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If Your Pastor Says “Racism Isn’t A Skin Problem, It’s A Sin Problem” You Need To Find Another Church

Recently I decided to visit a popular, contemporary church known for its multicultural emphasis. (Read: it tries to be neither a ‘Black church’ nor a ‘White church’ in its cultural expressions of Christian worship.) I did this because, after being conspicuously silent about race and racism after the Charleston shootings (the church did not so much as post on their social media sites that they were praying for the victims. Instead, they posted videos about their upcoming sermon series), the Black pastor of this multicultural church decided to tackle the issue of race in a sermon series. After a praise and worship session that took great care to be neither overly Black in the singing style nor song selection, he began the sermon by saying something I’ve heard many times before—something I hoped I would never hear come out the mouth of a person whose lived experience of race in America provides a lens through which to read the Bible critically. He said, “Racism isn’t a skin problem, it’s a sin problem.”

By this he meant that it could be remedied by interpersonal interactions with people of different ethnicities. He went on to provide possible solutions to racism. He suggested that people of different races should have dinner together and engage in conversation about their lived experience. White folks in the crowd clapped their hands approvingly. Black folks in the audience shook their head as if they had just heard words from on high.

Some folks go to church to get prayer. Yet, as a philosopher of race and ordained minister dedicated to social justice, I left church needing someone to pray me back into a peaceful place. There is value in people from different backgrounds engaging in dialogue, but talking is not enough. Put succinctly, the pastor pissed me off.   

I am not advocating for racially segregating worship. But a person who has lived on the underside of the American democratic experience because of their race is likely to understand the Bible differently from those who have reaped its benefits. In the same way that both the slave and the slave owner prayed to a divine being but their understanding of God differed radically from one another, Black churches and White churches have historically had very different understandings of what it means to be a Christian. Black churches have historically been on the cutting edge of social justice movements as it relates to race and economic inequality. (Many of them, however, are either woefully silent or sinfully oppressive on issues like patriarchy and homophobia.) It is this Black interpretive lens that explains why people like Nat Turner, Bishop Henry McNeal Turner, Richard Allen, and Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. felt so strongly about social injustice. Their understanding of God was of one who is not interested in merely having people of different ethnicities be nice to one another—Black Christians see God as a person who is interested in liberation.

Asking those who have access to Whiteness and the privilege it brings to merely tolerate Black people is not liberation. To liberate those who are marginalized because of racism is to commit to a fundamental change to the structure of this country. Those who are racially profiled and sentenced under minimum mandatories because of the war on drugs are in need of liberation. Black and brown folks who are disproportionately in poverty relative to White folks are in need of liberation. Black children who disproportionately attend decrepit and underfunded schools are in need of liberation. Black women raised in a culture that places a premium on Eurocentric beauty standards are in need of liberation. Even older Black men who constantly wear wind-suits with dress shoes and leather baseball hats are in need of liberation. And saying racism is a sin problem that we can solve by being kinder to each other serves the purposes of White supremacy because it does not force White folks to come to terms with the way they may contribute to institutional racism in the decisions they make at work and the way they vote at the polls.

If you attend a Christian church that has little to say in support of the movement for Black lives, if your pastor has called for prayer in regard to unity but has not pushed the congregation to engage in social protests to address the systemic nature of racial injustice, then White supremacy, not Jesus, may be your god. If racism is, indeed, a sin problem and not a skin problem, then someone needs to repent. And by someone, I mean America.

Law W.

Lawrence Ware is a philosopher of race at his day job and writes if the kids go to bed on time. He is a contributing editor of NewBlackMan (in Exile) and a frequent contributor to The Root and other publications. He has been featured in the New York Times and you can sometimes find him discussing race and politics on HuffPost Live and Public Radio International. He is the kind of Steelers fan that enjoys watching the Cowboys lose.

  • Thank you for this drop. I disagree with this drop. Firstly that the norm Black churches were always on the vanguard of black social justice just isn’t true. Secondly that you can easily divide black churches and white churches. My mom is Ethiopian Orthodox and I know if any of y’all went to one of hers services it would be a radically different experiences. That’s not feeling into things like all black Catholic churches.

