 10 years. I’m still tired.

KB: LOL! I know, what I do usually sends folks left. I got into horror from my Dad (and his side of the family). My Dad was a blerd before we even knew what it was. We did an interview with him about it here at the Black Speculative Arts Digital Archive. My book opens up with a memory of the first time I saw Vamp with Grace Jones with my Aunt Errolyn and my cousin, Lee.  Remember that movie? (Panama Note: I do not. Not even a little bit.) And it scared the crap out of me. But even then, I noticed that Katrina NEVER spoke! The entire film she’s a central character and she never says a mumbling word! Where dey do dat at? And then, when she went into full monster mode–they basically exaggerated all of her African features (nose, mouth, etc.,). Even as a little girl I was like…something is off.

I watched Night of the Living Dead with my Dad early on. And then I got into Stephen King in 6th grade. It scarred me for life. I still sleep with the light on when my husband is out of town. And then me and my Dad were really into Buffy and Angel (we are now obsessed with Supernatural) and I was HIGHLY pissed when they killed the black slayer, Kendra. (I’m STILL pissed)

But our ideas of fear and what scares us is heavily influenced by culture and society. The majority of horror traffics in some form of Negrophobia or Gynophobia. And since I studied black women, I’ve always been fascinated by what happens if you fit both of those qualities? Both black AND woman? And I’ve been down that rabbit hole ever since.

Plus black women have BEEN writing horror and trafficking in supernatural themes, it was simply called something else. Folklore (Zora Neale Hurston) or magical realism (Toni Morrison). But so much of the scholarship has focused on the horrors of enslavement but not actual horror itself. And granted, sometimes there are valid intersections of those areas, but other times, not so much.

P: I have now spoken more about horror anything in these few questions than I have in the entire 37 years of my existence. You have changed my life. Thank you. So now that I know a bit about you, let’s talk about this class and how you ended up getting this approved. For starters, are you a huge Beyoncé fan? I am. I’m guessing you’d need to be in order to teach an entire class about her. I ain’t saying you have to be part of the Beyhive, but I guess it might help. But what spurred this idea and turned it into an actual class? And why?

KB: How did I get it approved? I’ve taught kooky classes before. I’m the weird one in the department. So, I’ve taught Horror Text & Theory, Black Women in Science Fiction, Fantasy & Horror, Speculative Black Women, Bad Black Mothers–so a class about Beyoncé was almost normal at this point. My department is pretty supportive about my course choices.

I have become a Beyoncé fan with her last two projects. Before then, I was pretty fairweather in my fandom. I enjoyed and appreciated her music and definitely her Black woman Southerness but I wouldn’t have called myself a true fan.

It was really in defending Beyoncé’s choices to other folks that I literally had an “Omigosh. I’m in the Beyhive!” moment. She got such flack for her last album (self-titled Beyoncé) and daring to be sexual with her husband. I was just like, look the woman has followed all of the rules that society makes for black women–she’s conventionally attractive with enough curves to be appealing, she comes from a two-parent home, she got married to a successful Black man who was just street enough, and then she had her child–and now she can’t sing about banging her husband? Whatever.

I tell my students and my friends, black women are going to be denigrated no matter what you choose. You might as well be yourself and be happy.

But the Lemonade project was completely different. It was that moment where she recites the “Anger” section. Where she discusses literally wearing the other woman’s skin and using her spine as a bedazzled cane…I literally jumped off my seat. That’s the Boo Hag! That’s the Soucouyant! These are folkloric characters who are know for shedding own skin (soucouyant) or wearing the skin of another (Boo Hag). That fell right into my research! And they say black women don’t do horror?

I was also co-teaching a Black Lives Matter class when “Formation” dropped. Me and other black feminist scholars were literally analyzing the video in the comment sections and DMs of Facebook. The next class, I began to show my students our work so they could see theoretical frameworks being constructed by academics as it happened and they were SO into it!

A few weeks later, Candice Benbow released the Lemonade Syllabus with lots of material with which I was quite familiar. At that point, I knew I could make this into a class.

P: I think it’s awesome that your school is supportive of your course choices. I’ve often wondered if Black professors were stymied in taking chances or if many just weren’t actually taking chances. Granted, I’m about 13 years out of any type of educational institution so it’s entirely possible that there are courses on all fashion of the Black experience, but we always seem to hear about them for a reason. So the Beyoncé fan in me is excited that any classes of the sort exist. And I do think she took her artistry into a whole different stratosphere with the release of Lemonade.

