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If You’re Still An R. Kelly Fan In 2017 You Might Be A Worse Person Than R. Kelly

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I’m not going to say much about R. Kelly because, at this point, on the seventeenth day of July in 2017, there’s not much I can say about R. Kelly that hasn’t already been said. And repeated. And reported on. And recounted through anecdote. And even said by me on this very space four years ago.

With other artists guilty of criminal behavior, there can be a certain cognitive dissonance that can happen when the art and the unseemly acts by the artist have no connection. R. Kelly’s music doesn’t allow for that. His art and his actions are irrevocably linked. They can not be unlinked. It’s like shoes and soles. Or Knick fans and disappointment. He makes crazy, nasty, deviant sex music because he’s a crazy, nasty sex deviant. These are not two separate parts of him.

And also because R. Kelly is who he is. A talented musician — a person actually considered by many to be the most talented contemporary musician — and a man who, for years, used his considerable wealth and influence and status to prey on young Black girls. And continues to do so.

The word evil isn’t often employed when characterizing him, because using that term to describe someone so popular, talented, charismatic, and handsome seems counterintuitive. Troubled? Maybe. Conflicted? Perhaps. Complicated? Definitely. Evil, however, seems to be taking it too far. But the acts he committed are plainly and patently evil. Shit, while attempting to quantify evil is usually a fool’s errand, there aren’t many evils more evil than a rich and powerful man sexually violating poor and powerless girls. And then vaingloriously teasing us about it because he knows there’s not much we can do about it.

Which is why today, on the seventeenth day of July in 2017, I can’t help but wonder if fans of R. Kelly today in 2017 just might be evil too. Or, at the very least, evil adjacent. The fans upset that other people dare be disgusted by R. Kelly. The fans still paying hundreds of dollars to attend his shows. The fans who twist themselves into logical origami defending him, still. The fans who still say things like “R. Kelly can still get it” and “Those girls knew what they were doing.” The fans who parade him at concerts and honor him at awards shows. (And yes, this includes the peers who still make music with him.) The fans completely aware of his misdeeds but still completely apathetic to and unaffected by them. The fans — all of them — so enamored with and attached to R. Kelly the artist and his songs about sex that no evil act committed by R. Kelly, the person, matters.

Perhaps evil is too strong of a word to describe someone conscious of it who remains intentionally indifferent to it and arrogant about the indifference. But I can’t think of a better one. So if you can, please do.

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If you’re wondering why the above may have sounded vaguely familiar — like you’ve read it somewhere before — it’s because, if you’ve been a VSB reader for at least two years, you probably have. I wrote pretty much this exactly same thing in 2015; the only edits where I updated the year from 2015 to 2017. I didn’t change anything because — despite the horrific Buzzfeed story today about R. Kelly’s multi-state cult and the several sex slaves caught in it (that line italicized to represent the WTF!!!-ness of this all) — nothing has changed. He is who he is. And now, in 2017, we have over two decades worth of evidence of his criminal and criminal-adjacent sexual behavior. He hasn’t stopped because he has no incentive to stop. If anything, DeRogatis’s report shows that he’s just become better at it. A craftsmen who surpassed the ten thousand hours of practice master threshold.

R. Kelly is an evil man who has preyed on Black women and girls for 25 years now. Maybe longer. And will not stop until he’s imprisoned. Or killed. If you still defend him and your fandom, that’s your right I guess. Just admit that enjoying his music matters more to you than what he’s done. And what he’s doing. And what he’ll continue to do.

Damon Young

Damon Young is the editor-in-chief of VSB. He is also a columnist for GQ.com And he's working on a book of essays to be published by Ecco (HarperCollins). Damon is busy. He lives in Pittsburgh, and he really likes pancakes. Reach him at damon@verysmartbrothas.com. Or don't. Whatever.

  • Stanley

    I never understood how and why R-Kelly got a pass. I hope this is the end of those days.

    • miss t-lee

      He had a concert here at UT earlier this year. I had more than a few friends that went, and asked me if I was going. When I told them no, they looked at me like I was crazy. Folks protested UT and the on campus concert hall, but to no avail. The show still went on.

      • My best friend’s wife wanted to go see him and he told her “Well you won’t be going with me.”

      • Michelle is my First Lady

        I went to an Alicia Keys/R. Kelly concert years ago. I was there to see AK, but as soon as R. Kelly got on stage I sat down and grown women ran towards the stage cheering for him. Talk about disgusting.

