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Insecure Season 2 Episode 1 Recap: “Hella Great”

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For months, fans of Insecure have been wondering where things were going to pick up after last season concluded with Lawrence giving Tasha that work in an effort to get over Issa’s dalliance with her sideboo, Daniel. Last night, that itch was finally scratched with the premiere of season two (“Hella Great”), which picks up a couple of months after Issa and Lawrence’s explosive breakup.

The gang’s all here. Issa is swiping her way through single life, going out with all the guys she meets through Hinge, Bumble and whatever other dating app is available to download and ruin dreams. We see Molly decided to take some of Issa’s advice from last season, going to therapy. And Lawrence came back just the way we last saw him: having the sex with Tasha from behind, but only Friday through Sunday. The rest of the week Lawrence is sleeping on an air mattress at his boy Chad’s place while he looks for a new spot of his own.

While some people would describe Lawrence as homeless for what he’s doing, I prefer to say he’s rebounding from a broken heart. He never had a plan B because he never thought he’d come home one day and be told by Issa that she decided to knock boots with another man. Now Lawrence is trying to figure it all out and yes, using people to help him do so. Chad points this out to him when he applauds Lawrence for continuing to treat Tasha like a sidepiece because he only sees her on the weekends and he has yet to take her out anywhere that has cloth napkins.

Issa, meanwhile, is trying her best to get over Lawrence or get him back depending on the day. When Molly reminds Issa that every guy wants to come back when they see an ex doing better (a word of truth indeed), and she comes home to see Lawrence has been given a jury duty summons, Operation-Get-Bae-Back begins to get in formation. Issa will throw a plus-one “wine down,” which is a bougie way of asking people to come over and drink this alcohol. At the same time, she will tell Lawrence to come through to pick up his summons (and other shit) with the hopes that he comes over during her party. The idea is that when Lawrence sees Issa on her hosting grind, glowed up, of course he’s going to want her back.

But the entire plan turns into a disaster. While Lawrence initially agrees to come over to pick up his mail, he ends up curving Issa instead, telling her to mail it to him. Unbeknownst to Issa, Lawrence flaked because he finally decides to take Tasha out on a proper date (proof he hasn’t gone full savage yet). As for Issa’s wine down, it morphs into a turn-up when her Blood-affiliated neighbors crash the party and a small fire breaks out in her trash can. Who among us couldn’t help but see that moment as metaphor for Issa’s dating life?

The long-awaited reunion between Issa and Lawrence ends up happening the day after the party when Lawrence decides to see if Issa is home to get his mail. This served as a reminder of just how good Insecure is at depicting these small but explosive moments in a relationship. That first mail exchange after two people are broken up and living in separate homes is loaded with anxiety. The first time my ex came over to pick up her mail, I did as many pushups as I could before the doorbell rang and answered the door looking like all of my shirts and pants were in the laundry.

What ensues is something that will hit very close to home for anybody who sees the person they used to see everyday for the first time in a long time. Lawrence starts with the Oh-I-left-something-in-the-bathroom move, which he’s doing to let the sexual tension between them bubble a little bit more (it’s not hot enough yet!), then, just as he’s about to exit, he does a Steph Curry-like spin move back to Issa and goes in for a passionate kiss. The two of them end up on the couch for a breakup quickie and when I say a quickie I do mean just that. I counted Issa getting less than 25 strokes from Lawrence before he finishes up, goes back into the bathroom to use one of their towels to wash himself off, and then kisses her goodbye on the cheek, like she’s the homie. That’s how breakup sex often is: Quick, spontaneous, and confusing.

The episode ends with both Issa and Lawrence looking uncomfortable with their new reality as exes, but leaving plenty of room for a bunch of different scenarios to play out going into the rest of the season. There’s also the peripheral characters with storylines that have plenty of juice: Molly seems to be less focused on guys and more focused on getting paid at her office like a white man. Meanwhile Tasha looks like she’s going to be around to call Lawrence zaddy for a while. 

Jozen Cummings

Jozen Cummings is the author and creator of the popular relationship blog Until I Get Married, which is currently in development for a television series with Warner Bros. He hosts a weekly podcast with WNYC about Empire called the Empire Afterparty and he works at Twitter as an editorial associate. He lives in Harlem, graduated from Howard University, and grew up in Seaside, California. He cannot get you a blue check.

  • Val

    Nope. Not gonna read this or the comments. I’m waiting patiently to binge on Insecure when the season is over.

    http://2982-presscdn-29-70.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/lalalalala.gif

    • cysinblack

      Boo. Kick rocks. Wet blanket.

