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I’m Team Issa Over Team Lawrence, Because Issa Reminds Me Of Me

In the first scene of the first episode of Insecure, Issa Rae makes the mission statement of her show clear when she responds to a student who says her dad told her nobody is checking for bitter Black women. “Tell your dad Black women aren’t bitter, they’re just tired of being expected to settle for less,” Issa says.

From there, Insecure’s entire first season aims at proving this theory to that little girl’s daddy and the men like him by pushing back hard against the idea that Black women don’t have options. Issa and her best friend Molly have options, they just handle them in the messiest, most savage ways possible. They cheat, they lie, and they constantly find new ways to get in their own way, which is why I found myself relating more to them than I did to guys like Lawrence.

The amount of crap men were put through on the first season of Insecure was quite remarkable. Never have I seen a show so effectively treat men like pawns and go to such great lengths to humble an entire species, but after watching every episode twice (except for the last one), I must take my hat off to Issa Rae: She, a Black woman, created a show in which her and her girls look terrible and all the men are winning the morality game.

Lawrence is so faithful and focused on proving his value to Issa even without a job and only a little bit of savings that he can’t even see Tasha, the bank teller who carries hot sauce in her bag and has never met a low-cutting shirt she doesn’t like. Molly treats Jared like the rent-a-cars he supervises at Enterprise, only going to him when she’s been rejected by other men for being too thirsty too soon. Daniel was asked by Issa to do a career day and does such a good job she ends up knocking boots with him on a studio couch. Then she doesn’t return any of his texts and reduces him to an itch she needed to scratch when he finally asks her why their text message chat has been so dry.

It’s easy to root for Lawrence and Jared and Daniel. But what I see is a group of guys I can’t completely relate to. I can relate to Lawrence not having a job, but when he walked away from the counter at the bank after it was evident that Tasha wanted to throw dollars at him, I know that could not have been me. When Jared still wanted to go out with Molly after she confessed Issa’s “Broken Pussy” song was about her, I know my reaction would have been to run as far away from her as possible. When Daniel showed up unannounced at Issa’s job, I looked at him the way I looked at women in my past who thought it was a good idea to pop up unannounced and surprise me with their presence.

Meanwhile, Issa deciding to get close to Daniel on the side while being vague about what’s bothering her in her current relationship is something I know very well. Molly going from guy to guy to guy trying to find Mr. Right but settling for Mr. Right Now is exactly how I was when I was dating. The constant references to Black men through the use of the n-word is similar to how I used to refer to women when talking to my male friends, except replace the n-word with other inappropriate five-letter words. I was rooting for Issa and Molly to get better not for the sake of the men who want them, but for their own well being, something my exes used to tell me. Be better for yourself not for me.

Perhaps the only thing I didn’t agree with when it came to Issa is when she decided to tell Lawrence that she cheated on him. When she cheated, I thought there was a good opportunity to show the difficulty that comes with trying to hide it from your partner and allow that to play out well into season two. But then I saw Sunday night’s season finale, and I realized why the writers decided to let the secret out to Lawrence even after Molly advises Issa not to say anything.

In episode five, when Molly is dating a guy named Chris (played by Jidenna), the two of them go to an engagement party for Molly’s co-worker and surprisingly, Chris introduces himself to everybody as her boyfriend. But later, when Molly asks Chris if he meant what he said about being her boyfriend, he confesses it was an act. “You looked like you needed a win,” he says to her.

Lawrence needed a win too, which is how we got Tasha.  But having sex to make the hurt go away is like putting a band-aid over a broken bone; that’s not how you heal. If Lawrence is a hero, he’s a tragic one, and that’s why I wouldn’t want to be him. Issa may have been left on that bouch crying enough tears to fill up that bottle of wine, but she doesn’t know what Lawrence is doing, just that he’s gone. If he comes back (and he probably will), Issa will be fine and her healing process will end. Meanwhile, Lawrence’s path to recovery is just getting started and he has a long way to go. I pray that I never have to make the same journey.

Jozen Cummings

Jozen Cummings is the author and creator of the popular relationship blog Until I Get Married, which is currently in development for a television series with Warner Bros. He hosts a weekly podcast with WNYC about Empire called the Empire Afterparty and he works at Twitter as an editorial associate. He lives in Harlem, graduated from Howard University, and grew up in Seaside, California. He cannot get you a blue check.

  • chazb

    I agree about this being a refreshingly different outlook on men and women. Women have issues just as men do, and they aren’t always the obvious ones often shown in entertainment. I love that Molly is oblivious as to why she can’t snag a good man. She literally has no clue that she is clingy and feels like because she’s a good catch in all the ways that matter to her, men should be dropping at her feet. How many women complain about there being no good men but never looking at their choices and behavior? Same for Issa, she was all the way wrong for what she did. Especially since Lawrence was trying to do better finally but being the “ride or die” chick has its consequences and for her it led her to boredom and frustration. So Daniel presented a very attractive package. Women ain’t always gonna be sitting at home suffering for a man, some choose their happiness or pleasure instead.Overall I like the way the show is displaying multifaceted black people as well as women. Can’t wait for season 2!

    • rhymeswithbrucelee

      Right? How long does she sit around waiting for him to finally do better? Ain’t nobody got time for the waiting around for 6yrs for this guy to feel successful enough to pop the question

      • chazb

        Lol, agreed. Although I will say she should have voiced her dissatisfaction alot earlier. It took him too damn long to get that job. I understand his pride, but pride don’t feed or clothe you.

      • charisma_supreme

        It’s that how long they had been together? I don’t think i caught that during the show

      • Cleojonz

        Exactly. Male pride is too much sometimes. He should have been doing SOMETHING. It took my husband 7 years to find a permanent teaching position, but he was never out of work, he always subbed. Lawrence could have been up in a temp agency bringing money in still.

    • cakes_and_pies

      I have a friend just like Molly (she’s also an attorney, but she’s celibate.) She just can’t understand why she only has first dates despite me telling her she freaks men out with telling them her life goals and plans in the initial conversations. The was Molly convinced herself that ole” boy had decided to commit himself to her after a drink and smash session was the saddest thing I’ve ever seen.

      • BeautifulSunshine

        You know the real life Molly is extremely celibate

        • TheUnsungStoryteller

          That’s exactly what I was about to say! I saw that Breakfast Klub interview with the actress…she could’ve fooled me…

          • BeautifulSunshine

            I was like what?? Disclaimer I have only seen the first 2 episodes of Insecure.

          • LisaLisa NoCultJam

            The way that back was arched I too was fooled. where she learn that?

        • chazb

          I read a few interviews with her and that surprised me. That’s some good acting,lol

        • Brooklyn_Bruin

          If y’all believe that, she’s a better actor than I give her credit for

          • BeautifulSunshine

            Well it came out of her mouth and I think the forum in which she said it some person would have already pulled a Justin and brought receipts. So I take it she is a good actress

          • cyanic

            You think she’s lying for the sake of her parents?

            • Brooklyn_Bruin

              Is she West African/J Dub?
              My suspicions are more nefarious, keep her name in the interwebz

              • Blueberry01

                Yeah, she’s Nigerian.

            • Blueberry01

              But if they’ve seen her play-chexing on TV, then I think that would be embarrassing enough.

              I don’t think she’s lying, besides her parents know a thing or two about chex. They helped create her after all.

        • BrownKitty289

          Actually Yvonne Orji’s a virgin. They do exist ppl! Lol ;)

          • BeautifulSunshine

            I saw the interview and I know they exist.

      • chazb

        Isn’t that weird how some people are so not self aware? That’s interesting that she won’t even listen to you as her friend. Some people have to learn the hard way I guess.

        • cakes_and_pies

          I think she likes the hardway
          She married a man I told her not to marry. She did it anyway and 4 into the marriage he ran her out of her own home.

          • Blueberry01

            WAIT! I remember this story!

            Yikes…

            Did you share how he ran her out? I can’t fathom how that’s even possible.

            • cakes_and_pies

              He went full Kanye. Random threats, yelling at her from the lawn into the house, using Jesus as an excuse to be verbally abusive, and gaslighting and he didn’t get a job until after they were married. Her spiritual leader told her she was destined to marry someone she had known for most of her life and we were like “Nah”.

              • Blueberry01

                D*MN!

