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If #BlackLivesMatter Is A Hate Group, So Are A Few Others

In case you haven’t heard, Elizabeth Hasselbeck, that level-headed co-host of Fox & Friends and formerly of The View, suggested that the #BlackLivesMatter movement be classified as a hate group as video of protesters in St. Paul, Minnesota, used anti-police rhetoric loudly and proudly. This was in the wake of the recent, tragic shooting of a police officer in Texas, seemingly murdered in cold blood for being nothing other than a police officer. A shooting, might I add, that I can’t see a single, solitary soul condoning or encouraging. Nobody in the BLM movement is advocating for violence, just equal treatment.

Now, many people both inside and outside of the movement DO hate the police. This isn’t new. But almost each and every time a police officer has been callously killed, you hear people from all walks decrying such pointless violence. A tragedy is a tragedy. Which is, ya know, kind of the point. See, when a person of color, and hell a person not of color gets killed by a police officer, the public is SUUUUUUPER slow to recognize it as a tragedy and largely falls on the “perp had it coming” narrative that’s been getting blown to smithereens around this nation in the past few years. That veil of “resisting arrest” is being pulled back and by George, some people are just tired of taking that shit.

Saying Black lives matters doesn’t mean other lives don’t. Any idiot should be able to see that. Saying breast cancer matters doesn’t mean liver cancer doesn’t. But alas, walking and chewing gum is a difficult endeavor for many people, both dumb and educated, Black, white, or other. And while some of the actions of people operating under the movement can seem more disruptive than purposeful, the larger point is being tended to: that’s that Black people are getting tired of catching every type of hell from the media, police, and general public and aren’t going to continue sitting down for it. Action is better than inaction and if we’re being honest, awareness is definitely up.

But you know what? Why not? I’m sure some of the folks who fly the BLM flag hate stuff. Some of them probably hate some of the Black lives that matter. Really, who doesn’t have a cousin they hate but if that cat got shot by the cops you’d be out marching too? Hate is such a fickle thing. One day you hate somebody, the next day you love them; we call those relationships. I mean, there’s even a thin line between love and hate. And a song to boot!

But, if we’re going to call BLM a hate group based on their antics and rhetoric, wellllllll,  there are a few other organizations that might need to be classified as hate groups as well. Liiiiiiiiiiiiike…

1. The Police

This one is almost too easy. The police are killing people then hiding it under the guise of “necessary force” “resisting arrest” and “authority”. They’ve been profiling people of color, and using their authority to do something about it for eons. While an individual police officer can be a good person, the organization of “the police” is remarkably corrupt as evidenced by the recent spate of contradictory video that coincides with false reports, etc. The police are one of the worst hate groups ever, because their organized hate keeps killing people, regardless of color, and instead of wanting to reform itself, keeps digging its heels in further. How an organization tasked with protecting and serving kills people so frequently is beyond me. At the core, there’s a reason why SO many people, especially people of color, have such a visceral distrust of the police, and it’s not because minorities are all criminals that the police are trying to straighten out. It’s because to the police, all of us are guilty. To quote Verbal Kint, “To a cop the explanation is never that complicated. It’s always simple. There’s no mystery to the street, no arch criminal behind it all. If you got a dead body and you think his brother did it, you’re gonna find out you’re right.”

2. PETA

PETA might legit be a hate group. Or at least a shell for one. They’re one of the few groups who values the life of animals more than they do people, evidenced by their unnecessary shots at Michael Vick, a man who has paid his debt to society and probably raised more awareness about dogfighting than PETA ever could. But nooooooooo, they continue their verbal attacks. Not to mention that PETA activists have been known to douse people wearing furs in paint. Publicly. How is it that those actions don’t get them on the hate group map? The KKK is stealing all the glory, meanwhile PETA is acting like a bully. If PETA isn’t a hate group then I’m a rapper with a multiplatinum album to my name.

3. The Catholic Church

Have you seen The Da Vinci Code? Bad example. But the Crusades happened, paco. Many of them.

4. The non-Catholic Church

Have you ever been in a church pew and heard a pastor tell you that the homosexuals were all going to hell? While his clearly gay choir director sat uncomfortable to his right? I have. I get that the church largely rests its laurels in the teachings of the Bible, one of THE most out of date books in the history of everything.  I’m not saying conservative values are akin to hate, what I AM saying is that, those conservative values can sometimes elicit opinions that sound a whole lot like hate. That’s all I’m saying.