        • miss t-lee

          I believe it.

        • He just did a show in Queens 2 weeks ago as a headliner for a reggae set. The dude has no problem selling tickets.

          • grownandsexy2

            His tickets stay sold out in Philly.

    • He’s still packing in those shows, despite so much dirt being public knowledge. I wish I had something wise to say here.

      • Val

        Some of us don’t mind participating in our own demise.

    • grownandsexy2

      I think when a Black person commits some egregious act, regardless of how depraved, there is a tendency to close ranks and protect the person against any white backlash.

  • Vanity in Peril

    This world doesn’t give one solitary
    fuque about little black girls.

    R.Kelly is trash and so is your Auntie who supports him.

    • Yahmo Bethere

      Black parents served their daughters up to him.

  • Asano Sokato

    Not the biggest fan of his music, but I still say the music and the man are two different things. There people who like the man because of his music and say things like “R. Kelly can still get it”, and, yes, those people qualify as troubled. But being a fan of his music is not the same as being a fan of R Kelly.

    • Zil Nabu

      The music is still quality from a technical perspective. However, the intention behind it is so sick and twisted it can’t be divorced from its creator and propagator.

      • Asano Sokato

        One can hear “Bump and Grind” and think, He’s talking about a 13 year old. Or one can think, He’s talking about this finesexy adult in front of me. Both are legitimate and people should behave accordingly. (To be clear, that means turn it off if you’re thinking the former!) Does anyone think of Jordan Chandler when listening to Michael Jackson?

        I am not here to change anyone’s mind about listening or not listening to R Kelly. The world will be OK without it. Just saying that it’s possible someone enjoying his music at the BBQ doesn’t mean a supporter of him.

        • Michael Jackson is in that same bucket. I did not moan and cry over his death. Effing perverts.

    • “Not the biggest fan of his music, but I still say the music and the man are two different things. ”

      I get what you’re saying because we all have red lines but at some point don’t the man and the art converge? Doesn’t money stemming from one allow him to buy protections so he can do what he wants?

      • Asano Sokato

        Hey, I’m all for conscious spending. It should happen as much as possible. A lot of our dollars end up in the hands of evil-doers. I’m just saying if “Ignition” comes, on the people wining on the dance floor are not (necessarily) supporters of his actions.

    • Val

      His voice disgusts me. So I’m not sure how to separate him from his music. Especially when so much of his music is perv related.

      • MsSula

        Thank you. I hate listening to him. It makes my skin crawl.

    • siante

      Putting any money towards this man is helping to fund his cult where he brainwashes & enslaves women. Just think of it that way.

    • Michelle is my First Lady

      In this case, you can’t separate the man from the art. He IS his art.

    • cakes_and_pies

      He literally has called himself “the Pied Piper of R&B.” How is it possible to divorce the two parts of himself???

      • MakesMeWannaShoopShoopShoop

        The Pied Piper lead the children astray and disappeared with them

  • Queen@

    I wish I could copy and paste my comment from 2015.

    Pretty much, the way people ride and defend R. Kelly and Bill Cosby (and others)….

    celebrities they NEVER met and don’t KNOW…

    are the reason why many young girls/women don’t come forth about abuse happening to them.

    If ya mama, auntie, great uncle, cousin, etc. can’t believe–with the tremendous amount of evidence presented– that these “great men” couldn’t do it, HOW can they get someone to believe them.

    • Word. And this same dynamic is reproduced in communities throughout America.

    • LMNOP

      There’s just so much disbelief about secksual abuse in general, and with celebrities it’s even worse.

      • grownandsexy2

        Why is that? Any thoughts?

        • LMNOP

          Wow, good question. Do you have any ideas on why that is? I think a lot of times easier for people to just choose not to believe it.

          And society at large seems set up to use blaming and not believing the victim as a way to avoid dealing with widespread social problems and maintaining the status quo. You see Black people being blamed for racism, poor people being blamed for poverty, children being blamed for pedophilia is just more of the same.

          • grownandsexy2

            Patriarchy is the short answer. When a woman says she’s been chexxually assaulted, I tend to believe her. How many of us would put ourselves through a lie when you know ahead of time that the deck is stacked against you? Small wonder most women don’t report it and suffer in silence. When the alleged assailant is famous, the odds are definitely stacked against you as most folks think you want a payday or 15 minutes of fame.