    • YeaSoh

      But why, Val?? You’re missing out on along discussion each week

      • Val

        But I’m going to enjoy sitting down one weekend in a few months and binging. :-)

    • siante

      I do the same thing lol- My feelings get so hurt when I have to wait for the next episode……….. & the next………and the next.

  • Rewind4ThatBehind

    I like the fact that the episode damn near reversed most of the greasy sh*t from the season finale last year, and left two options: women hating Lawrence for being a blatant thot, and men shrugging their shoulders and saying “I don’t see the problem”.

    Junegirl said it downthread, hurt people hurt people. Especially if after a break up, you just go wherever the h e l l attention is calling your name. It gets messy fast.

    HOWEVER…..IT IS EPISODE ONE.

    Wait for the other episodes!

    I love that this show triggers so much fuckshit in all of us, because we’ve all been there. Bringing mail to the ex. Awkward conversation. Unexpected s e x. The hasteful exit because now it’s way too weird. This sh*t is scary.

    But…it’s also human. It’s a reminder of the younger years when none of us knew what we were doing. A reminder to watch yourself. Even a lighter can burn a bridge.

    (Also, Tasha about to get done greasy and I don’t like it, BUT….everybody gets their comeupins. Issa, Lawrence, Tasha….all fucked up, all gonna get what’s coming to them)

    • You’re right about Tasha. I don’t see how this ends well for her at ALL. She didn’t really do anything wrong other than flirt with a cute guy at work, but she’s gonna get it with no Vaseline.

      • Rewind4ThatBehind

        Nah she hollered at a dude in a relationship and kept coming for him even though she knew it until she got her mans.

        Which means she’s one Maury episode away from being the statistic that she set herself up to be.

        • LadySiriboe

          And Lawrence didn’t pursue her then!!! Clap for a gentleman! But miss thing thang…..

          • SororSalsa

            When it didn’t work the first time, she just turned the thot on stronger. You lose em how you get em….I don’t feel bad for Tasha at all. You take a chance when you decide to be the rebound girl. But I think this isn’t going to turn out well for Lawrence either, because when he decides he’s f*cked Issa out of his system and is ready to move on, Tasha is not going to let go so easily.

            • LadySiriboe

              Me no care.

            • MsCee

              So y’all don’t think Lawrence and Tasha will be a thing?

              • SororSalsa

                A temporary thing, sure. But Lawrence is obviously trying the “get over your old girl by getting behind a new one” technique of moving on, and since he only decided to treat Tasha as more than a hit it & quit it girl after his boy Chad pointed out his feckboyness, I don’t think it will be anything more.

                • MsCee

                  I think it may develop but who knows?

              • FarbissinaPunim

                Nope.

        • That’s why I’m waiting to find out how they’re going to square that circle. It’ll be fun to watch.

        • Freebird

          If anything Lawrence is wack for entertaining it but Tasha owes Had a and the relationship nothing.

          • Rewind4ThatBehind

            Perhaps but when you get no love at home, any attention helps, despite the fact that he was blocking her regardless.

      • tgtaggie

        I agree. She’s going to get hurt. Either she ends up hurt and pregnant or just hurt.

        Lawerance seems like the type to believe his pull out game is strong when it’s not

    • Lee Laurie

      yep

    • Furious Styles

      Tasha’s trying so hard to be the cool girl. That dam will burst.

    • MsCee

      Man. All facts. I remember being on the rebound and dating a dude on the rebound too. It was all fun and games until pillow talk happened and feelings were caught. Not a fun situation for either party. 4 years later and it’s too much hurt for us to even speak smh.

  • I can’t wait to catch up on the show. That Tasha Zaddy thing reminds of the time I nearly bust out in a full belly laugh mid-cunnilingus when a woman straight up moaned “Oh Papi, I didn’t know you could do it like that!” But yes, this sounds like fun…and interesting. And can i say I’m here for Lawrence embracing his inner savage? It sounds like motivation for him to get right. And I may or may not see parallels to his behavior in my own life.

    • Queen@

      I just laughed out loud. I used Papi recently…. LOL

      • Rewind4ThatBehind

        YOU GOT SOME YAMS?

        Ma’am.

        Start talking.

        • Queen@

          Last weekend. This weekend my plan didn’t pan out out as planned. I def feel some type of way about it, but I can’t get in my feels about that….

          Can I?

          I’m tryna figure out if/how to communicate that without sound dickmatized.

          There is always back up d!@K, but it’s not quite the same at this point.

