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I Really Wish Hillary Clinton Would Stop Trying To Be Down. It’s Embarrassing.

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Even though it’s political season and there are lots of commercials that indicate that every vote counts—vote or die and shit, Wu Tang is here forever and all—forcing politicians to do everything to court the votes of communities not like theirs, I kind of wish Hillary Clinton would stop trying to win the Black vote now. Or, at least, cut the shit.

What’s the shit?

The shit is her doing things like going on The Breakfast Club morning show—a hip-hop-centric radio show broadcasting from 105.1 on your FM dial if you live in New York City—and telling motherfuckers that she hot sauce is the one thing she carries with her everywhere. The Breakfast Club is a hip-hop linchpin with a huge audience, especially in New York City, that is specifically known for the interviews it conducts with artists, activists and politicians alike, which is probably why Clinton’s camp made her interview possible. Bernie Sanders made an appearance there in February.

To end the wow-that’s-a-softball-question interview, this exchange took place:

Angela Yee: What’s one thing that you always carry with you?

Hillary Clinton: [Without missing a beat.] Hot sauce.

Charlamagne tha God: You know folks are going to see that as pandering to Black folks.

H.C.: Is it working?

Look, maybe it’s true. Maybe she needs her Texas Pete. I feel her. But I don’t for one minute think that answer would be the same on Des Moines, Iowa’s biggest radio station. I just don’t.

While the Black community is not a monolith (we know, we know), and shouts to that BuzzFeed video, the truth is, almost all of us have at least one auntie who at all times keeps hot sauce in her bag. For her, it’s practical: Most restaurants carry hot sauce, but they don’t carry her hot sauce.

Some of you have hot sauce in your bags right now, or the drawers in your cubicle or in that closet in your office, especially if you’re in the South. It’s just a thing. It’s not a big deal, and rarely does it surprise me when I see one of our cousins pull out some hot sauce or Tupperware from their purse at the restaurant or at the next-door neighbor’s dinner table.

And to be fair, I absolutely know that white people do this, too, especially down South. I’d imagine it would be similar to any old guard of an ethnic group carrying certain seasonings with them to give them the flavor they like. It all sounds pretty reasonable and normal to me.

Somehow, though, it’s become a stereotypically Black thing. And something of which I’m sure Clinton is aware. She answered that question almost as if her team provided it to Angela Yee, who lobbed it to her specifically so that she could say “hot sauce.” This would mean that she was doing the “keeping it real” pandering that is so annoying coming from politicians, but especially coming from her.

If Michelle Obama informed the masses that she carries hot sauce with her at all times, it would be one of those nods to “keeping it real” and not forgetting where she comes from. It’s not mandatory, but when you find that somebody in a position of such prominence does something that we often align with the behavior of “regular Black folks,” it’s comforting.

When Hillary Clinton does it – and she’s shown she’s about that life – it’s annoying and trying too hard, pure and simple. Look, I don’t care if she spent a considerable amount of time in Arkansas because of President Bill Clinton (a man who should be losing any of that saxophone-playing Black credit he got many moons ago) and loves hot sauce and puts it on her doughnuts and yams. I find it hard to believe that the automatic answer to the question, coming from Dave Smith in Billings, Mont., or Deonte Freeman in Harlem, is always hot sauce. Shit, that response could ONLY have been more Black had she said, “hot sauce for my chitlins’ and a deck of cards in case somebody on my staff wants to play Spades between debates, or tonk! OMG I love tonk!”

Again, maybe it is true for her life, but that nugget seemed out of place and a little bit too intentional. I suppose she couldn’t say her iPhone or Blackberry so she could keep up with her emails, since, ya know, emails … but to go directly to hot sauce? I’m calling shenanigans.

Recently, she was playing dominoes up in a senior center in Harlem, too. Here’s the thing: I know that she has a team, inclusive of Black people, who created opportunities to “reach the Black and Latino community” in New York City. But she’s really pushing it right now. Dominoes and hot sauce? If she were to go to Hot 97 and start talking about growing up in a Kool-Aid family or always wanting to wear braids, I wouldn’t even be surprised at this point.