5. Fox News

I mean, its pretty hateful to imply a group of individuals trying to gain equality in treatment is a hate group. It’s also hateful to say 95 percent of the other shit that gets spewed on Fox News. In their defense, they just seem to be a bunch of loons so, ya know. But hey, coded racist rhetoric is that new age stuff so it is what it is. #hategroup

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  • TeeChantel

    So BLM is now a hate group. Some people are hilarious…and clueless at the same damn time.

  • Smh…

    A couple cops kill unarmed black citizens = a couple of bad apples.

    A couple of black people kill cops = warfare.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UDLxDTkaQ8

    • TeeChantel

      Exactly.

  • cogito

    If only Whoopi was around to shut her up. Fortunately, Ben Carson is the only Black Person that still takes this channel seriously.

  • Amber

    I think this is the best thing I’ve read about BLM so far.
    http://www.vox.com/2015/8/31/9211023/black-lives-matter-history

    • Yellow Tail

      Great article

  • uNk

    Fox news would be the ones to say some ish like this….Let us start calling out white organizations for some negative and racial comments and some how some way its considered “generalizing,” “not all white ppl and cops are racist you know,” or my personal favorite, “its always about race.”

  • Beauty In Truth

    And the house negro in the video agrees (Kevin Jackson). He labeled the entire movement as nonsense because of one chant. They are replying in kind. All that turn the other cheek is white imperialist dogma. He said their rally left a “stain.” This country is stained with the blood of all of white people’s racist filth and black people are done being passive about blatant disrespect, and disregard for our lives and well being.

    Gotta love these denialist blacks. “Please white people, know that I’m not like those other negroes.'” Now (these) are the type of negroes that need to be “done away with.” Sick and disgusting.

    And Elizabeth’s cry baby cumbahyah azz just needs to stop commenting on cultural issues. Yup Elizabeth dearest, it’s a big cold scary world out there for us colored folk. Best stick to covering soccer mom events and animal relief efforts since hard news topics clearly have not been your thing since The View.

    • Ian Winston

      Kumbaya

      • Beauty In Truth

        You clearly have 0 meaning and relevance in life. I spelled it like I want to. I also wrote azz with two Z’s instead of two S’s. Feel better now?

  • For the life of me I can not understand what people don’t get about #BlackLivesMatter. It gets SOOO twisted. It’s not #ONLYBlackLivesMatter…it’s just that we fucking matter B! When a black person can scarcely get the ID that was asked of them without being murdered, but a white woman can take the police on a car chase, and then dance her way out her vehicle without the police even discharging a taser, YES there is a problem. YES, we have inequality, and instead of trying to gloss over the issues necessitating #BlackLivesMatter, why don’t these #ALLLivesMatter people ADDRESS them. But no…it’s better when the oppressed stay that way.

    • I don’t mean to be dismissive, but this is a game for people like Hasselbeck.

      She’s paid to be a dumb blonde that’s attractive to middle age, middle class white guys who have no shot at her as well as to make older conservative women, who are far less attractive, but also more intelligent than her to feel better about themselves (Even if they’re ugly, they’re smarter…Reality TV 101 i.e. Jersey Shore). If she was smart enough, she’d play the night spot which is reserved for Megyn Kelly.

      We (Black people + black twitter) do a disservice to ourselves, by even taking what she and other say seriously. The Tea Party is still relevant, because it completely dismisses all criticisms it gets from Liberals, because they inherently know it’s irrelevant. The people who take what Hasselbeck says seriously and believe in it are usually too dumb to know they are being played, and yes, that their ignorance is being advertised back to them.

      This is what the entire spectacle of political news coverage is about in this country.

    • FILTHIER

      People know exactly what #blacklivesmatter means. They are just too cowardly to say what they want to, which is #notheydon’t

      • Mayborn7

        Oooh. My soul shook when you laid that truth out there. #FACTS

  • TeeChantel

    Unfortunately, if a black person kills a cop the #blacklivesmatters organization immediately gets lumped in. Regardless if said black person is not a part of the BLM movement. IMHO, it is critical for BLM to take a step back and establish a clear, well thought-out mission and purpose for this movement. Something like a comms plan. We get what the movement stands for but it appears everyone else does not. I get that the organization is relatively new – less than 3 (?) years old, but the movement has since gone nationwide and I feel like the message sometimes drifts in different directions, depending on the location.