                She ain’t go Eve from the Love Is Blind video – or at least Angela Basset from Waiting to Exhale?

                I mean, is he the ONLY person she’s known most of her life?

                • cakes_and_pies

                  Nope. She found Jesus and has been riding the 1st date wave for a few years now.
                  There were a couple other guys she had known for awhile. They dated and lived together, she trained them up, they broke it off, then married the next girl they dated. Happened twice.

                  • Blueberry01

                    Ish.

                    Honestly, c&p, I’ve got to the point where I’m not trying to raise or train up no man. I know we, as women, like to honor the “potential” in our men, but the relationship never fares well if we’re not honest about the initial level of (non-chexual) compatibility (or lack thereof) when we meet a man.

                    If you determine that he doesn’t share your values in the beginning, just keep it moving. The health and longetivity of my relationships have significantly increased since I adopted this mindset.

                    …twice, though, huh?…

                    …at least she found the Lord…

                    • cakes_and_pies

                      I’m about to be 37, and I’ve adopted an ‘as is” policy since I was 30. I’m not trying to change someone so they can resent me and cause strife. You get what you get or just get gone. That’s a two-way street.

                    • Blueberry01

                      You get what you get or just get gone. = stolen

          • chazb

            Oh lord. I have a friend who is always going through drama in her relationships and I said to her one day, “So you must enjoy drama with the people you date”,lol. She didn’t disagree

        • Blueberry01

          I think it hurts people’s egos when they become self-aware. In my experience, those people have built their entire identity on being unaware, so they refuse to let anything burst their bubble.

          • chazb

            You are totally right. It is much easier to be oblivious, save yourself the heartache I guess.

            • Blueberry01

              I think people believe that ignorance is bliss because you’re not forced to think and consider other options.

        • Eri Cad

          I stopped telling one of my friends the truth about herself ages ago. Cause she always got mad and shut me down. Every man she dates is a trifling, trash nicca but she thinks its because they are younger than her or because they are men that they lie and cheat.

          • chazb

            Smh, that’s unfortunate. Especially when you’re a friend and care and just want better for them. But yeah, alot of people just gotta learn on their own. And if they don’t, you can’t stress about it,lol. The part I don’t like, cause I have a slightly similar friend, is that they then want to talk your ear off about the foolishness.

      • Blueberry01

        Dude was probably like, “I’m not trying to have chex with your life goals!”

      • Cleojonz

        I don’t even know why she started that conversation. I would have left it alone until it presented itself again. That fact that Chris showed up would have been enough in the moment.

      • LisaLisa NoCultJam

        In real life the Molly’s are always Celibate but only after a lifetime of abundant peen.

        • cakes_and_pies

          Nah, she barely liked it gives no oral support. I’m not sure how she’s gonna get chose.

    • Brooklyn_Bruin

      She could have just been a woman about it and broken up with him.

      But I’ll leave you folks to y’all’s moral relativism

      • Hugh Akston

        “She could have just been a woman about it and broken up with him.”

        but she loved him…didn’t you know love is about suffering so no matter what a person does you should accept them you know? cant just disregard so many years /s

        • Brooklyn_Bruin

          Loved him so much she’s getting dug out for a struggle rapper producer…

          Sounds about right

        • rhymeswithbrucelee

          If there’s no ring on it then yes you can

          • Hugh Akston

            lol the whole notion of marriage again hehe

            it adds no benefits that’s worth it :)

            • Blueberry01

              Hugh, don’t go there again…you KNOW I’m ready for you. Lol.

              Also, have you been getting a little sun light up there so you can go outside? Or, has been cold?

              • Hugh Akston

                I have to speak the truf let me be great

                Sun? What is that? Some ancient wizardry?

                • Blueberry01

                  I will only let you be great when you stop with all this foolishness.

                  You (and your python program, was it?) deserve to be loved, too!?

                  Dag, Boston ain’t giving no breaks this winter, huh? But, aren’t you about be to laid up in some Caribbean island soon, sipping on the Lord’s conversion juice?

                  • Hugh Akston

                    lol I think you deserve all of that

                    Me? I deserve my little corner

                    I find the whole aspect of relationships comical at this point tried it but humans will be humans so there is that

                    But yeah the last two weeks of December can’t wait to get out of this place

                    Will be back but hopefully for a short while And make my final decision

                    • Blueberry01

                      “lol I think you deserve all of that”

                      Yes, I receive your declaration in my spirit! Lol.

                      “Me? I deserve my little corner”
                      No one puts Hugh in a corner. ?

                      “I find the whole aspect of relationships comical at this point tried it but humans will be humans so there is that”

                      True, but that’s the point. You find someone who you can be “human” with. There’s no such thing as a perfect relationship; there is only someone who is perfect for you.?

                      Have fun…and get your groove back!

                    • Hugh Akston

                      ” there is only someone who is perfect for you.”

                      but there is no such person is there?

                      i do believe that humans can find another person that they can be content with…but that’s pretty much it…that same human being can find another person to do the same thing lol

                      you see it daily….you have person A getting married to person B…person A professed that’s the love of their lives…but person A have said that to person C who person B have no knowledge of…that’s what i mean by delusional

                      how many people have you confessed your love to? folks have said it to me, and i just stare with a blank face “say something” …”uhhh…hmmm do you like sushi?”

                      see why im not good at this?

                      let me write this program in my little corner life’s better that way

                      and yeah can’t wait for my travels…ever travel by yourself? so much fun

                    • Blueberry01

                      “i do believe that humans can find another person that they can be content with…but that’s pretty much it…that same human being can find another person to do the same thing lol
                      you see it daily….you have person A getting married to person B…person A professed that’s the love of their lives…but person A have said that to person C who person B have no knowledge of…that’s what i mean by delusional”

                      I’m beginning to think that you have seen or experienced some unhealthy relationships and haven’t healed from them. Based on your example above, I’m not exactly sure if you’re upset at the fact that person A had the capacity to love more than one person or if they verbally expressed this.

                      Is it possible, HA, that you’re generalizing ALL relationships as being bad because of how YOU’VE interpreted the ones you’ve seen?

                      As for me, I’ve expressed my love twice – and I meant it both times. However, I draw a distinction between confessing my love and committing my love to a man. I don’t believe that you can FULLY commit to more than one person in a relationship, although you very well may love more than one person. You may love the prospects of two different jobs, but you realistically can only commit to the responsibilities of one place of enjoyment at a time.

                      But, based on the example, person A had already moved on from person C, correct? What if the A/C relationship wasn’t healthy? Are you suggesting that A stay since C was the first person A declared love to?

                      “folks have said it to me, and i just stare with a blank face “say something” …”uhhh…hmmm do you like sushi?”
                      see why im not good at this?”

                      If you’re not ready to express that you share the same sentiment, you can just say that. “Baby, thank you for sharing these special words. I’m glad that you honestly told me how you feel. Although I like/care about you, I’m not at a place where I can say that back to you.”

                      Then, you go out for some California rolls.

                      Just because you don’t have experience doing something doesn’t mean you can’t practice or you’ll never be proficient in it. I doubt you woke up one morning knowing how to code in C++ and Java, without ever having to practice.

                    • Hugh Akston

                      “Based on your example above, I’m not exactly sure if you’re upset at the fact that person A had the capacity to love more than one person or if they verbally expressed this.”

                      lol not upset at all…have nothing to be upset over :)

                      “Is it possible, HA, that you’re generalizing ALL relationships as being bad because of how YOU’VE interpreted the ones you’ve seen?”

                      its not the relationships themselves but rather human beings

                      1. human creations are flawed
                      2. humans create romantic relationships
                      3. therefore, human romantic relationships are flawed

                      which of the premises do you disagree? if none then the conclusion must follow QED :)

                      “As for me, I’ve expressed my love twice – and I meant it both times.”

                      why were those words said? what were the meanings of them? did the meaning change from one person to the other? “i love you” what does that entail exactly? (if someone sends me a code we will be using the same definition for our values variables typeError etc )

                      However, I draw a distinction between confessing my love and committing my love to a man. I don’t believe that you can FULLY commit to more than one person in a relationship, although you very well may love more than one person. You may love the prospects of two different jobs, but you realistically can only commit to the responsibilities of one place of enjoyment at a time.