I just wish she’d stop. We get it. I know that she has that whole superpredator thing to get over and she is trash at dealing with Black Lives Matter activists and nonactivists, and pretty much any Black person with an opinion counter to hers, and Bernie is really popular among younger Black folks, but good gotdamn. She’s running for president and is a white woman. If she doesn’t play dominoes or carry hot sauce in her purse, is she going to lose the Black vote? Of course not.

Playing up momentary bouts of cultural connection for the sake of getting the Black vote, while common, is pretty annoying. Just run your damn race. If she likes to eat lots of mayonnaise and nonseasoned chicken, that’s OK. We’re not going to judge her based on what we expect. Nobody is expecting Hillary Clinton to show up at a cookout with the best ribs known to man or, God forbid, potato salad. Shit, I don’t think she cooks. If she showed up with some juice and some cookies bought from the grocery store, it’s a win.

Part of the reason people connect with Bernie Sanders is that he seems pretty genuine. None of us expects him to win, but at least we think that we know what we’re getting. Clilnton is out here trying to show how down she is, and that doesn’t do anything to change the struggles of the community.

So, just run your race, Hillary. I don’t particularly care for you (it’s not personal; I don’t care for any of you hopefuls), but I’d really not mind if you didn’t say another thing that sounded like pandering to the Black community. Like, it’s totally OK. Pinkie swear.

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  • ChokeOnThisTea

    Right. This ain’t 1992 and that ish doesn’t work anymore. *sideeyes Bill on The Arsenio Hall Show*

  • ChokeOnThisTea

    But a lot of nonblack folk (not just politicians) who want to be “down” do this type of thing–intentionally align themselves with things that are stereotypically Black. It’s so performative and offensive.

    • It’s VERY offensive. It makes ME feel like people on the outside looking in see us all on one dimensional caricatures. We are diverse and multi-faceted, and interesting. No…Bey carries hot sauce everywhere she goes, thus we all hivemind with her and carry hot sauce…I don’t even like to SMELL hot sauce. I’m a BBQ Sauce lady…AND ANOTHER THING, I could not care LESS what my politicians like to season their food with…as long as it’s not the blood of our fellow man idc. What are your POLICIES ma’am?

      • LMNOP

        Haha, I wouldn’t even be surprised if some politicians season their food with human blood. Like “I developed a taste for it during the satanic rituals where I sold my soul for a chance to become president.”

        • Kas

          All politicians, fixed it for you

      • LegallyClueless

        But she talks about her policies WAY more than she does these silly things. But no one is watching Ellen or listening to the Breakfast Club for these things, they want to “get to know the candidate.” When you go on Ellen’s show, you dance…all her guests do it. When you go on the Breakfast Club you get silly questions like what’s in your bag.

        • Even still…say something that doesn’t seem so false. EVEN if this is a more fluff interview, there is a way to be relatable AND genuine. She just gets out here and does these things and it reads VERY fake.

          • LegallyClueless

            But she’s been saying this same thing for years (about liking hot sauce).

            • Liking it…carrying it around with her everywhere two different statements and one seems suspiciously timed.

          • overandout

            It sounds like you just dislike her and it doesn’t really have anything to do with what she does or says.

            • Is that how it sounds? Oh…ok.

              • Kas

                Just a little bit. :)

            • Brother Mouzone

              I think she just dislikes the fakery and obvious pandering…just a guess.

          • Question

            Is that because of anything she’s said or done or because of WHO she is? People’s biggest problem with HRC seems to be who she is – and when you think about that, it kinda sucks. Don’t get me wrong, some of her policies are wayward and have done Black folks all kinds of harm.

          • Brother Mouzone

            Exactly..when Honolulu Slim danced on Ellen, he wasn’t being fake, he DOES that sh*t when he’s away from cameras, you know he does. He also sings AL Green songs and plays basketball. He would still do those same things if he was a lawyer.

