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I Will Never Underestimate White People’s Need To Preserve Whiteness Again

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There is an understandable inclination to believe that by voting for and ultimately electing Donald Trump, White people (particularly working class White people) voted against their own self-interests. After all, this is a man who became a billionaire by swindling and defrauding and sometimes just outright not paying people exactly like them, and there’s no real evidence that a Trump presidency will be much different for them than the Trump industry has been.

This is not particularly untrue. But it misses the point. As I did.

It  — and in this context, “it” would be “the entire election season and today’s reaction” — reminds me of a story about Dorothy Dandridge. While visiting a hotel in Las Vegas in the 50s, the iconic entertainer dared dip her toe into the all-White swimming pool; an act which made the hotel management so upset — so disgusted by Dandridge’s toe contaminating the water — that they subsequently drained the entire thing.

Now, this story has never been confirmed to be true. But America’s racially antagonistic foundation, history, present, zeitgeist, and legacy makes it believable. Because there are many, many, many other stories — hundreds of thousands of them — of White people being so appalled and repelled by the presence of Blackness that they willingly and enthusiastically did something that would seem to go against their self-interests. And its with this context that the idea of a pool being drained — a painstakingly long and messy and arduous and expensive process — just because a Black person roundly considered one the world’s most beautiful women got her toenails wet becomes a plausible story.

Of course that happened. Because it happens all the time.

In this election, White people did not vote against their self-interests. They may have voted against a self-interest — a few actually — but not their most important one: The preservation of White supremacy. Retaining the value of a Whiteness they believed to be increasingly devalued superseded everything else. Including their own livelihoods; their own physical and financial well-beings; their own Christianity; their own agency; their own money; their own educations; their own futures; their own children’s futures, their own country’s legacy; their own country’s status with the rest of the world; their own environment; their own food, air, and water; their own rights; and their own lives.

And please note that I am not including any qualifiers. For working class Whites. Or Whites from rust-belt cities. Or White men. Or White people who didn’t graduate from college. Or rural Whites. Or Midwestern Whites. Or Southern whites. This is on ALL White people. Who are complicit even if they didn’t vote for Trump. Because they obviously haven’t done enough to repudiate the mindsets existing in their families and amongst their friends; possessed by their co-workers and neighbors; shared during private holiday gatherings and public city townhalls. Who have shown us that nothing existing on Earth or Heaven or Hell matters more to them than being White and whichever privileges — real or fabricated; concrete or spiritual — existing as White in America provides.

I admit, I underestimated them. Of course, I knew of the presence of White supremacy and the appeal of perpetuating it. You can not exist as a Black person in America without at least a rudimentary and peripheral understanding of it. What I didn’t realize, however, was exactly how powerful this want to retain Whiteness is. I assumed, wrongly, that enough of them would value their own lives, their own humanity, more than the need for White supremacy to be preserved. But I failed to realize how intertwined these things are for them. There apparently is no point in even existing without existing as White. Whiteness is past an identity or status. It is their oxygen, their plasma, their connective tissue.

I’m trying very hard to find silver linings today. Some source of comfort or consolation. But I can not. Maybe I will eventually. But right now, this, the idea that White people are so possessed with clutching and cultivating and elevating White supremacy that they will endanger and outright sacrifice their own fucking lives to do so, is all I can think about. And if they feel that way about their own lives, how do you think they feel about mine?

Damon Young

Damon Young is the editor-in-chief of VSB. He is also a columnist for GQ.com And he's working on a book of essays to be published by Ecco (HarperCollins). Damon is busy. He lives in Pittsburgh, and he really likes pancakes. Reach him at damon@verysmartbrothas.com. Or don't. Whatever.

  • MrsT

    My goodness, ALL OF THIS.

    And the white suburban women–the one’s who were supposed to have some sort of conscious and not vote for that vile man. Voted for him anyway, to preserve their whiteness above all else. It’s completely baffling.

    • Question

      Is it baffling? They are White Women, not Women who are White and they voted accordingly.

      • Tambra

        Ahhm… Tomi Lahren

      • Hugh Akston

        Hence y I could never understand

        Oh nvm carry on

    • Freebird

      Intersectionality be damned.

