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How Many Profiles Are We Going To Read About Idiot Trump Supporters Doubling Down On Self-Sabotaging Whiteness?

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This is (obviously) a rhetorical question. It’s impossible to answer. And as long as bloggers and reporters and columnists and opinion writers continue to pitch and write pieces where they either don’t know or pretend not to know why so many idiot Trump supporters still stand steadfast by their man, we will continue to read them. Which means they will continue to exist. Despite my frustration at this annoying new genre of MAGA fanfic, I admit to possessing a perverse fascination with these people, and I know I’m not alone.

Take “In Trump Country, Shock at Trump Budget Cuts, but Still Loyalty” for instance, where Nicholas Kristof of the NY Times interviews men and women who will be hurt and perhaps even killed by Trump’s proposed budget cuts.

Gawk at the follow passage, and tell me how you can read it and not be completely spellbound by it.

Judy Banks, a 70-year-old struggling to get by, said she voted for Trump because “he was talking about getting rid of those illegals.” But Banks now finds herself shocked that he also has his sights on funds for the Labor Department’s Senior Community Service Employment Program, which is her lifeline. It pays senior citizens a minimum wage to hold public service jobs. “This program makes sense,” said Banks, who was placed by the program into a job as a receptionist for a senior nutrition program. Banks said she depends on the job to make ends meet, and for an excuse to get out of the house.

“If I lose this job,” she said, “I’ll sit home and die.”

Yet she said she might still vote for Trump in 2020

If Trump does what he says he’s going to do, she knows she’ll have nothing to live for and might even die. But she still would vote for him — even if that vote came from the fucking grave. Keeping “those illegals” out and retaining the value of Whiteness in America is so important to her that she’d choose that over her own life. 

And perhaps quotes like that articulate the true value of these endless and mind-numbing profiles. It’s not for us to be sympathetic to them, or to determine how to reach them, but for us to finally collectively realize that they just can’t be reached. That we’re operating with different currencies, and concepts like “logic” and “literally saving your own fucking ass” are valueless to them. That they’d rather see us gone or dead (or both) than themselves alive.

So yes, let’s continue to read about and study them. Not to figure out how to sway them, but to squash any inkling or thought of feeling bad for them.

Damon Young

Damon Young is the editor-in-chief of VSB. He is also a columnist for GQ.com And he's working on a book of essays to be published by Ecco (HarperCollins). Damon is busy. He lives in Pittsburgh, and he really likes pancakes. Reach him at damon@verysmartbrothas.com. Or don't. Whatever.

  • Duncan Frame

    Funny enough I had this same discussion yesterday. Study them not to reach them but to defeat them.

  • If they fall prey to political Darwinism it was meant to be.

  • grownandsexy2

    “That they’d rather see us gone or dead (or both) than themselves alive.”

    That’s some real hate for you right there. Apparently, whiteness and white privilege has damaged the cognitive, intellectual and moral processes of white folks.

    • Kas loves Jamaican Breakfast

      Think of it from this standpoint. Take away the ability to feel Superior to black and brown people, and they have nothing. Born, raised and will die in some little Podunk town never living much above sustenance levels. A waste of a life.

      • cyanic

        Reminds me of Paul Mooney when he weeps at the sight of a homeless white person and says to himself what a waste of white skin.

        • kingpinenut

          +50-11

        • grownandsexy2

          Reminds me of a white homeless guy I see every day as he shoves his sign and cup for change in my face on my commute home. My thoughts are “white boy, you gon’ be alright.”

          • Kas loves Jamaican Breakfast

            Or not, either way I don’t care.

          • Mary Burrell

            And even though he’s dirty and homeless he still probably thinks he’s better than the well dressed black person on their way to work because he has white skin.

            • grownandsexy2

              I’m sure he does.

          • cdj

            Basically. I usually think, “Take a shower and get a haircut. You’ll end up being someone’s boss.”