          • LadySiriboe

            Baby all I’m going to say is get good dyck but have it tested, you don’t want a these are my confessions, let it buuuuuurn, let it buuuurn!!!!

          • miss t-lee

            Tell him if he can’t keep appointments he’s out.

            • Queen@

              See… we did go out and had a GREAT time. But then, after a lil make out, we we went our separate ways. I def had different plans in min.d. I normally would open my mouth, like last weekend, but this weekend I didn’t want to be the one to make the move. I laid out the entire play for him to alley hoop. No move was made and I went home to lil rabbit. Lol

              Is this what guys feel like? Lol

              • miss t-lee

                “Is this what guys feel like? Lol”

                I’m not sure…lol
                However, ball is in your court. If he can’t keep plans, that’s unattractive. Even if he is just dyck.
                Your time is just as valuable as his.

                • Queen@

                  I think you are missing what I’m saying. Every date, at least once a week (twice in some instances) for the last 8 weeks have been kept. It’s the after date play I was waiting on. Lol

                  • miss t-lee

                    ahhhhhhh. Yeah, I missed that part.
                    So…when are you asking?

                    • Queen@

                      It is Tequila Monday… so maybe today. Lol

                    • miss t-lee

                      That’s the spirit!!!!

                      Closed mouths don’t get…well you know.

                      *cackling*

              • NonyaB?

                Maybe he’s waiting on you to give the explicit greenlight. So, if you’re ready, then let him know!

                • miss t-lee

                  Yeah, that’s what I’m thinking, too.

                  • NonyaB?

                    I mean, I ain’t finna primp for a dessert session only to let the sundae slip out the door!

                    • Queen@

                      Yeah… that’s what I was thinking on that lonely dry drive home. I picked a spot close to him, dropped hints, all week, teased night… and nothing. And I’m normally one to say something. Really this time I was thinking, “the ball is in his court.”

                      But we were in different stadiums. Lol

                    • miss t-lee

                      Always be closing.

                    • Sigma_Since 93

                      *Daps for the Boiler Room reference*

                    • miss t-lee

                      It’s a fave.

                    • Sigma_Since 93

                      That movie killed my career. After that movie, I was like a leper looking for money in all the wrong places. LOL

                    • miss t-lee

                      Oh heyll…lol
                      I worked in a call center during that time. We kinda used that movie as motivation for our commissions…lol

    • LadySiriboe

      Bye Todd.

    • cysinblack

      I watched a scene where the brother eating pastrami winked at his scene partner and I wanted to finish right then and there. But his winking synced with the music of the scene.

    • Sigma_Since 93

      you got an Aye Papi!!!! Hott Toddin at it’s finest!

    • Brother Mouzone

      Humble brag much? Lol…I kid, I kid.

      • miss t-lee

        Todd don’t know how to do humblebragging…lol

  • Mr. Quojo

    Insecure is a great show that express perfectly why People need to learn how to Communiate before they Consummate.

    Side note everytime I watch this show I feel like I’m back at homecomming cathing up with my folks from college.

    Side Side note: Was that Show “Due North” a dig at HBO’s confederacy crap they got going on?

    • Furious Styles

      “Insecure is a great show that express perfectly why People need to learn how to Communiate before they Consummate.”

      You said a word, bruh. Non-communication & wishful thinking are the Tigris & Euphrates of relationship drama.

      • Mr. Quojo

        Lol @ the Tigris and the Euphrates. #nohotep

    • eyecande

      I don’t think they would’ve known about the Confederate show when they wrote it. I heard it was supposed to be a s/o to Underground lol. (I love Regina Hall.)

      • tgtaggie

        I lol’ when she put the arsenic drops in the white woman drink behind her back

      • Amanda Khiri

        I thought it was the Drunk History with Crissle.

      • SororSalsa

        I cracked up when Chad was watching it. I love that we’re seeing more of him this season. He is truly the messy male friend.

        • eyecande

          Honestly. Truly. Lol. They’re keeping it ?

  • awwwwwww snap a Jozen Post!!!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hiUuL5uTKc

    • *heads to the corner for being a jerk*

  • Geechi_Luciano

    Only thing I want to discuss if why Lawrence went raw dog and didn’t pull out on his ex…. everything all good thing he gets the “I’m late… can we talk?” text

    • LadySiriboe

      Maybe his on his Usher tip, no?

    • YeaSoh

      They were together for several years I’m sure he knows she’s on bc

      • cysinblack

        An oops baby can come from this. A plot line to drive everyone mad on social media.