    • Furious Styles

      As the trolls are teaching us, many of them truly believe that he is not racist, so it’s okay to willfully choose ignorance, fearmongering and incompetence.

  • Cheech

    Yesterday I was praising to a coworker the insight of your reporting on this whole campaign. I regret to say it remains spot on.

    I got nothing else.

  • Question

    People have been saying that the Founding Fathers would be rolling over in their graves. I kinda wonder – would they or is this what they intended all along?!

    I just hope this doesn’t stifle us as a people. If anything we need more resolve and more self-reliance and it starts with people like Us (the VSBs and VSSs of the world). More strides. More representation. More bringing our issues to the forefront and forcing them into the conversation.

  • Freebird

    It was all good just a year ago. How do white tears taste this morning.

    • Other_guy13

      Still pretty good…more coming too

      • Freebird

        You keep tasting

        • Other_guy13

          I live off them

    • kingpinenut

      White tears make the best tasting coffee.

  • Asiyah

    Exactly. This is what it’s all about. Blame any outside party from Putin to Johnson to my mom, but they are not to blame. White people have spoken. They got what they wanted and we have no one to blame for this clusterf*ck but them.

  • NonyaB?

    You ain’t said but a word. This IS on all White people in the US, not just rural/poor ones – after all, over 52% of college-educated White women voted for Trump. And yes, my first thought was imagining the amount of swindling that will go on when you have a gifted fraudster at the helm; funnelling money and opportunities to his family and businesses, putting equally dishonest henchmen in key positions, etc. On a meta note: This is also what happens when racial income gap widens too much + too many old white people are living longer – they can comfortably push their outdated beliefs down.

    Gotta hand it to y’all: Your cut-nose-spite-face game is OFF the charts.

    • Darkchloe144

      It’s gonna be a hot minute before I can look at another white person and not feel a totally uncalled for wave of disgust and disdain.

      • Mrs_diabolique

        I physically recoiled on the train this morning when I saw two white men.

        • Dinah54

          Wow. If I said I recoiled when I saw two black men I’d be lynched.

          • Asiyah

            No you wouldn’t because lynching, unfortunately, was reserved for Black people.

            You tried.

            • Scout Wellsrain

              Another black lie.

              • Asiyah

                Funny, I heard that from your white ancestors as they recalled the lynchings fondly.

          • Mrs_diabolique

            In the history of never would that even happen. Stop it.

            • Asiyah

              Some people just want to be victimized so badly. Heck, that’s how Trump won. The good old White men are victims of liberalism shtick.

              • esa

                white folk been self-victimizers ever since the Pilgrims fled England. they claim Mayflower status proudly like they ain’t got the blood of their own (“witches”) and Natives on their hands.

          • Cleojonz

            No the black men would be. Today is not the day. Find your own space.

          • L8Comer

            Because this country has a well established history of lynching non black people. ?

        • Darkchloe144

          It’s like, I don’t mean to be like this inside. I know it’s irrational, and the Christian in me should outweigh the Black in me on any given day. But this has seriously jacked me up and sent me on a mental trajectory I can’t speak of. I can’t even trust the one or two white folks that come to my congregation every Sunday.

          • Amy Traverso

            As a white woman, I don’t blame you. I’d feel the exact same way.

            • Scout Wellsrain

              You’re not white eithet

              • Amy Traverso

                You mean Italian?

          • alexcthompson

            @darkchloe14:disqus , @disqus_wecaLO8V1V:disqus – I’m a white man, live in CA where we put down Trump with a 61 to 33 split. CA went 2.5 million net votes for Hillary. I had a long night watching PA, WI, FL, etc hoping they would go blue.

            Long story short, I go to the drugstore this morning for a coke to help me wake up. The cashier is a man of color, and I simultaneously had this powerful worry that he thought I voted Trump AND wanted to tell him I had not. And how does this affect him? Or what does this mean for my partner’s family? I just felt so ashamed and confused all at once. This was new for me.

            I’ve always been deeply unhappy with what people who look like me have done to the world but it was never my fault before. It wasn’t the fault of my cohort of white males. I never felt *personally* embarrassed as white kid in the 80s and 90s, or a young adult in 2000s. At that age I worked hard to be anti-racist, and my demographic was supposed to be one of the first to be mostly not racist and steadily more progressive (a low bar for sure.) But now I’m part of this demographic of white males that turned out for Trump, I feel ashamed. EMBARRASSED.