            We think celebs are these perfect people, with perfect lives. Nothing could be further from the truth. We idolize them. They are just people who happen to have a different profession than you and I. I’ve heard people say, “he’s famous, he could have anyone he wants.” Not realizing that chexxual assault is about power.

            Even when the evidence falls in favor of the victim, folks still want to believe otherwise. My thoughts are, we choose not to believe it because we want to distance ourselves, we want to think that it couldn’t happen to us. But on some level, women know (but won’t admit) that assault could happen to us too, anytime, anywhere regardless of what we’re wearing. It’s not a good feeling to know that you’re really powerless if someone is bent on taking that power away from you.

  • Kat

    I tried to read all of that but what I really got was the parents knew and still…allowed their child to be around this pervert. That’s what I got.

    • siante

      That pretty much sums it up.

    • I don’t feel bad for this family, just the girl bc she didn’t know any better. This mother and her husband get zero sympathy from me.

    • Krista

      Around someone who could have changed her life for the better, forever. But HE took advantage of that fact.

      • Kat

        Naw. He’s not really known for changing anyone’s life for the better. How many artists has this brotha pushed out in the last ten years?

        You can justify pig ish but in the end it’s still pig ish in a pretty jar.

        • Krista

          He has nothing to do with anything. His celebrity status does. They should have known better. But he’s a psychopath. A master manipulator. The fact he’s still is famous and has fans proves that.

          Idk what that pig part is talking about?

        • Janelle Doe

          Right? How many of these women have careers? So then if that answer is less than 2 why … nvm

    • MsCee

      Thinking their kid was the special snowflake that a well known predator wouldn’t prey on…c’mon man. Y’all knew better. I’d never allow my daughter to be “mentored” by someone who I felt I needed to be supervising each and every visit with. The mother clearly stated she thought it would be ok as long as she was present at every meeting. Bish please.

      • I don’t think it was special snowflake. I think it was willful obtuseness. YOU ALLOWED YOUR KID TO STILL BE AROUND HIM AFTER RETRIEVING HER FROM A HOTEL! They wanted her to be famous and broke a wishbone hoping she wouldn’t get assaulted by him.

        • tisave

          I think its worst than that. I think they went in knowing well that part of the deal was sexual assault.

          • Glo

            Agreed. I think they didn’t know how bad the assault would be, or that their daughters would essentially become slaves, but they knew that some form of sexual assault was a part of the deal.

      • Rastaman

        Its going to take a Carl Lee Hailey to put an end to this fuckery!!

        • RaeRae

          If there ever was a time to kill… Humph…

      • Kat

        Granddaddy touched me but he won’t touch my kids….

        • MsCee

          We not gone even go there today, Kat. ***sips tea*** My best friend was taken advantage of my her step father for years…when it finally came to light…his ADULT sisters asked her mom not to press charges citing the reason of “no one stopped it from happening to us.” Wish I could make this up. If my family member was a pedo…I’d be yelling it from the rooftops to any potential victim.

          • Kat

            I honestly don’t understand this mentality. I really don’t and no amount of therapy is going to make me understand it. Did she press charges? Kill him? Either or….

            • MsCee

              He got life plus 20 years!!!! Due to the amount of time it was going on and the fact that my best friend (proud of her ;) took the stand and gave her testimony.

              • Kat

                That’s beautiful. Simply beautiful.

              • grownandsexy2

                I hope your best friend got counseling.

                • MsCee

                  She has and she is thriving in a healthy relationship and just had her first child!

          • sharoncullars

            you hit on one of the reasons why some older black women won’t help their young daughters/kin/goddaughters or other young women: if they were raped and had to endure, then why should the younger generation escape the same thing? this is the thinking of these godforsaken older women.

      • RaeRae

        Man!!!! You should have seen my face as I read the article. Like, WT entire F!!!!! I had to read that part three times. Let me go calm down…

    • NonyaB?

      My sentiments exactly – I closed the Buzzfeed post by the 3rd paragraph.

      • Kat

        I wanted to but kept hoping more was going to come out. Nothing did.

    • RaeRae

      That bothered me as well, but I didn’t want to be attacked for “blaming the victim” and go down that rabbit hole. I mean…who the hayle allows their teen daughter to work with R. Kelly??? What made them think he would serve as a sufficient mentor?? UGH!!!!