        • YeaSoh

          Nahhhh, maybe with Tasha

          • cysinblack

            Then it’s The Game all over again.

            • YeaSoh

              But that happens all the time. The rebound chick gets preggers

              • cysinblack

                Eww. I hope they avoid it or she miscarries.

      • Geechi_Luciano

        you’re making an assumption she’s on it and actively taking it PLUS they broke up 2 months ago… you dont know what has happened in between that time

        • YeaSoh

          Seriously? This chick is dating again and she’s not a bird. She’s on bc or he definitely would have pulled out first in the least.

          • Geechi_Luciano

            you DO know you can still get pregnant even when on bc right?

            • YeaSoh

              You DO know can still get pregnant even when using a condom right? Like what is your point?

              • Geechi_Luciano

                troll elsewhere please.

                • YeaSoh

                  Lol. Cute. You don’t know what your point is so now I’m a troll. Smh.

          • Deeds

            Ehh, If she’s dating again then it would make more sense to use condoms and not BC, because BC doesn’t protect against STD’s, which you’ll need protection from as well when dating multiple people.

            • YeaSoh

              You can use condoms and be on bc

    • cysinblack

      His feelings are still there but he’s hurt as F.

    • Quirlygirly

      There are many women who dont want to type up that text too

    • Queen@

      One of my grips with the show is there aren’t any safe chex messages. From the looks of it, everyone is hitting it raw. Even Molly when she was in Malibu.

      • siante

        All the raw love should make for a good “Insecure at the Clinic” episode in the future.

      • Dougie

        The show is mad real. Honestly, there’s way too much raw dogging in the Black community. Especially the educated Black community. This, and literally everything else in the show, is just a reflection of that.

  • Thomas Bernard

    I see a lot of #lawrencehive in the comments, but I feel like many of you guys (and men-oriented “ladies”) are giving Lawrence too much benefit JUST because he got cheated on. While in some instances that cliche ” there’s no excuse for cheating” may be true, Issa and Lawrence’s situation, I see why it happened. When you’ve built a person up for some many years, taking care of them, and hoping they’ll take the initiative to be great (because you see the potential in them) for years and they just idle through life, you’d grow tired too.

    I do blame Issa for not communicating her feelings, but what MAN doesn’t know he’s being a bum WHILE HE’S BEING A BUM. He had a hand in her cheating. As much as we like to make things black and white, let’s be real. People can be driven to do anything…cheating included. The things that drive them vary and range from petty to serious.

    I’m hoping Issa does some soul searching, grows from this experience, and finds a man who is TIMELY and emotionally invested in the relationship with her. Time is valuable. Trying to grow something with someone who only acts when you’re thinking about leaving is a waste time.

    • Queen@

      It was’t years. Law lost his jobs and his way for a few months. He was getting unemployment (so it couldn’t have been that long). Many women wanna give Issa a pass because they can’t grasp that she did some fuckboi ish.

      • Thomas Bernard

        Regardless of the time, he was sitting around not doing anything…waiting for a glow up instead of making it happen. I’m a man giving her a pass since I see why she did it. You mean fuckboi ish like using a woman to get over another woman or using a woman for place to stay on the weekend/to change up the scenery because your crashing at a buddy’s place? They’re both guilty of that stuff if that’s the case.

        • Queen@

          Fuckboi ish = cheating on your significant other becuase “you got caught up in the moment.” Yo have to remember she cheated AFTER Law got his ducks in a row. … AFTER. And even if it was in his “during stage” she was still wrong.

          • Thomas Bernard

            She’s guilty of it…just as he. For some reason, people can’t see the flaws in Lawrence but readily point out Issa’s. They’re both flawed and both guilty of doing fuckboi ish.

          • Word. Being mad at a dude isn’t right either, but at least it makes sense. It’s dumb to ask someone to get right, have them get right, THEN punish them for having to be told.

            • Sigma_Since 93

              I think getting right is a bad choice of words despite me using it as well. In Law’s mind, he was doing right; knowing his worth and holding out the job he wanted if he couldn’t self finance his aspirations. He modified his behavior, slightly, when he found out his girl didn’t quite share all of his vision.

          • Question

            Wait… ducks in a row?! Isn’t that a bit of an overstatement…?

      • Sweet Potato Kai ?

        Exactly! Issa wanted to smash Daniel, period.

        • Thomas Bernard

          I’m glad she did actually…it’s an situation/obstacle she doesn’t have to overthink or worry about anymore.

        • YeaSoh

          What I can’t decide is if she would have smashed Daniel while also being happy with Lawrence the whole time.

