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I’m Team Issa Over Team Lawrence, Because Issa Reminds Me Of Me

In the first scene of the first episode of Insecure, Issa Rae makes the mission statement of her show clear when she responds to a student who says her dad told her nobody is checking for bitter Black women. “Tell your dad Black women aren’t bitter, they’re just tired of being expected to settle for less,” Issa says.

From there, Insecure’s entire first season aims at proving this theory to that little girl’s daddy and the men like him by pushing back hard against the idea that Black women don’t have options. Issa and her best friend Molly have options, they just handle them in the messiest, most savage ways possible. They cheat, they lie, and they constantly find new ways to get in their own way, which is why I found myself relating more to them than I did to guys like Lawrence.

The amount of crap men were put through on the first season of Insecure was quite remarkable. Never have I seen a show so effectively treat men like pawns and go to such great lengths to humble an entire species, but after watching every episode twice (except for the last one), I must take my hat off to Issa Rae: She, a Black woman, created a show in which her and her girls look terrible and all the men are winning the morality game.

Lawrence is so faithful and focused on proving his value to Issa even without a job and only a little bit of savings that he can’t even see Tasha, the bank teller who carries hot sauce in her bag and has never met a low-cutting shirt she doesn’t like. Molly treats Jared like the rent-a-cars he supervises at Enterprise, only going to him when she’s been rejected by other men for being too thirsty too soon. Daniel was asked by Issa to do a career day and does such a good job she ends up knocking boots with him on a studio couch. Then she doesn’t return any of his texts and reduces him to an itch she needed to scratch when he finally asks her why their text message chat has been so dry.

It’s easy to root for Lawrence and Jared and Daniel. But what I see is a group of guys I can’t completely relate to. I can relate to Lawrence not having a job, but when he walked away from the counter at the bank after it was evident that Tasha wanted to throw dollars at him, I know that could not have been me. When Jared still wanted to go out with Molly after she confessed Issa’s “Broken Pussy” song was about her, I know my reaction would have been to run as far away from her as possible. When Daniel showed up unannounced at Issa’s job, I looked at him the way I looked at women in my past who thought it was a good idea to pop up unannounced and surprise me with their presence.

Meanwhile, Issa deciding to get close to Daniel on the side while being vague about what’s bothering her in her current relationship is something I know very well. Molly going from guy to guy to guy trying to find Mr. Right but settling for Mr. Right Now is exactly how I was when I was dating. The constant references to Black men through the use of the n-word is similar to how I used to refer to women when talking to my male friends, except replace the n-word with other inappropriate five-letter words. I was rooting for Issa and Molly to get better not for the sake of the men who want them, but for their own well being, something my exes used to tell me. Be better for yourself not for me.

Perhaps the only thing I didn’t agree with when it came to Issa is when she decided to tell Lawrence that she cheated on him. When she cheated, I thought there was a good opportunity to show the difficulty that comes with trying to hide it from your partner and allow that to play out well into season two. But then I saw Sunday night’s season finale, and I realized why the writers decided to let the secret out to Lawrence even after Molly advises Issa not to say anything.

In episode five, when Molly is dating a guy named Chris (played by Jidenna), the two of them go to an engagement party for Molly’s co-worker and surprisingly, Chris introduces himself to everybody as her boyfriend. But later, when Molly asks Chris if he meant what he said about being her boyfriend, he confesses it was an act. “You looked like you needed a win,” he says to her.

Lawrence needed a win too, which is how we got Tasha.  But having sex to make the hurt go away is like putting a band-aid over a broken bone; that’s not how you heal. If Lawrence is a hero, he’s a tragic one, and that’s why I wouldn’t want to be him. Issa may have been left on that bouch crying enough tears to fill up that bottle of wine, but she doesn’t know what Lawrence is doing, just that he’s gone. If he comes back (and he probably will), Issa will be fine and her healing process will end. Meanwhile, Lawrence’s path to recovery is just getting started and he has a long way to go. I pray that I never have to make the same journey.

Jozen Cummings

Jozen Cummings is the author and creator of the popular relationship blog Until I Get Married, which is currently in development for a television series with Warner Bros. He hosts a weekly podcast with WNYC about Empire called the Empire Afterparty and he works at Twitter as an editorial associate. He lives in Harlem, graduated from Howard University, and grew up in Seaside, California. He cannot get you a blue check.

  • Medium Meech

    Question for the ladies. If you’re dating a guy that basically went to an Ivy league school, took a chance on his ambitions and tried to start a business but it didn’t work out. Got a little depressed and didn’t have a job. Is he a deadbeat?