    That being said race blind churches are not the wave. I would even go so far as to say they’re dangerous to present the idea that we just need to hug and have a coffee with conversation to end racism.

    • I agree with this. The Black Church and Black Christianity in whole aren’t exactly the same thing. My dad’s experiences growing up in a predominantly Black Episcopalian church have little in common with the American Black church other than Christianity and Protestantism.

    • Question

      Agreed on your last point. As if racism is just a function of a lack of exposure and not a centuries old perspective that is passed down by generations through subtle assumptions and associations about groups of people.

      Because lets be real – most mild-racists (read: liberals) have Black friends, know a handful of Black people rather well and still hold racist beliefs. How do they reconcile that? They remove those people from the bucket when they make “why do all Black people ________” comments. When they start dropping stats on OOW births, Black on Black crime, fatherlessness in the black community, which are the data they use to justify their judgments, they intentionally disregard the Black people they know and have personal direct experience with.

      Frankly IMO – that’s worse than not growing up around Black people and just believing what you’ve been told.

  • Sigma_Since 93

    But doesn’t the sin pertain to the skin???? Help me Sway??

    • I’ll wait to see what the commenter say before I make my claim. I see what he’s aiming at, but it can be taken a number of ways.

    • Digital_Underground

      I see where you are going.

      • pls

        i don’t…halp

  • Nik White

    “…wind suits with dress shoes and leather hats…” gave me life.

    • ALM247

      I saw that too…..LOL

    • brothaskeeper

      Leave my daddy out of this!

      • Mochasister


  • Buster Cannon

    The statement “it’s not a skin problem, it’s a sin problem” isn’t wrong from a biblical standpoint. The goal of a [biblically-centered] church is to ultimately lead others to Christ. You can acknowledge that racism is a problem in America while addressing the root cause of sin, the two aren’t mutually exclusive. Change has to start at an individual heart level.

    • ALM247


    • RaeNBow

      i love it when i come to the comment section and somebody has said exactly what i think/feel even better than i was gong to put it.

      right on, brotha!

    • Sigma_Since 93

      The one thing I agree with Al Sharpton on is when he says you can’t legislate the hearts and minds of people when it comes to race relations.

      • Sirx

        But that’s not true. Yes you can. You absolutely can legislate hearts and minds. I’d wager that a lot of interracial couples and interracial adult friendships today exist specifically because of racially-liberating legislation. When you break down those legal barriers, and force people to get out of their own way and stop being a world-class a-hole under penalty of law, they might find themselves in situations in which they have no choice but to interact with those they used to ignorantly demonize. Most may never change. But there will inevitably be some who do change their heart and mind through the process of actually getting to know and learn about people different than themselves. And with any luck, that’s the heart/mind that will be passed on to future generations.

        • Sigma_Since 93

          The law only provided protection; it doesn’t stop Dwights from saying your a Ninja lover or a sista from giving a brotha the side eye when he’s booed up with Barbie.

          If that was the case, hearts would have changed with the Emancipation, Civil Rights Act, or the Loving verdict.

        • whatever

          getting to know and learn about people different than themselves.

          thats a laugh coming from you.

    • LadyJay?

      You looking for a FIRST LADY?!? Again, preeeeeach.

    • Mary Burrell


    • DaSoji1

      Thank you!

  • ALM247

    VSB is on it early this morning. :)

    I heard pastor Tony Evans in Texas make the same statement. I’m not sure if he is the pastor that you are referring to, since I only heard a portion of the message online, but you make some very intriguing points.

    I think the argument about it being a sin problem can be valid depending on the way that you interpret it. For as many people as there are who are racist in this country, there are a few like Tim Wise who are bold enough to speak out against the injustices that their own people commit. Tim is white, but he has not allowed the sin of racism to take hold in his spirit. He has made a career of calling white people out on their privilege and holding their feet to the fire. If Tim can do this, then other white people can do this, too. Most people want to think that they are so great because it absolves them of having to improve upon themselves. Being racist is a sin, and people like Tim Wise have chosen to not be
    guilty of that sin.