      • Kat

        I’m pointing the finger at the parents. Same finger I pointed at the parents who let their kids play with MJ. Logic…naw, not a bit.

    • KNeale

      DOn’t know if this was same person in the story but one case of being called up on stage while she was at show with parents then called backstage and given number. ???? Then another incident when the girl was in his hotel and the parents still let her meet with him after so long as it was about “music”. ?????? I know RKELLY did not invite her up there to sing! And I know they weren’t in that hotel room talking music. And in both cases they condoned this and allowed the child to continue to meet with this man. Very willful ignorance on the part of the parents here.

      • Kat

        Yep.

  • Val

    The only thing saving the R is he doesn’t exploit young White women and girls. If he did they would find a way to lock his perv azz up just like they found a way to lock OJ up.

    • At this point, I half wish some White woman would take one for the team just to protect the masses.

      • Val

        The trap wouldn’t work, Like most predictors he knows who to exploit.

      • *Thinks about the last election*

        You see, Todd the way that the Pumpkin Spiced revolution is set up…

        • True…

        • MsSula

          Right. They don’t even go to bat for one of their own. You think they will save little black girls? Think again.

          • GUEST

            Why don’t you start a petition or boycott of R Kelly? ?? If black America wanted to shut R Kelly down they could but they won’t.

            • MsSula

              You talking to me? All I hear is *womp, womp, womp*

            • Boycott for what? Dude sales have been down for years. He lost a HUGE ton of support last time. The ones supporting him now are lost ones. You can’t do nothing about that.

          • DL

            A few months back I got a group text from a friend asking of any of her girlfriends would like to get together and go see Kells at an upcoming concert. I politely declined. A day or two later I ran into one of the girls in the group text and she asked me if I was boycotting R Kelly. I said yeah pretty much and she was like I knew it! Funny thing was she didn’t say she was boycotting or any of the other girls in the group. They are all over 35 and several of them have teenage girls but they still don’t mind giving him their cash. Black women cape harder for this dude than any other group.

            • Yep…

            • Transbutter

              I think black people cap more for him than white.

            • TheUnsungStoryteller

              Right…I honestly think there’s a correlation with this and the fact that we hide deep family secrets that have to do with sexual abuse

              • DL

                Yes he is the popular cousin that everyone loves and nobody bothers to mention is also a predator. He will hem up all the teen girls in the family the minute no one is looking. If he is caught the girls will be called fast and be warned not to be alone with him again as if the girls are the problem. ?

            • K.D. Andrews

              And it BOGGLES MY MIND

        • miss t-lee

          They not about that life.

          • They are the French Army in the summer or 1940. They are around but with a few exceptions, useless.

            • kingpinenut

              *daps*

              Pops had not a damb good ting to say bout them French.

        • charisma_supreme

          I was not supposed to chuckle during this serious topic, dammit!

        • Janelle Doe

          No lies told here

      • UdonNo

        HE HAD PLENTY OF WHITE GIRLS, they just aint complaining.

        • You’re really caping for the Arruh huh? Was R Kelly about to buy NBC? LOL

          • Not NBC! Lolllll

          • SororSalsa

            Oh Lawd…I was with some folks last week caping for Pill Cosby. Everything is not a C-O-N-spiracy! I hate to think that otherwise very intelligent folk think that 1) every time a black man is accused of something, there’s a conspiracy to bring him down; and 2) they should get a pass because a white man has. SMH

            • Wild100’s

              The issue with that crazy NBC Cosby “conspiracy” theory is, the entire premise. I am a huge fan of Dr. Cosby, but apparently he’s had some questionable relatipns long before he tried to buy NBC.
              It also speaks to how we are quick to believe internet trash to justify actions of people we admire.
              What sorority? I’m a Nupe.

              • SororSalsa

                AKA

            • On a certain level, I understand where people are coming from. COINTELPRO wasn’t some script writers fever dream, and the Chicago police did kill Fred Hampton. At some point, though, you have to set aside your visceral reaction to a situation and example the facts as dispassionately as possible.

              • SororSalsa

                Agreed. I think that the Bill Cosby “conspiracy” grates on me, because I heard folks saying that he couldn’t possibly have assaulted that many women, why didn’t they report it when it happened, they saw him afterward, etc. I hate to hear women victim blaming and caping for someone because it ruins their childhood memories of a tv show.