          • Sweet Potato Kai ?

            That’s a hard one (no pun intended). If he was outta sight, outta mind, then probably. But he kept kept popping up, looking like a snack.

            • YeaSoh

              Those “what if” niqqas are never timely – always popping up when you got a good thing going ugh

              • Queen@

                He popped up with all the good memories… those “remember whens…” And everyone is missing he swerved her when she dropped him off ONLY to come back once she was moving back on with Law (at that charity party).

                Ninja… remember when you tried me. Issa no for me. Lol

              • Sweet Potato Kai ?

                All??the??time??!
                Fuck.

              • MsCee

                Had to block my what if. Me saying no to that man is as likely as Trump saying no to a bill that hurts Blacks. Not gonna happen.

            • Lol @ u

      • Junegirl627

        I’m not giving her a pass. I think its up to them if they work it out or move on. it becomes wrong when you know the ex wants to get back together and you know that you just smashing. He loved her enough to start looking at engagement rings love both of you enough not to string her along.

        • Thomas Bernard

          Many of the posters can’t see Lawrence as a flawed person because he got cheated on. In their book, he can now do wrong because of that.

          • Well, that’s pretty right. So long as he isn’t threatening her life, liberty or property (and no one is saying that), he’s a free man. His consideration of her feelings ended when he stepped out the door after she cheated. Whatever Issa feels after that ain’t his problem. She didn’t care about him after she cheated, right?

          • Junegirl627

            And that’s not true. Shitp happens that doesn’t mean we get to shitp on everybody because of it.

            • Thomas Bernard

              Exactly!

        • Question

          But not enough to be able to afford where he lives?! Like why is you looking at rings with no income…?! See, no.

        • MsCee

          Exactly the reason I stopped chexing my ex. He got all emo afterwards and even posted pics of me sleeping on fb.

      • SororSalsa

        I don’t get the feeling that it was only a few months. IIRC, it had been like 3/4 years since Lawrence had a job. He was supposed to be working on his app, but I don’t think he was really doing that either when the show started in S1. Doesn’t excuse Issa’s cheating, but Lawrence really was being a bum at that point.

      • Dougie

        Exactly! he also still had savings from what I believe was seed money for his business that didn’t work out. She is working at a non-profit, and clearly near the bottom. No shade about that because it’s admirable, but in reality Lawrence was probably the one holding her up for years before his business failed. He was depressed when we first met him last season.

        Also, he still drives a jag. Does anyone know how expensive Jaguar oil changes are? He clearly had some type of bread.

    • Sigma_Since 93

      “When you’ve built a person up for some many years, taking care of them, and hoping they’ll take the initiative to be great (because you see the potential in them) for years and they just idle through life, you’d grow tired too.”

      Throws BS flag on the play.
      Law did what we tell folks, especially women, to do…know your worth. Issa was mad that Law wasn’t jumping at jobs that seemed ok to her while complain about her job to her girls (and probably Law too) for years. Law took the Best Buy job to show he heard her concerns.
      The whole grass is greener on the other side mess with Issa got her caught up and caused her to lose her man. Law could have been a two comma ninja and the curiosity between her and Daniel would still be there.

      • Thomas Bernard

        If he knew his worth, he wouldn’t be jumping in a situationship with Tasha, a woman who knowingly pursued him while he was already in a relationship. Lawrence’s worth isn’t even consistent.

        • Queen@

          He not trying to wife Tasha though. He is giving her the d without leading her on. How is that not knowing his worth? Every person you date or have chexual activities with isn’t your “happily ever after” nor do people want them to be.

          • Thomas Bernard

            Who said anything about him wifing Tasha? It’s a situationship because he doesn’t know what he wants. He’s going through the motions because she’s there and willing.

          • Thomas Bernard

            Who said anything about him wifing Tasha? It’s a situationship because he
            doesn’t know what he wants. He’s going through the motions because she’s
            there and willing. He doesn’t know his worth because if he did he’d be
            out looking for a match that is on his level instead of entertaining
            those who aren’t.

            I didn’t know using a woman for s+x is a sign of “good” dudes knowing their worth. The things you learn.

            • Sigma_Since 93

              You talk about communication or the lack thereof. Law has said the situation with Tasha is a no pressure situation aka FWB. If she wasn’t with it, he still wouldn’t be smashing or we’ll see him engage in shady behavior to continue to smash.

              • Thomas Bernard

                What does that have to do with my post? My reply wasn’t about communication but his self worth.