    Another thing that we don’t talk about enough are the Black people in this country who willfully participate in racism against their own people. I have worked in corporate settings and studied in education environments in which Black people aligned with white people to undercut other Black people just to get a few extra crumbs off of the table. There again, we are back to a sin problem. These are the
    sins of jealousy, coveting, begrudging other people’s success, and wanting to be the only Black person with a seat at the table….

    On the other hand, racism is based on perceived race, which is usually determined in this nation by skin color or features that we alignwith certain races and ethnicities. In that respect, racism is very much a skin problem. The police are able to let alleged white rapists and killers make it to jail unharmed, while Black people are being murdered while trying to pull out their identification. That is indeed a skin problem.

    The pastor’s suggestion that people have dinner and converse about their life experiences is naïve at best. If racism could have been solved with a conversation, slavery would have ended as soon as our ancestors stepped off the ships into America. As I said a day or two ago, America has a problem hearing about race from Black people. It takes people like Tim Wise to tell white people that they are wrong. When a Black person points things out, they are automatically a race baiter, a trouble maker, a person seeking division, a whiner, and a person who is pulling the imaginary “race card”. The conversation is immediately derailed and any points that are made are dismissed.

    “In the same way that both the slave and the slave owner prayed to a divine being but their understanding of God differed radically from one another, Black churches and White churches have
    historically had very different understandings of what it means to be a Christian.”

    ^^^I agree with you regarding the slave and slave owner seeing God in very different ways, but I disagree somewhat with you on the “Black” church vs. the “White” church understanding what it means to be a Christian. Those seeking to live by the bible have a guide to tell them what is right vs. what is wrong. A true Christian knows that God has no respect of person. There is a Black church in North Carolina making headlines at this very moment because they support Donald Trump. I rest my case….

    I do believe that we need to add positive, firm action to our prayers. Faith without work is dead…..

    Racism is one of those issues that shouldn’t be an issue for a nation that prides itself on being so progressive and cutting edge. Some white people love to holler “we are all equal human beings” because it makes them sound and feel better, but some of them don’t mean it. If we are all equal,
    then why does Black excellence make so many people uncomfortable? Why do so many people hate the first family? If we are all equal, then you should be rooting for my success, instead of trying to take me down.

    • Sigma_Since 93

      “Another thing that we don’t talk about enough are the Black people in
      this country who willfully participate in racism against their own

      Stop, pause. This isn’t about us; this is about the folks who claim to set the mold and expect for us to follow. If we are talking purely theory, you are right. However, since White folk hate on White folk in Corporate settings too, mean White chicks hate on White chicks, White jocks hate on White geeks, the point is moot.

      In addition, I have never seen a Black propaganda machine that’s mission statement is to hate Whites solely because they are White. I’m looking squarely at White folk for making the ancestors adopt their religion (setting the standard) and not holding true to its religion’s tenants.

      • ALM247

        We may agree to disagree on this. Of course, white people started this by bringing us here to rape, torture, produce revenue, etc. No one is absolving white people of what they have done.

        You say that this isn’t about us, but the conversation needs to be had. Some of this racism that goes on, especially in the workplace. law enforcement, and in educational institutions is aided by other Black people. Just as we need to hold white people accountable, we need to also hold ourselves accountable. This is where the “sin” argument is coming from. If you are actively working against another Black person within the context of white supremacy and you believe in an all seeing, all knowing God, then surely you would be punished by God alongside the white supremacist who is being punished. Both people are wrong.

        Look at what happened to Freddie Gray. Multiple Black cops were involved in that situation. It wasn’t just white people.

        • Sigma_Since 93

          We’ll split hairs here. I see the working against one another as a us mirroring what White people do. Let’s not fool ourselves in believing that every White person gets a seat at the table simply because they are White. In a succession plan to keep a dominant status, the dominant party will always chose one of their own.

          Blacks are uber competitive simply because:

          if we are lucky, we get one seat at the table

          We feel that we can’t afford to have someone fail / fail to represent us in a positive light

          In theory, we should all be that good Samaritan and pull our brothers up regardless of clan; we’re just not there yet.