                      ” I don’t believe that you can FULLY commit to more than one person in a relationship, although you very well may love more than one person. You may love the prospects of two different jobs, but you realistically can only commit to the responsibilities of one place of enjoyment at a time.”

                      Maybe there are some truths to that…but it goes back to my original questions…in terms of the definition of the word itself and human relationships…can a mother loves two of her kids? or do you believe the mother will have to commit to one?

                      “But, based on the example, person A had already moved on from person C, correct? What if the A/C relationship wasn’t healthy? Are you suggesting that A stay since C was the first person A declared love to?”

                      not at all just saying there is no difference between A declaring love for B or C…the same way if i take a ring and give it to B, and then later change my mind and give the same ring to C, and take it back to B…not much of a difference…

                      “Baby, thank you for sharing these special words. I’m glad that you honestly told me how you feel. Although I like/care about you, I’m not at a place where I can say that back to you.”

                      lol that happened a few times ….when a woman declares her love for a man he should just stay quiet or get out of the room as fast as possible if he is not ready…no matter what he said is going to satisfy her at that point…besides saying those words back with a “too”

                      “Just because you don’t have experience doing something doesn’t mean you can’t practice or you’ll never be proficient in it.”

                      i tried but i failed im human after all…i don’t force anyone…im just me and try to be true to myself as much as possible…i blame no one besides myself..so i don’t bother anyone :)

                      “I doubt you woke up one morning knowing how to code in C++ and Java, without ever having to practice.”

                      lol you’re right..it takes practice, but once it works it works i can add layers sparse and nest fairly easily…identify any problems and fix it without any repeat…you can’t do that with humans…

                      i’ve tried to do the right thing but in the end it was all in vain…and always will be vanite des vanites! Tout est vanite….so sushi it is for me, and you?

                    • Blueberry01

                      5) “lol you’re right..it takes practice, but once it works it works i can add layers sparse and nest fairly easily…identify any problems and fix it without any repeat…you can’t do that with humans…”

                      You’re right. Humans aren’t computer languages or programs that you can create a code for, so you can determine their outcome without thinking.

                      That would be you controlling someone, much like you dictate how a program will run based on its code.

                      I’m starting to think that you’re scared of unexpected outcomes of relationship, so you shut them off all together.

                      6) “i’ve tried to do the right thing but in the end it was all in vain…and always will be vanite des vanites! Tout est vanite….so sushi it is for me, and you?”

                      Welp. That’s life. :KanyeShrug: that ish off, take however much time you need to heal, and move on.

                      Or, go to therapy and attempt to figure out why they all end in vain. You know what they say, ‘everywhere you go, there you are’…

                      No, sushi for me and you. We couldn’t date; you don’t even believe in romantic relationships. Why would I waste my time giving you a glimpse of my awesomeness when you wouldn’t know what to do with it? ?

                      But, seriously, HA, I can sense there’s more to your story based on the type of relationships that you’ve seen this far – especially your parents’. It wouldn’t hurt to explore it in a professional setting.

                    • Hugh Akston

                      “I’m starting to think that you’re scared of unexpected outcomes of relationship, so you shut them off all together.”

                      nope not scared at all…i already know the outcome…or at least what the outcome maybe…the risks no really worth it…but at this point ehh im cool lol

                      “Or, go to therapy and attempt to figure out why they all end in vain. You know what they say, ‘everywhere you go, there you are’…”

                      i’ve explained why…its human nature…pretty simple–as to why we do the things that we do that’s another discussion…but the premise is we do them

                      “We couldn’t date; you don’t even believe in romantic relationships. Why would I waste my time giving you a glimpse of my awesomeness when you wouldn’t know what to do with it? ?”

                      lmao you got jokes haha

                      “But, seriously, HA, I can sense there’s more to your story based on the type of relationships that you’ve seen this far – especially your parents’. It wouldn’t hurt to explore it in a professional setting.”

                      see what i mean? i figured this will be the conclusion…not that i view myself that way “i need to go sit down and babble to someone that im paying” lol im good my money go into investments and more important matters…i’ve shrugged them off long ago..life goes on A is A :) people make their choices…what’s funny though is when someone does something that is supposed to hurt you and you don’t get mad? man lmao

                    • Blueberry01

                      “see what i mean? i figured this will be the conclusion…not that i view myself that way “i need to go sit down and babble to someone that im paying” lol im good my money go into investments and more important matters…i’ve shrugged them off long ago..life goes on A is A :) people make their choices…”

                      Uh, you’ve been babbling to me for the last couple of days for free, and I’m not a professional. You might as well get someone who can accurately guide you, and lead you to a place of healing.

                      But to each his own.

                      “what’s funny though is when someone does something that is supposed to hurt you and you don’t get mad? man lmao”

                      Uh oh, did I miss you throwing shade at me? Sorry, HA.

                      Or, were you referring to yourself about something else?

                    • Hugh Akston

                      “Uh, you’ve been babbling to me for the last couple of days for free”

                      you’re right i talked (wrote?) too much

                      “Uh oh, did I miss you throwing shade at me? Sorry, HA.
                      Or, were you referring to yourself about something else?”

                      lol no shade at all…i try to be as direct as possible but was broadly speaking

                      no worries i’ll find my little corner

                      cheers :)

                    • Blueberry01
                    • Hugh Akston

                      feel like im working backwards here lol

                      its not a concern…its just to show that person A declaring love for person B…its all the same…on the surface…they are mere words…deeper feelings can still belonged to another person…but humans are very good at deceptions that is my point…marry person B say you are the love of my life and there is no one else for me but you…then changes for person C and say “you are the love of my life and there is no one else for me but you”..then changes mind for person D ad infinitum see the problem?

                    • Blueberry01

                      “marry person B say you are the love of my life and there is no one else for me but you…then changes for person C and say “you are the love of my life and there is no one else for me but you”..then changes mind for person D ad infinitum see the problem?”

                      But you’re not identifying WHY they changed from B to D; you’re only identifying that it occurred.

                      What is B passed away, then C became abusive?

                      Was she supposed to never get married again?

                      Or, is she not allowed to leave C because she reached her love limit?

                    • Blueberry01
                    • Hugh Akston

                      unfortunately in the real two negatives do not give you a positive….just more headaches lol

                      but by the time i laid my flaws on the table man they run away which is fine with me…some of taken the risk but they couldn’t hold up their end of the bargain so life marches on

                      what does deeper* feelings mean? but that is where the disconnect is for me…words do not mean much….actions are what count and this is where i go back to person A declaring love for person B, and then C

                      love is a committment…for how long? you can say you won’t disrespect or be unfaithful but how does your words prevent your actions? they don’t…can’t…and that’s the problem…humans have the freedom to betray their own words…and ultimately that’s what we do lol

                      where did the love go?

                    • Blueberry01

                      1) “what does deeper* feelings mean? but that is where the disconnect is for me…words do not mean much….actions are what count and this is where i go back to person A declaring love for person B, and then C”

                      I believe there are different “depths”, and thus expressions, of love. The love that you have for a new pair of shoes < close friend < family (children, siblings, husband) < God.

                      I (probably) wouldn't give a close friend my kidney, but I would to a family member.

                      2) "love is a committment…for how long?"
                      For me, I would commit for as long as my spouse committed to me. I'm not interested in being in an unhealthy, one-sided relationship.

                      "you can say you won't disrespect or be unfaithful but how does your words prevent your actions? they don't…can't…and that's the problem…humans have the freedom to betray their own words…and ultimately that's what we do lol"

                      I don't agree with this.

                      If you can commit to a job, and not do things that jeopardize your income, you can commit to a person. One way is to ensure that you are fulfilled with your life (e.g. professionally, physically, socially, etc.) before getting into a relationship, so you don't fall into the trap of insecurity. You can also put time and effort getting to know your spouse so you can build a solid foundation of trust, honesty, and enjoyment.

                      Now, are there some people who CHOOSE not be faithful? Absolutely. But there are typically signs beforehand that you'll be able to identify.

                    • Blueberry01

                      “but that is where the disconnect is for me…words do not mean much….actions are what count and this is where i go back to person A declaring love for person B, and then C”

                      This is what I think you should explore in therapy – and how you can have a healthier view of relationships.

                      It seems that words have not meant much to you since they have been misaligned with their subsequent actions.