            So I see your reactions as natural, justifiable, valid. You don’t need my validation but I want to offer it. I’m embarrassed that it is still this way, that the US is still so bigoted.

            And I’m guessing this is a pretty mild emotion relative to those that women of color have to deal with daily, so I want to be clear I’m not setting up a comparison (or that is not my intent.) #firstworldwhitemanproblem

            • BerkeleyRunner

              Same exact situation as you, sir. White woman, in CA. Made eye contact with a young black woman in the train today and she immediately looked away and stared out the window. I felt so disgusted and ashamed. I wish I could have said anything to make it better, but I know I can’t.

              • Scout Wellsrain

                You aren’t white

            • Scout Wellsrain

              I laughed in the face of every evolutionary throwback I saw today.

            • Jen

              Same here re: feeling embarrassed and understanding Damon’s article and the supporting comments, except I’m a white woman in the heart of Trump country in Western/Central PA. I had the only Hillary sign in my entire small town until the last week of the election. My entire extended family voted Clinton so it’s a bad feeling to be lumped in with the Trumpsters, but I get it. I really do. My daughter sobbed for 20 minutes this morning when I told her the news. We’ll be standing and voting on the same side as you regardless. That’s all we can do.

          • alicia ellis

            This is me all day yesterday and today and probably forever. I mean how am I supposed to feel about people who would vote for a man that is so reprehensible on so many levels. I didn’t vote for Hillary as so much against Trump. I know all authority comes from God, and I put my trust in Him, but, damn, ya’ll, especially “Christians” who feel like he is the moral choice? What Bible you reading?

            • Mary Burrell

              One of the senior pastors of one of the largest white southern baptist congregations in my city endorsed Trump and many evangelicals endorsed Trump knowing his racism and misogyny. They to me are the hypocrites.

            • Mochasister

              I am Christian. I had reservations about Hillary, but I couldn’t vote for him. There were too many things about him that bothered me. I too believe that God is ultimately in control. Trump’s winning did not take Him by surprise. I don’t know why He allowed him into office, but I do believe that God has a purpose for him.

              • Nik White

                God is trying to get somebody’s attention.

                • Mochasister

                  He got mine.

              • Mary

                Yeah, it just isn’t black and white like some conservative Christians think. You have to weigh all the pros and cons and think about that peraon’s on the community and nation…when it’s possible.

          • Mochasister

            This is exactly how I feel. I am Christian too. I know deep down inside I shouldn’t be judging people like this. I just can’t believe how many people voted for that fool. You know something funny? My mother called it. She kept saying that they were going to put him in office. I kept telling her no. They’ll see how bad he is, but she kept saying they’re racist and that seeing that Black man in office was too much for them…

            • grownandsexy2

              I can believe how many people voted for DT. Fear of the browning of America is a powerful motivator. Fear makes people do irrational things. My girlfriend called it too. I didn’t want to even entertain the idea though I know he resonated with a lot of people. He was speaking their language. I’m with your mom. It was payback for putting a Black man in the WH.

          • Brother Mouzone

            The Christian should NEVER outweigh the Black in you. Us letting that happen is why we’ve always trusted too much and fell for centuries worth of okeydokes from them.

            • Guest

              Umm, when you are a Christian, it out weighs EVERYTHING

              • Mrs.J

                Well white Christians sure don’t feel that way.Blacks let religion run them too much.Just because you believe in God doesn’t mean that you have to be unaware of the world around you.We all know that many white Christians hate blacks.

              • Brother Mouzone

                And there in lies the problem.

          • Mrs.J

            That’s one problem that blacks have is that they put their religion and kindness before being black but whites don’t.Whites will claim to be Christian but they hate blacks so much.

        • bootlegged

          I can understand why you would feel that way. I’m white. I tried. It didn’t matter. I’ve cut family members out my life, got most family and all friends to vote the right way, volunteered for the campaign, and was on the streets protesting the result. None of it mattered. In 2016, too many of us are bigoted. I don’t know what to do or say about that. I knew that the country had problems, but I didn’t know that it was this ugly and this big. I can’t apologize for other people, but all the same, sorry. Sorry this place sucks. Sorry so many people suck.