              • Thomas Bernard

                What does that have to do with my post? My reply wasn’t about communication but his self worth. Him communicating his intents doesn’t erase anything.Like I stated in another post, I didn’t know using a woman for s+x was something “good” guys do.

            • Queen@

              But you acting like Tasha isn’t in it for the D. He isn’t using her for chex (maybe a place to lay his head on the weekend), but she wanted the D badly.

              You are making the assumption that he wants to be looking for something more, when his actions show differently.

              And you are saying Tasha isn’t on his level? If he ain’t ish like you think, what level is she on? And why are you putting her there? Her job? Mannerism? Speech? I’m curious.

              • Thomas Bernard

                “You are making the assumption that he wants to be looking for something more, when his actions show differently.”

                ^^I didn’t make that assumption. Sigma brought up his worth, and I was addressing that. Read my replies with that in mind. I didn’t bring up that Lawrence should be looking for something more with anyone initially.

              • Question

                Wait… so Tasha doesn’t want to be in a relationship with Lawrence?! She’s cool with the occasional smash being the best she’s gonna get…?!

          • Sweet Potato Kai ?

            This right here! He even said, they’re just having fun.

          • Question

            Apparently he isn’t trying to wife Issa either… not seriously. And that’s the bigger point IMO.

          • SororSalsa

            True, but Lawrence doesn’t seem like he’s comfortable just slinging the d, especially when Chad pointed it out to him. Lawrence still thinks of himself as the “Nice Guy”.

      • Question

        Curiosity and acting on said curiousity are two different things. And taking the Best Buy job because he heard my concerns – where tf is your (Lawrence) pride as a man?!

        You take the Best Buy job as a last resort to handle your responsibilities not to show me you heard me. Because time is the major commodity and an hourly job with a set schedule doesn’t jive with the entrepreneurial dream…

    • LadySiriboe

      Nonsense! He had a hand in her cheating, my foot! Was he there to open her legs ? Was he there encouraging her to emotionally get involved with dude?

      She was fed up with him being a bum. She should have spoke up or ended the relationship. If the shoe were on the other side, trust me!

      And I don’t know what a man oriented woman is.

      • Thomas Bernard

        It’s nonsense you and every other pretender. I’m realistic. I also addressed Issa’s lack of communication…we’re done here.

        • LadySiriboe

          Pretending what exactly. Abeg.

          • Thomas Bernard

            That people can’t be driven to cheat, especially spontaneously.

            • LadySiriboe

              They can also spontaneously decide not to.

              • Thomas Bernard

                Agreed

      • siante

        people out here defending indecency

        • Thomas Bernard

          indecency…which is subjective.

          • siante

            the definition of “cheating” is: to act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage.

            If you can find any decency in that definition please let me know lol-

            • Thomas Bernard

              You’re talking about cheating when it’s regarding relationships (informal) not the literal form. Additionally, the definition of cheating varies depending on the relationship.

          • miss t-lee

            Is it?

            • Question

              In dating? Totally.

              • miss t-lee

                We’ll have to disagree.

                • Question

                  That’s cool.

        • People defend it all of the time. Depending on the party some sort of honor will try to be ascribed to infidelity.

          • siante

            honor or even worse…..”victimhood”

        • LadySiriboe

          *rolls eyes*!

        • Question

          But the decency of living off a woman you intend to marry while turning down good paying work for a dream you aren’t actively pursuing…?!

          Not saying that the two indecencies are equal but I agree that folks can’t see how wack Lawrence is because he got cheated on.

          • Thomas Bernard

            We all know if Issa hadn’t cheated Lawrence would not be the poster boy for “good” guys, but fvckbois. Lol. As a character Lawrence is just as flawed as Issa. But people can’t see that because Issa cheated. Most of the men and men-oriented women on this post can’t believe Issa had the nerve to hurt his pride. Pride he didn’t even have.

            • Question

              I’m with this. She wrote him perfectly because he is flawed. I dunno if fckbois is the right label for him but he’s definitely whack.

              • SororSalsa

                And some folks are downplaying this by saying he just “got lost” for a few months like Tasha did in the electronics section of Best Buy. Lawrence was living off Issa. I think Lawrence started off with a plan to build an app, and when he wasn’t successful initially, he lost his drive and started to get lazy. He probably wasn’t putting in his part financially or emotionally.

          • MsSula

            He was NOT living off her!!! Y’all need to pay attention. He was handling his side of the bill paying(reason why Issa is so broke now). So miss me with this living off of.

            • Question

              So the spot was in his name and he moved out of it…?