                    • Blueberry01
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                    • Hugh Akston

                      i’m still looking for that definition of love :)

                      how can you declare love* to someone you’re not committed to? why would someone want to do that?

                      almond milk is good stay with it

                    • Blueberry01

                      “how can you declare love* to someone you’re not committed to? why would someone want to do that?”

                      It’s so interesting that you said this (as I figured this was your underlying perspective).

                      The bottom line is we have different value systems: I believe love comes before a commitment, while you believe commitment comes before love. The main premise in big is ultimately wanting security in your partner before you make that plunge.

                      I would want to have love first before a commitment because I honestly don’t want to commit to someone that I have no remote interest in, much less love him.

                      But, let me know it how works for you when you commit to a woman in marriage BEFORE you tell her you love her.

      • chazb

        I never said she had a right to cheat on him, I said she was wrong for that. I am referring to them showing another side of women. Women, especially black women, tend to be portrayed as willing to be there for their man no matter what. Issa was selfish, some women are. I think its refreshing to show the many facets of black women, good and bad.

      • Scorpiogoddess??

        ABSOLUTELY. She got what she served AND DESERVED.

    • TheUnsungStoryteller

      I like the show for that reason as well. I really want to counsel them!

      • chazb

        Yes girl, counseling for sure. Molly and Jared made me want to scream. Talking about not seeing what’s in front of you.I almost didn’t want him to give her a chance, she didn’t deserve it.

        • TheUnsungStoryteller

          Girl! I was so happy when he shut the door in her face! She needed that, for sure.

          • chazb

            Yes!!! She is too focused on the unimportant things. She has in her mind the type of man she deserves but what does she have to offer? Meanwhile this good man is putting up with her nonsense. When he revealed that secret, she was so judgmental. If I was him I would have been completely turned off. Fool me once and all that.

            • MsCee

              So, you’d be open to dating a guy that told you that he had slept with another man once?

              • gem

                yep

                • MsCee

                  I can respect it. My response and attitude wouldn’t have been the same as Molly’s but I definitely think that would be a deal breaker for me.

    • PriceIsRightHorns

      Molly was cringeworthy most of the time. She needs to go and find some business or hug a pet monkey and stop asking this dude that you barely know why he didn’t text you back last night because you were concerned for his safety. Girl BYE.

      • chazb

        You ain’t never lied, there were times I wanted to jump through the tv and strangle her. But I’m digging the flaws. I’m tired of the strong black woman thing, it’s cool to get a view on other kinds of women because they exist. Does it make her any less annoying? Nope, not at all, lol

        • PriceIsRightHorns

          Lol, true. It seemed as if she felt some type of way about everything. It will be interesting to see how her character develops throughout the series.

          It’s refreshing to see a wide range of characters and new shows that are truly unique.

          • chazb

            And I hope she does develop because I don’t think we need multiple seasons of her nonsense.

      • O

        She should have gotten with the Asian guy.

        • Eri Cad

          he seemed really sweet and she should stood there stank

        • PriceIsRightHorns

          Lol. Bless her heart.

      • Cleojonz

        See that instance was the least of her transgressions to me and shows you the difference between the way women and men think sometimes. Her asking Chris if he meant it that he was her boyfriend was 20X more cringeworthy. As soon as the words left her mouth I yelled NOOOO at the tv.

        • PriceIsRightHorns

          That was the worst, but I watched the majority of her scenes with a “what are you doing sis?” look on my face.

    • Blueberry01

      “She literally has no clue that she is clingy and feels like because she’s a good catch in all the ways that matter to her, men should be dropping at her feet. How many women complain about there being no good men but never looking at their choices and behavior?”

      #TRUTHonTRUTH I’m telling you, we are the prideful ones — and that’s how we get in our own way sometimes.

      • chazb

        Lol, women swear men are the only ones with nonsense going on. That couldn’t be further from the truth. There is equal blame to be shared alot of times.

        • Blueberry01

          Very true! I own my trifliness…lol.

    • Cleojonz

      “I love that Molly is oblivious as to why she can’t snag a good man. She
      literally has no clue that she is clingy and feels like because she’s a
      good catch in all the ways that matter to her, men should be dropping at
      her feet.”

      Its such little stupid things though and it shows you how irrational men could be. Remember that date she went on and it was like date 3 and he was talking about how glad their dates were not a one and done? After that she asked him about a thing for work and mentioned he was supossed to text her when he got home she just wanted to make sure he got home ok. He was mmm right. That should not have been a reason for him to cut her off already. I can see being oblivious to stuff like that. To her its being considerate and caring, to him its all the red flags.

      • chazb

        You are right, the men aren’t totally exempt. Sadly some of them are like skittish horses. You make any sudden movements and they jet,lol. I think she mentions that. How there seems to be no way to win. I do feel sympathy for her character (except when it comes to Jared because he seems really nice,lo), because dating is not easy. I understand why she gave Issa the side eye talking about leaving a good man, even with his flaws.

  • Hugh Akston

    So why do folks get in relationships again at this point? Remember when I was that guy haha #nomoproblems

    • Blueberry01

      So why do folks stay in dysfunctional relationships again at this point?

      There. I fixed it for you…

      • Hugh Akston

        ehhh isn’t all human romantic relationships involve some sort dysfunctionality? Lol

        But thanks for the correction doh

        • Blueberry01

          Yeah, uh, no.

          Although we may not be admitted to control when it comes our way, we ultimately chose to remain in dysfunction.

          Just like if you’re coding, and you try to run the program, and it doesn’t work. You either attempt to fix it or you abandon it. You’re not going to keep running the malfunctioning program and expecting it to work (when you KNOW it’s broken).

          • Hugh Akston

            But isn’t that the difference though? Humans are not programs (though there are those that believe this and one can argue for it but that’s another conversation)

            I can debug the code and find the line that’s causing the problem I’ll know the right syntax and where to look

            Human romantic relationships aren’t like that…you can’t force it to be fixed

            I understand your analogy but it falls short as the other person is independent she doesn’t need my input to behave in certain way “I can’t debug it”

            The other part is when you run a program if all your lines don’t match the program won’t work probably can’t run it

            Humans again can be deceitful things can be seen as perfect as they can be even though in reality one member has other motives

            That’s why I prefer coding in my little corner I have full control over myself and the program and if it doesn’t run properly find the problem and fix it without worrying it fighting back :)

            • Blueberry01

              Uh oh, did I strike a chord because you usually give me your typical, nonpassionate Eeyore responses. I guess I should have used coding analogies all along. Lol!

              “But isn’t that the difference though? Humans are not programs”

              Obviously, I know this, HA. I just needed to find something similar that you could relate to.

              “I can debug the code and find the line that’s causing the problem I’ll know the right syntax and where to look
              Human romantic relationships aren’t like that…you can’t force it to be fixed
              I understand your analogy but it falls short as the other person is independent she doesn’t need my input to behave in certain way “I can’t debug it”

              But you can, like a code, determine the nature of any problem in a HRR by knowing exactly where to look. Further, you’ll know the right “syntax” to use when communicating with her.

              Although, I believe the more important question is why would you want to “force” anything to “behave a certain way” in a romantic relationship?

              “The other part is when you run a program if all your lines don’t match the program won’t work probably can’t run it”

              Kind of like how you know it won’t “work” with a person you’re dating when you determine they are incompatible (has a non-complimentary personality and unshared values) with you?

              “Humans again can be deceitful things can be seen as perfect as they can be even though in reality one member has other motives”

              You mean, like the motive to control another person or have them behave in a certain way??

              Humans can also be loving, trustworthy, and have integrity as well. I’m wondering what experiences you’ve had in life that caused you to believe otherwise.

              “That’s why I prefer coding in my little corner I have full control over myself and the program and if it doesn’t run properly find the problem and fix it without worrying it fighting back :)”

              But that program can’t keep you warm at night…

              It sounds to me that you enjoy being able to control your environment and the outcomes it produces. Have you ever had an experience where you were in complete control of yourself, yet you could NOT control the outcome? If so, how did you handle it?

              Lastly, what’s wrong with “fighting back”? Typically, people fight back when they feel wronged by a situation. Have you not also had to fight to get what you wanted, even if it was for sheer respect, at times?