          • Kas

            Recent studies have shown that minorities or women trying to pull their own kind up reflects negatively on the person doing the pulling. Apparently only white men are allowed to lend a helping hand.

            • Sigma_Since 93

              But there are still factions here. I can’t remember who posted it but there was a conference on Women in tech in silicon valley and the when the white female facilitor was pressed on the inclusion of more women of color, she (a sista) was told that wasn’t on the agenda for the year.

            • Question

              That’s cuz when its white men, they aren’t seeing as “helping” each other – just doing what they do. Hence why when a President, really any President (it happened to Bush too), makes an appointment of someone who isn’t White or Male, all the talk is on their status as an other and not on their qualifications. Like forget Sotomayor’s background, experience and the fact that she was beyond qualified – she was selected because she is Puerto Rican. Full Stop.

              • Kas

                Did you read the same article? You basically hit all the points.

          • Digital_Underground

            “We feel that we can’t afford to have someone fail / fail to represent us in a positive light…”

            Because in our society when a few Black people do something negative it is charged to the entire group. That creates the “don’t make us look bad” attitude you see among many Blacks, particularly older Blacks. It also feeds the respectability politics approach.

            • Sigma_Since 93

              The key is we don’t get to see the other side of the coin. Dwight Daddy may be worried about turning the reins of the company over to his screw up son and puts a contingency plan in place or gives Jr. the illusion he’s running things.

            • Agreed on the respectability politics, but I also understand where the older generation was coming from. If a brother screwed up, it often was years before another one even got a chance back in the day. It’s an outmoded way of thinking, but let’s not pretend it doesn’t have its roots in actual history.

              • Sigma_Since 93

                But is it really outmoded??? I’m looking at STEM and Sillicon Valley and the hiring would prove it’s still real in the field.

                • As someone in STEM, I would say the answer is a definite maybe. Fresh out of school, respectability politics is real. That said, if you survive the gauntlet, I wouldn’t say they suddenly love you as much as you have XYZ skill, and their love of Benjamins and Tubmans trumps their hate.

              • Digital_Underground

                No, I agree. It’s not just history. It still holds true today. I think we should still hold ourselves accountable. But for the message to be effective we can’t ignore the elephant in the room. Because the younger generations see it.

          • ALM247

            The argument is not necessarily about pulling “our brothers up”. Just make sure that we aren’t plotting against each other to our own gain.

            If we aren’t going to help, then we at least should not hinder……

            • Sigma_Since 93

              “If we aren’t going to help, then we at least should not hinder……”

              Until you are after my spot at the table and there’s not enough to share. Self preservation will kick in no matter who you are or the God you serve.

              • ALM247

                Nope. I never did that. No matter how bad things got. Speak for yourself. :)

              • Question

                But how do you know when you’re correctly assessing someone to be after YOUR spot as opposed to after A spot? The lines are blurry as is, and in some corporate cultures (e.g. up or out firms like law, consulting, high finance), its tough to tell because the culture is already “there ain’t enough space for all ya’ll”…

          • Brooklyn_Bruin

            Build our own tables!

            • Sigma_Since 93

              We can build our own tables but we also need to shed the imprinted mindset as well.

            • Question

              Ehhh…this is a LOT harder than people realize. Not impossible, but not nearly as easy as people make it seem – especially in the places where the money flows. Its one thing to build your own successful graphic design firm and another to turn that firm into a global conglomerate that becomes the default agency for Proctor & Gamble, Johnson & Johnson and Visa.

    • LeeLee

      “I have worked in corporate settings and studied in education environments in which Black people aligned with white people to undercut other Black people just to get a few extra crumbs off of the table.”
      Same here. I see this a lot in DC :(

      • ALM247

        Isn’t it awful? :(

    • Mary Burrell

      Tim Wise and Jane Elliott both.