Seems like the visuals alone are ripe for the picking for all matters of the experience of Black women, in particular. It’s for reasons like that I wish that I could audit a class just to see what Beyoncé in an academic setting looks like. So, what DOES Beyoncé in an academic setting look like? What’s the approach? Projects? Tell me about the class!

KB: Some do and get stymied. Some don’t and won’t take that chance. I believe my freedom in course choices to be not necessarily unique but also not necessarily common. Some folks get handed a syllabus when they arrive with the understanding that this is the way the department has taught African American literature for the last 15 years and expects to teach it for the next 15 years. I also earn/balance out my course freedom by teaching core or service course like the Intro courses that are the workhorses of the department. So, I’m also teaching Introduction to Graduate Studies along with the Beyoncé course.

Hmm. Beyoncé in an academic setting. I’ve included the syllabus (Beyonce Syllabus) so you can see what’s going on but it’s about using Lemonade as a framework with which to enter a conversation that’s been going on about black womanhood amongst black women for over a century. Janell Hobson has spoken about Beyoncé as a Conjure Woman and so I have the students read her blog post and then use that idea to introduce the folkloric figure of The Conjure Woman–who first appeared in African American literature in the late 19th-Century in a collection of stories by Charles Chesnutt. So we read about the oral folklore concerning the Conjure Woman in the work of Kameelah Martin and then look at the contemporary literary manifestation of the Conjure Woman by reading Gloria Naylor’s Mama Day. So the students start with Beyoncé and expand further into classic African American literature and folklore.

Though today, I finally admitted to the students what they all knew. They had been bamboozled! Led astray (Their words!) because I have them reading hardcore literary theory and analyzing complex literature and folklore all under the guise of studying Beyoncé.

But the class wouldn’t be so successful if I didn’t have such a strong group of students. They are working their butts off and thinking about blackness and womanhood in popular culture and literature they never thought they could accomplish. And I am so proud of them. They continue to amaze me because they are so passionate and yet complex in their assessments of the readings.

And today I assigned them to make their own Lemonade Short films they write, film, edit, and analyze themselves.

P: I imagine that the possibility of taking a class about Beyoncé, and specifically Lemonade would be very well received by students, even if they do feel bamboozled. What kind of students sign up for the class? Do you think they’ll come out with a greater appreciation for Beyoncé and look at Lemonade differently? Has teaching this class made you look at Beyoncé differently?

KB: Teaching this class has definitely made me see her differently. I think I respect her more because of how deeply so many of the students admire her. And how hard they are willing to work to understand more of what she is doing.

We have all kinds of students. Half of the class is Black women. The other half is a healthy mix of Latina and white students, male and female, and across the sexuality spectrum. I am surprised by the number of straight male students of color (Black and Latino) that are in the class who are doing the work.

I also want to be clear. None of the students are drinking Beyoncé Kool-Aid. They have some hard questions for her and the work and make me think harder about the work. They push back in terms of who isn’t included in Lemonade that often go hard for Beyoncé–fat women and men who identify as queer (particularly those of color).

I can’t wait until we read the pieces that push back at Lemonade and they take their analysis even deeper. We are going to read Ashleigh Shackleford’s piece on Lemonade and feeling excluded and I think it is strong and going to really push the students to interrogate Beyoncé and the text for weaknesses and examine her imperfections, which is necessary as critics of Beyoncé and popular culture as a whole. But I continue to reiterate, similar to their support of Lemonade–their critiques of Lemonade must be as supported and documented by the evidence.

P: Well I think this is all awesome and I really appreciate you taking the time to share and discuss the class with me. As a student of pop culture, I’m always intrigued when academics find ways to intermingle the two worlds. Has the class and response from students met your own expectations? And are there any other types of classes you hope to bring to the masses that are in similar veins? I understand if you can’t let that cat out of the bag, but I had to ask. And lastly, is there anything additional that you’d like to share about the class, life, or anything? The floor is yours!

KB: Wow, the entire floor? That makes me nervous.

My students have exceeded my expectations. The response for the class has been out of control. I simply wanted to work out my thoughts on Lemonade with my students as I am co-writing an article with Dr. Kameelah Martin! A great trick we academics use is to center your class readings/teachings on your current research so you are FORCED to do the reading and writing–because you have to teach it.