              • Hugh Akston

                lol i actually wrote a full response but deleted it all lmao bad habit but meh

                my corner will keep me warm, programs turn on the heat :)

                humans act as they want to, i have no desire to control anyone as i subscribe to free will

                i’ve seen the dark side of humans to know that romantic relationships are nothing but a facade..

                ever been in a club and observe human interactions? it’s simply fascinating

                i went to a wedding this year where the bride du jour was confessing how much she loves her new husband etc…if only he knew lmao but that’s human right? deceiving ourselves in an empty cosmos as we return to dust…

                i hope you find your happiness and whoever your knight is…and i see some folks that have found their happiness*….but too many times i know too much about their inner relationships…so why delude ourselves? why not be honest?

                • Blueberry01

                  “lol i actually wrote a full response but deleted it all lmao bad habit but meh”

                  It’s okay, you can thank me in another post.

                  “i’ve seen the dark side of humans to know that romantic relationships are nothing but a facade..”

                  Are ALL romantic relationships this way or just the ones YOU’VE seen?

                  “i went to a wedding this year where the bride du jour was confessing how much she loves her new husband etc…”

                  Bride du jour = bride of the day? Why would confessing her love to a new husband be a problem?

                  “but too many times i know too much about their inner relationships…so why delude ourselves? why not be honest?”

                  I agree with this. I think a lot of unhealthy relationships start off with dishonesty. But this just means that you need to be honest with whomever you’re dealing with – if that, in fact, is a value you hold.

                  • Hugh Akston

                    “Are ALL romantic relationships this way or just the ones YOU’VE seen?”

                    most if not all why? humans

                    “Why would confessing her love to a new husband be a problem?”

                    lol its not a problem for me…its not that it is a problem per se…but would confessing her love to a 3rd, 4th, 5th be a problem? i say not…however it isn’t nothing special…just mere words of the game…that’s been said…i mean think about it…would you accept a ring from someone knowing that same ring was given to someone else? i mean is that really a problem for someone to give that ring?

                    “But this just means that you need to be honest with whomever you’re dealing with – if that, in fact, is a value you hold.”

                    lol that’s the problem…from living my own life…and observing humans one thing that’s becoming clearer is how much we hate the truth or truths…being in romantic relationships means compromise…and one of those things is the truth…we can’t really be truly open with one another…there will always be something hidden…things that can’t be said outright…hence why i im single :)…i tried to be honest and do the right* thing (s) but that was never sufficient lol

                    • Blueberry01

                      “lol its not a problem for me…its not that it is a problem per se…but would confessing her love to a 3rd, 4th, 5th be a problem? i say not…however it isn’t nothing special…just mere words of the game…that’s been said…i mean think about it…would you accept a ring from someone knowing that same ring was given to someone else? i mean is that really a problem for someone to give that ring?”

                      The ring is a symbol of commitment to me and me alone. Not that I’m the first or only person who they’ve ever committed their love.

                      So, although a ring is a nice gesture, I would be MORE upset if my man was unfaithful or was intentionally harmful/disrespectful to me. However, if I or he ever lost either of rings, but he was still faithful and not harmful, it will be all good.

                      As for why, he’s been married multiple times, I’d explore that before I accepted the ring to deem if it would impact our marriage.

                      If that’s the case, you intend to marry a non-widowed virgin; you’ve never worked for an outside employer (because God forbid they commit to pay anyone else BUT you or before/after they’ve hired you); and you built every form of housing that you’ve ever stayed in (because knowing that someone rented the apartment before you or stayed in the hotel room the night before would be a travesty).

                    • Hugh Akston

                      so i’ve been sitting here for the past couple of hours trying to create this game that i used to play way back and i couln’t stop laughing thinking about the previous convo lmao

                      wait so you wouldn’t be upset someone gave you the same ring that he gave to someone else? i don’t know any other woman that would have accepted it

                      “If that’s the case, you intend to marry a non-widowed virgin;”

                      lmao i don’t intend to marry remember? but nah lol

                      and of course i’ve worked for different employers…but you’re proving my point though…just another employee…someone who can do the job for the time being until boredom kicks in or something happens…then tis for a new one…you must not know about me you must not know about me lmao

                    • Blueberry01

                      “wait so you wouldn’t be upset someone gave you the same ring that he gave to someone else? i don’t know any other woman that would have accepted it”

                      Did he say “here’s the ring that I gave to my ex”? Or, did I see a picture of his ex with it on? How exactly would I know?

                      “you must not know about me you must not know about me lmao”

                      Actually, I do, HA. You remind me a lot of my ex…and interestingly enough, he thought he was irreplaceable.

                    • Hugh Akston

                      “Did he say “here’s the ring that I gave to my ex”? Or, did I see a picture of his ex with it on? How exactly would I know?”

                      He told you

                      “Actually, I do, HA. You remind me a lot of my ex.”

                      is there an opposite version of “you remind me”? lol

                      “he thought he was irreplaceable.”

                      that’s a silly thought to hold…i guess he found it in the end lol

                    • Blueberry01

                      Well, if he told me that was his ex’s ring, then that would be different. I wouldn’t feel endeared by receiving the ring.

                      I also haven’t found an antonym for “remind”, but I’ll let you know when I do! ?

  • MsCee

    I’m here for this review. Nice. Oh and I’m currently lurking on your blog, found what I’ll be reading for the next few days.

  • rhymeswithbrucelee

    I wouldn’t say the men are winning the morality game. All those guys Molly went out with trying to hit that after a couple glasses of wine?? Boy bye

    These are women who can’t definitively make up their mind. I was was cheering for Issa when she and Daniel got together. I thought for sure that was the beginning of them and the end of Lawrence. But there she go being a whimp. I felt like she couldn’t afford the rent by herself and she didn’t want to explain to people why she’s breaking up with her long term boo at the age when she should be getting married.

    • TheUnsungStoryteller

      Ehhhh….I can’t stand Daniel. Don’t you remember when he said that he wasn’t looking for a relationship and that kind of pushed her away? The only reason she got with him is because 1. he has a job and 2. he showed up for the career day. oh and 3. she had an itch to scratch.

      If they ever got together, they wouldn’t work out in the long run. He’s a fuccboi.

      • rhymeswithbrucelee

        That’s possible but remember he did apologize and he also seemed genuinely upset by Issa’s cold shoulder. In any case Issa needed Daniel to leave Lawrence cause she doesn’t have the backbone to walked away by herself. If her and Daniel didn’t work out in the long run that’s fine

        • TheUnsungStoryteller

          Maybe it’s just me…I just can’t stand him. lol…he just puts a bad taste in my mouth. I think he was just there for the hook ups.

          • charisma_supreme

            That back looked nice though. ???

        • Madam CJ_Skywalker

          Daniel got upset cause he got played.
          Him and Issa def woulda crashed and burned.

          Issa, Daniel, Lawrence all just need to be single for a sec…forreal

        • Brother Mouzone

          I have a feeling they’ll be back together next season.

          • Brother Mouzone

            Issa and Lawrence

          • rhymeswithbrucelee

            Absolutely

      • charisma_supreme

        You shole right. Then wanted answers. They make fun of women allatime for that

        • rhymeswithbrucelee

          They sure do!

        • TheUnsungStoryteller

          Right!!! Then, he became clingy! Ugh…I really can’t stand it when guys are like that. I’m so glad the show highlighted how guys can be clingy as well.

          • Brooklyn_Bruin

            He wanted to get with Ol girl. This wasn’t some jump off. He BEEN wondering how come they couldn’t make it happen.

            And Issa knew that. Just like her fanatics knew that. But rather than stand with the righteous, they defend the wicked

      • HoobaStankyLeg

        Daniel can choke. He got one little taste and all that I don’t want a relationship mess went right out the window. Like dang, what did you expect? I told you my guy and I got back together… You know, I’m starting to feel like nobody listens to each other when they talk on this show.

        • TheUnsungStoryteller

          Everybody is such a hot mess on this show. What makes it so great is that this is real life….lol Do we honestly listen to one another in reality? About what we want and expect from one another?

          • HoobaStankyLeg

            I do. But what I say usually goes unheard until they look up and see my Best Buy shirt hanging in the closet. *Sighs* It did my heart proud to see that lone blue shirt. Wait, and the keys on the counter.