    • charisma_supreme

      This is not a cut and dry question. When did we start dating?

      • Medium Meech

        It’s been a good minute. About a month of Sundays, give or take a communion.

        • TheUnsungStoryteller

          And how long has he been without a job is another QTNA. There is only so much that I, as supportive as a woman that I am, can do for my man. I would support him in every endeavor and be willing to help him out (pray and fast for him too, lol) but I can’t fill out applications and go on interviews for him.

          • I remember a long time ago that my (ex)wife and I had a discussion over my job relocating. I wasnt going with them, and with all the severance pay, vacation pay and sick time I had stored up. I could have sat out forever, do stuff around the house and stack money.
            It was cute for a while – laundry for her, cooking, the yard work, etc. It advanced to the point where, if I didn’t have on a tool belt when she came home – it was a problem.
            Then one day, I caught a glimpse of her looking up side my head…

            Didn’t even get in a whole summer of “Popparatzee Island”.

        • Brooklyn_Bruin

          See how they tryna get more details to a straightforward question.

          Lawrence tryna leave, Issa saying can we talk about it

          (Wo)manipulation

          • -h.h.h.-

            lol!

        • charisma_supreme

          I reward loyalty with reciprocity. So, if we’d been dating/in a partnership when he was “up”, i’d feel bad abt leaving when he’s “down “…… BUT HOWSOEVER, there’d be a time limit to my understanding. I’d expect the same from him.

      • miss t-lee

        For real. I need more.

    • HoobaStankyLeg

      Nope.

    • TheUnsungStoryteller

      No and you know why I say that? Because I’ve been in that position myself recently. So if I was dating someone, I would totally understand his dilemma and feel some empathy. However, I do expect him to research and figure out his next steps on a consistent and daily basis. He’s better than that. That just means there’s something BETTER out there for him. (Preaching to the choir).

      • Medium Meech

        Hmmmm, that sounds like the speech the bank teller gave him. Interesting. He had to go outside the home for some emotional support. Is that how you would approach the situation if he was down?

        • TheUnsungStoryteller

          Wait…I thought I was in Issa’s shoes. Are you putting me in the thirsty bank teller’s position?

          Yes, if he was my man…he would have my emotional support (?). No doubt about it. That’s a given. Because that’s what you do in relationships and hard times, right?

          • Medium Meech

            Na, I wasn’t putting you in her shoes. But now that we’re here, let’s say my hypothetical girl wasn’t giving me the emotional support I needed at home…

            • TheUnsungStoryteller

              Okay…and then what? I’m soo not like the bank teller girl. Lol…I mean I would encourage him, but I wouldn’t be flirting with him like that if I knew he was with someone. I wouldn’t even kick it with him if he just broke up with her. That sounds like drama that he needs to fix.

              • Medium Meech

                Well aren’t you just the salt of the earth

                • TheUnsungStoryteller

                  Sarcastic much? I’m just not here for the mess that he has.

                  And yes. I am.

                  • Medium Meech

                    More sardonic cause I believed you but was mocking because you ain’t ’bout that shenanigan life.

                    • TheUnsungStoryteller

                      Hardy-har-har. *hitting my knee in laughter *

                    • Medium Meech

                      Laughing at my bad jokes, touching your leg? So NOW you want to hit on me. Typical.

    • TeeChantel

      No, but I’d wonder what is his back up plan.

    • Ngosa

      Life isn’t that cut and dry. No, going to any school and having ambitions that don’t work out doesn’t make anyone a bum (there’s your straight up answer).

      But having ambitions and refusing to work (for what looked like years) when those ambitions don’t pan out or while working on them and opting to collect unemployment instead might. And people keep focusing on the job thing like that’s the only problem. Lawrence was clearly disconnected and selfish before he got a job (forgetting her birthday, saying he preferred to stay when he remembered their plans for her birthday, not even being sensing that something was wrong with his partner/the relationship etc.) In a perfect world, Issa would have expressed all of herself more effectively, but this is the real world. And in the real world you can’t tell a cis-het male that he should find a job without hurting his ego and being labeled some stuck up, nagging b*tch (and this very sentiment was expressed by Lawrence’s boys)

      • Medium Meech

        Lol at not sensing something was wrong with your partner making you selfish. Clearly the show was nuanced cause he came through for her when she needed him multiple times.

        I think they were going for them both being too comfortable and in arelationship rut and. It content with their jobs, not necessarily one being inherently selfish.