    • Mary Burrell

      White people and many black people have a problem with Tim Wise. I love his YouTube video

  • So I’m a member of the infamous “Hotline Bling/Harlem Shake” (non-denominational) church in Atlanta. We have a majority black/brown church with a speckling of whites, asians, and hispanics. I can’t ever recall any of our sermons specifically preaching about racial issues that the media has covered. Our pastor does lead in prayers for all the victims and families of those affected by such heinous acts, however. We also do a great deal in the local community to help victims of… everything and the homeless. Based on this post, I’m wondering if there is a time and place for ANY church to address an issue such as racism and not offend the church audience. What would be the correct approach? On the other hand, do majority white churches reach out and form MEANINGFUL coordinations and relationships with minority churches? Where does this kind of conversation start (if at all) within the confines of religion/spirituality?

    • ALM247

      I think part of your comment was cut off. It stopped at the word “meaningful”…..

      • It should be completed now. Try refreshing.

    • RewindingtonMaximus

      The church should offend you. I wholeheartedly believe one of the problems with the church is in the same way it is asking you to have faith in the Most High, it should also challenge your faith in humanity, even to the point of making you uncomfortable.

      Faith can’t work on well wishing alone. We have to do the work to back up the faith. And if we are supposed to love all God’s children, then we have to do the work to find that love, not just think about it.

    • Kae

      Why should any of the congregation be offended by the pastor tackling these issues? Racism affects everyone for better or worse. Those who don’t feel it severely should want to get educated and engaged so they can better support and uplift their spiritual brothers and sisters. Those suffering from its damaging effects are of course engaged to have a better quality of life.

      And interfaith or church to church communications despite demographics goes hand in hand with that mindset, to me.

      • Deeds

        Well, there are definitely WP that get upset if anyone even mentions race.

    • -h.h.h.-

      Based on this post, I’m wondering if there is a time and place for ANY church to address an issue such as racism and not offend the church audience. What would be the correct approach?

      churches are made up of members that live in the community, or nearby communities. if the community of the church is affected by something, i personally believe the church should address it in word (via sermon on sunday) and action (making sure the doors of the church, when feasible, are open to the community to serve and support all other times)

      but i’ve had a different relationship with church than others…i actually like it.
      just my two cents, your mileage may vary, yadda yadda pc pc.

    • kimest3e

      What I don’t understand at what point did being a Christian meant being pc. Being nice and unoffensive. Jesus himself offended people left and right. A lot of his teachings was not about comfort and feeling good. Correction doesn’t feel good, there is nothing comfortable about it.Growth and change is uncomfortable and sometimes hurts. So if the the person who is the whole basis of Christianity “offended” people, why would so many pastors in Christian churches be so concerned about it?

      • ALM247

        Yes. Jesus shaded the living daylights out of folks. I have hollered at some of things quoted in the bible.

        • kimest3e

          He really did. I have read my bible many times, and still go ouch when I read certain passages. Jesus straight up eclipsed people.

      • Well said.

  • Jane

    I view racism as a sort of corporate sin. Like in the Old Testament where the whole nation of Israel was always getting smited for turning away from God or whatever. It is something that everyone who’s in power in our country needs to repent from, not specific individuals.

  • Negro Libre

    Some points:

    – Racism isn’t a sin. At best it’s the rationalization for a sin. Evil and sin aren’t synonymous…i.e. Genocide in the Bible.
    – Social Gospel ? Social Justice
    – Historically speaking, the roots of the Black Church and the roots of the BLM are in opposition to each other – and will always be on ideological grounds, regardless of how strong the calls for unity are. There was a reason there was tension between Black Nationalism and the Integrationist of the Civil Rights Movement…those difference never went away.

    • I love that last point. As I got older and past the GED basics of the Civil Rights Movement, a lot of people who came up in that era from New York didn’t really F with MLK that heavy. It wasn’t that they were against him per se as much as a relatively well off Southern preacher has a different perspective than someone who grew up in a Northern ghetto working a government job or in a factory somewhere. He particularly didn’t reach the West Indian community in New York because, from their perspective, he was a Yankee man who couldn’t relate to them. On the flip side, Malcolm X could much more easily relate to the New York Black Man on the street, and he’s still beloved to this day. There’s a lot more kids named Malik than Martin in the hood. Jussayin.

      The interesting phenomenon around BLM is that a lot of the old fault lines are reasserting themselves. It isn’t that Black America doesn’t want justice vis a vis the police. It’s that, in no small part due to the CRM, we do live a much wider spread of lives. It’s a bit silly for an intellectual queer woman married to a transman to relate to a traditional Southern preacher who loves his Steve Harvey suits. Still, that’s OK. That tension is healthy.