            • rhymeswithbrucelee

              Where he staying tho? He put on his big boy pants…to go live with the bank teller lady?

              • HoobaStankyLeg

                I guess we won’t know til we know. He can always get a hotel. Member? He had savings and just got a new job.

              • Brad G

                well now my guy got a job, plus he had an ample amount of savings (according to Bank Teller Tasha), and he was paying bills+groceries with Issa. I don’t think he was broke, just down on his luck.

                • MsSula

                  Plus dude drives a Jaguar. He is not hard up for cash at all.

                  • Cleojonz

                    I think it was a volvo, an older model one at that.

              • Brother Mouzone

                Bank teller lady is not a step down like ya’ll making it seem. She’s got goals and aspirations and more importantly, she BELIEVES in Lawrence and his vision. That is big in the eyes of most men, sometimes as big as attractiveness…and she’s waaaay more attractive than Issa.

                • rhymeswithbrucelee

                  I’m not saying it’s a step down. What I’m saying is he’s going to leave the apartment he shared with Issa and start living in this lady’s apartment the next day??

        • MsCee

          “You know, I’m starting to feel like nobody listens to each other when they talk on this show.” You know they do say art imitates life.

      • XavierCarter

        I agree but I can’t be the only one who picked up how Daniel was once curved by Issa back at school and actually may have really liked her all this time (ex. That story he told the kids about Issa’s rap skills during career day). He may genuinely want Issa or he just wants to get the last laugh with a woman who has been curving him

    • charisma_supreme

      Re, Issa/Lawrence: Sometimes a bird in the hand looks better than 2 in the bush. Even if that bird aint seasoned.

      • FarbissinaPunim

        Girl, you saying it all. Hindsight is 20/20.

    • Medium Meech

      I mean, how long did you want them to wait to let their intentions be known? We just can’t win.

      And no one sees the irony in leaving an unemployed guy for a rapper/producer? No one?

      • Brad G

        YOOOOOOO I was just saying she left the IT guy for a soundcloud producer!

      • -h.h.h.-

        i didn’t watch the series, but i guess one of them had … “ambition”….

        *chuckles* #andThenTheyWonderwhy

      • Sweet Potato Kai ?

        But she didn’t leave him. She just wanted to find out what if!

        • Medium Meech

          The only thing that stopped her was ol’ boy telling her to pump her breaks after they reconnected after one night.

      • Brass Tacks

        Stop speaking Truf, Meech.

    • MsCee

      I feel like Daniel and Issa would literally be the worst couple EVER.

  • Brooklyn_Bruin

    Team Issa?

    Who did you vote for in the past election Sir?

  • she

    Lawrence is Insecure. The final episode came full circle with the title and its relation to ALL the characters. His actions in the closing scenes revealed that he felt he had something to prove… that he was valuable to someone, worthy of attention, unfortunately at the expense of Tasha the bank teller. Lawrence didn’t want to be the “RNB guy in his feelings,” like his friend said he was. His willingness to get lost in someone else’s vxgina immediately after a breakup tells me that he wasn’t secure in that he was this great boyfriend in the relationship. He went after the person who fed his ego with compliments (which proves to me it doesn’t take much for people to be viewed as supportive) and found solace in the most emptiest vessel s*x. I loved it though because it proved to me that Issa and Lawrence both deserve each other’s insecure a**es!

    • Brooklyn_Bruin

      Or he just gave them assets a good thrashing (c) Biggie Smalls

    • TheUnsungStoryteller

      That’s a good analysis. I haven’t seen the final episode yet…but by the looks of the trailer at the end of episode 5, it looked extremely predictable.

    • cyanic

      Girlfriend got what she wanted (Tasha). Down the line she won’t care that Lawrence doesn’t love her because all she wanted was the immediacy of his presence and for him to have no attachments so he could smash properly.

    • One way to get over someone is to get under another

      • rhymeswithbrucelee

        One of my favorite soca songs of 2017

        https://youtu.be/W0G58jhifTY

        • Blueberry01

          :wining my stress away:

          • BeautifulSunshine

            That is necessary many a times

        • BeautifulSunshine

          It is last week as I was looking for something I realise that they started to drop songs. In thinking about it Feb/March is not far away/

        • Simms~

          Come thru Farmer Nappy with the pearls of wisdom.

    • Diar

      “His willingness to get lost in someone else’s vxgina immediately after a breakup tells me that he wasn’t secure in that he was this great boyfriend in the relationship.”

      Uh, of course he’s insecure. She rarely made him feel like a great boyfriend. He’s with a woman who for what seems like for years had been dissatisfied with him, regularly takes jabs at his work efforts, actually leaves him but comes back, smashes another guy, and lies, all while he’s curving hot chicks, cooking, cleaning, supporting her goals, and fixing her problems. Please, many people would feel inadequate, question their worth, lash out, and act out of character if their partners treated them that way. Issa and Lawrence are not some equally damaged people who deserve each other. She is a dirtbag and he deserves much better.

      • HouseOfBonnets

        Soooo we’re gonna act like we didn’t get introduced to the story right before his glow up phase? also the fact that she was actually stalling in her career? also she has been carrying the brunts of finances and emotions (stated/explained/supported in episode 2 or 3 (taco truck scene). Yes issa is trash but Lawrence is far from innocent.

        • MsSula

          I don’t think she was carrying the brunt financially… at all.

          • MsCee

            He wasn’t working so who was paying the bills? The bill fairy?

            • pls

              I said it yesterday…it’s easy for tasha to be supportive when she ain’t financially supporting his lifestyle.

            • B-Dot Willz

              Any update on that bill fairy? I need them to come my way

              • MsCee

                Been searching for years now…still haven’t located one.

      • MsSula

        Totally agree.

    • Blueberry01

      “His willingness to get lost in someone else’s vxgina immediately after a breakup tells me that he wasn’t secure in that he was this great boyfriend in the relationship. He went after the person who fed his ego with compliments (which proves to me it doesn’t take much for people to be viewed as supportive) and found solace in the most emptiest vessel s*x.”

      A lot of men do this.

      • Conrad Bess

        So do women.

        I haven’t watched the show, but I have experienced humanity, and I can understand Lawrence’s listening to Written on Ya Kitten in his head while backstrokin’ Tasha.

        We ALL want validation/acknowledgement in our relationships. Even as kids. There have been times that one of my daughters may be looking at me to confirm that I’ve been watching her dance, or build something with her blocks, and I’m engrossed in my phone or book. Then I hear from the wife I wasn’t paying attention. From the comment section, I’ve gathered that Lawrence, while gainfully unemployed, tries in other ways to contribute. And this Issa character has been doing him dirty.

        He sought validation elsewhere. And the vast majority of us usually do that in the bed of someone else. His only mistake was that was unfair to Tasha.

        • Blueberry01

          Well stated and fair points, CB.

          (I haven’t seen all of the episodes either so I can’t fully comment.)

          But, I will concur to the fact that you should pay attention to your daughters. There’s nothing like the love and validation from a father!

          • Conrad Bess

            As incredibly mundane this 9-5 is, there is nothing like my little ones running up to me when I get home from work.

            And I do pay attention, it’s that they want it on their terms! I’ll be playing with them and they want to be left alone to their own devices. It’s when I want my lil time that they decide it’s time for daddy to look at me!

            • Blueberry01

              Awww…how old are they? (I’m guessing younger than five?) I’m glad that you see and appreciate the reciprocal emotional impact that a father has with his daughter.

              Yes, that’s understandable. Establishing social boundaries is also important.

              “[CB’s daughter’s name], now it’s time for you to play by yourself while Daddy plays by himself.”

              LOL!

              • Conrad Bess

                2. It’s true that daughters soften you up. The wife always says I’d be tough on a boy if we had one. I do try to set boundaries, but they hit me with their smiles and it’s over. The wife will be the villain in this dynamic as they get older.

                • Blueberry01

                  Wait, you have twins?!? Identical or fraternal?

                  Well, they do say mothers raise their daughters, while they love their sons.

                  So, I guess fathers raise their sons and love their daughters.

                  • Conrad Bess

                    Fraternal. So much work, that work is my actual break from them.

                    • Blueberry01

                      LOL!

        • Scorpiogoddess??