            • LMAO @ Honolulu Slim tho! But you’re right. It feels much more natural, not like some stiff put on.

            • Mary Burrell

              Honolulu Slim I just figured out you were referring to Obama

        • Dekedog

          Not to ask this sarcastically, but when Sanders was on BC, did he talk about hot sauce or do anything that was along the lines of pandering?

          As far as the dancing, yes everyone does dance on that show. I think that was where Sanders did hotline bling (which for some reason came off as less of a reach than Hillary’s stuff).

          • Question

            But thats just it – why is a politician having to stop at the BC in the first place? Like why is that considered a requisite stop for someone vying to be POTUS?

            • Epsilonicus

              Because he knows younger Black folks listen to BC. So he went and actually talked policy. And the hosts kept it on policy with him.

              • Occhams_Aftershave

                Not a Hillary fan but isn’t that a bit sexist? Have Bernie on and ask all policy questions but ask Hillary what she carries in her bag? What does what she has in her bag have to do with how she would govern? It was a non sequitur. It’s like asking Bernie boxers or briefs.

                • Epsilonicus

                  I agree. But thats on the host, not Bernie. But they also talked policy with HRC. I think its sexism but folks also know Bernie just wont engage. I have seen other interviews try it and he just shrugs it off.

                  • Occhams_Aftershave

                    Thats what I mean, BC host was being sexist. I haven’t watched the whole interview but that question just rubbed me the wrong way. Even if every other question was about policy and governance just asking that question of the only female candidate was a bad look….

                    • Epsilonicus

                      If you saw the interview, that question looked fed to the interviewers. Campaign people prolly gave them a suggested list of questions.

                    • Occhams_Aftershave

                      If that’s the case then it definitely sounds like pandering to the shows demographic….or Hillary is an unofficial member of the beyhive.

                    • Epsilonicus

                      Hoving hosted forums for local candidates, their campaigns definitely send you topics and questions they want discussed/asked. I am sure it happens on the national level too

                    • Epsilonicus

                      I guess it is sexism if the question wasn’t fed to the interviewers

              • Question

                The demographics. Makes sense.

                • Epsilonicus

                  He tryna pull an Obama in terms of voter numbers. Idk if it will happen

            • Dekedog

              Remember to look at it from their perspective of this being an opportunity and not a requirement. To candidates, speaking on BC is a chance to reach a larger audience and thereby increase their market for pulling in votes and increase their popularity; simultaneously BC sees it as an opportunity to have a big name interview and get in the news to improve their popularity as well, making it a win-win on both sides as far as outreach.

              In short, candidates will go wherever the popularity is if it means that they will look good to more people, and the people who own those spaces will be more than happy to have them for better or worse.

      • fxd8424

        The sad thing is they do look at us as one dimensional and are surprised when we don’t fit the script.

        • Mary Burrell

          I thought they understood we are not a monolith (turns off sarcasm button)

      • Wild Cougar

        THANK YOU! Its fucking offensive! I cannot stand that woman. Everytime she panders on some cultural ish she’s insulting our intelligence. Like, we don’t vote on the issues, we are swayed by if she can play dominoes. Fuck out of here with that bullish

        • Brother Mouzone

          Hey, she likes hotsauce and claps on beat to gospel songs at the Greater bethel Baptist AME MT Zion New Tabernacle church of God in Christ…SHE’S GOT MY VOTE! She soooo real.

      • Brother Mouzone

        Unfortunately, a lot of non-Blacks DO see us as one dimensional caricatures.

    • panamajackson

      I hate when anybody does it. Just so that’s clear.

      • miss t-lee

        Also.

      • ChokeOnThisTea

        Same. And I gotcha. I’m just broadening the scope beyond Hillary because it applies to a lot of folk. *sideeyes the Kardashians and the chicks like them*

    • Also it just makes me feel THEY think “black people don’t care about issues…they just wanna play” (which…a lot of black ppl DO wanna play) But there are also a bunch of us that can play AND conduct business. It doesn’t have to be either or.

