Race & Politics

If No More Race Cards, Then No More Racism. Right.

Even Michelle Obama pulls the Black card with a smile.

Even Michelle Obama pulls the Black card with a smile.

Do you know what I legitimately hate? I hate it when people (namely white people, not all obviously considering my, ahem, pedigree) imply that if Black people stopped making race an issue, then race would cease to be an issue. As if every Black person refrained from assuming that racism existed and stopped making any associations between the color of our skin and the conditions that exist in America (and/or globally) then things would magically be…okay. Not even better, but okay.

Are there times when some Black folks run the race card unnecessarily? (And for this post I will basically be using race card and Black card interchangeably since 95 percent of al race card mentions are really just Black cards. And yes, Virginia, I made up that stat.) Yes. Just yesterday I accused the unexplainable weather patterns of being racist in nature. I’m pretty sure that race has nothing to do with it, but there’s still about a 2 percent chance that it’s personal. Because I’m Black.

Real talk though, I honestly don’t get it – hence why I hate it since I’m afraid of things I don’t understand. Actually, let me not tell that lie. I do get it. I get it because if I wanted somebody to get over something I’d probably tell them the same thing. Hey, I ran you over with my car but I’m over it you should get over it too. And since so many white people do indeed think that racism is a thing of the past, especially considering Obama’s coloredness, then it stands to reason that the only reason that racism would NOW exist is because Black folks won’t let it go. Nevermind that a solid HALF of the country did not vote for him.

Which is interesting if you think about. A conservative white person will likely opine that racism cannot still be an issue because our country managed to put a Black man into the highest office in the land. This falls apart for so many reasons if you would take the time to look at the people who voted him into office. Yet and still, a person who did not vote for him would still make the argument that his ascendance is proof positive of a new day. Which it is, symbolically. It’s a win for the history books. It’s a win for what it represented. It didn’t represent the end of racism; it represented the possibility that racism could end. One day. Eventually. Long after anybody reading this site is dead and gone.

The other reason I get is because I’m not sure the vast majority of white people actually believe in institutional racism. Like Richard Pryor stated in his infamous, “those people are resisting arrest” routine, the view is that all actions occur in a vacuum. There’s no correlation to many white people. Even many poor white people might struggle with the idea that redlining took place. Or the most poignant test of all time in my opinion where you submit resumes with ethnic names vs “normalized” names and see who gets called back. I remember having a conversation with some white friends of mine in grad school about that and despite accepting it as fact – they couldn’t deny the numbers placed before them – they still struggled with it being true. I mean, come on, not in America where everybody wins!

Which probably explains why so many think that if you stop saying “Black this, Black that…” the issues go away because from the outside looking in there are no issues. Stop and frisk is a preventative measure, not profiling. And catching one person justifies the 99 that were profiled unnecessarily.

Or you get people who say stupid sh*t like this:

It is striking that during what many had hoped would be a post-racial America, racial division has been amplified, owing not least to sustained media attention. Then again, maybe we’re experiencing the final death rattle of our racist past. Perhaps all those suppressed thoughts and feelings of anger, hurt and frustration had to rise to the surface before they finally could be eradicated.

I tend to be one of those people who does believe that its darkest before the dawn. I truly do. Despite my less than stellar church record, much of that is rooted in my belief in God. It’s no wonder so many Black folks are religious, you need SOMETHING to keep you holding on. But I also can be realistic and to to listen to some non-sensical woman basically chide Black folks for playing the race card against other Black folks is irony that I’m not even equipped to handle. Then to even surmise that all of the alleged race-baiting happening nowadays is perhaps going to bring us out of our racist heritage (and it is a heritage)? If I could tell this woman “N*GGA please” I would. You can’t kill racism by hoping Black folks just let it go UNLESS white people acknowledge that racism is still a problem and in effect attempt to change it. It’s the same argument with rape culture…victims can’t fix the problem, it has to come from the folks who are rapin’ everybody out here.

Basically, the ones who perpetuate the problem by being the problem in the first place are the ones who have to do the heavy lifting.

But I’m sleep.

So for now, I’m like the combination of Capitol One and American Express. What’s in my wallet? My race card. I don’t leave home without it.

Not for nothing and I hate to be pessimistic AND end this on such a loaded statement, but I don’t actually think America will ever truly make it to post-racial.

Until the aliens show up.

Love 40.

-VSB P aka MR. 39 OUNCES OF LOVE aka GIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIRL HE A 3

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Damon Young

Panama Jackson is pretty fly for a light guy. He used to ship his frito to Tito in the District, but shipping prices increased so he moved there to save money. When he's not saving humanity with his words or making music with his mouth, you can find him at your mama's mama's house drinking her fine liquors. Most importantly, he believes the children are our future.

  • http://tripsixes.com/about/ Trip

    Aliens can’t even fix this. Racist white people would fear what might happen if we got our hands on some of that tech.