        • charisma_supreme

          That couch flashback was a little sad. They were so happy once. Smh

        • Ngosa

          They were both selfish. It happens. You’re not paying enough attention to your partner to notice a change. You don’t need to be a mind reader to know that something’s wrong with a person you’ve been with for at least four years, you just need to pay attention.

        • Ngosa

          Oh and I definitely said “before he got a job”. After he got a job he was “in this” and working on bettering himself/the relationship. So you’re right, there was nuance and he came through, after he got a job.

      • Brad G

        what is a cis-het male?

        • TheUnsungStoryteller

          Born a man, Heterosexual.

          • Brad G

            oh… ok

        • charisma_supreme

          Cisgender, heterosexual male

        • Brass Tacks

          Don’t feel bad. I learned of that term this past summer through this very site.

          • BeautifulSunshine

            The thing you learn here. Thank the good lord for google when I am too ashamed to ask, or better yet someone bringing an explanation.

          • Brad G

            I don’t mind asking questions here. I was genuinely ignorant of the phrase, and I know it’s all love here.

        • Ess Tee

          Cis: an abbreviation of cisgender. Someone born with male chex organs/genitalia who also identifies/feels as though he’s a man (in terms of gender).

          Het=heterochexual

    • esa

      can he afford to take time off from work?

      • Medium Meech

        Depends on what you mean by “afford”. Not much money but going in on his dream

        • esa

          by afford, i mean can he feed and house himself ?

          • Medium Meech

            Nope, not alone.

            • esa

              it’s not an easy position to be in, but it is possible if the relationship served a higher purpose than the financials.

              • Medium Meech

                Maybe they were trying to point out another nuanced gendered perspective, but if I had a smart ambitious girl that put it all on the line and her business failed and she was, let’s call it what it is with Lawrence, depressed, I would be all about helping and nurturing, not judging her worth taking a bold step and not winning that time.

                • esa

                  i think the nature of each individual and the purpose of the relationship defines whether they are able to bear the hardships of life together, or if they’re better off apart. if one is authentic to themselves, i believe whatever choice they make is correct.

                  it’s possible that when people are truly friends, being out of the relationship can do them both a world a good. i like the idea that we can grow together, apart, and if need be, return stronger.

                  it’s also possible to stay together without becoming co-dependent, if the person who is down gives their all to take radical responsibility for their failure, regroups, and contributes in a manner that is worth far more than money. reciprocity and mutuality is essential, otherwise you cultivate imbalance.

                  both are hard AF but incredibly transformative if they are based in truth.

                • YeaSoh

                  I call bs

      • Medium Meech

        Barely

        • esa

          i believe that if people can keep themselves housed and fed, taking time off from work to lick their wounds, assess their failures, take radical responsibility, regroup the resources, and strategize a new plan is one of the greatest gifts life can bring.

    • HouseOfBonnets

      It depends, I’m 25 so I’m willing to support but you have to bring something in for the meantime. Even most of the biggest self made entrepreneurs will tell you that the road is easy they had to provide because family and it was pretty much hustle, faith and long nights. Even in the realm he was in IT (app start up in LA) the field is thick af. He might of had a business plan but he didn’t have a master/back up plan. Ambition and dreams are great but the road to entrepreneurship isn’t an easy one and if I can speak for myself isn’t for everyone (although I learn many lessons from it)

    • Val

      Are you talking about Ern? Lol

    • YeaSoh

      I don’t see why pursuing your dreams and maintaining some type of income has to be mutually exclusive. If he can werk werk werk werk werk, he should always be doing so unless the trust fund is just so sufficient.

    • MsSula

      Absolutely not!! That’s why I am trying to understand this whole #LawrenceAsADeadbeat thing. HE IS NOT!! He just wants better out of life than a friggin’ 9-to-5!

      • Medium Meech

        That’s awesome. I love to hear stories like that.

        • MsSula

          And ours is not very unique to be honest. Like I said, culture plays a lot into it. American culture really values independence and individuality, the possibility to do for self. And Americans value work. So a person does seem to not be able to provide for themselves falls down on the totem pole.

          Other cultures might be more tolerant if the”delay” is perceived as hustling towards a bigger goal. In these cultures (mine notably), the family is the basic unit. You are part of your family and can’t be extricated. There are no individuals, there are families. (this is a grand generalization by the way… trying to make a point on why it might more acceptable here than there).

          It gives black men more leeway to fail and explore etc… in this part of the world than in the US.