      • Question

        We can’t have it both ways. I don’t hear Steve Harvey on the radio talking about issues that are coming up in Congress that Black folks need to be paying attention to. Tavis does, and well, Tavis is on PBS so there’s that.

        • I’ve got some words about Steve Harvey that would definitely not pass the filter. For the Portuguese in the house…mete o dedo no cú e roda…loosely translated to sit and spin.

          • Shazza

            The first time Bama Steve started talking politics (a few weeks ago) he said it was ALL about Hillary and that Bernie needed to go sit down. When Bernie won like the last 8 out of 9 (?) primaries, his new tactic is to talk about how OLD Bernie is and how he wouldn’t live past the term. I’m not even a Bernie fan but that pissed me off.

      • fxd8424

        They DO feel we don’t care about the issues or even know what the issues are. When President Obama was running, for example. If we dared cast a vote for him, it was oh, you voted for him because he’s black. Not every black person I know voted for Obama.

    • Buster Cannon

      I’ve had people do this to me; I’ll notice that they start using more slang when I’m near in order to appear relatable or ‘hip’ to me. Odd thing is, I talk more like Carlton than Will so I don’t get why they think it’s going to work. The whole thing just screams “try-hard” and turns me off completely.

      • Jo ‘Mama’ Besser

        The Tarantino Effect.

      • fxd8424

        Gawd, I hate when that happens. More slang and referring to me as “sister gurl” or some other nonsense. I ain’t you “sister” or your “gurl.”

        • Mary Burrell

          Or “girlfriend ” they really do see us as one dimensional

      • Mary Burrell

        That’s offensive for example a new co worker in the work place I asked him what his name was and he replied “What you want it to be baby Idris” I just back away and walked off. I thought some whites are crazy. He was assuming a lot about me as a black woman.

    • Idiot wiypipo wearing braids and cornrows get photo spreads in magazines, but have a Black person do it and it’s messy and unprofessional. I’m looking at you US Armed Forces.

  • She’s been annoying me for a while now with her antics. I don’t know who keeps greenlighting this bull, but I think she has a saboteur on her team. No way ANY body in her corner for REAL heard these ideas and was like “oh yes! that’s a splendid plan!”

    • LMNOP

      Maybe it’s her husband, who seems pretty determined to make sure there’s only one president Clinton.

      • panamajackson

        BAZINGA!

      • DBoySlim

        I was thinking the same thing. I feel like they don’t really like each other. Bill won’t let her be great.

        • LMNOP

          I think they’ve never liked each other, they just both like power.

          • DBoySlim

            Frank and Claire.

            • Nik White

              Indeed!

      • LOL maybe he is the saboteur in her crew. Someone needs to put a stop to this.

      • ChokeOnThisTea

        I’ve been trying to tell y’all! Bill ain’t about that House Husband life. Lol

  • Asiyah

    And I wish my people would stop being such lambones. All happy that she’s “playing” dominoes with them. Like ok be hospitable but that guy is all smiling like OMG SHE’S HERE.

    PUKE!

    • LOL @ “OMG SHE’S HERE” that’s exactly how he looks. SMH this is all #TewMuch

    • ChokeOnThisTea

      I’m more forgiving of this sort of behavior when it’s from older generations of black folk. Some of them grew up in a ‘respectability’ type era of Blackness. What I can not do, however, is accept it from younger black folk. We should know better.

    • We always give wypipo credit for being down

      • Question

        This. Black cards are no longer being printed and the ones currently in circulation no longer work so folks can stop trying to get them.

        • Brother Mouzone

          They have gone the way of the daily newspaper.

    • Kas

      You can hate on Hillary, but being part of the scene at one of her events would be a big deal to me.

  • miss t-lee

    It’s all so cringeworthy at this point. Every day there’s a new incident of her being “down”.

  • Nik White

    I was mad when she showed up at Black Girls Rock so the Breakfast Club doesn’t surprise me.