              • MsSula

                They had both their names on the lease most likely. He has moved out of it because HE IS HURT and he is the one who wants to remove himself from the situation. Simple as that.

                • Question

                  Most likely = a guess.

                  Yes, Lawrence got cheated on and had every right to be hurt. He’s also wack af.

                  • MsSula

                    We will agree to disagree.

    • siante

      There’s never an excuse for cheating.

      • Thomas Bernard

        In a utopic world…yes. In the reality of 2017, there is, or it wouldn’t be happening.

        • siante

          There will always be immorality. This is nothing new, but to say somebody “drove” you to cheat is placing blame & that’s not reality- that’s delusion & an unwillingness to take responsibility.

          • Thomas Bernard

            Placing blame is reality. We actually appoint judges to do that very thing.

            • siante
              • He seems to be on his White Knight steez.

                • Thomas Bernard

                  I’m on my think like an individual steez.

                  • Reemo

                    You’re pandering up and down this comment section. Rock out though.

                    • Thomas Bernard

                      I didn’t know that responding to posts on my comment was pandering. I’ve only responded to comments on the thread I started. Where are you getting this “up and down the comment section?” There seems to be a lot of people on this post who really can’t deal with someone not having the same opinion as the masses.

                • Question

                  I look at it a little differently – rock with me for a second.

                  I was raised “single until married” (and when I lived this advice from my Dad, dating got a LOT better for me – beside the point). As a parent, I’d be way more disappointed in one of my daughters staying with Lawrence than cheating on him. People put way to much stock in dating, particularly women. Yea, she cheated. #shrug. They’ll decide if they wanna mutually work it out.

                  But Lawrence? Man! Where is his pride??

                  • OK, I get what you’re selling. I think I’m all the way in my “that broad cheated!” feelings to see that. I still would wonder why she’d keep someone like that around. Like roll out and move on. Why go through the shenanigans of cheating?

              • Thomas Bernard

                I’m pointing it out. I’m tired of everyone posting from one POV. Anyone who’s been cheated on or who is sympathetic can see things from Lawrence’s POV. After watching Issa Rae’s interviews, she wants people to see how real relationships can be and to understand every angle. I’m stepping out my comfort zone to see it from Issa’s (character) POV. My overall opinion is they’re both flawed and to blame for the downfall of their relationship. While cheating is big…in the relationship being depicted in Insecure it was a consequence and starting point. There were reasons it happened. I understand that…doesn’t make it wrong or right.

                • Rewind4ThatBehind

                  This outlook is appreciated but

                  1) Most people do not look at problems from all angles
                  2) However you present your point, you have to properly word it so all angles can be seen.

                  You said exactly what I’m thinking and I get your motivation but you got to know your audience. Most people here are going to pick one side only while mildly admit both characters are wrong. The issue isn’t about right or wrong though. It’s about how emotionally connected we are to actions we are seeing portrayed and how severely damaging they can be to our opinions.

                  • Simms~

                    Agreed! It’s all about our own emotional attachment to the actions that we’re going to feel some way about the characters.

                  • Thomas Bernard

                    I didn’t post for the approval of others. I posted to share my view on the POV that isn’t being considered. I disagree with your second point. It’s the prerogative of the poster. In my case, Lawrence’s POV has been presented (to death). I felt like sharing the other side that way I view it. I’m open to discuss, but I don’t waver when it comes to my opinion, even when it’s unfavorable.

                  • Question

                    But this is a situation where we are 3rd parties so if isn’t hard to look at it from all angles UNLESS one angle hits more close to home than the other. Which is exactly what Writer Issa has done.

                  • SororSalsa

                    And many many people have a dirty lens on this because they’ve been cheated on. And if that’s happened to you, it’s probably going to be hard to find any fault with the cheatee.

                • I get that Lawrence isn’t perfect. He didn’t pay that much attention to Issa during the first season, and he could have figured out a better way to get his hustle on while couch surfing and getting Issa mediocre backshots after a long day of unemployment. How, Issa is the one that burned the bridge. Once you cross a certain line, you can never go back. That isn’t a man versus woman thing. That’s a life thing. If Lawrence was the guilty one, I’d tell him the same thing.

                  • Thomas Bernard

                    In my opinion, they both are guilty. No one really came out a winner. Issa was wrong for cheating and not communicating her feelings, and Lawrence was wrong for being an entitled bum.

        • HouseSublime

          The “excuse” is being a selfish person. If you are with someone but want to be with someone else you break up

          • Thomas Bernard

            We’re all selfish at times…even in a relationship. I agree with your second sentence, but it’s too bad that many people don’t choose to do it.