          • YeaSoh

            Very fair argument. I won’t lie I waver been the two – support your dream while working though I know that’s damb near impossible most times. I’ll say this, if he has a clear vision it’s easier to back that vision up than someone trying to figure it out.

  • Brass Tacks

    It was interesting to see dudes cast as milquetoast, fvckboi, and gay get nuanced perspectives. Equally intriguing was watching women (IRL) try to explain/rationalize the fcukery being done by members of their tribe all throughout social media.

    Gender wars became inverted for a sec.

    I may or may not have re-watched that last scene more than once because ladies and gentlemen, that is how you fcuk through the pain and anger. I had a female acquaintance say that she felt Lawrence was exploiting Tasha and I disagreed as Tasha isn’t some naive youngin in her early 20’s, she wanted #peen and he obliged with the Phelpian styled backstrokes.

    Shout out to Da Guys man #TFG

    • BeautifulSunshine

      I thought you were team milquetoast

      • Brass Tacks

        People will learn not to underestimate the Clark Kents and Bruce Banners of the world.

        • BeautifulSunshine

          Hasn’t history taught that? I do not want anyone hulking out on me. Show me your anger face up front and let me deal with that.

          • Brass Tacks

            I’ve been told my anger face makes me come across as chexy and borderline, im talkin like…a smidge, psychotic.

            The Gift & The Curse.

            • BeautifulSunshine

              I am not going there with you tonight. But that is rather interesting. I unfortunately can not play poker though I try to repress my anger.

        • -h.h.h.-

          someone called for a mild mannered scientist?

          • BeautifulSunshine

            So you are saying you are bipolar?

            • -h.h.h.-

              nah, i’m one world

              wait i mean i’m multifaceted in my singularity

        • cyanic

          I never did. It’s the quiet ones who make the best erotic life partners.

    • Brooklyn_Bruin

      They want Tasha to not have any agency. These ovarian Americans ain’t slick

      • cyanic

        Come on. She doesn’t need any. She’s no victim. She wanted someone else’s man because she saw his value. A 20 dollar bill crumbled up is still a 20 dollar bill.

        • Brooklyn_Bruin

          Not if it’s been on the floor for four years

          • HouseOfBonnets

            I mean I would still spend said 20 lol

            • Brass Tacks

              Live your best life HOB

              • HouseOfBonnets

                I’m trying but my finances won’t let me be great Lmao

      • Medium Meech

        The redundantly chromosomed lack Fidelity. Someone should turn that into a song…

      • MsSula

        Tasha knows what’s up. I am sure he didn’t have time to explain that he broke up with his gf or what not. Tasha is winning if you ask me. That back stroke game was mean as he!!

      • MsCee

        ovarian Americas tho…lmfao.

    • Medium Meech

      If anybody took advantage of the situation it was Tasha. He let his situation be known multiple times and that did not deter her in the least.

      • Brooklyn_Bruin

        And since showing up thirsty at a person’s job is so egregious….

        • Cori Hoston

          Sahara desert

        • Scorpiogoddess??

          I’m with all your comments regarding this situation.

      • HouseOfBonnets

        Dedication, it’s an art lol

    • Deeds

      I too enjoyed that last scene, but maybe for different reasons.

      • Brass Tacks

        It was so primal. I am typically numb to most displays of chex on television. But something about that scene had a brother seriously fighting with himself to not send a…”Hey, What are you up to?” text.

        • GOVCHRIS1988
        • Blueberry01

          Too much pron, BT. You gotta cut back. You’ve become desensitized…

        • Scorpiogoddess??

          ? I didn’t receive the text. You can still press send, you know. I love acting. We can reenact, no?! You could be the director and I the lead actress.

          • Brass Tacks

            Yes. Yes to all of it!

      • Cori Hoston

        Man…listen…i had to go see my husband about some business we needed to take care of…

        • GOVCHRIS1988

          I knew some folks did a …”reenactment” Went into the bedroom, asked for a closeup, Mr. Demille and then ACTION!!!

      • cyanic

        It was the intensity of the last scene that made Team Issa feel most devastated for her.

  • DM.

    Sorry but #LawrenceHive all the way. Issa treated him (and Daniel) like straight up trash, how is this up for debate? Lol

    • Brooklyn_Bruin

      They should be embracing the villain role instead of finding excuses for victimhood

    • Madam CJ_Skywalker

      I didn’t think that was being debated. I think the author was just stating he can relate more to Molly and Issa savagery than to the vulnerability of the men on the show.