    • Jay

      Zombies?

      • http://tripsixes.com/about/ Trip

        I just checked “The Apocalypse Survival Guide: Jet Centerfold Edition” and it states that zombies bite across racial lines, so consider this mess fixed up. I got my copy by redeeming my Black card purchase points.

        • Sandpaper

          I saw “The Apocalypse Survival Guide: Jet Centerfold Edition” just the other day. Their selection from Arkansas had me feeling some type of way.

    • afronica

      It was so odd that Panama mentioned aliens. The other day, I was thinking that white people won’t understand what it’s like to be black and perhaps specifically, a black man, until they understand that we are essentially E.T.

      I watched something that suggested that there are only a few human stories that we’ve told again and again throughout time (maybe it was “The Power of Myth”?). It summarized the story of the movie E.T. as “Get Home.” If
      whites could understand that Get Home – alive, unhurt, unharmed – is perhaps unconsciously every black person’s daily devotional, we’d have a shot at beginning to understand each other. That this is just the most basic part of the black catechism (others include be twice as good to get half as much, chess not checkers, debt is your enemy because money in America is freedom, never let them see you sweat, etc.), is the rest of the conversation that whites and blacks may never have.

      • http://tripsixes.com/about/ Trip

        This is one reason why I think the concept of aliens visiting is interesting to Black people. Many whites will only be able to understand these concepts you mention when they’re in a situation where their dominance in the social order is threatened by a more powerful entity. They’ve used technology advances (many re-purposed from the discoveries of others- The use of gunpowder with projectiles comes to mind) and religious/political/pseudo-scientific maneuvering to back-up their interests for years. The possibility of E.T. showing up and throwing a wrench into the works probably scares the power structure more than they would like to admit.

        The kind of vulnerability that dark-skinned people deal with worldwide would then be crystal clear to those coasting on privilege if E.T. decides they like what we got.

        • afronica

          *warning: pettiness follows*
          I kind of assume I’m going to get got when the aliens appear. My only wish is to have time to make some popcorn so I can watch the show as whites grapple with their new reality.

          • http://tripsixes.com/about/ Trip

            Hey if our time is up it would be a very interesting parting gift worthy of popcorn. Death makes all men equal in the end, but I imagine those who struggle the most are less surprised when the time comes.

  • IcePrincess

    Don’t feel like talkin bout racism right now, maybe in the mornin *shrug* But aye them reminisce joints go hard! U designed those, P?

    • Sahel

      Let’s talk about waterbeds then. What are your thoughts

      • JayIzUrGod

        She got that motion

        • Sahel

          Probably does,i saw a photo of her thanks to this whole VSB meetup’s. She can melt my ice anytime

          • JayIzUrGod

            I’ve yet to see these pics, I feel left out.

            • Sahel

              Don’t be. You will probably end up meeting them anyway. You are in the same country.

              • JayIzUrGod

                I’ve organized most of the NY meetups, you have no idea how much work it is to get folks who live close to each other to see each other for one night without complaints.

                • Sahel

                  Really,who knew. I would think everyone would be willing to go behind the avi

                  • JayIzUrGod

                    All these people got their own agendas, so you just learn to let them do what they are gonna do.

                • http://vagabondaesthetics.tumblr.com/ Ricky

                  some of us need our afternoon naps.

                  • JayIzUrGod

                    Naps? No. Drunken bouts of debauchery is more like it

                    • http://vagabondaesthetics.tumblr.com/ Ricky

                      There are a handful of VSS I’d like to engage in drunkun debauchery wife but naps man naps.

                    • Sahel

                      indeed

                    • Agatha Guilluame

                      LOL!

                    • afronica

                      *daps on naps*

                    • LMNOP

                      We need to organize a vsb nap time.

                    • afronica

                      We’ll need binkies with VSB embroidered on them and to install dimmers on the lights. Oh and condoms for @Todd in case he manages to hot todd his way into any non-sleep situations.

                    • Sahel

                      hahahahahaa

                    • LMNOP

                      lmao, yeah that would be Todd

      • IcePrincess

        Had one when I was a lil kid (hey, it was the 80’s!) They give u back pain, plus they can leak. No fun at all :(

    • panamajackson

      I did design them. You all have no idea how much of clothing designer I really want to be in life.

  • Jay

    What do you have against the word “it”. You dropped it in two of your sentences, that notwithstanding… nice post.

    I think its all a symptom of the “culture wars” between the two Americas that currently exist. Any change or progress angers those wishing for the “good ole days” to the point of delusion. White privilege damages us all… even the privileged, who believe that the lopsided playing field, being that way for so long, is the way that things should realistically be.