                • Malcolm-Jamal Warner had the best perspective on the whole Cosby Show situation. He isn’t happy to be associated with such a predator, but knows that he and his cast did the best job they could to put on a great show. While Bill Cosby did what he did, that doesn’t indict anyone who worked on or watched the show.

        • GUEST

          Yes they were but we’re threatened no doubt some of them dead

      • LoveTrenia

        This hurts me to my soul, and yet I know it’s true. Because the underlying understanding here is that society doesn’t see black girls as valuable, that includes the black folks who stan hard for this fool.

        • jlenoconel

          People are assuming that’s what’s going through people’s heads. I have questions about Buzzfeed’s report, like are the girls being held against their will or are they staying for the money? Not everything is at it seems I say.

          • Why does it matter? Men GROOM girls all the time!

            • jlenoconel

              I just have questions. Anyway, I still like his music. I bet a lot of people in hip hop and the music industry do sh!* like this a lot. Doesn’t mean I’m gonna hate R Kelly’s music.

              • Mark Calland

                Agree with you like how many young underage white girls slept with all of the 80’s rock bands? I’m not excusing R Kelly but he’s not the only one by far

                • Mochagirl73

                  “Since everyone does it…well so? Hint: Normalizing the behavior isn’t a solution.

              • MZ33

                “I bet a lot of people in hip hop and the music industry do sh!* like this a lot. Doesn’t mean I’m gonna hate R Kelly’s music.”
                Excellent defending of a known rapist and child molester.

          • Mochagirl73

            The answers to those questions can be found on Google. But you know that.

            At ANYTIME you could read an article explaining the psychological trauma experienced by women/girls who are manipulated and held captive by evil men–both Black and White.

            Most victims don’t have a gun to their head everyday because their captors are cunning enough to instill a level of fear and isolation that doesn’t require brute force.

            Your admission is cowardly. Turning a blind eye to numerous Black girls suits you better than facing the truth. #eviladjacent

        • Pretty much! If I had a dollar for every a55hole who talked about a kid seducing a R.Kelly.. I would never have to work again… I have never been so angry with black folks in all my life. Like I SAW THAT VIDEO….

        • TheUnsungStoryteller

          Exactly. It reminds me of how families hold secrets about sexual abuse in childhood.

        • SororSalsa

          What kills me are the girls’ parents, who are still in denial about how evil R Kelly is. How can you, at this point, think he didn’t do anything or worse, this is some sort of conspiracy???

      • Caitlin Wolford

        Our president exploited lots of white women, and got punished by… winning an election.

      • !!!!!!

    • Erica Nicole Griffin

      If he abused Black boys I think more of our community would step up…

      • Nope.

        See: Long, Bishop Eddie Lee

        • siante

          The ENTIRE bishop Eddie Long case breaks my heart smh.

        • MsSula

          I was about to type this very thing.

        • Erica Nicole Griffin

          Yeah. You’re right.

        • Church.. no pun intended.

        • Eva

          And then he ups and dies. And folks are all broke up…. he and his wig were never punished.

          • RaeRae

            I’m trying to be serious, but you had to bring up the wig.

            • Eva

              I think he and the wig should have been punished separately.

          • siante

            a 4 hour funeral like he was a king. It’s a disgrace smh.

        • Love Heals

          I’m so disgusted by Demon Eddie Long and his supporters. And I think our people cape for such people with the sick and twisted notion of “the greater good”…as if acknowledging that one man was a depraved predator invalidates the religion. That said, I still heard way more people vocal about his foulness than in these decades of R.Kelly’s evil. (Some of that was about homophobia/bigotry than child RAPE. Sigh.) My wish for both was for them to themselves be raped and humiliated. Harsh, I know, but there are so many levels of abuse they’ve meted out with impunity.

      • MakesMeWannaShoopShoopShoop

        I doubt

      • Zil Nabu

        Doubt it. See Afrikka Bambataa.

        • I love hip-hop, I love being Bajan, but f*ck him on principle.

        • Transbutter

          This hurt my heart. :(

      • Freebird

        Nah

      • Janelle Doe

        I don’t know… if the things superhead wrote about in her book were true about RnB and rapper initiations … also who stepped up for Chilli and em?

    • MakesMeWannaShoopShoopShoop

      Wasn’t it a white boy who sank Michael Jackson?

      • Val

        I think so.

      • Kullervo

        White boy in the 90s, Latino in the 2000s.