I’m currently working on a course on Afrofuturism and planning a visit from Black Kirby next semester to talk about Blackness, comic books, and cool science fiction stuff.

Anything I can do to get my students excited about literature and cultural studies concerning black womanhood in all its many different aspects, I’m in. Lemonade is not perfect, nothing is, but it gave many of us scholars an opportunity, an entrance into the enthusiasm of our students. Many of my colleagues had students emailing us and asking all kinds of interesting questions and courses like this are our opportunity to weave together what our students see every day and the socio-cultural structures that gird them. We also get a chance to share what we do and remove some of the mystery that surrounds academia for folks.

Thank you for this opportunity. I really enjoyed our conversation and thanks for showing some love to academia. I really enjoy your website and have been following y’all for years. (And sometimes fighting in the comment sections–under my secret agent alias, of course!)

Have a wonderful day!

P: Thank you!

Panama Jackson

Panama Jackson is pretty fly (and gorgeous) for a light guy. He used to ship his frito to Tito in the District, but shipping prices increased so he moved there to save money. He refuses to eat cocaine chicken. When he's not saving humanity with his words or making music with his mouth, you can find him at your mama's mama's house drinking her fine liquors. Most importantly, he believes the children are our future. You can hit him on his hitter at panamadjackson@gmail.com.

  • Leggy

    I really enjoyed reading this!! I love seeing black women in academia! One of the best classes I ever took in college for an elective was an English class called “true life stories” and we basically read “nonfiction” books and analyzed how “true” are our non fiction books really?
    We read “the autobiography of a face” by Ann grealy then read “truth and beauty” by Ann patchett (which is basically Ann’s book about Lucy) and it’s just fascinating how differently we view ourselves vs how other people view us. I now recommend these two books together and in that order.
    I know I’m rambling but God, I love books. I can talk books forever!
    You’re amazing anyway!! Loved reading this.

    • Hibiscus???

      Which genres do you enjoy reading??

      • Leggy

        I’m definitely a fiction person but I really like fantasy -I’ve read all of Patrick rothfuss, Brandon Sanderson, mark Lawrence, I read wayy too much fantasy. Also i love dystopian novels (station eleven, the handmaid’s tale etc)
        Procedural detective novels – j k Rowling writes under a pseudonym and she’s written these comoron strikes books that are just fantastic.
        For non fiction, I just finished seabiscuit(this book was fantastic, I was getting mad and upset for a damn horse!)
        I also love thrillers. Just read the very hyped up “before the fall”, mehh, it was okay. I feel like I haven’t read any thrillers that have moved me recently and the publishers all try to market them as the next gone girl and they’re just imitations. Even girl on the train was so ehh to me.
        I read love everything as long as it’s good.
        The book I’ve hated this year though is the most hyped up book ever – “a little life”, I hated it so much that I haven’t stopped telling people how much I hated it. All 900 pages of it.

        • Kas

          Justin Cronin’s book, The Passage, is a great. It’s the first of a trilogy, but sadly the second two books are pretty ordinary.

        • Esha

          I am a thriller/sci-fi junkie as well. I recently read a pretty good thriller called The Lost Girls by Heather Young (initial pace is slow but it picks up about 20% in). The books that have stuck with me the most over the last year are both sci-fi: 1) Imperial Radch Series by Anne Leckie. If you can make it through the way she screws with gender pronouns it’s excellent. 2) The Seveneves. It is physics heavy, but once they get to the main event you wont be able to stop reading.

          • Leggy

            I’m going to check this out. I love sci-fi Recs cos gosh there are so many terrible ones out there that you have to sort through.

        • zulugal

          “a little life” left me so confused, I cried so much reading that book.I thought it was a good book but man!!! So sad. I could not even finish it, but I will someday.

          • Leggy

            I had a totally different reaction. I hated everybody in that book. The first time the main character tried to commit suicide I was incredible relieved and then pissed when he didn’t succeed. Everyone in that book around him were enablers. That doctor should have had him committed for his cutting, in real life he would have lost his license if someone found out he knew and did nothing. And then his best friend just suddenly becomes gay for him(that just came out of left field for me), and then all of them were so successful and world famous? Brah? How sway? What are the chances? I could go on and on. I hated this book.

    • StillSuga

      Side note, I’m about 3/4th done with The Mothers and I’m loving it. Thanks for the recommendation.

      • Leggy

        You’re welcome! I’m glad you’re enjoying it!