      • “M”

        Only because they believe themselves to be above learning anything new – from subjects as broad as similarities between people to the minutiae of job retraining.

    • I_AmU

      It wasn’t damaged it was never anything other than what it is now.

  • BrothasKeeper

    Schadenfreude is so captivating, especially when you know you’re in the right, and actively ensured that that right was upheld.

    An anecdote: I have a student who is a senior. This entire semester, she’s presented herself as antagonistic, self-absorbed, contrarian, difficult, disruptive, and I have to remove her from the classroom at least three times a week because she refuses to do the right thing. She battles because according to her, she took the course before and passed, so she wasn’t supposed to be in my class. When I asked her grade level principal if this was true, she showed me her transcript, which indicated that she got a passing grade in the class, but she didn’t receive credit because she was absent so much. So, since she decided to add liar to her psychological repertoire, I wash my hands. All I will do is the CYA paperwork and sleep well at night with a conscience as clear as the waters of the Caribbean.

    They don’t wanna be saved. So don’t save them. https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/71ff837ad76491528c51440139a02421050fc8b6d97a1c1efcfe3b3933e30ba4.gif

    • WeJammingStill

      Is your name Jesus Christ? And even he couldn’t save all.

    • cedriclathan

      What if she ends up in your class again? That would suck!

      • BrothasKeeper

        Not for me. I did my part. If she didn’t learn her lesson, she’s dumber than I thought.

        • MW

          Wow, I guess you showed her, huh?
          Thanks for showing everyone what teaching is all about.

          • BrothasKeeper

            You’re welcome.

            • MW

              “…liar”
              “…I wash my hands”
              “…I will do the CYA paperwork”
              “…so don’t save them”

              .

              “It’s called tough love”.

              LOL. Yeah. Sure it is, you just keep telling yourself that.

              Keep up the great teaching!

              • BrothasKeeper

                I will. I’m guessing you’ve been a teacher or spent some time in a classroom before; otherwise, your critique would be less caustic. Feel free to offer an alternative solution.

                • MW

                  As a matter of fact, I come from an entire family of educators. Any one of them would say the same thing after reading your comments: “Not everyone is cut out to be put in a classroom with students.”

                  If you’re engaging in some kind of personal battle of wills with students, so unable to take the high road that you’re pitting yourself against them even in your own mind, you’ve already proven that to be true.

                  God help your students.

                  • BrothasKeeper

                    I asked YOU if YOU were ever a teacher, though. If you did, particularly on the secondary level, you’d understand the importance of meeting the children where they are mentally, socially, emotionally and academically, and bringing them to your level, just like I’m doing with you. It is apparent from our exchange that only one of us is a competent educator (hint: it’s not you; another hint: it’s me).

                    Teach for a year, or better yet 17, and vary the levels at which you do, then get back to me. Until then, God help you.

                    • MW

                      Yeah, you didn’t understand a word I said, unsurprisingly. Looks like you’re no better at learning than you are at teaching.

                      Well, enjoy your battle of wills with minors. I hope someone screenshots your pathetic comments about about taking pleasure in the failures of your students, and sends it to all their parents. Then perhaps one of them will educate you for real…

              • DiamondIsMyRealName

                She’s a senior, she should definitely know better… @brothaskeeper:disqus has no reason to coddle that behavior at that age

  • PGrajnert

    These are people dying from eating Jim Crow. To paraphrase Dr. Martin Luther King.

  • Jimmy Flounderello

    Things will get better after the Russian sleeper cells are activated.

  • Junegirl627

    Where are the lies? ????

    It’s like I told my mom. “W”hite people will cut off their own foot to guarantee black and brown people lose access to quality corn removal options.

    • fedup

      I snorted at “quality corn removal options”!

      • Junegirl627

        But it’s the truth. We see examples everyday. Poor white people on welfare voting for the republican who wants to get rid of welfare because black people shouldn’t be able to buy steak.