          • Scout Wellsrain

            HAHAHAHA YOU TRIED TO CUCK AND VIRTUE SIGNAL AND GOT IGNORED HAHAHAH

          • Mochasister

            Not your fault.

        • Mochasister

          I didn’t feel toof friendly towards them today either.

      • Dinah54

        But I’m the racist?

        • Darkchloe144

          Look, get real. Stop with the silly default response and actually think about what I said within context. Read each word carefully. Veery. Caarefully. This isn’t some legitimate instance of reverse racism, so why don’t you troll somewhere else and find one. If I sound testy to you, it’s because in 2016 half the country either GLADLY voted in someone who benefits NO ONE other than middle class white people, or sat by on their moderate a$$es and let their misguided peers go through with it without so much as moment of TRYING to get through to them. Didn’t even TRY.

          Ma’am. YOU. ARE. IN. THE. WRONG. PLACE. for THIS.

          • DT

            A lot of us tried, and tried really hard. I have no friends left because of it.

            • Darkchloe144

              To that I say screw them and thank you.

              • DT

                I honestly wish I were just an ignorant, racist white person. I’d still be screwed, but at least I wouldn’t feel screwed yet and I’d have some friends.

                Then I remember you (in t he abstract) and I can’t do it.

        • PDL – Cape Girl Shero

          The joke is on you, boo. Trump is not in it for you or you white people. So don’t come here gloating. Trust me when I say you have ABSOLUTELY nothing to gloat over. Nada. Apparently you didn’t see him schmoozing up to the races this morning with his fourth face. Y’all thought we would be ordered to the cotton fields dis moaning?!? He only suckered y’all into voting him in……DASSIT

        • Christopher D Barnes

          No one called you a racist, but you’re campaigning hard for the title.

          • Asiyah

            Nobody called her but she picked up the phone anyway.

            • Mochagirl73

              “Nobody called her but she picked up the phone anyway”

              OMG! #thisrighthere

      • Quill & Bits

        God, what racist bullshit.

      • justtwo post

        That will never happen with me. I’ve been disgusted with them ever since I researched their history… especially with black people and people of color. That can’t go away.

        • Scout Wellsrain

          Yeah, blacks disgust me too

      • Scout Wellsrain

        That’s ok, that’s how we feel about you too

      • Mochasister

        I thought I was the only one. I know not ALL white people voted for him, but I couldn’t help to give them the side eye today.

    • You know some black women were mad at me when I said that white women weren’t our friends…and that we needed to stop making it about “us” inclusive of white women and more about “us” only black women… You’d have thought that they were being paid by white women the way they were caping… I don’t have nothing on it.. I’m worrying about us… Fukk Becky.

      • “You know some black women were mad at me when I said that white women weren’t our friends…and that we needed to stop making it about “us” inclusive of white women and more about “us” only black women.”

        If a black woman think that ww will give up their race privileges on some “we are all women” stuff then 1) that’s just foolish 2)they need to go back and study some more history.

        • Janelle Doe

          you ain’t never lied.
          Eye. Opener. (for any who were in denial or new people)

        • A whole lot more!

        • grownandsexy2

          They are lost but will get their wake up call soon enough.

      • NonyaB?

        Reminded me of when I saw one arguing otherwise on Luvvie’s FB post yesterday about why Susan B Anthony ultimately wasn’t shyt. SMH

        • PRECISELY..LIKE those aren’t your ppl.

        • justtwo post

          ah Susan B was a bitch. Gandhi too.

      • Annalise Keating

        PREACH SIS!!!!! Preach. I never felt like HRC cracking the glass ceiling would make any kind of way for us black women. 53% of white women voting for Trump speaks volumes to their priorities.
        The funniest part is that the whole time they stayed acting like they wouldn’t vote for him. All the polls said he didn’t have the support of white women. It just goes to show you that many of these women are shady as f*ck!