      • Negro Libre

        True, the tension’s also a product of an inherent contradiction in black politics: whether blackness gets to be defined as a separate entity from America, or if blackness gets to be defined as a part of America, which all leads to the cognitive dissonance of black politics. The tension is good, if not necessary, but it does put an unacknowledged cap and barrier on how far black politics can take us.

      • Brooklyn_Bruin

        My experience with the BLM after attending a few of their events was that they were hella young in the thought process. Very much wedded to that occupy Walt street mentality and deliberative democracy.

        Read as, I’m way too old for all that “communication”

        • RaeNBow

          LOL! i’ve kinda felt the same :-/

          • Brooklyn_Bruin

            Too much democracy. Too much collaboration,, kills the spirit

            • RaeNBow

              precisely. It took 2 years for the ‘movement’ as it were, to come up with principles on what they are even about. now, i understand that policy statement was drafted with input of 40 or 50 different orgs, but that is soooooooo much time wasted. smh. i don’t like inefficiency

        • That’s just a generation gap. The Occupy Wall Street set and the core of BLM were influenced by modern college activism. I saw the beginnings of it during my era, but I never thought it would go national. It definitely did.

      • Question

        Good stuff – and your latter paragraph is something I think a LOT about. And this is what I like about how BLM is maturing – its shifting to a set of goals that I think all Black people can get on board with. Its easy for Andre and Bo’ from Blackish to be hesitant about wanting to protest in the streets for Ezell Ford (“ehh, that’s not my problem”); its a lot harder to come with excuses for why you reject or refuse to support ideas like economic opportunity, improved educational opportunities in low income neighborhoods etc. Its a lot easier to associate one’s self with those ideals, regardless of position in society.

    • LadyJay?

      Sinning =Evil. Why are you complicating things?!?!?

  • miss t-lee

    “If you attend a Christian church that has little to say in support of the movement for Black lives, if your pastor has called for prayer in regard to unity but has not pushed the congregation to engage in social protests to address the systemic nature of racial injustice, then White supremacy, not Jesus, may be your god.”

    Yeah…this is pretty much the reason I’ve attended a church that is 95% Black my entire life, and will continue to do so. I would never attend a church that would flat out ignore social justice issues. Maybe because SJ is a big part of my denomination, I just can’t wrap my mind around ignoring it in favor of some Kumbayah go along to get along situation.

    • I don’t attend but this is all very interesting. I remember listening to Tunde’s podcast last year and they were discussing an op-ed where and older black lady lamented that BLM isn’t rooted in the church because of how historically important the black church was in the “movement”. She made her point but neglected to see how today’s kids are doing it differently.

      Her perspective was however the opposite of the Kumbayah types which was a good thing. I often think that method goes back to how conservative many black churches are too.

      • miss t-lee

        I get where the folks who came up during the CRM are coming from. However BLM have different tactics merely because it’s a different time.
        I don’t think it’s any less effective due to the fact that it wasn’t born from the church per se’, I mean lots of folks aren’t even in the church, so tactics definitely have to change, in order for the message to reach as many folks as possible.
        Plus, as my denomination preaches, you gotta get outside of those 4 walls. Evangelize…and as far as I’m concerned I fee like BLM is doing that in their own way.

        • That was my issue with the lady’s statement. Things change. Tactics and focus changes also. We can’t act like everyone in CRM movement was in the church in the first place. They were simply different forces fighting the same war.

          • Sigma_Since 93

            “We can’t act like everyone in CRM movement was in the church in the first place.”

            That’s why Martin was in the pool hall getting the message out.

            • miss t-lee

              Gotta meet folks where they are.

              • Jesus hung out with the poor in the streets and such so yeah.

          • miss t-lee

            Very true.
            More than one way to skin a cat.

      • Brooklyn_Bruin

        Lol at that lady, like every black church was bout it.