    I was reading this article: http://www.policymic.com/articles/87439/how-white-people-react-to-losing-their-majority-status-in-america about white people losing their majority status in America. Someone commented: “Will white people be able to stand for justice and kill white supremacy or will the majority of them hedge toward clinging to their privilege until the rest of the country rips it from there hands. Those are the options.” Kind of harsh and militant but…

    • http://tripsixes.com/about/ Trip

      Nobody likes to lose, but I’d hope that enough of them would want to be on the right side of history when it comes down to it.

      • Val

        I think the right side of history is different to different folks though.

        • http://tripsixes.com/about/ Trip

          This is true, but at least I know we’d fight for the same side Val :) *hands over binoculars and snacks*

    • JayIzUrGod

      White America will never give in peacefully. This will be a bloody, merciless battle up until the very last moment, and unforuntately, all it will prove is that the next group to take the spot will have learned none of the lessons White America should have learned. The power will go to their heads, and they will subjugate other races. That’s a staple of humanity.

      • http://www.twitter.com/IluminatiNYC Todd

        Exactly. Racism will end the moment something else arises to take its place. Don’t underestimate the ability of people to oppress others.

        • JayIzUrGod

          That’s is the legacy of humanity, to always be superior

      • Sandpaper
        • JayIzUrGod

          Nice find

    • SuperStrings

      “Will white people be able to stand for justice and kill white supremacy or will the majority of them hedge toward clinging to their privilege until the rest of the country rips it from there hands. Those are the options.”

      The singularity will ensue either way.

    • panamajackson

      I forgot the word “it”? This is what happens when you don’t proofread b/c your eyes are starting to cross from exhaustion.

      • LMNOP

        You know what? Earlier this week I was all confused because posts seemed to be coming at weird times and I was thinking to myself how in the few years I’ve been sporadically commenting here, vsb has probably literally been the most consistent thing in my life. Rain, sleet, blizzards, exhaustion, personal tragedy, days when you just don’t gaf, you guys write something through it all, and keep this place going. And I know I definitely take it for granted, but I know you and champ have put a lot into vsb, and it is appreciated.

        • Val

          I agree. I really admire VSB’s consistency. I’ve had a few different blogs and for a long time I tried to write at least one post a day. After a while I totally burned out. Now, I write a post or two once a week and sometimes I still struggle. VSB gets major kudos from me.

          • panamajackson

            Thank you. That daily post grind is a hard one.

        • panamajackson

          Thanks. Yeah, you know what happened earlier this week? I feel asleep Sunday night, literally with my laptop in my lap. I came to work and wrote a post. Then the Mimi tape hit…and instead of waiting until midnight, we decided to run it when I finished it. And instead of writing a post at midnight we let that one run b/c it apparently lit up the Internets though you can’t tell from any reasonable metric. But we’re going to start posting more anyway.

          But thank you. We appreciate that you notice. It aint easy. But we do enjoy the community we built here. And thanks for showing up.

  • Ms Butterfly

    I feel sort of pessimistic about race in america….I hope we don’t end up going the way of latin america, but it seems likely. Elite White people currently in power will just continue to widen the wealth gap until only they control government and the financial market, creating a permanent underclass of black/brown people. Then, they’ll just assimilate Asians and lighter skinned hispanics as their own by pitting them against black people.

    • Sahel

      The wealth issue has all races in it. There are very rich black people who enjoy the status quo.

      • Ms Butterfly

        Yeah, but they don’t have the power and influence behind their wealth to enact change. Wall street runs DC as it is, and it’s about to to be even more so now that they have gotten rid of the limit on campaign contributions. Unless black people figure out how to surreptitiously penetrate that old white boys club and becomes captains of that industry, we’re in trouble. All americans really, but especially black people.

        • Sahel

          And therein in lies the problem,the rich will always band with the rich no matter what. To me this is not about race but privilege.

          • Val

            Really? So I guess cops in NY check bank statements before stopping and frisking Black men to make sure they aren’t rich? The real privilege is in the skin color not bank accounts. A dirt poor White man can go places and have access to things the richest Black man will have a problem gaining access to. Race trumps everything in America.

            • JayIzUrGod

              Try explaining that to poor White folks who feel like they’ve never managed to take advantage of their White privilege. They will call us liars and tell us we have no clue what we speak of. Because there is always a counter argument based on personal experiences. Thats what makes finding the real truth amongst this issue all the more pointless after a while, the hate just runs too deep in too many directions.

              • Val

                Just because someone refuses to understand something doesn’t make it not true.

                • JayIzUrGod

                  That’s the point though. The truth is eventually muddles in a sea of emotions that cannot be controlled. Facts can never be altered,but emotions can manipulate the world around the truth, to the point where people will bwgin to think the truth is a lie.

                  • afronica

                    I don’t think emotions are what causes the manipulation, though. There was a study recently that proposed that people who use Fox News as their only news source are actually less well informed than people who watch no news at all (http://www.slate.com/blogs/business_insider/2014/01/30/does_watching_fox_news_make_you_less_informed.html ).