    I want to see BLM do well and I hate that the message is getting lost. People are always going to troll, but having a firm message/direction/purpose could shut up some of the trolls. It seems like white folks/news media are always quick to dilute the movement’s true meaning…like BLM is allowing white media to take over and shape the org’s narrative. Just my thoughts….

    • Amber

      This helped me to understand BLM in a clearer light http://www.vox.com/2015/8/31/9211023/black-lives-matter-history

    • I will say there are firm proposals coming out. I read a list last week. They’re getting smarter.

      • TeeChantel

        I’m glad. The BLM website will launch in 14 days too. It is a good move in the right direction.

    • minxbrie

      I feel like when BLM was (unexpectedly) projected into the mainstream as more than just a hashtag (because realistically their motive is in the message and people still don’t get it), they kinda just left it because they’re not interested in creating a rigidly structured organization as much as they’re interested in remaining in the public eye for advocacy purposes. But I agree with your point; I think the website will help establish their chapters and their vision better.

    • Geoffrey

      Yeah but the BLM movement isn’t doing itself any favors by allowing splinter BLM groups to shout inflammatory chants at police officers while carrying a 20 ft long BLM banner. Where are the condemnations from BLM leadership?

    • Epsilonicus

      And even with what you ask for, that stuff will still happen because people WANT to lump BLM with these shootings. The media’s intention isn’t to understand the message. The average white person prolly could care less about a platform. It’s a bunch of Black people organizing. That’s scary. Enough said

      • TeeChantel

        This is very true. However, I believe in full preparation. For the last year or so, BLM has gone about things very haphazardly and white media has had a field day with that. Still doesn’t hurt to play “the game” a bit smarter.

        • Epsilonicus

          I thought they had a policies. Or at least it was clear to me what many of their policies were

          • Janelle Doe

            I am curious about whether or not it is possible that these “organize themselves” or “get clearer on your message” sentiments aren’t a form of respectability politics. What happens if after all that media and ‘mainstream’ still disapprove?
            As someone said down thread. The hashtag is pretty self-explanatory … Would that those with the responsibility to set policy (and law) did their work instead of Leaving it to BLM to … But perhaps I dream.

            • TeeChantel

              I get it. But my comment was not a form of respectability politics. At least I don’t see it that way. I give two fcuks about doing things the “correct” way or to appeal to the masses. Where I’m coming from is a matter of making sure BLM has a strong vision. White media and the like are trying to exploit the movement. That bothers me. Basically, I want to see the movement flourish, grow stronger and be able to withstand the “attacks” we are now witnessing. Maybe I’m too optimistic as to how far the movement can actually go. I dunno.

            • Epsilonicus

              People have a frame of what a “Successful” movement looks like. The problem is that the frame is very reductive and overly simplistic.

  • YeaSoh

    You know why I hate FOX News and don’t fuq with them AT ALL because it’s not even that they’re CLEARLY racist as heyll but that they’re reporting is ALWAYS so one-sided and skewed. They never have an equally matched set-up when it comes to racial issues where both sides can debate it out… they rather go the find that ONE black guy that has clearly been against the BLM movement since day one (no matter what his motives are) and let him answer all the questions like he’s the damn town messenger for educated black folk… Why not have someone who is a part of the BLM come and give their side of the situation as well and answering the questions you have FOR THEM instead of a damn poser? Fuqing republican propagandists

    • Geoffrey

      >>>they’re CLEARLY racist as heyll (sic) but that they’re reporting is ALWAYS so one-sided and skewed.

      You’re conflating “reporting” with “punditry”. Hasselbeck, O’Reilly, Hannity et. al are pundits — as in paid to offer their opinions in an entertaining way. MSNBC’s pundits (e.g. Maddow, Sharpton, Hayes) are equally obnoxious. The obvious difference is the latter are on the opposite end of the political spectrum. Republicans hardly have the monopoly on spewing (what you call) propaganda.