    • ChokeOnThisTea

      But did you see that picture of the audiences’ reaction?!!! The shade was so thick I almost felt sorry for Hillary. Lol :/

      • Nik White

        Almost but nah…if she had spoken from the heart and not cue cards, maybe…but nah.

    • wakakaja

      I love how she showed up and said, ‘All girls rock!’

      • LMNOP

        Did she really? Wow.

      • Nik White

        Wrong show and wrong station for that sentiment!

      • Cheech

        She didn’t. Did she?

  • Nik White

    And is Soul Train was on, she’d be trying to take the hippest trip in America!

    • ChokeOnThisTea

      Lmao!!

    • Brother Mouzone

      Can you imagine Obama being interviewed by Don Corneilus and then joining in on the Soul Train line as President? I wish I could wave a magic wand, turn back time and make that happen.

  • Courtney Wheeler

    Hillary appearances as of late do seem force…but what do I know…I don’t know how to play dominoes.. :(

    ps…that gif of Bernie Sanders giving a proper dap felt right..
    http://blavity.blavity.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/berniedap.gif?75db6c

  • KB

    I’m just tired of this entire election cycle. I need it to be over like yesterday.

  • Brandon Allen

    Yo I watched that entire interview twice and it wasn’t even that bad.
    She was even self aware about the whole situation.
    Can we just dislike Hillary instead of being mad at her for trying?

    • panamajackson

      I watched it a few times too. And no. Her self-awareness about THAT makes it worse to me.

      • Brandon Allen

        I don’t know she literally acknowledged it’s “a damned if you do damned if you don’t” Which is true. NOBODY likes her and she could easily tell us to kick rocks. But she’s still trying.

        • DBoySlim

          The question is why was she there. The Breakfast Club isn’t the best platform to reach voters.

          • -h.h.h.-

            why isn’t it the best platform? doesn’t that demographic (who listen to the Breakfast Club) vote as well?

            • DBoySlim

              Yes they do. However, it’s like going on the Howard Stern show or Jerry Springer. Their audience votes also but that wouldn’t be the best platform. I don’t need my politicians to be everymen. Just get the job done.

              • Brandon Allen

                It’s not like that at all.

              • -h.h.h.-

                i guess…

                both Clinton and Sanders are trying to connect with the 18-40 range, whether it be speaking at a black conference (nul) or meeting with nan/nul/naacp young professional leadership, or hopping on a hip-hop radio station, they’re just trying to get out last second voters.

            • Question

              Could the Steve Harvey show have been a better platform?

              • Kas

                Please tell me that was sarcasm.

                • Question

                  Nah, it wasn’t, but admittedly I wasn’t thinking about the demographics – I had stopped at Black. But I get it, cuz going on Harvey would’ve been a waste of time cuz its largely a demographic that rides for her already.

                  • Kas

                    I just don’t have a lot of respect for Steve Harvey. I’m biased.

                    • Question

                      Neither do I. But he is a nationally syndicated radio show host with a largely Black following.

              • -h.h.h.-

                i think if you’re trying to get last second black voters, getting on black radio shows on the day of is a good look. i’m going to presume that Steve Harvey skews a little bit older than Breakfast club, but if they haven’t come out in full support of a candidate (i’m not sure who Harvey is rolling with) then why not?

                • Epsilonicus

                  Harvey likes HRC.

                  BC is great if you want young black voters, who tend to skew Bernie. the problem is that they dont vote in large enough numbers

                • Question

                  True. Going on Harvey would’ve been like preaching to the choir…its largely a constituency that already rides for her…

              • Cheech

                Ouch.

          • Brandon Allen

            It’s a nationally syndicated radio program. Yes it is.

          • LegallyClueless

            Bernie Sanders went on the Breakfast Club and Ebro in the Morning

            • Epsilonicus

              He had good interviews at both. HRC did fine except for the hot sauce comment.