        • Sweet Ga Brown

          Reminds me of my good white friend that kept telling me and even saying last night how she just couldn’t bring herself to vote for trump. She just couldn’t trust him with the nuclear codes. Here I am like bih who are you trying to convince? So trump was a true option for her and I never heard her mention anything about his sexist ways. Just the nuclear codes. Smh. Maybe that’s just what she was telling me. Idk

          • La Bandita

            My White coworker called me into her office and said she WAS voting for Trump, but that she wasn’t racist and she really considered me her friend. She texts me all the time, but I don’t answer much.

            • Darkchloe144

              That’s…well that’s interesting >_>

            • justtwo post

              That’s how they are. They’re liars. If they’re not liars then they’re delusional. That’s why I say they’re all racist.

              • Scout Wellsrain

                Racist blacks would know

                • justtwo post

                  no such thing as a “racist black.” blocked

            • Mochasister

              I’m sorry, but I am side eyeing anyone who actually voted for that fool. I never understood how politics could be so serious an issue that friendships and relationships could end. Until this election. It would be better for me not to know for whom coworkers, especially white ones, voted.

          • cvxxx

            His sexist ways have nothing to do with what’s important. God forbid he be White and heterosexual! That is such a sin.

          • Christopher Marsh

            Trump is as bad as Barry Goldwater but that time LBJ won.

        • MsJoyce

          That’s why Trump and his son looked over their women shoulders, at the poll.

        • Erica S.

          Can we prep Michelle O. for 2020? ijs

          • justtwo post

            She would be so good!

            • Brother Mouzone

              She would, but unfortunately Hillary f*cked it up for the first lady-turned president narrative.

        • Yep…. all in our spaces Kumbayahing and shyt.. the devil is a lie.

          • Mochasister

            What I don’t get is why? Why grin and smile up in someone’s face like that pretending like you’re not going to vote for him?

            • Annalise Keating

              Because then they will have to admit why they are voting for him in the first place.
              Trump represents a lot of the ideals these folks dear to their heart. Ideals they don’t have the courage to admit in public for obvious reasons.
              This election highlighted something I have noticed about many white folks I have interacted with in my lifetime: they say one thing in public and then do something completely different in private.
              Black women are the opposite: >90% black women supported Clinton in public and in the privacy of the voting booth >90% of black women did the same.

            • grownandsexy2

              Cause they don’t want you to think they’re racist.

              • Mochasister

                I get what you’re saying. I’m just tired of the fakeness. Many of them ARE racist. Own that ish for God’s sake! I am so tired of them thinking that because they have Black “friends” or a Black so or have biracial children that makes them not racist. As far as I am concerned, all of these white people who voted for Trump just spit in the faces of many people in this country. They may not have said it with words but their votes spoke volumes about what they really think and feel.

            • Wpwp

        • Quill & Bits

          I am really surprised that as many white women voted for Trump as they did, but what about this?
          29% of “Hispanic/Latino” voters voted for Trump
          29% of “Asian” voters voted for Trump
          37% of “other” voters voted for Trump
          I mean….only 5% of “Black” voters voted for him.

          • Annalise Keating

            I was surprised by the Hispanic/Latino stats too. But I was schooled by a friend this am that there are “white and non white latinos/hispanics”. Regardless of what we believe, “white latinos” see themselves as white so it’s no surprise they would vote for trump.
            As for the Asians, no surprise there either. They have swallowed the “model minority” line so I am not surprised they would vote along those lines.

            • NonyaB?

              As I replied to him when spouted the crock of sh*t stats on my comment:
              US population is ~73% White, 13% Black, 5% Asian, 3% Other and 0.9% Native. Therefore, 53% of white women + over 60% white men voting Trump = more than the sum of Trump voters from all other racial groups combined. Which renders his point nothing more than bullsh*t.

              • Annalise Keating

                True. I didn’t think he meant that these “minorities” assured a trump victory. I interpreted his comment as just surprise that these minorities even voted for him in those numbers given the rhetoric that defined his campaign.
                But I could have misinterpreted…

              • Quill & Bits

                The thing you are not taking into account is that only 25.5% of eligible voters voted for Trump – 47% of eligible voters didn’t vote at all.

                If you take into account the whole population* including those who are not eligible to vote – Trump was elected by around 18.8% of the people in the US.