                    Sure, Fox appeals to emotion. But I think it’s more the relentless repetition of lies, lies and more damn lies that does the damage. Couple that with Luntz-tuned phrases that mean never having to say you’re a racist, and voila! You have what a friend of mine deals with when he talks to his father. He tries reasoning with the man and providing peer-reviewed evidence on climate change, welfare, pay disparity, you name it. What he gets in response from his father is like pressing play on a recording and having Fox News catchphrases and “facts” come out. His father starts to repeat that “information,” using the exact same phrases and words, when pressed or asked to extrapolate.

                    It’s not emotions, it’s inculcation used for bad and not for good.

                    • Val

                      I hate it so much when the media talks to average Tea Party types who recite the party line but the media never asks them to explain. Which we all know they couldn’t because like you said they are just repeating phrases they’ve heard.

                    • afronica

                      True, but I must say, I-don’t-know-what-the-jack-I’m-talking-about is kind of a non-partisan disease.

                      I was never a Leno fan, but the Jay Walking bit on his show killed me. People are quick to give an answer, but when you start asking them to really explain that answer, watch out. *dodges flying ignorance* I say this as someone who doesn’t enjoy studying history, though, so I’m guilty myself.

                    • JayIzUrGod

                      I get what you’re saying love. But like the example with your friend and his dad, that is emotions at work. That father does not want to change the way he views the world,he believes he is right despite not actually having his own opinion. This is why your friend has to be tactful when talking to him,because the emotions quickly jump to anger when certain keywords are stated.

                    • afronica

                      I think we’re probably close to agreeing on this. I think my friend’s father’s fear at seeing the world change in ways that alarm him led him to start tuning in to Fox. Once firmly ensconced in that echo chamber, he absorbed its misinformation readily because it promised to explain this frightening new world to him, and in a way that didn’t assault any of the ideas he already had.

                      I’m just always wary when people start dissing emotion like it was ebola. Often men in particular equate emotion with being a woman, so that rhetoric about logic and good debate devolves into gender wars.

                      My experience has been that dividing logic from emotion leaves you with the reasonable man of law, the economic man of Economics, etc. – perfectly calibrated tools for academic discourse that are worse than useless for anything else.

            • http://missrosen.wordpress.com/ esa

              ~ A dirt poor White man can go places and have access to things the richest Black man will have a problem gaining access to.

              Miss Val I usually agree with you but here, i respectfully disagree. Richard Parsons has none of these problems.

              • http://www.twitter.com/IluminatiNYC Todd

                Word. 50 years ago, you would be right. Now, not so much. Outside of the whole stop-and-frisk thing, a well-off Black kid has more opportunities than a poor White kid, and both of them know it. Heck, a decent amount of the efforts of the Republican Party are about hollering at that poor White kid on his issues and talking about ways to get that old thing back.

                • http://missrosen.wordpress.com/ esa

                  i hear you. i wasnt speaking about the street. i was speaking about access. access, as i define it, is doors that open. doors take you off the street. access to the worlds i’ve seen Mr. Parsons enter, man, mahh silly azz wouldnt get one foot near unless i was the help. which i was, in one way or another.

              • Sigma_Since 93

                Richard Parsons still black ain’t he???? The first line of defense, police officers, doesn’t care if you are rich. Just ask:

                Dee Brown
                Henry Gates
                Doug Glanville

                • http://www.twitter.com/IluminatiNYC Todd

                  I see your point, but Skip Gates is still a Harvard professor, and Doug Glanville is still an Ivy-educated former MLB commentator. Let’s not have the focus on stop-and-frisk blind us to the totality of experience.

                  • Sigma_Since 93

                    Those things don’t matter if the first line of defense or the community assess that you don’t belong or you are out of place.

                • http://missrosen.wordpress.com/ esa

                  yes. Val’s comment was about access. i’ve seen just a fraction of Mr. Parson’s access, in person, in rooms filled with white money. it wasn’t something i would say i’ve seen in many other folk, of any race.

                  • Sigma_Since 93

                    But Mr. Parson’s access is a function of someone else a) identifying him and b) allowing him access. Mr. Parson’s connections still can’t get him a membership at Augusta National…..

                    • http://missrosen.wordpress.com/ esa

                      ~ But Mr. Parson’s access is a function of someone else a) identifying him and b) allowing him access.

                      isnt that how access works ? that’s what i’ve seen with white folk interacting with white folk. aww see now you’re bringing back memories of Kenny Kenny doing the door at Life ..

                    • Sigma_Since 93

                      We are often asked to validate our credentials more than others; that’s the fallacy with the system.

                    • http://missrosen.wordpress.com/ esa

                      i dont doubt it. i see the slants white folks make. but i also know a lot of folks who could be written off as outliers. only everyone i know is an outlier in some form and they stay using the system to their advantage. i see both sides of it but i hyper focus on people who stay on the winning side.