      • wolejr03

        given Michael Jackson worth before and after his death, i doubt he was sunk.

        • Mary

          Never believed any of that myself. If he was a child molester then why weren’t his kids victims? He was definitely off and thought he was like a child and slept in the same bed with kids but I never believed he touched any of them. Them folks just wanted his money.

          • grownandsexy2

            I never believed MJ was a homochexual, child molester or touched anyone either and not because I’m star struck. I will always believe he was asexual and looked upon as easy prey. I read somewhere once that if you miss certain phases of development, you will act them out in later life. IMO, this was Michael’s issue. I see it with some older people. He wasn’t allowed to be a child, so he attempted to recoup what he missed growing up. Was what he did by sleeping in bed with kids inappropriate. Indeed. But I never thought he touched any of them. He was easy prey.

    • Erin Strong

      I’d take one for the team but i’m too old for his tastes. And honestly, I doubt it would even make a dent.

    • UdonNo

      He does, they just aint complaining. Its all fun to them.

    • Vick is still persecuted over DOGS!!! If he were preying on little white girls…lawwwwwwwd.

      • don’t you know dogs are more valuable than black folks in America?

        • Unfortunately, I do :/

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          • Especially little black girls..sighh

        • SororSalsa

          I think dogs might be more valuable than white women in America….

          • Donovan Spitfire

            Another stupid comment from a racist militant idiot. Why dont you put your anger towards the black males who kill 90 % of the blacks that are murdered in this country. Not the 1% that are shot by police. Why dont you complain about the FACT that black males represent ONLY 7% of the U.S. population but commit 75% of the violent crime. Stop believing that BULLSHI@ BLM race baiting idiots that have no facts or agenda other than their own!

          • that’s a hard toss-up..but you might be right

        • katina

          Sad but you speak the truth

        • Donovan Spitfire

          Stupid comment by a brainwashed militant idiot!

      • THIS.

      • PinkRose

        Vick NEEDS to be persecuted for that lame a$$ comment he made about Kaepernick’s afro!!

        • grownandsexy2

          I missed that. What did he say?

          • SororSalsa

            Respectability politics…that he needs to cut his hair to be seen as viable by the NFL.

            • grownandsexy2

              SMH!

            • grownandsexy2

              I’m just catching up. I can’t believe Kaepernick’s hair and Vick’s statements were actually front page news in the city today. Front page! In 2017, our hair is still an issue and Vick’s self-hate is apparent. SMH

    • Caitlin Wolford

      Cosby exploited white women and he walked scot-free. That ain’t it. Rich men just get to act like this in America, no matter what color they are.

      • Val

        Bill Cosby’s career is over and he just stood trial. And there will likely be a re-trial. So, how has he walked away scot free?

        • BlackSpartacus

          Because he did it for 50 years and still hasn’t seen the inside of a jail cell. Plus it’s only happening at the end of his life. He was basically retired already.

          • Val

            He is retired because protesters retired him. And it happened over 50 years ago but as soon as it became public common knowledge all heck broke loose.

            And it’s notoriously difficult to convict rapists. But they are trying.

        • nopenopenope

          Because despite 60 accusers, half of a jury couldn’t imagine he was guilty of assaulting ONE of them. Also, just like R. Kelly, everyone around Cosby knew what he was doing. And enabled it. Didn’t say a fucking word. He DID get away with it, continuously, for fifty fucking years, until now.

        • Caitlin Wolford

          Is he in jail?

      • Mochagirl73

        And don’t forget more than five Black women–each of whom were ridiculed by the Black community; including their relatives.

    • Jones

      precisely. this country doesn’t care about black women and girls.

      • Sandra Renee

        Black people period

        • Jones

          Yeah, true, but black men don’t even care about black women.

    • GUEST

      Not really Hollyweird Hollyweird use full of perverts preying on white girls nothing nothing is ever done about It. ..maybe that’s why his d

      • Val

        White men preying on White women and girls is one thing but let a Black man try it. History should tell you what the result would be.

    • jlenoconel

      I’m still a fan of his music regardless. Also, anything Buzzfeed writes needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

    • I, almost, wish that he did so that mfer could fade away into obscurity… I HATE HIM. Disgusting SOB….and kneegrows and broads who support him can go to he11 too.

    • truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

      I agree with you.

      • Val

        Hi, Truth.

        • truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

          Hello Sister. I hope that you’re having a Blessed Day.