                Trump received around 59,800,000 votes, out of 324,831,561 American people, so about 19%.

                Trump was elected by 19% of the people in our country.

                Stop vilifying everyone else….

                *As of today the US Census estimates that there were 324,831,561 human beings (“resident population”) living in the US on 11/1/16. To be more precise, they estimate 316,961,867 Household Residents (people not in jails, overseas military bases, etc…)

                http://www.census.gov/popest/data/national/totals/2015/index.html

                https://www.google.com/search?q=How+many+votes+did+Trump+get%3F&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#eob=enn/p//0/1///////////

            • Asiyah

              Plus Indians are also considered Asian and there were a lot of Hindus voting for Trump. They even hosted a fundraiser for him.

              • Brother Mouzone

                Indians are dam near as racist as wypipo when it comes to us.

                • Annalise Keating

                  I wish this weren’t true but sadly it has been my experience with them….

            • Quill & Bits

              I hear you – but I’m surprised ANYONE would vote for Trump – even white men – so I’m really shocked that any women did, and anyone who isn’t a white supremacist.

          • justtwo post

            YES. For all the multiculturalists out there – someone explain this.

          • La Bandita

            White Hispanis proving their Whitness. 80% of Asian woman with White men – higher then any other group.

          • Mrs.J

            All of those groups that voted for Trump hate Latinos and think they are taking all of the jobs.Many voted just to get back at Obama because they felt like he uplifted gays and illegals over all of them.Many black men voted for Trump.I met some of them and they told me why they voted for him.They all said illegals are ruining everything.

            • Quill & Bits

              I heard an interview with Ashley Bell, Senior Strategist and National Director of African American Engagement for the RNC, on Sirius XM (POTUS Channel) yesterday.

              Mr. Bell said about 12% of black men voted for Trump.

              I find that hard to believe.

              • Mrs.J

                I heard it was 13%.I don’t find it hard to believe at all.I talked to a black man who said he was voting for Trump because he will give back jobs to Americans and away from illegals.He also said that the illegals are ruining everything and taking over his son’s school.He said Trump will kick the illegals out.I was like Latinos have been here and they aren’t going anywhere.Many of them are US citizens.Welp! It didn’t shock me that many black men voted for Trump even though he doesn’t like blacks.

      • fkk you

        You know some black women were mad at me when I said that white women weren’t our friends.

        nobody is your friend friend freak, except your parole officer.

        • Asiyah

          nobody is your lover freak, except for your first cousins

      • Betty’s Babygirl

        I’ve been saying it from the beginning – become immune to wypipo’s shenanigans.In general they are incapable of caring about you because maintaining wypipo supremacy is paramount. Perhaps this is a blessing in disguise. It may motivate Resilients and POC to mobilize now that we have a common adversary.

        • Mary Burrell

          Maybe it will get us out of complacency and being apathetic about our plight and motivate us to work together instead of against each other. Maybe we will become more unified.

          • truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

            That’s a great point Sister. Unity brings strength in our community.

            • Mary Burrell

              Hey, Truth how are you feeling what are your thoughts?

              • truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

                Hello Sister. I’m doing great today. My thoughts are that the election results show the perniciousness of far right extremism. A lot of people believe that America is progressive. This election proves that America is very conservative on many issues and that we have a long way to go . Therefore, we should unite more as black people and fight for change. This election result should never deter us. We are disappointed at Trump being elected, but we won’t falter. We have a long legacy of fighting for real change.

        • Quill & Bits

          “It may motivate Resilients and POC to mobilize now that we have a common adversary.”

          Good luck you have a lot of work ahead:

          29% of “Hispanic/Latino” voters voted for Trump
          29% of “Asian” voters voted for Trump
          37% of “other” voters voted for Trump

          • Betty’s Babygirl

            Cool. By your own numbers the odds are in Resilients and POC”s favor. Thanks for the pep talk!

          • La Bandita

            White Hispanics, 80% of Asian women sleeping w/White men, other is mixed race.

          • Mrs.J

            Many Latinos are white.Many Asians are either half white or have a white spouse.Many black men votes for Trump because they think he will bring jobs back to America.So basically all whites voted for Trump mixed with a couple of black men.