            • DBoySlim

              I wasn’t aware. I still feel the same. I think the show is crass. I could’ve head her interview but I can’t listen to it at work because its too much craziness going in the morning.

        • fxd8424

          I don’t dislike her. I just wish she would be herself (whoever that is).

          • Kas

            Agreed

          • Brandon Allen

            I really think she’s waiting for the opportune moment to actually reveal herself. It’s her trump card at this point.

            • Cheech

              Don’t say trump.

    • LMNOP

      It’s easy enough to both dislike her AND be mad about this kind of ish.

    • -h.h.h.-

      Can we just dislike Hillary instead of being mad at her for trying?

      nah, we gotta hate. as specified in the 2015 Black Summit, held at KOD’s, we proposed that if any politician tried to copy off of “The Lord and Saviour Beysus Christ”, that we’d have to read them.

      so i heard, i was locked out and had to attend the Black Boughetto Conference at Rolex

    • ChokeOnThisTea

      But this is not a stand alone incident from her. She’s a repeat offender.

      • Brandon Allen

        She’s been in the public eye for 25 years. Even Uncle Joe got caught out there with the Anita Hill thing.

        • ChokeOnThisTea

          And that’s what makes it worse–I’m only referencing THIS election cycle. Yet, she’s still a repeat offender

          • Brandon Allen

            You only feel that way because of the history she’s accrued.
            This stuff is trivial.

            • ChokeOnThisTea

              As an isolated incident, yes, it is trivial. But alas, it’s not an isolated incident.

        • Val

          You’re really caping hard for Hill today. Lol You’re not a paid staffer are you? Seriously.

          • Brandon Allen

            Naw not at all. There’s just a lot of disdain and bias toward Hillary over stuff that doesn’t matter. I’m not the only one who sees it.

            • LMNOP

              A lot of people just really don’t like her. If you already don’t like someone, all this stuff just grates a little more.

              • This is true. The only reason we don’t notice that is because of Trump.

              • Val

                And a lot of people just don’t trust her. Over 50% of the people according to polls.

                • Brandon Allen

                  To be honest a huge chunk of that is older white men. Straight sexism.

                  • Asiyah

                    No. There is a HUGE population of young women who are raking HRC over the coals. There’s even an article speculating why older women are more fond of her than younger ones.

                    • Brandon Allen

                      I didn’t say that age wasn’t a factor and women that don’t also dislike Hillary. But there’s a big chunk of that is older white men. Which is a demo that prolly wasn’t voting Dem anyway.

                    • Wild Cougar

                      I hate her with every ounce of my being. Her visage makes me enraged, her voice makes me wanna stab somebody. I rarely have this much hate for anyone, but I haaaaaaate her so hard.

                    • Val

                      The thought of having to listen to Hillary’s voice for 4 years is reason enough to vote against her. There’s a reason they call her ‘Shrillery’. Lol

                    • Ha! Mr. Man feels the same way. He starts barking at the screen like a Chihuahua whenever she comes on.

                    • Cheech

                      You have a dog named Mr. Man? That’s awesome.

                    • LOL. I wish we had a dog. Mr. Man is my hubby. He does own one of these tho. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/64d5819f8714cbed34dadcaa8f6f94913d52c5108db3ccf843c78aff513829d0.jpg

                    • Blueberry01

                      Oh, Ms. Petty, Pressed, and Pathetic? Yeah, I think they demoted her a while back because she was bringing down the overall morale of the team.

                  • Cheech

                    Guilty of old white and male. But not sexist, I don’t think. She threw Obama under the bus in 2008. Her positions change with the wind. Anti gay marriage. Pro DOMA. The email thing. Hiding the Rose Law Firm records. Her patent disingenuity. (When asked whether she had the server wiped — “What, you mean wiped with windex?” or some such.) I don’t hold her war vote against her (The Bushies lied to all of us, her too, and used loyal soldier Powell to do it), but lots of folks do. Trust-wise, she has a lot to answer for.

                    And yet….