      If it’s actual “fair and balanced” reporting you’re looking for, your best bet is probably Al-Jazeera. #facts

      • YeaSoh

        Hey Geoff… you know when I was typing that comment I had a feeling that I would get a really smart response basically telling me what an idiot I am… and I get it. I didn’t really take the time to explain myself, so I’m sorry for whatever energy it took for you to formulate that response… what I was actually trying to say was that FOX has historically been a station that slants its messaging in a negative manner when it comes to black people specifically. While the FOX News peeps you mentioned may very well be paid for their opinions it doesn’t take away from the #facts that they never have someone from the other side explain their position (ie. “fair and balanced”) which to me is asinine. I mean if you’re ok with watching a show about major issues that only has people with the same damn opinion on it asking and answering the questions then you enjoy that. I honestly can’t tell if you’re defending FOX or nah and who said anything about them being obnoxious as if I care… Yes Sharpton and all dem have shows where they get paid for their opinions too but from what I’ve seen Sharpton invites the other side to the discussion (albeit usually outnumbered)… I mean really… even EYE know asking questions to people that think the same way you do doesn’t really get you answers… so why the heyll (read: h.e. double hockey sticks) are you even asking is my point. And this really isn’t about politics or monopolies is it? I mean yeah I said “fuqing republican propagandists” but my reference is solely because FOX is run by a very outspoken Republican who – which should be no “news” to anyone – has a reputation of using FOX to push his party’s agendas, like everyone knows this… So yeah…

  • Brass Tacks

    Personally, Im surprised Hasselbeck didn’t pull a hamstring or something with all that reaching she’s doing.

    I am equally surprised you left out the NRA, P. They squad up like its the Source Awards in the mid 90’s. Ask any elected official pushing for a semblance of gun control. The NRA gives no fcuks about sending an avalanche of emails and actual hand written letters (in 2015, no less?!), telling you which side of the iceberg to wreck yourself on.

    • For one, the people with the guns care WAY more about gun rights than the pro-gun control groups. I remember seeing that 10 years ago, support for gun rights made White guys 20 percent more like to vote Democratic. That’s why people shut up about it.

      Plus I do wish there was more support for local control of guns. The right laws for NYC ain’t the right laws for rural Montana and vice versa. Some deference to local conditions makes sense, particularly in states with large rural and urban areas.

      • Social Studies 101 (it’s actually useful in this instance):

        Actual cities (Boston doesn’t count lol) tend to be more “progressive”, since they are more rooted in diversity, not due to ethics, but the nature of commerce and having to trade with others. It’s thus easier to pass legislation against guns, since commerce is at the heart of urban areas, more so than anything else. Suburban areas are hit or miss, since they’re stuck in between the rural areas and the urban areas. Rural Areas are usually polar opposite and are more rooted in self-reliance, self-governance and traditionalism and are heavily resistant to change.

        It’ll be easier to pass gun legislation as America becomes more cosmopolitan, in the future. However, it’s still going to take a long time because American myth and legend is still heavily rooted in the nostalgia of Rural America. And at it’s core that’s the reason why it’s so hard to pass Gun legislation. Owning guns is a huge part of American culture, and no matter how much certain politicians try to glide through it, or make small edits here or there, it’s not politically realistic to try to pass gun legislation.

      • Sigma_Since 93

        “For one, the people with the guns care WAY more about gun rights than the pro-gun control groups.”

        Correction

        For one, WHITE people with the guns care WAY more about gun rights than the pro-gun control groups.

        If you want to see gun laws change, get a bunch of Black folk at these gun shows and pawn shops buying multiple guns and ammo.

        • DBoySlim

          This is very true. I might just organize a gun buy with all my homies. I’m curious to see the reactions.

        • You should see the hoopla going on over with the OathKeepers over arming just 50 black citizens with guns in Ferguson.

          • Sigma_Since 93

            We saw how quickly the system dismantled the Black OathKeepers aka The Black Panther Party back in the day.

    • Carlisias

      She must be a yogi because reaches on a daily basis. The woman who sat between those dingbats before Elizabeth had a degree from Standford and studied abroad at Oxford and she still had to act like a bimbo.

    • “Personally, Im surprised Hasselbeck didn’t pull a hamstring or something with all that reaching she’s doing”

      LMAOOOOOO

      Def agree on the NRA being a hate group.

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