        • Scout Wellsrain

          Nope. You just disgust us. Nothing about supremacy. You just can’t do civilization. Feel sorry for ya, actually

        • Brother Mouzone

          You would think..but many of us will still turn a blind eye to their shenanigans.

          • Quill & Bits

            Well, I didn’t learn this in school but I educated myself afterwards and taught my children that the racism we know in American today was invented as a way for plantation owners to keep indentured white servants, local native amerians, and black slaves from joining forces and overthrowing the slave-owners. The white plantation owners were way-way outnumbered. Then, when things got e
            ven scarier for them they decided to change the definition of “white” to let Italians, Irish, Jewish and some other people “join the club” to help keep everyone else under control. They also created the “middle class” myth to keep poorer freemen from joining with the slaves, the indians and the servants. Pitting each class against the others helps keep the institutional racism less visible….

            My first eye-opening source of material was Howard Zinn,

            “Racism was becoming more and more
            practical. Edmund Morgan, on the basis of his careful study of slavery
            in Virginia, sees racism not as “natural” to black-white difference, but
            something coming out of class scorn, a realistic device for control.
            “If freemen with disappointed hopes should make common cause with slaves
            of desperate hope, the results might be worse than anything Bacon had
            done. The answer to the problem, obvious if unspoken and only gradually
            recognized, was racism, to separate dangerous free whites from dangerous
            black slaves by a screen of racial contempt.”

            “There
            was still another control which became handy as the colonies grew, and
            which had crucial consequences for the continued rule of the elite
            throughout American history. Along with the very rich and the very poor,
            there developed a white middle class of small planters, independent
            farmers, city artisans, who, given small rewards for joining forces with
            merchants and planters, would be a solid buffer against black slaves,
            frontier Indians, and very poor whites.” <<<<< Page 56, A
            People's History of the United States.

            But this paragraph rings so true today it makes me furious:

            "How skillful to tax the middle class to pay for
            the relief of the poor, building resentment on top of humiliation! How
            adroit to bus poor black youngsters into poor white neighborhoods, in a
            violent exchange of impoverished schools, while the schools of the rich
            remain untouched and the wealth of the nation, doled out carefully where
            children need free milk, is drained for billion-dollar aircraft
            carriers. How ingenious to meet the demands of blacks and women for
            equality by giving them small special benefits, and setting them in
            competition with everyone else for jobs made scarce by an irrational,
            wasteful system. How wise to turn the fear and anger of the majority
            toward a class of criminals bred-by economic inequity-faster than they
            can be put away, deflecting attention from the huge thefts of national
            resources carried out within the law by men in executive offices." –
            Page 634, A People's History of the United States.

            I would love for someone on this board to point me to some other sources of info on this, I am thirsty/hungry for more. Zinn is white, so I'd like some good sources that aren't white.

      • Minx

        WW’s fave sport is dodging racism unless they think they can use it to their advantage.

      • Gruff McGruff

        To quote an earlier VSB piece, beware of “darth Susan.”

      • Mochasister

        God forgive me but I don’t really consider white women to be my “sisters.” I have never been passionate about feminism like so many of them are. In my opinion white women and white men are part of the same racist ilk. Why so many Black men give white women a pass I’ll never know.

        • La Bandita

          Pawns. White women use Black men and White men use Asian women to fight each other.

        • You didn’t tell NOT ONE LIE!!

    • Quill & Bits

      Yep…hating on all white people has really gotten you far, eh?

      1.) 29% of “Hispanic/Latino” voters voted for Trump
      2.) 29% of “Asian” voters voted for Trump
      3.) 37% of “other” voters voted for Trump

      But you’re going to blame all white people, even the ones who didn’t vote for Trump?

      • NonyaB?

        B*TCH PLEASE. US population is ~73% White, 13% Black, 5% Asian, 3% Other 0.9% Native:
        53% of white women + over 60% white men voting Trump = more than Trump voters from all other racial groups combined. And yes, some of that onus falls on white non-Trump voters like you because you didn’t do a good job convincing your fellow people to let racism, xenophobia, bigotry, etc. go (we all know they don’t listen to black people).