    • KeyBrad

      Me too!! Love Love Books!! I’m always reading two or three at a time.

    • LMNOP

      I’ve been trying to start a book club for a while, but haven’t really gotten any further than that. But it would actually be a lot of fun to develop a theme, like pretend you’re a professor developing a course and figure out which books are you going to include in it and why.

      • Nik White

        Wasn’t there talk about a VSB/VSS Book Club?

        • LMNOP

          I don’t know, that’s a great idea though.

          • pls

            I’d join!

    • Nik White

      My sistafriends and I read “Truth and Beauty”. I hadn’t heard of either of them previously but enjoyed the book…read some artlcles about them both.

  • HoobaStankyLeg

    Excellent read!

  • honeydip

    Among the beauty that is that syllabus, I have to say….that concealed weapon clause was jarring at best. This is what keeps me clear of the south.

    HURRAY FOR AFROFUTURISM and HORROR SCHOLARS <3

  • Val

    Reading Tananarive Due was my first exposure to the supernatural genre. Great interview. I’m going to look for the film Vamps.

    • Chinasa

      I LOVE Tananarive Due!!! Reread her African Immortal series many a times.

      • LMNOP

        *adds to reading list*

        I’m getting a nice, long reading list going, and I just got a heated mattress cover (which is even more amazing than it sounds) so I will survive the winter.

        • Nik White

          A heated mattress cover sounds like , “dang I “m last for work again” all winter.

      • Mary Burrell

        Those were good I enjoy her work I love horror.

      • Mary Burrell

        Now if the had a course for authors like Tananarive Due and Nisi Shawl and Brandon Massey. I love the horror genre I love the blog Graveyard Sisters.

        • Chinasa

          Will dig into those authors.
          After Due, I got into Octavia Butler, but she’s more sci Fi/ less horror I think….

          • Mary Burrell

            Yes that is true of Butter The Dark Matter Anthology Speculative Fiction from the African Diaspora is one I enjoyed.

    • Mary Burrell

      Tananarive Due is my favorite I have read all of her books.

      • Nik White

        I’ve only read two of hers and about 3 of Octavia Butlers (Parable of the Sower is my fav-o-rite).

  • NonyaB?

    Great post Panamayne bravo to prof. Brooks! Such a refreshing leave from all other fxcksh*t currently happening. I’m also with you on no-horror though. It works out as I rarely watch movies anyway but I made the mistake of watching Silence of the Lambs aeons ago and I’m still shook. With my imagination, I could give you a screenplay on those 2 shadows on the wall in 5 mins flat because I think they’re really alive and just playing dead in daytime.

    • Hibiscus???

      I don’t watch Nigerian horror movies-highly exaggerated, but nonetheless scary, because like you, I have a very ACTIVE imagination. Once though in college my girlfriends and I were watching a juju themed movie and I swear to the Almighty Jehovah, the lights in the movie went out as the witch came to haunt the people, and our lights went out at the same time. Coincidence. I think NOT! I nearly DIED from shock. It was three of us. I was in tears, the other 2 screaming their heads off.

      • Negro Libre

        You never watched Karishika?

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRK2lRdLalg

        • Hibiscus???

          No! No! No! I don’t watch such movies.

          • Negro Libre

            A Naija woman who hasn’t watched Karishika. So many missed jokes opportunities. So what, only “husband-snatcher themed” movies then?

            • NonyaB?

              Haven’t watched it either. Nollywood has advanced so much there are tons of alternative story themes now. Coincidentally, Lagos was this year’s featured city at TIFF (movie festival) and 8 movies were screened.

      • NonyaB?

        I’m bent over laughing now but I woulda been shook right up with y’all! I enjoy naija movies but tend to steer clear of jujurific ones.

        • Hibiscus???

          Giiiiiiirl, them Naija movies be demonic as phakk.

      • Chinasa

        Yo, you ever watch “Nneka- The Pretty Serpent”? Nollywood Classic!
        Traumatized me as a child. This is why I denounce my middle name with all my heart.
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCbfzQ-aWhc

      • Blueberry01

        Although this is cute, I was a little concerned when he says, “Juju on that beat” ?

        https://instagram.com/p/BLjEPjfAjhr/

    • Tambra

      When I was in secondary school I devoured all the books that my school had on West Indian authors. Started off with the compulsory literature book ” A cow call boy” and then moved from there. My favourite book was an anthology of Caribbean horror stories, I probably borrowed that book about 5 times that year. But again I read the exorcise at age 12 and was properly scared, and reread it years later. Shock effect was still there.