          • Val

            Thanks, same to you. :-)

            • truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

              You’re Welcome Sister. :) I’m enjoying my day.

    • Mel

      But we STILL go to his shows, STILL buy his records, STILL defend him , STILL blame the kids he sleeps with and STILL feed him him our daughters to prey on for t he said of of fame. He’s smarter about It Grooms them when they’re young but doesnt suck them in until theyre legal and does it in states with a low age of consent. Vile!

    • Miles

      Except he does…just in smaller quantities. And he gives them the illusion of choice…..not so much with black girls

    • Lea McNalley

      Kobe raped a white woman. His charges were dropped after she villafied by the media and her and her family threatened daily by Kobe supporters to the point that she refused to go forward with testifying. He literally walked out the door of the courthouse and right there on the front steps he made statement to the media admitting he raped her while his fans cheered for him. Here’s a couple snippets from his statement for those who conveniently chose to ignore it.
      “I want to apologize to her for my behavior that night and for the consequences she has suffered in the past year,”
      “Although I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual, I recognize now that she did not and does not view this incident the same way I did.”
      If R Kelly’s victims were white and they came forward, they would’ve been harassed and treated the same as kobe’s victim. The only reason you believe he’s a pervert is because his victims are black.

      • Mark Calland

        You forgot the part where she had the sperm of multiple men and that made it hard for an airtight case

    • Donovan Spitfire

      Oj who BRUTALLY murdered 2 people? You are an idiot and a racist!

    • vTenebrae

      Not really, because they’re still women and girls. Roman Polanski is still treated like a hero, though he raped a young girl. He got a lifetime achievement award at the Oscars – which he couldn’t attend because there is still an active warrant for his arrest.

      You don’t even have to be famous to get away with hideous behaviour like R Kelly. The victim just has to be a young girl – look at the Steubenville case, Brock Turner, the guy in Montana who was convicted of raping his 12-year-old daughter who got a suspended sentence, Nolan Bruder who drugged and raped a family member (name withheld) who got a 4 month sentence… it goes on and on.

      R Kelly doesn’t get away with it because he’s exploiting black women and girls. He gets away with it because our culture allows the media, courts, and public to find *ANY* reason to blame the victim – especially if the perpetrator is rich.

  • It’s sad how his musical career somehow negates all this grotesque s e x trafficking he’s been doing. How do people find it acceptable for him to do this because he makes music they like?

    • Dave Gettleman was just fired, kiddo.

      • I saw and I’ve been picking fellow fans brains about this move. Where there’s smoke there’s fire.

  • Michelle is my First Lady

    R. Kelly produces music that people can enjoy. He knows this. This is why he gets away with what he does and yet he still sells out concerts, women still throw their panties at him, and he still gets played at black BBQs, family reunions, and line dancing parties ALL. THE. TIME. It isn’t about him, it is about how he makes people feel with his music.

    We also need to take chexual abuse more seriously in our families and in our communities. A majority of chexual abuse incidents that occur in the black community are often swept under the rug or the secret is taken to the grave. Unfortunately, this has happened to several women in my family. Until people realize we should not be protecting, supporting, standing by a man that CONTINUES to chexually abuse women, he will continue to stay posted up in the spotlight.

    • siante

      “We also need to take chexual abuse more seriously in our families and in our communities. A majority of chexual abuse incidents that occur in the black community are often swept under the rug or the secret is taken to the grave”

      Man, this is so true. I’ve been doing some studying for school on complex PTSD in childhood s exual abuse victims. It’s amazing how life altering PTSD can be in war veterans & society recognizes that by giving them disability benefits and access to medical care & counseling programs (which it should), but studies show the Complex PTSD in s exual abuse victims is just as severe and debilitating as PTSD in war veterans and our society just doesn’t support s ex abuse victims in the same way. I really feel for your family members who have endured this.

      • LMNOP

        This is so true. I’m reading a book on complex PTSD right now.

        • siante

          Really, can you share the title/author?

          • LMNOP

            I’m reading two actually. Complex PTSD by Pete Walker and Healing Developmental Trauma by Laurence Heller, which is a much denser more academic read.

            Two of the best books I’ve read on this general topic are The Body Keeps the Score by Bessel van der Kolk and Resurrection After Rape by Matt Atkinson.

            • siante

              Thank you!!!!! I can’t wait to dig into these. I was really shocked to learn that CPTSD is not in the DSM-V. Hopefully that will change soon.