  • Wise Old Owl

    Sad…I am Team Reality! Even when Black Men Win, We Have to Lose to Make Someone Else Feel Like A Victim and thus the Winner…Brother has a Georgetown degree and was constantly looking for and interviewing for positions to match his educational and professional background, however, due to racism, he wasn’t winning in life like Biff and them. Yet, He was loyal to Issa, cooked for her and supported her in the pursuit of her dreams. I am not mad at Issa for being human, however, in no terms is she a victim. She wanted some new D and new Drama in her life and she took the risk for the chex reward.

  • FarbissinaPunim

    Can we talk about Molly’s bougie sorority sister, Tiffany and her husband, Derek? Damn, I know people like that and I really want to murder them half the time. Preaching traditional values when in ’04 they were pioneering Moscato culture.

    • charisma_supreme

      Given their peer group, i was wondering how Bougie Brenda fit in. Molly tries so hard to distance herself from the hood, honey. I understand the conflict, but it seems forced

      • Ess Tee

        Aren’t Molly and Tiffany sorors? Is Kelly AKA, too, or does she know Issa and Molly from high school?

        • Ari

          Major AKA shade in this series. I was watching like, who hurt the writer(s)?

          • Ess Tee

            They made Tiffany and Molly super stereotypical AKAs lol

            • Ari

              Like damn writers tell us how you really feel! Lol.

            • MsCee

              Yeah, one of the writers definitely had to want to pledge AKA and didn’t make the cut. They shaded AKA’s more than Damon shades Kappas.

          • pls

            lemme go back and watch to catch this shade

        • charisma_supreme

          Im bad with names, in real life as well as TV. lol. Is Kelly the stereotypically funny plus size girl?

          • Ess Tee

            Lol. Yes, that’s Kelly. The light skinned chick is Tiffany.

            • charisma_supreme

              Oh, i assumed they all went to undergrad together. I didnt catch the sorority connection

          • Sydney Morenike

            Yup! Black people are making ground breaking television series all over and yet plus size black women still get the same role: alcoholic, loud mouth, hella thirsty, sexually vulgar, and messy. Kelly was literally spilling drinks on her clothes-you are telling me this college educated grwm don’t know how to properly sip from a cup? I love Issa, but I am sooooo tired of this depiction of plus size black women.

            • charisma_supreme

              I feel you on the depiction of plus size women. Im trying to think of a depiction that’s a little more positive. Off top, maybe Kadijah from Living Single?

              • Sydney Morenike

                Absolutely! And in that same respect, Queen Latifah’s role in the movie Just Wright. As a thick and lovely lady that movie was so refreshing because it showed the queen’s character as being vulnerable; and ultimately the main love interest. But content like this comes once in a very very blue moon.

            • cyanic

              I believe the actress playing that role had say so in her character’s depiction. She seems real despite the cliche you bring attention to.

              • Sydney Morenike

                That is a very hopeful opinion. But I absolutely do not agree. An actor/actress that auditions for a part that has already been developed by the writers, directors, and producers of the show- usually does not have much say in their character’s depiction. Especially a supporting character, Kelly is the funnyman of the group; every show has one. More often these characters are fat because that adds an extra layer of humor to their character.

                • cyanic

                  The actress playing Kelli has signed a development deal at HBO. Don’t know if this means a stand up special or her own sitcom? But whomever is in the driver’s seat dictates the narrative. I honestly believe cliches and stereotypes are impossible to avoid if many are rooted in truth and not hateful social mythology. I think Kelli is a stronger plus size character despite the cliches which I feel would be unavoidable on a comedy show.

            • XavierCarter

              Apparently Kelli is gonna be a regular on season 2. Hopefully we get to see a back story about her or something

              • MsCee

                Hopefully we get to see her drink a drink with her mouth and not her neck.

            • MsCee

              Yeah, we had this same discussion the other day. All the wins we got from this series and yet and still bigger Black women have to take yet another L. It truly pissed me off when they were in Malibu and she’s like “I bought him all those drinks last night and still ended up sleeping alone with my panties on” or something along those lines. Like come on man, don’t perpetuate those stereotypes.

              • Sydney Morenike

                OKAAY! It’s like this show has such a great opportunity to break down all these OVER DONE black tv character stereotypes. Maybe lonely fat black women is the last acceptable joke.

                • MsCee

                  For some reason I’m just not that shocked smh.

                • MsCee

                  Crazy thing is all 4 of my bigger girlfriends got married this year to all different sizes and colors of men…some big, some small, and one to a white guy…c’mon man…we’re diverse too.