                    • http://www.twitter.com/IluminatiNYC Todd

                      *ding ding ding* That is EXACTLY how access works!

                  • Agatha Guilluame

                    I think Sigma hit the nail on the head regarding the fact that “Mr. Parson’s access is a function of someone else a) identifying him and b) allowing him access.”, of course Oprah comes to mind more but more appropriately think of Harvard professor Henry Louis Gates who was denied access to his own home and had to have the president step in…think about the implications of access in that light.

                    • http://vagabondaesthetics.tumblr.com/ Ricky

                      (in regards to Mr. Parson) reminds of a quote by Dr. Amos Wilson where he makes mention of the fact that every single successful Black person will be used as a crux against all Black people. I need to find the original quote again.

                    • http://missrosen.wordpress.com/ esa

                      excellent illustration, thank you ~

              • Val

                As Sigma said below, Mr. Parson’s access is based upon him being recognized as Richard Parsons CEO. If he isn’t recognized as such then his access is denied. Whereas a White man’s access is based upon the color of his skin, not his job. That’s the difference.

                • Sigma_Since 93

                  Give that lady a cupie doll. Better yet, give me the tumblr address since I’m at home and can view without the man looking over my shoulder.

                • afronica

                  “Mr. Parson’s access is based upon him being recognized as Richard Parsons CEO. If he isn’t recognized as such then his access is denied.”

                  Yes.

                  “Whereas a White man’s access is based upon the color of his skin, not his job.”

                  I would say that the big privilege of being white is being left alone. I think everyone has seen white people grit on other white people because they are “uncouth” or “don’t belong.” A really basic level of access is granted based on white skin color, yes, but there really are levels to this ish.

                  The peace that passes black human understanding is the peace to just be without harassment of one kind or another.

        • ForeverCC

          i was discussing this with someone recently who felt the same way you do about power and change. my stance was that power and change doesn’t have to be on a global scale…if wealthy blacks have the power to change the circumstances for their future generations and their surroundings (because i didn’t want them to be selfish lol), does that lessen the change they’ve made? it was an interesting conversation to say the least.

    • Val

      But hasn’t all of that already begun to happen?

      • Sahel

        Has it.

      • Sandpaper

        It certainly has. The American dollar is on it’s way out as the currency of choice. The BRICS countries have recently decided to trade using other currencies and even bartering. Look for a march towards WW3 coming soon to a tv near you.

        • ratchet d-Ibaka

          Folks keep underestimating China, which if I’m not wrong, from the last research I did, in 2020, they are well set exonomically to take over. Lawd hammercy! A lot of “wiya wung wung, $5 if you don’t have it get out of my store”

          • Val

            The Chinese aren’t going to be able to take over for a few reason. Economic inequality is worse than here in the States. When you have a couple of million rich folks and a billion poor ones there are going to be problems of a huge magnitude.

            Also, their civil rights issues run very deep. They’re ripe for a revolution.

            And finally, the low wages that put them where they are have already begun to rise making China non-competitive already in manufacturing.

            • ForeverCC

              seeing the difference between the haves and have-nots in china is crazy! they are SOOO drastic – i don’t have the words to describe it.

              tangent: it was refreshing to be seen as an american first (even tho the comments about americans were not so great all the time lol) with no racial identifier

            • http://vagabondaesthetics.tumblr.com/ Ricky

              Unless the Chinese generals ALLOW a revolution to happen there isn’t going to systematic change in China by the people. All successful revolutions are predicated on how a country’s military responds.

              • Val

                Except that the military is mostly made up of the people. Your average soldier’s family is suffering just like everyone elses family. It’s only the upper echelon of the military who can insulate their families from the government abuses.

                So, when the ish hits the fan you can believe that a very significant amount of the military will side with the people. That’s exactly what happened in Egypt.

                • http://vagabondaesthetics.tumblr.com/ Ricky

                  In Egypt the military stood to the side though Val. There weren’t privates who deserted their post to engage in the revolution. The general order his troops to not interfere. It was the state (police) v the people. Not the military. There isn’t a single revolution in the 20th century that has been successful when the military engaged with the people.

                  • Val

                    The military toppled Mubarak, Malik. They saw the writing on the wall and realized going against the tide would have destroyed the entire country and sided with the people. And, they did it again when they removed the president recently. Don’t you think that could happen in China?

                    • SuperStrings

                      I don’t think there is going to be a revolution in China. I think their continued financial prosperity is going to allow them to tackle some of the more pressing issues in their country.

            • Sahel

              The only thing that may lead to a revolution in China is climate change.

              • afronica

                Does that include pollution?

                • Sahel

                  Yes,Beijing is a mess of thick brown air

              • Val

                They may be too sick to revolt though. It’s really bad over there.