          No it was not unfair to Tasha. She was pursuing a TAKEN man. Oh well.

    • pls

      tell my ex about his life why don’t you?!

    • ALL of this. and he didnt even look happy doing it.

  • HoobaStankyLeg

    Wow. I actually identified more with Lawrence and I was low key happy he did what he did. Everyone seems to forget the fact that this is what Issa wanted from him in the beginning. Or at least what she thought she wanted. She even hinted she might want him to hit her. I know it was a way of saying show some passion. But still. If my money isn’t right, chex is the last thing on my mind. I don’t understand people who don’t understand that sometimes life is boring and hard and we don’t always get our way. But she made her bed. Now she has to lay in it. Without Lawrence, or his pillow.

    • Sweet Potato Kai ?

      People are in their feelings about that pillow and Best Buy shirt!!

      • HoobaStankyLeg

        Bwahahaha! It was villainous and I got my life!

      • charisma_supreme

        This is what i wanna know…. did he set her up for that hard L, or did he actually want to talk things through but got triggered back at their house and couldn’t do it? If the former… he really is a savage.

        • Brad G

          I’m going with the former… I mean that was an RKO-outta-nowhere type move he hit Issa with. And I, for one, am allllllllll for it. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/7945c143e2f5df51dbcb4836159c9d05f8842d15841887b3eccfa15185e7663e.gif

        • DeebaCee

          I say it’s the latter. Something about seeing that tattered, discarded ‘bouch’ being used by a bunch of other guys on his way in to the apartment flipped the script for him.

        • MsCee

          I think that the idea of paying for chex (strip club chick) coupled with listening to his homeboys talk absolutely crazy had him missing what he was used to (Issa) but ohhhh when he walked in that house of lies. The spirit of Yung Dro took over and he said FDB and packed all his ish…and pillows lmfao.

          • charisma_supreme

            Lolol! Spirit of Yung Dro and Spirit of K Camp ?”it aint nun to cut that bih off” ?

        • Sweet Potato Kai ?

          He (Jay Ellis) said in an interview that he got triggered. I blame that damn bouch.

          • charisma_supreme

            Yall Bloods are killing me in this comment section

          • pls

            the bouch as symbol for their rship was really interesting. they tried to replace it but the old one just stayed out front.

            • Sweet Potato Kai ?

              That’s an interesting protective. Let’s just hope it’s gone by season 2!

      • HouseOfBonnets

        Because it was peak petty.

    • rhymeswithbrucelee

      That’s more than just boring…when homeboy is unemployed and working on his business plan for how long??? He had no sense of urgency.

      • HoobaStankyLeg

        I get that. But it wasn’t like he wasn’t out looking for a job, the man even took a job at Best Buy when he knew it was beneath him. I’m sorry, Issa was selfish. Not being able to get a job was out of his control, and he was still working on a side business as well, cooking and cleaning too!

        • cyanic

          He could have gotten the Best Buy job earlier so he wouldn’t have to be on the couch all that time.

          • Coming home seeing him on the bouch… day in and day out…. did take a toll.

        • rhymeswithbrucelee

          He wasn’t working on his business he was working on his business plan! LOL SMH It took him a looong time to finally take that Best Buy job AND when he got that tech job he seriously thought about turning it down to continue working on his “business”

          • cyanic

            THIS.

            • HouseOfBonnets

              All of this

          • HoobaStankyLeg

            Yea, but he also said he was two years ahead of the company he went to work for which leads me to believe that he was working on both. I’ve actually made a business plan, after about 3 years of prototyping. It kind of goes hand in hand.

            • HouseOfBonnets

              True but the Start Up/App venture field is thick especially given his location. Plus not saying that it’s right but he is a black male, dude should have known he was gonna have to hold a day job to cover necessities before he broke into the game. As someone who isn’t an entrepreneur but has studied/researched many they will tell you that it’s not easy some had to provide and work on the master plan.

              • HoobaStankyLeg

                This is true. Listen, I could understand if he was getting high, drinking or partying with his boys. I’m just saying that he wasn’t an a s s to her. He job hunted, he worked on his own stuff, he cooked and cleaned and even brought up that he had a girlfriend even though he had ole girl throwing it at him at every turn. I can understand him being down can be irritating but to step out on him when he’s simply surviving is trash on trash. Especially whit Daniel. Like, really?!

                • HouseOfBonnets

                  True she is trash especially for cheating after recommitting and not being foward with her issues but he was on the tail end of a long unemployment break/start up break and since I’ve been there I understood the frustration too well (I didn’t do what she did but I understood).

                  • HoobaStankyLeg

                    I feel you. I haven’t been in that situation so maybe that is why I view Issa as being a bit selfish. I understand being bored. I understand being frustrated. But I feel like if I were ever lucky enough to find a man that respects me like Lawrence respected Issa, I’d like to think that something as simple as not being able to find a job wouldn’t make me go out and jump on the next d i c k boy. *Beyonce Voice*

                    Maybe it’s just me. Lawrence never struck me as shiftless. There is a difference between being a shiftless one and just being hard up. He fell on hard times and instead of her being a bit more compassionate about the situation and looking at the situation from as many angles as possible, she decided to be selfish. I have sympathy for Issa because we all want a man we can poke our chests out and be proud of. But at the end of the day, I’ve never been one to try and impress people either. If we in it, we in it together. But once you step out, let the chips fall where they may.

                    • this was also the end. we don’t know how long she was compassionate. perhaps she was and his perceived laziness killed that.

                    • HoobaStankyLeg

                      I thought about that too. Maybe, being that he works on a computer where you cannot physically see the work being put out has something to do with it. There is something about being able to actually see the progress that is being made. But with his line of work, you kinda just have to take his word for it.

              • MsSula

                I think y’all are missing a key information. Lawrence does not seem broke at all. He actually seems to come from money (he doesn’t seem to relate to Issa’s stories about Inglewood, he drives a Jaguar, etc…).
                What Issa has been complaining about is not that Lawrence does not support financially. It is that they seem to be “stuck” doing the same thing, like they are already an old married couple. This was Issa’s gripe…. not the financial support.

                • HouseOfBonnets

                  I may have to re watch earlier episodes because Lawrence financial background and the Jag totally missed me lol but as far as the financial weight on her I remember her complaining about it to Molly at the taco truck. The being stagnant played a role but given her actions when his next move/career came up anywhere I feel like she felt a way.

                • HouseOfBonnets

                  Plus although this doesn’t mean he’s not from money he was on unemployment.

          • Brother Mouzone

            Yeah, but Tasha was excited about his “plan” when he told her about it.

            • rhymeswithbrucelee

              That’s cause she hasn’t had to sit around and watch him think about his plan for four years

        • Cleojonz

          Not being able to get a job was not out of his control because it had been years since he even tried. He was the reason for the gaps in his resume that caused him to be unemployable at the level at which he thought he should be. Most people starting a business do so while still being employed by someone else. You can’t put all your eggs in one basket.

      • XavierCarter

        Yeah he had zero urgency, but also Issa’s communication skills were below zero. She was dissatisfied, bored , disappointed but at no point did she directly communicate that. Alot of passive aggressiveness, jabs etc that hurt more than helped. If she was that tired she really could have walked away instead of behaving how she did towards Lawrence. Folks will say you don’t just walk from 5+ years, but again where was the communication

    • cyanic

      Some women hold onto bums because all they offer is good chex. Like grimy Crips.

      • HoobaStankyLeg

        *Chuckles* True.

      • The way Lawrence fed the bank teller, I could see that.

      • HouseOfBonnets

        See Ashely and Don from black in crew chicago lol

    • Blueberry01

      “But still. If my money isn’t right, chex is the last thing on my mind.”

      YUP. Gentlemen, and it’s not just money. There’s something about coming home to no dishes in the sink and the bathroom being cleaned…

      • HoobaStankyLeg

        Say. That!

        Hey Berries!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

        • Blueberry01

          Hey, HSL!!!?

          Did you have a good holiday?

  • Brad G

    I still don’t see how people wanted to see Issa and Daniel together. Dude was peak f-ckboy. Daniel popped up at the job. TWICE. My people, stop dating folks that have no regard for your ability to provide for yourself. Plus he switches his intentions up, first talking about “I’m not looking for a relationship” then professing his love on a tuxedo couch in a music studio. WYD?