                    • Cheech

                      I forgot, trashing the women whom Bill had been after. I believe Juanita Broaddrick. HRC threw her under the bus.

                • Kas

                  The Clinton’s have been raked over the coals for decades. This is not surprising.

              • Brandon Allen

                Yeah that’s true but Obama ain’t coming thru that door. Liking your politicians isn’t that important.

                • Wild Cougar

                  You can dislike someone for reasons that are keys to their character. I hated George W’s frat boy smirk. It was that entitled, take nothing serious attitude that got us into IRAQ. Gut feelings about a person are very good reasons for voting. Most people vote on that anyway and just come up with justifications.

                  • Cheech

                    I absolutely could not believe it when I heard the media say after the second Bush/Gore debate that America thought Bush won it. He looked like a terrified 7th grader who hadn’t done the reading. I wanted to hurl.

                    It was the most masterful job of expectation lowering ever done by a campaign.

                    That smirk told us everything we needed to know, yet people voted for him anyway.

                    All that said, I’ve got to overcome that instinct this fall.

            • Question

              I’m with you on this. And I’m not an HRC fan but the reasons I hear for not liking her kinda frustrate me. Its funny to hear staunch feminists eventually get to the fact that her husband is their biggest reason for not liking her.

            • Epsilonicus

              I have foreign policy reasons. HRC is a bit trigger happy.

              • Brandon Allen

                That’s a fair opinion. Big donors is another, but not all this dumb stuff.

          • Kas

            I’m rolling with Brandon on the HRC stuff. Though I admit the taxes under Bernie have a slight impact on it.

            • Brandon Allen

              Taxes? What happened?

              • Kas

                Have you looked at the estimated additional taxes to enact Bernie’s dreams?

                • LMNOP

                  You know how they say you get what you pay for?

                  • Epsilonicus

                    And for me the increase in taxes would be cheaper than what I pay straight out my pocket

                    • Kas

                      See my response to LMNOP

                    • Epsilonicus

                      It only hurts him depending on the Republican side. If it was Kasich, yes. But with Cruz or Trump not really.

                  • Kas

                    They also say money doesn’t grow on trees, God helps those who help themselves, and a penny saved is a penny earned.That ends my smart@ss response. I’m a HRC fan over Bernie for several reasons, but I do believe if Bernie were the Democratic nominee, the ads about the increase in taxes if he were President would crush him.

                • Brandon Allen

                  Greater than or less than Trump’s border wall?

                  • Kas

                    Mexico is paying for that. *smirk*

            • Cheech

              The tax stuff doesn’t even bother me. The pie in the sky does.

              • Kas

                Looking like it will be a moot point.

      • Question

        Aren’t they all? Why do we double down on Hillary?

    • Dougie

      Why can’t we do both? I dislike her stance on some issues. I don’t want to vote for her. I don’t think she’d be a progressive and policy changing president.

      But I also hate that she feels she needs to do this. I hate that her team is feeding her this and nowhere in her head is she like “yo, is this ok?”. I hate that it’s our culture that gets this ALL the time. She’s preaching some things that Bernie is forcing her to since he’s very progressive, but in her heart she believes all lives matter.

      • Brandon Allen

        It’s just doesnt serve a purpose in my humble opinion. It doesn’t make me upset that someone wants my vote. And I don’t think she’s against black people just because she’s tone deaf. Most elderly people are. And politicians are always going to pander to black people because black people are the designated underclass underclass and therefore skeptical of the government.

        • Dougie

          it doesn’t make me upset that she wants my vote, it makes me upset that she thinks so little of the black community, that this is the way she continuously goes about trying to get this vote. And even if it is a method that works, she doesn’t have enough integrity or confidence in her own platform that she can just use her own platform. It’s pitiful and it angers me.

          And even if every politician does it to an extent, it always seems like she’s doing it. Like every appearance. It feels belittling at this point.

    • Cheech

      Can we at least cringe?

      • Brandon Allen

        Most definitely. That’s appropriate.

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