              • ( A mental health question I can competently respond to. Woohoo!)

                Here’s the issue with C-PTSD. There is a good deal of debate as to whether C-PTSD and Borderline Personality Disorder are the same thing or at least gendered versions thereof or distinct psychological issues. There is a decent amount of literature about the trauma that people with BPD suffering being the key issue, not the personality disorder. That’s a huge deal, because there’s more resources around for PTSD than BPD. That said, roughly 10-15% of people with BPD has seriously trauma. As a result, they aren’t sure to say it’s its own thing, the same as BPD or the same as regular ol’ PTSD.

                • siante

                  Interesting! I was actually just listening to a speaker who was just discussing her view on CPTSD vs BPD patients. She’s a therapist and from her experience the BPD patients were ALWAYS lacking in empathy and leaned more towards narcissism, but the CPTSD patients were empaths at the core. What are your thoughts on this?

                  • For the record, I’m not a mental health professional. That said, between my ex-wife’s issues, my volunteer work in support of the loved ones and my openness about my ex-wife’s diagnosis leading to people volunteering their issues, I’ve personally met dozens of people with BPD and dealt with hundreds of loved ones trying to get them to work it out. My knowledge is born out of hard won experience.

                    On the empath level, I think it’s BS. I’ve seen my fair share of people with BPD identify as empaths. I also know that the mere diagnosis of CPTSD vs BPD can cause clinicians to treat patients differently. BPD has a hard-won rep of being the diagnosis of the manipulative, and that institutional knowledge matters. CPTSD, with its association to PTSD, leads people to give the diagnosed a bit more respect. Fair? No. But it’s real.

                    • siante

                      “BPD has a hard-won rep of being the diagnosis of the manipulative, and that institutional knowledge matters. CPTSD, with its association to PTSD, leads people to give the diagnosed a bit more respect. Fair? No. But it’s real.”

                      Thank you for that response. I guess it’s still hard for me to view BPD the same as CPTSD due to the manipulative nature of the condition as well. The therapist I was listening to said people with BPD will ALWAYS self-identify as Empaths although this is almost never truly the case. I honestly am not sure. I have a lot more studying to do here.

                    • I agree on the therapist with that one broadly. I won’t say they all identify as empaths, but most of them do. However, they seem clueless as to how feelings actually work among humans. They’re so programmed to manipulate to survive that they don’t know how NOT to, if that makes sense.

                    • siante

                      “They’re so programmed to manipulate to survive that they don’t know how NOT to, if that makes sense.”

                      Oh man, that makes perfect sense. After thinking a family member of mine was a narcissist, I began looking into BPD & all of the puzzle pieces are finally starting to fall into place. And that’s the perfect way to put it: “Manipulation as a survival tactic”- So many things are starting to make sense now. Thanks again for your perspective on this!

              • LMNOP

                Yeah, I think it got close to being in the DSM 5 though. What are you going to school for?

                • siante

                  My hopes are to be a therapist. I’d like to work with children & women who have experienced domestic violence & right now I’m signing up for a program at a local DV shelter in my area that trains volunteers to assist women & children in various areas of life (another reason I’m so interested in PTSD/CPTSD right now)- hopefully I get into this program *fingers crossed*

                  • LMNOP

                    That’s great! Good luck with all of that! I’ve worked and volunteered at DV shelters and I really enjoyed it, they generally do a good job with their trainings too.

      • I’m leery about how well in practice war veterans get treated for PTSD based on the homeless veteran population in pretty much every major city in the US. That said, at least we do recognize that war can mess people up bad. We need to do the same for $exual assault.

        • siante

          “That said, at least we do recognize that war can mess people up bad. We need to do the same for $exual assault.”

          Exactly- that acknowledgement is validation and would be so helpful for s exual abuse victims.

  • cysinblack

    Kelly is the king of freak me music. People want to stay perpetually in the mood through someone who has mastered every angle on the subject through making the object of his desire ageless yet leaving clues they are too young for this. The little in bump and grid is not referring to the length of time for the act, the size of his member doing the act, nor the frequency in which the act is done.

    On a slightly unrelated note. You should get shirts made Died on the hill defending Bill Cosby. I want one.

  • MsSula

    Like my mind cannot comprehend liking R. Kelly after the trial with that little poor 14 baby girl. Like stop it. I do not like RnB that much.

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