    • FarbissinaPunim

      Cuz he fine and got African tendencies. Lol

      • TheUnsungStoryteller

        LMAO…I see what you are saying….

      • Blueberry01

        Girl, that could be a good thing AND a bad thing.

    • TheUnsungStoryteller

      RIGHT!!!! Thank you!!! He is the SUPREME KING of f-ckboys!!!! He just gets on my last nerves. Just like he was an itch to scratch for Issa, SHE was an itch to scratch for him as well.

    • Brass Tacks

      Even though people like to claim otherwise. Aintsht niccas, Fcukbois & Hoteps are always winning.

      • Brad G

        man. Even Molly admitted to bangin the Hotep after he was on the bs

        • Brass Tacks

          YUP!

          • Blueberry01

            Nope, BT!

            Hang up your hoe-ish ways, please.

            #BrassBerry2017 I can’t do this if you outchea in these streets slanging all indiscriminately.

            • Brass Tacks

              Now thats a change I can believe in.

              • Blueberry01

                BT, is your avi a Metro sign or Chapstick?

                • Brass Tacks

                  Its a Metro sign.

        • Deeds

          Wait, wait, who was the Hotep Molly was banging? Jidenna’s character?

          • Brad G

            when she was breaking down the dating apps, she talked about a guy in a militant jacket talking that Kings and Queens stuff. She said she bagged him because he was fine but that was it.

        • MsSula

          Hey, if you shut down your mind long enough and squint your eyes real hard, banging a hotep ain’t half bad. These nuccas are not doing anything so ample times to develop their stroke game. LMAO.

      • cyanic

        Because men are wanted. If the equipment works and the hygiene is fair what else do you need when you want to feel good Halle Berry style?

        • Blueberry01

          A man that is faithful and can keep you interested. There’s nothing worse than someone who cheats, is boring, or lacks personality.

          You can’t chex all day long…although I’ve tri,..I mean, nevermind.

      • Hugh Akston

        No you lie

        You mean to tell me that those kind of men still get W? Even with hold it down women college educated?

        Yeah don’t believe that women like nice guys not those f bois

        Stop the lie mayn

        /s

        • Brass Tacks

          College educated women are industrious, world savvy, and goal oriented beyond reproach.

          That doesnt mean they arent above being on the same ish as everyone else.

          Cause Human.

    • chazb

      A handsome face and swag can convince people to tolerate alot sadly, lol.

      • TheUnsungStoryteller

        ‘Tis is true…

        • chazb

          For men and women,lol. Some people got it like that, and I have met a few lord knows…

      • Brass Tacks

        *Searches for the lie.

        • Medium Meech

          Brass, pack it in. There’s no lie here to be seen. Sorry you came out all this way for nothing.

          • Brass Tacks

            But I brought my binoculars and errythang.

            • Blueberry01

              LOL!

      • Just like fugly, with money.

        • chazb

          Oh yes for sure. That money was able to make even Donald Trump attractive to women. If that ain’t the work of the devil I don’t know what is.

          • BeautifulSunshine

            I think that has been his major attraction.

            • chazb

              Because you know he is repulsive as a person not just the looks, so you have to seriously have your eyes on the prize with that one.

          • Cori Hoston

            LUCIFERS HANDIWORK…
            #4realz

            • chazb

              I’m saying, lol. That was an intricate design of devilry right there.

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    • HouseOfBonnets

      He knew ty dolla sign….that was literally a sign lol

      • Valerie

        I do like me some Ty Dolla Sign music tho lol

        • HouseOfBonnets

          Love ty but he’s a dreaded trey songz lol

    • XavierCarter

      Interesting. Could it also be that Daniel (who once wanted to be with Issa back at school but got rejected (?)) , was still hurt about nothing happening between the two and went full blown savage. When Issa reached out he thought he’d play it cool/uninterested/hard to get (once bitten, twice shy) and those feelings he once had came back up causing him to act wild (the calling, showing up a lot). Everyone has that one that got away and now Daniel lost on Issa TWICE.

      I think it’s too late for Daniel and Issa. They’re are different people now. Everybody on the show except the engaged chick should be alone for now and have some introspection

      • Blueberry01

        Interesting point.

        I do know some dudes who hold onto grudges for mad long!

      • Eri Cad

        When she said he was just an itch she needed to scratch I knew he would never speak to her again. At least I wouldn’t.

      • Cleojonz

        Except that he never actually had that grudge. This was that reunion shoot your shot game and see if she falls for it. “I had the biggest crush on you in h.s. but you never paid me any mind blah blah blah.”

      • Brad G

        I don’t think he’s her “one” that got away. She was just the person who was showing him attention at the time and he wanted to finesse that into a W for him.

    • Avery

      Exactly. After already knowing Issa was in a relationship. Definitely a fuckboy.

    • YES I”m like WHY does he just keep popping up at her job to whine about how she’s not texting him…homie you gotta cut it out!

      • Right. That’s unacceptable.

      • KingsCounty

        Because Issa never stalked him on FB and showed up and his job? I love the show and I love how it shows how ppl have blind spots for their gender but recognize it when the other gender does it. Although he isn’t aware she completely stalked him and showed up to the club where he was working hoping to cheat, were aware of it.
        And why is everybody mad at Daniel initial rejection of a relationship with Issa when she had a whole man at that point. Like she felt rejected and insulted by hm, while having a whole boyfriend at home? Enough to ignore his calls like as if he did something wrong by not immediately pursuing a relationship. I was confused by that

        • Those situations are not comparable. That would be like if I knew you worked at Macy’s and because YOU reached out and said “happy bday…I miss you” I took an opportunity to see if you had a shift the next night.

          With Daniel, he was clearly being ignored, and his presence unwanted. He was unwilling to accept that and forced the issue.

          I don’t think he was wrong for not pursuing a relationship with Issa…but I do think he was wrong for not gracefully accepting his L and moving on with his life.

        • Steph Boogs

          Stalked? They communicated on FB Messenger and he invited her to the club that night. Issa and Lawrence were broken up that night, so technically she wouldn’t have cheated on him if something had happened with Daniel.

          Why should Daniel feel as if he’d done something wrong? She has a boyfriend and was no longer interested in fucking him. Just charge it to the game and move on. That’s what women are advised.

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  • FarbissinaPunim

    I have to admit I was Team Daniel all the way. Especially after seeing him put it on her on that studio bouch. But, I do think the only reason he was going so hard for her after that is because she sidelined him. If she had been clingy, she would’ve been the itch that needed scratching. That last 15 seconds though. Lord Jesus, Lawrence. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ecf3c7079b377a8a49393f570e43b0f61177f22e609c4e9adaf1782383716fe7.jpg https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/ea8d90fa112d185b3273cb010f4ea46a0b841cedaf9abe985a7e688c36df6911.jpg

    • That last meme is the truth though. Lawrence went full Savage, and I’m all the way here for it.

      • Cori Hoston

        I had to go see my man about a dog after that scene….
        #hauteTaDeath

      • Scorpiogoddess??

        As he should have.

    • chazb

      Daniel got all weird when she initially said said she couldn’t get involved when they were in the car and kissed. But then she left him alone and suddenly he’s popping up at her job unannounced. I agree it was a chase thing for him, especially when he brought up the fact that she didn’t take him seriously when they were younger. Oh and as a side note, there was lots of sexy man butt shown and I am here for it,lol.

      • FarbissinaPunim

        Girl…all that thrusting had my mouth juicy. ?

        • Brass Tacks

          No one is going to touch this?

          • Medium Meech

            You at the plate holding your bat, it’s too late to call for a pinch hitter.

            • Brass Tacks

              I guess when you put it that way…

              • Medium Meech

                Listen… if you wasn’t at the plate I would be pointing at the left field fence Babe Ruth style.

                • DreamDeferred

                  LMAO #Facts #AllFacts #DMTrap

        • Guest

          My mouth wasn’t the only thing that was juicy watching that scene on that bouch

        • chazb

          Hahahaha, yes. I was watching it with a friend and we just looked at each other like ? . Needed a minute alone or something,lmao

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    • MsSula
  • Brooklyn_Bruin

    Lawrence needs to run for office in 2020

    • HouseOfBonnets

      #LawrenceHive 2020 fuck best buy ????

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