          • pls

            I thought she was playing herself. Isn’t the actress that plays her a blog person?

            • charisma_supreme

              …now u asking the wrong one.

    • HouseOfBonnets

      Jack and Jill alumni lol

    • mr. steal your costco samples

      People like that kinda put me off Jack and Jill for my young tbh

    • MsCee

      I seriously know married couples just like this. I hate what marriage has done to my friends. Like they take judgmental to a whole new level lol.

  • NomadaNare

    I think what makes the show so good is that *everyone* is relatable

    I can point to specific situations in my life that mirror the thoughts actions and behavior of almost every reoccuring character of color

    • TheUnsungStoryteller

      I agree as well. I especially relate to Lawrence.

      • mr. steal your costco samples

        I related to that Jidenna.

  • The more I hear about Lawrence, the more. I relate to him. I’m someone who once I commit, I don’t care who is throwing box at me, because commitment means forsaking other boxes. I’ve also been known to be oblivious to women flirting with me, so there’s that.

    That said, I’ve usually been the dumper in my relationships, and I usually have been Savage enough that I swear Elger compositions are my ring tones. If I’m at the point where Lawrence is, ain’t nothing getting me to talk to you that isn’t a legal obligation. Once I’m done, I AM DONE. Issa would need a wanted poster to find me. I’m not thinking about healing at that point. I’m think about self preservation and room to breathe. Let the man breathe, even if it is during brutal backshots.

  • No shades

  • As much as I’m happy for Lawrence I know from personal experience when then post nut clarity hits he’s going to go through it next season. Men move on the next one faster but women move on quicker from the heartbreak. I don’t see Lawrence and Issa back together but they will be friends

    • Brooklyn_Bruin

      They will be friends?

      After her utter betrayal of his trust and love.

      Probably share the buffalo blasts at Cheesecake Factory. *clinking glasses of raspberry lemonade*

      I wish a geisha would

      • Blueberry01

        *clinking glasses of raspberry lemonade*

        I used to tear these up!

      • mr. steal your costco samples

        ayo he was garbage for three / four years though.

        • Brooklyn_Bruin

          He was holding her down emotionally, while he was trying to build his business.

          Him getting the job with them folks, who were behind the ball only proves that he was RIGHT ALL ALONG

          But what did Issa do? Did she make connects with some Los Angeles angel investors?

          Made him get a job at best buy. Talked him out off following his dream again when he’s working for them mountain climbers who played electric guitars.

          She didn’t know the meaning of dope…

          • pls

            dog. he was not doing his job as a man if his woman cheated on him. we aren’t built to cheat. something is wrong if your woman cheats on you. just because he didn’t cheat on her does not mean he was pulling his weight in the rship. we didn’t see him blowing her back out like he did tasha! he didn’t start tryna be better until we are introduced to them in episode 1…years into their rship…after his lack of work has already become the elephant in the room.

            • Brooklyn_Bruin

              Five years into it…?
              Daniel would have been bored with it too.

              You posting mad young.

              • pls

                I’m posting from experience. I’ve dated “lawrence” before, and just because a man doesn’t cheat, doesn’t mean he was doing everything else he needed to be doing in the rship. I, too, struggled with the idea of leaving a “good black man” but at the end of the day, no one wants to be with a loser. Lawrence was a loser while with Issa. Becoming a winner after their breakup doesn’t really make him a winner. It makes him complacent.

  • HouseOfBonnets

    Give Issa her due yeah she ain’t ish and yeah she wasn’t as assertive but dang it Lawrence wasn’t perfect.

    I was Issa only in my case the ex wasn’t a Lawrence I could relate. Plus it just hurt to see her crumpled on that bouch.

    • Brad G

      yeah it hurt, but she literally had no one to blame but herself… episode 1 she said she wanted to break it off with him. She let the fantasy of a lifestyle take her away from reality and now she gotta live with it.

      • HouseOfBonnets

        That is true but like I said I can relate to the character and the initial situation to a point. So in short…. I was in my feels lol

        • Brad G

          Oh I understand… my season finales have seen a many of heartbreaking final scenes.

    • MsSula

      It’s called reaping what you sow. I have been Issa (more savage even) but the quickest way to redemption and authenticity is owning up to your fugged up mess. Victimhood makes the path to self awareness a lot longer and harder.

      She effed up. The End.

      • Epsilonicus

        “Victimhood makes the path to self awareness a lot longer and harder.”

        I had this convo with a friend last night.

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