                • Sahel

                  Which is what will lead to a change of leadership in the long run. The air quality affects everybody directly,no political or ideological divides on breathing

                  • Val

                    Good point.

          • Sandpaper

            My best guess is no. We will have a one world gov’t by then.

      • afronica

        The current wrinkle in this scenario that is fascinating me is the Michael Lewis/Flashboys/Brad Katsuyama/HFT story. It’s like rubbernecking at a car wreck to watch the white truly rich snack on the white middle class that spent their lives following the playbook of America only to find that they are unprotected. Watching an animal eat its young and helpless is uncomfortable and entrancing. It also echoes in the outright meal the white middle class has made of lower class whites, convincing their unwashed brethren via Fox News to vote and speak against their own interests.

        All of this is happening to black people too. But it’s just weird to watch them do it to each other.

        • Val

          True, the hate and racism is so strong that despite the writing on the wall they’ve been led to vote against their own interests. Republicans, who represent the rich, use race as a wedge. And racial hatred trumps everything. Many would rather sink the ship rather than let go of their hatred. And, wealthy Whites have known this for a long time. Thus they have employed the Southern Strategy for the last 50 years to much success.

          • afronica

            It’s also cynically amusing to watch the Southern Strategy morph into the Southern Border Strategy, even as the demographic shift in those states changes to favor latinos.
            @JayIzUrGod:disqus made a comment somewhere today that whites are working to assimilate latinos and asians and turn them against blacks. Except that someone forgot to send that memo to the Tea Party as it regards latinos. And while asians both play and are seen as the Model Minority, I wonder how that’s going to work when the sino backlash happens. And I’d bet on my gradma’s grave that backlash is on its way.

            • Val

              Republicans are angry at so-called Hispanics. Their plan, which originated with Richard Nixon, was to let the flood gates of illegal immigration open thinking that most of those people once legalized, which Reagan did in the 80’s, would vote Republican. But, lo and behold they voted for Democrats in huge numbers. So the boarder wars are payback.

              • Sahel

                Let me ask,who owns America.

                • Val

                  The Oligarchs.

                  • Sahel

                    Nope.American Indians. Everyone tends to forget they lost more than anyone else

                    • LMNOP

                      Never really be justice on stolen land.

                    • Sahel

                      These guys are a truly forgotten lot. They are restricted to reservations in a place they originally owned. If any reparations were to start,it should start with them

                    • LMNOP

                      And those boarding schools… that was pretty recent

                    • Val

                      That’s true. Native Americans are the most invisible Americans. And, I think their reservations and the control they have over that land are ‘supposed’ to be their reparations.

                    • Sahel

                      They are the only americans,the rest of you guys are squatters

                    • Val

                      Wrong, African Americans are not squatters. We were brought here against our will.

                    • Val

                      They owned the land but they don’t own it now. The oligarchs stole it.

                    • LMNOP

                      That’s an interesting question though. Do you own something you stole?

                      I knew this kid who stole a bike, and then it got stolen and he called the police, who were just like wtf? They didn’t think he ever owned the bike, just that he was in possession of stolen property.

                    • Val

                      I get your point. But, the reality is that Native Americans have no control over the land and the powers that be, who make the laws, do not consider them owners of it. The moral part of it is not something those that took the land consider at this point.

                    • LMNOP

                      I know. I’m pretty sure the moral part has never been considered.

                      Like if the kid in question had been an oligarch, I bet they would have got his bike back.

                      That happened like 10 years ago and it still cracks me up.

                    • Val

                      That reminds me of drug dealers who call the police when someone robs them of their drugs. Lol

              • afronica

                Seriously? Wow. My mind just skipped a beat. I’ll look for some information on that because that sounds soooo interesting.

                I hate to study history, so why is all the good stuff always there? Dagnabbit. *kicks ground*

                • Sahel

                  Am a historian.,i can put all my knowledge in you. I only require 48 hours

                  • afronica

                    If we’re talking Vulcan mind meld, come ahead. If we’re talking Sahellishness, nein, danke. Though I still plan to sing a tune come June.

                    • Sahel

                      Come on,i can teach you how the west was won and why the statue of liberty is Lucifer

              • SuperStrings

                Because they thought all latino immigrants would follow the Cuban model. Huge mistake. Fidel’s revolution in Cuba displaced the wealthy white landowners, who fled to America. So, the ones here now (and their descendants) were basically the Republicans in Cuba pre-Castro.

            • http://tripsixes.com/about/ Trip

              I mentioned something very similar in conversation this morning. Just don’t say that they better open their eyes to what’s coming. I don’t care how well-intentioned you might be.

              • afronica

                I take it you got some push back this morning when you mentioned that?