  • PDL – Cape Girl Shero

    Skin problem is a sin problem because it stems from hate, which is sin. It won’t be eradicated by mixed dinners and get togethers. I’ll agree there. Hate is ONLY washed away by the love of God.

    We don’t target “racism” in my church. We talk from the Word. God speaks to love and hate, which ultimately is the root cause when we can’t come together and live equally because of skin color and stereotypes. Get folks hearts right and loving God, loving one another will follow. Everybody don’t “get” this tho.

    • ALM247


      • Mary Burrell

        Wave at ALM?

        • ALM247

          Hello Mary :) *Waves back*

          • truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

            Sister, Hello. :) I remember you dropping jewels in Clutch.

            • Mary Burrell

              Good evening Truth ?

              • truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

                Good Evening Sister Mary Burrell. I hope that you’re having a Blessed Day.

            • ALM247

              Hi Truth :) *Waves*

              • truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

                Enjoy Your Day Sister.

    • Buster Cannon

      Get folks hearts right and loving God, loving one another will follow. Everybody don’t “get” this tho.


    • Jacqueline

      I hear what you are saying, but honestly, I personally treat people right because it should be the natural thing to do, I do not need a prompt from God.

      I think that is why we have this whole thing wrong. We are ultimately making someone else (or another entity) responsible for the choices we make.

      Just my two cents.

      • PDL – Cape Girl Shero

        I’m not here to convince folks that reject and denounce unbelievers to be saved or believe in God or come to understanding the world’s healing lies with God. I’m here (my walk, my life) to let my light shine for someone that’s lost and trying to find the way.

        All I can respond with is with what Christ said to the self righteous folks:
        Mark 2:17 He said unto them, “They that are whole have no need of the physician, but they that are sick. I came not to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”

        If it’s not for you, then do you boo….by all means.

        • Cheech

          I was with you right up until the quotes around good.

          The doubting and the unbelieving do good too!

          • Buster Cannon

            That’s just it, from a Christian standpoint there’s no such thing as “good” without Christ.

            • Cheech

              Christianity is a big house; there are many rooms. But from an “I am the only way” perspective, I get you. (That’s the part I have trouble with.)

      • Darren Nesbitt

        Very true.

      • United_Dreamer

        Church is a “church of sinners”. So it’s for those who need to be reminded. For whom it’s not natural. People who need help.

      • NonyaB

        This agnostic/atheist approves. ? Because morality is not exclusive to religion and viewing it as otherwise suggests non-religious people are amoral or people in general can’t independently can’t think/do good.

        • Jacqueline

          Agreed!! Religion should reinforce what you already know, which should put people on the same level as the non-religious.

      • Objection

        I personally treat people right because it should be the natural thing to do

        This is your philosophy. What is natural to you may not be natural to others. Religion is nothing more than a philosophy given a name. Your philosophy just happens to agree with Christianity. There are people who believe, “the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must.”

        Not all religion or agnostic/atheist believe in is so called “teat people right.” Kim Jong II is an atheist, and I’m sure he doesn’t agree with your philosophy.

        • Jacqueline


    • JennyJazzhands

      I was thinking the same thing. Racism is sin.

      • LadyJay?

        It is. No doubt. No debate.

    • Asiyah

      “Skin problem is a sin problem because it stems from hate, which is sin.
      It won’t be eradicated by mixed dinners and get togethers. I’ll agree
      there. Hate is ONLY washed away by the love of God.”


      and by eradicating the ego!

      • PDL – Cape Girl Shero

        I’m only here for the up votes…..and to let my light shine

        UP VIOTE!

        • Asiyah

          you and your ego ;)


    • Mary Burrell

      Selah and amen

    • occupiesthethrone

      So, what about Christian white supremacists? If God and love will erase racism, than why was the Bible used to justify slavery? And Jim Crow? I genuinely just don’t understand the “loving God will end racism!” because the white folks were loving God while they brutalized black folks. When they bomb abortion clinics and kill people. The KKK are Christians too.

      • PDL – Cape Girl Shero

        You didn’t get my memo apparently. I’ll say it again just for you,k? I’m not here for you blasphemers, false prophets and antichrists. NOPE!
        I ain’t here for you angry folks, mad at God.

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