        So catch this block, get THE ENTIRE FXCK UP OUTTA HERE and take your misinformed wailings somewhere else.

        • Quill & Bits

          I’m terrible at math but at least I understand data.

          It’s about the # of eligible voters and who voted and who did not.

          25.5% of so, of eligible voters voted for Trump, which means about 20% of the whole US population (including people that aren’t eligible to vote) elected that man.

          So do some math – if only 25% of eligible voters voted for him – and 47% of eligible voters didn’t vote at all – it’s plain that he could have easily been defeated if more people had voted. More people of color, more women.

          But that doesn’t matter. The people who are to blame for Donald Trump becoming president are the people that voted for him. You want to blame many, many more people than that – good luck. I reject your attempt blame me. You have no idea what kind of “job” I did convincing fellow people of anything. For all you know I changed several peoples’ minds, or didn’t do anything at all. You don’t know me – but you want to make up stories in your mind about me because of what race you think I am and that my friend is the most basic example of racism that there can be.

      • Asiyah

        The majority of people who voted for Trump were white…DUH.

        • Quill & Bits

          That is true. The people that voted for Trump are to blame for Trump being elected, not other people that didn’t vote for Trump. Of course, you can hate on anyone you want.

    • Christopher Marsh

      I voted straight Democrat not Trump

      • NonyaB?

        Good for you but not good enough because y’all did not convince your fellow peeps (we all know they wouldn’t have been persuaded by Black people) to do likewise.

  • I am in shock.

  • Please, please, please don’t feed any trolls today.

    • Other_guy13

      Too late

    • Tambra

      Yeah but we have our own who are regulars or semi regulars.

      • NonyaB?

        Anyone (regular/not) commenting to troll others for rightfully opposing a racist, lying, bigoted cheeto candidate deserves a spot on the block list.

    • I’m blocking them as they arise.

  • PDL – Cape Girl Shero

    This post in its entirety. I think white folks will end up getting the short end of the stick. Trump has always been and will always be for himself. Sometimes you have to allow folks to see for themselves. He’s flipping already…..just this morning he was saying we have to come together. The premise of his win was being devisive and causing discord. He’s fickle and will change on a whim. Saw how he blasted Comey when it wasn’t in his favor, then praised him and went back to blasting him? He’s a my way or no way…..only about himself

    • Nikki Jeremy

      He was trying to calm the markets today which is why his speech was so agreeable. He is a politician for hire and he did what he was told. He wont be able to keep that up for very long.

      • PDL – Cape Girl Shero

        I know it was the “right thing to say.” My point was he’s fickle and saying the right thing has not been his steez this entire election. So nooow you wanna say the right thing? Naw keep being crass and disrespectful. That’s what we’ve come to expect. We know how to deal with that. So now he’s flipping. He will flip flop for the next 4 years. I think the joke is on the white folks over and above blacks.

        • Kylroy

          “He will flip flop for the next 4 years.”

          This. The man has been known to radically change his opinion based on whoever spoke to him last. It’s gonna be chaos.

          • PDL – Cape Girl Shero

            Yes it is

        • mssporadic

          I’m not sure the actual job of being president will allow him to be that fickle. You can’t sign something into law and then the next month unenforce it. It doesn’t work like that. Plus it isn’t going to play well when he has to meet and negotiated with other leaders. The reality of what he has done is going to hit him hard after 1/22/2017.

          • PDL – Cape Girl Shero

            I’m talking about his character. No job or title will change that. Plus, he’s got a VP for doing his job. See how nothing stopped his behavior to this point? Getting into the role won’t make much difference. His VP will run things like Cheney did. Haven’t you witnessed that he’s incapable of going along with anything that benefit others? He’s not going to negotiate….don’t know how

        • Nikki Jeremy

          Agreed, but he is not a sincere person. He is about that money for his family business. If the markets tank he suffers. And, his foreign buddies like Putin suffer. He had to play his role and not let the markets continue to freefall in Asia.

  • I can’t wait to hear Clinton’s speech. I she gonna urge me to support Trump??? I can’t wait to hear this.

    • Other_guy13

      I just need her to urge me to get out of bed every day…baby steps

    • TeeChantel

      If so, what a slap in the face for the folks that voted for her.

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