                • http://tripsixes.com/about/ Trip

                  Not from the one this morning, but from a another convo I had, my choice of words didn’t go over too well. The underlying point I was trying to make was that a lot of the assimilation I see from Asians was dangerous- the “I’ll drink in everything white society says” type of crap, especially when paired with stereotypes passed down about other people. I mentioned that it wasn’t ancient history when all kinds of Asians got locked up in internment camps around WWII and the European propaganda machine working against them when many Asian countries were needed to expand interests with trade-routes and land back in the day. As soon as you become a threat of some sort, you can expect to be turned on. My warning was not to get too comfy with this model-minority BS.

                  • afronica

                    We are of similar mind today, man. I almost ended my comment about sino backlash with a note that the Japanese internment camps (accompanied by forfeiture of land Japanese families owned) weren’t that long ago. But you know, there are none so blind…

            • TheOtherJerome

              “And while asians both play and are seen as the Model Minority, I wonder how that’s going to work when the sino backlash happens. ”

              Asians voted in higher numbers for Obama then Hispanics. Republicans think they are entitled to the Asian vote because #ConservativeWormhole

              But the fact is a large portion of white conservatives feel threatened by Asians and thusly don’t like them very much. Republicans being the more lunkheaded of the two parties, do a poor job of hiding this distain. So, Asians are very aware of this and vote accordingly.

              Republican voters also really want Blacks and Hispanics to dislike each other. So they’re holding out hope for some sort of a race war between us that will save them from their electoral problems. Of course Blacks and Hispanics know “it aint that deep”.

              Plus… Republicans don’t like Hispanic people all that much (i’m starting to notice a pattern) and Hispanic people KNOW that Republicans don’t like them. And so vote accordingly .

              That reminds me. Back in the early aughts Republicans made a big push to get some of the Black vote. Their are tons of Black conservatives of course, just not Black Republicans. So they did outreach through churches and what not. However…….. Republicans don’t like Black people all that much (This keeps happening) and so Black conservatives mostly don’t vote for them.

              Racism makes you brain rot.

              • afronica

                The path to future Republican victory runs straight through people they actively hate/viscerally fear. Sweet, sweet irony. I just hope the Republicans keep acting out in public.

                But I do wonder when our alternative to one party Democratic rule is going to show up, though, cuz no options = taken for granted = no bueno.

                • Val

                  “…cuz no options = taken for granted = no bueno.”

                  Say that again so the peeps in the cheap seats can hear you.

          • SuperStrings

            This strategy give poor whites something tangible to blame for the reason why haven’t been successful in a system that is designed for them to win.

    • JayIzUrGod

      They already assimilated Asians and Hispanics and pitted them against Black America. All that’s necessary is for that Chinese and Latin America money to come in by the boatloads to put the final nail in the coffin.

      • Sahel

        Latin America is a mess in terms of race relations

        • JayIzUrGod

          Yes it is, but their money isn’t, and the more our American businesses keep drooling over the billions of dollars they can pump out of Latin America, they will do whatever it takes to get them to follow our lead.

  • kidvideo

    Love 40 was my phrase when it was
    a thing…too bad it was to early for tha meme era.

    The black/white thing can be summed up by watching the film “48 Hours”…
    Nolte(2520)needs to catch a bad guy, and gets Shabazz K. Morton out of jail to to help him…
    They have sh*ts and giggles.
    Nolte gets job done…Billy Ray Valentine goes back to jail.
    Ganz was a bad MF.

    • Jay

      If we’re talking Eddie Murphy movies and race relations Trading Places trumps everything.

  • Val

    Yep, race shaming is the latest tactic by racist White folks and Black folks with colonized minds to shut us up and have us accept whatever happens. It’s actually working pretty well.

    There are a whole lot of otherwise right-thinking Black people who will do everything possible to attribute what most of us see as racism to something else. Or to simply blame the victims of racism, ala Don Lemon, for not assimilating enough. Because if we Black folks didn’t litter then racism would disappear, right?

    Racism won’t go away because the perpetrators of racism, White folks and their institutions still benefit from it. So, there’s really no relief in sight. We can only do what those before us have done and try to insulate ourselves from it as much as possible. That’s all I got.

    • Sahel

      Man,when Val gets on that soap box i forget i can’t hit on her

      • JayIzUrGod

        It is super sexy, no lie.

    • JayIzUrGod

      You’re right, but we still need to get smarter first, not angrier. The more savvy we are about our enemies tactics, the better equipped we are to fight them on on their level and beyond.

      • Sahel

        These guys are simply buying and dividing people. Anger helps nobody in a game of chess

        • JayIzUrGod

          That’s what I keep saying, they playing chess, angry folks playing Connect Four.

          • http://www.twitter.com/IluminatiNYC Todd

            The problem is that the leadership is bought out by Milton Bradley, trying to move them board games. *smh*

    • http://batman-news.com MicTheMessenger

      I def agree with you Val. In terms of the sole purpose of AA’s being in the States in the first place the mission is FULLY accomplished; free labor. Now we’re just a control group in an experiment that has run its course, sitting in the lab closet. There’s no need for anyone to be racist towards blacks with the intention of oppression anymore: it’s perpetuated by US.