      • Mary Burrell

        I like stories about Duppies.

        • Tambra

          Still do. That is why I am not impressed with a lot of the horrors they have.

      • NonyaB?

        Chile, you read what?! Words like “horror” and “excorcist” would have been my cues to fling such books far, far away! Still remember the shookness from reading House of Usher (Edgar Allan Poe).

        • Tambra

          Yep I did. I am weird like that. From time to time I would still pull out an old lit book, My Bones, My Flute and read it. Book scared the shid out of me, but I still go back.

        • Mary Burrell

          You are a chicken the House of Usher Edgar Allen Poe and his Raven are my favorites.

          • NonyaB?

            Hah! I prefer the term “fertile imagination”. Can’t help it if my mind makes everything come alive when it engages books and reads them to me.?

            • Mary Burrell

              I love that it’s just so much fun.

        • Namia

          I read “The Beast with in” and had to place it under my bed for I was too scared to put it on the bedside table!!

          • NonyaB?

            LOL, your imagination/scaredy-catness is next level!

      • Mary Burrell

        Nalo Hopkins from the Caribbean that’s how I enjoyed reading about duppies.

        • Tambra

          A friend of mine did her MPhil thesis on Nalo Hopkinson. Duppies are much a part of us, as West Indians. Reverence for the dead though funeral traditions are changing, for example, people are no longer really keeping us the 9 nights and 40 days celebrations and are opting for the repas instead.

          • Mary Burrell

            Interesting

            • Tambra

              Yeah, when someone died, for nine days after that death, every night people would come and visit. Lots of liquor and story telling. The 40 day came after the funeral, and that was more religious often lead by Spiritual Baptists, and that took place whether you were Spiritual Baptist or not. But now, it is often the repas, and I hate those things.

              • Mary Burrell

                That sounds fascinating Caribbean folklore well all folklore from all over the world is fascinating to me.

                • LMNOP

                  Me too.

                • Tambra

                  It is . Our folklore is often a syncretism of Christianity and African spiritualism. The spiritual Baptists or Soca baptist are a religious grouping, Afro Christian, like Santeria and like the folk lore became a face of resistance to the power structure that existed within the islands.
                  http://www.raceandhistory.com/historicalviews/africanspirit.htm

      • Mary Burrell

        I read the paper back novel The Exorcist at 12 years old bought it with my allowance money from the supermarket that was my Summer read back then

        • Tambra

          My copy got quite tattered, but sleeping on books does that too. I found it on the book shelf and that was all I needed.

  • Reading the syllabus this seems like a very interesting class. If I lived in San Antonio I’d try to sneak in a couple times to listen in. I love how full and expansive Dr. Brooks answers were to every question.

    Off-Topic: Panama, AP is going to be DC next week for Homecoming.

    • panamajackson

      Her answers were great.

      Regarding Homecoming, word? whats the 411?

      • I know she’s going to the Blacksonian like Thursday and the weekend is just homecoming festivities

  • StillSuga

    This was a great post. Definitely was intimidated by the syllabus but I do plan to check out the readings!

  • cyanic

    The best horror movies usually are unclassified in that genre. Safe (1995) is a Todd Hayes movie starring Julianne Moore as a woman overwhelmed with environmental concerns. She believes the exposure we have to toxic chemicals in daily life are killing us. And in her case making her incredibly weak. She seeks out a support group of other concern and possibly paranoid persons. Who all are experiencing discomfort about chemical exposure. You’ll be freaked and paranoid yourself by the end of the movie because their concerns are valid to our present day. Especially now that most of our food has been chemically altered.

    Silkwood (1983) also freaked me out. Despite being a biopic on a whistle blower who was possibly murdered. And Spike Lee’s Bamboozled (2000) should be seen more as a horror film than a darkly comic satire.

  • I’ll definitely share this with a relative who was a professor in Africana Studies who specialized in research contemporary African-American culture. I’d love to hear his thoughts because I know this ain’t my lane.

    Also, shouts to the male students doing the work in this class. I remember back when I took Women’s Studies at Rutgers that there was a clique of 9 of us who used to team up and hard-body the work. Plus being a gender minority forced me to have my game a bit tighter. I salute those dudes for doing their thing.

    • Brooklyn_Bruin

      Gender minority, nice

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