          • Question

            If you are with someone and know what they want but aren’t willing to do that, shouldn’t you also break up?!

            I think that’s the duality Issa was trying to get at…

            She literally flucked someone else. But Lawrence has been doing the string-along fluck for a minute.

            • MsSula

              Did you watch the first season at all?

              • Question

                Yea, watched the entire thing about 3 months ago. Why?

                • MsSula

                  Because some of your comments seem to be missing a lot of things inferred in last season.

                  • Question

                    Or maybe I don’t perceive things the way you do, which is cool too. Or maybe I’m trying to see how both people contribute to a fcked up situation rather than saying blame lies solely on one person, cuz it is a tv show and Writer Issa didn’t craft this scenario on accident…

      • Question

        In dating or in marriage? In dating who cares… it’s a trial and they both failed on many accounts.

        IMO People put too much stock in dating relationships but that’s a separate topic…

        • conlakappa

          They were actually living together so it feels a bit more than just dating. It was messy.

          • Question

            A bit more than dating but not marriage. What is that?!

            • conlakappa

              For many people, living together is the final step towards marriage, for some 3+ decades. Even online couples I know. But it’s a new world so maybe it’s not. /shrugs

        • siante

          In any committed relationship.

        • YeaSoh

          Agreed 100%

    • He had a hand in her cheating

      no matter what role a man or woman plays in a relationship…

      someone who cheats…chose to cheat.

      • Thomas Bernard

        Where did I say they didn’t?

        • i peeped what you wrote, and i inferred from these three points my opinion:

          1.

          but I feel like many of you guys (and men-oriented “ladies”) are giving Lawrence too much benefit JUST because he got cheated on.

          2.

          her feelings, but what MAN doesn’t know he’s being a bum WHILE HE’S BEING A BUM. He had a hand in her cheating.

          3.

          Trying to grow something with someone who only acts when you’re thinking about leaving is a waste of time.

          your words come off (to me) as if you’re trying to pin this on Lawrence. if that is your intent, cool. if that is not your intent, cool.

          (side note: just a question, is it bothersome that people are sticking up for a guy? i just realized your “men-oriented ‘ladies’ ” phrasing, that sounded interesting and rather unique to this blog)

          • Thomas Bernard

            I’m pinning it on them both actually (Issa and Lawrence).

      • someone who cheats…chose to cheat.

        Basically.

  • PDL….HE still working on me

    Bleh, I don’t watch

  • Brother Mouzone

    Since they got renewed for another season, I wonder how long before she has to pay back the Hollywood (wydude)reward system for sistas who have lead roles in their own show or movie.

    • YeaSoh

      Do explain

      • cysinblack

        Waiting for that explanation myself.

      • Brother Mouzone

        Simply put…there is, and always will be, a system in place and a downright obligation that sistas in entertainment (and many other fields) who want to get rewarded and elevated, have to pay a wydude tax. They have to be inserted (no pun intended) into every Black female storyline in some form or fashion as a price for that woman to win awards, gain favor among the masses,and get treated as a superstar. I just wonder at what point will this happen here, because it’s GOING to happen.

        • cysinblack

          There is a white guy this season. Do not believe he has an arch though. Is that what you mean?

          • YeaSoh

            There is a wydude later in the season

        • YeaSoh

          Interesting. Good point.

        • Rewind4ThatBehind

          There was a white dude date in the trailer for upcoming episodes

          • Brother Mouzone

            I haven’t watched yet, but I’m not surprised. Like I said, just a matter of time. Once they do that, maybe they can win an Emmy. Next up, Earn’s cute girlfriend on Atlanta, depending on how far she wants to go career wise. There can’t be too much Black Love going on without a wydude in the mix effin up the soup.

    • cysinblack

      What conspiracy theory you have for us this morning brother?

      • LadySiriboe

        Don’t be so quick to dismiss him.

        • cysinblack

          Hollywood is transparent in its long standing patriarchal white supremacist practice.

      • Brother Mouzone

        I don’t do those.

    • Junegirl627

      ???

    • Furious Styles

      Nah, seriously…say more.

      • Zil Nabu

        He’s saying when is she gonna have to get with a white man.

        • Furious Styles

          Thanks. Actually it will happen on-screen this season with her character.

  • HouseOfBonnets

    Oh so y’all ain’t tag me? Bet….. Last time I prep for y’all lol https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/756bd64ce864d7a09537b8d30cb540118a9377d8ee39f6d9b2a4c6b41c679f08.jpg

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