      We have no business sense, no common sense, no cents. I speculate that half of us desire all the unsubstantial things, and the other half wants the things that matter, but we either can’t handle what it entails, or don’t wanna work for it.
      Honestly, EYE don’t even think we wanna win. We just wanna look good losing.
      Cuz black folks ALWAYS wanna LOOK good.

      • Val

        I didn’t say racism was perpetuated by us. In fact, I said the opposite. I simply noted how powerful the strategy of victim shaming is. So powerful that some Black folks have capitulated and now Blame Black folks for the continued existence of racism.

        And, if Black folks didn’t have business and common sense we wouldn’t have survived the last 200 plus years in this country. We are a remarkable people.

        • http://batman-news.com MicTheMessenger

          I’m not saying racism is perpetuated, i’m saying the resulting mindstate is (Willie Lynch). And we’ll always survive. But who wants to survive when thriving exists?

        • http://batman-news.com MicTheMessenger

          I’m not saying racism is perpetuated, i’m saying the resulting mindstate is (Willie Lynch). And we’ll always survive. But who wants to survive when thriving exists?

    • ForeverCC

      all of the “isms” will forever be in place because someone else receives the benefit of them being there.

      you and todd might break the internets today lol

  • JayIzUrGod

    As weird as it is to say this, I can’t blame white folks for always looking for a way to close the race book. When a minority group has proof that the majority group has been jerking them around, all the majority group wants to do is make that evidence go away, despite the fact that they continue to do what they said they’d work on not doing. Take men vs women for a second. We talk about gender equality, yet half of the American Senate voted against equal pay for women. Trying to talk about racist acts done by whites against colored folks is like talking to men about sexual discrimination against women: the majority group always finds a way to flip the conversation around to pose the idea that it is the minority’s fault these instances keep occurring, and will argue that point, instead of understanding through all the emotions and rhetoric, all the minority group wants is for the majority group to listen, acknowledge, apologize, and then come up with a plan to eliminate the problem that they will actually stick with til the end.

    But we all know this will never happen, and as long as folks want to run away from arguments because they personally feel like they shouldn’t be vilified due to their skin color, all the while choosing to never invest time to understanding the real issue, welp…we go nowhere fast every single time.But as I always say, folks of color, if you always come out with your voices high, your fingers pointed, and your anger swelling, you don’t really deserve the results you ask for. Real problems are solved when cooler heads can prevail. Easier said than done, oh yes, but that’s the only way, far as I can see.

    • h.h.h.

      if no one wants to be vilified with what they were born with, i could see why whites don’t want to be vilified for the actions of others (association and what not) but they should be a tad sympathetic to the plight/needs of others.

      • JayIzUrGod

        Its hard to be sympathetic to an issue that is also clouded in anger and negativity. Every White person that’s ever spoken to me about race always stated they were scared to talk about because people would get so angry that they didn’t understand. The converstion was then stunted. So i don’t angry, i listen to what they say and find analogies that can help them understand where we are coming from. Then they get it.

    • afronica

      Understanding why someone is standing on your neck even as you hear your bones crack is like rubbing your stomach and patting your head at the same time. It feels strange but can be done, slowly and with a lot of concentrated thought.

  • Rachmo

    +1000000

    • http://stanoffewwords.wordpress.com/ Tristan

      +1000001 New High Score *enters initials*

      • Rachmo

        This cracked me up

        • http://stanoffewwords.wordpress.com/ Tristan

          Figured it would, u understand my randomness

  • http://stanoffewwords.wordpress.com/ Tristan

    Guess who’s blizzack…idk why i opened with that *shrug*

    What it comes down to is eventually the privileged tire of hearing bout sh t. Men are fed up hearing about street harassment, fit women are playing tiny violins for the plight of the big girl, rich people swear poor people just need to not be poor anymore and problem solved, the religious will hold the Bible up to the gay community like scoreboardt.

    White people want racism to go away so badly. Black president, Oscars, affirmative action, why arent we even yet? Some even flip the script and try and play a reverse race card but its declined round here. At the end of the day its never going anywhere… Until aliens.

    • Sahel

      Imagine a planet of naked women…who are aliens of course

      • Val

        Or even just an island.

    • LMNOP

      I agree with most of this, definitely everybody always blame the victims of any situation.

      But I think that if this “White people want racism to go away so badly” was really, broadly true, that the overwhelming majority of white people in the US really cared deeply about ending racism, our country would be a very different place.

  • http://vagabondaesthetics.tumblr.com/ Ricky

    Obviously Black people can’t disconnect from white people. We do not have those resources in this country to do so. But I am tired that so many of our conversations are fixated on explaining things, both historical and present, to white people in regards to the systematic treatment of us.