        ACA says your asthma pump, epi pen, and heart medts can’t be denied because it’s a pre existing condition but since the Black president is getting credit they wanna get rid of it and kill themselves

        • JamaicanJewel

          You are absolutely correct. It boggles how many vote against their own best interests for any number of reasons. And in the example you cite – the ACA – they says its because they love the ACA and hate Obamacare. Go figure. I know I said above that some are smart and can think for themselves, but some aren’t and can’t.

          • Sir Recon

            They are voting for all of our long term viability, not short term freebies, your premise is wrong, that’s why you hate

        • Melissa

          An NYTimes story about this had a man who was being helped by a job-training program that he was scared of being shut out of, but he voted for Trump because he thought he’d get rid of “Obama phones”. Mind you, the program predates the Obama administration, is paid for exclusively by the phone companies, and most rational people agree that a cellphone is a basic necessity. I thought most people knew that Reagan’s Welfare Queen was a lie, but here we are.

    • Sir Recon

      I bet you’ve never met a handout you didn’t like, not everybody is a taker for life

      • Junegirl627

        Remember that when you have your hand out in front of a Walmart or a target begging people to buy YOU a vet something to eat because you can’t find work or a program to help provide work and training in trumps economy where rich people getting a cut on their taxes is okay but hard working Americans getting assistance from a government their tax dollars keeps running are lazy a-holes.

        Oh and youre right I love getting handouts! Almost as much as your piece of sh–t president loves them. Only difference is I have worked since I was 12 years old and only got assistance when I’m truly In Need vs the orange sh–tbag you love to suck off.

        • Sir Recon

          You must have your wig on too tight, if you think I would beg for crumbs in front of a Walmart, and your eyelashes must be unglued if you can’t see that the economy is on a roll and most people that want work are going to find it. Hating on the rich isn’t going to enrich anybody, pure jealousy like when your Baby daddy always toiling with younger bitches only burns you up with rage and hate, what’s stopping you from donating more of your own money to feed some loser in front of the Walmart, So stop running off every man in your life calm down and reap what you sow, and keep your pointy nails out my pocket.

          • Junegirl627

            And there it is!! The truth behind the anger. You love Black women but they don’t give you the time of day. You try to go to the strip club and ask for the military discount and they laugh you out the place. And now you have decided that the reason behind all of this is because black people are greedy and don’t want to work for anything. When the truth is you are a cold worthless sub human. Mongoose/rhino dung/ bent sperm hybrid.

            You use reverse psychology on yourself to claim that black women aren’t good enough for you to keep from admitting you aren’t good enough to lick my boots. At ease Soldier!!!!! I’m not the enemy the fat guy in the big house on Pennsylvania Avenue that’s eating $1000 wagyu steaks and got you out there watching your friends get blown up so they can get a discounta on oil and contracts and tax cuts on land for hotels is. :*

          • Cpt_Justice

            If you weren’t as dumb as dirt, you’d be able to figure out that you ARE paying for poor people every time you have to spend more than you should on services that, in civilized & intelligent countries, is paid for by taxes, because that spreads the burden. You obviously aren’t old enough to know that the “feed the rich” laws Trump is trying to enact were already impose don us by Ronald Regan, and called ‘trickle down economics.” They failed so spectacularly that it wasn’t until the end of Clinton’s 2nd term that the economy had recovered – just in time for reactionary bitches like you to vote in Bush Jr to piss it all away, & hand the mess to Obama – & then stand in his way to keep him from fixing it any more than he could so on his own. So stop bitching at women who are trying to educate you & then maybe you won’t ruin America anymore than you have already, you hateful misogynistic bigot.

            • Sir Recon

              lol, it’s ok to live in fantasy land, but you are a special kind of stupid if you think Clinton fixed the economy at the end of his second term, as history recalls it, he left Bush with a recession after riding the spectacular Success of the 80’s thru the mid 90’s, but that’s another version of the truth that would cause you to get out of your cave of comfort. Calling me or anybody a Bigot for having the balls to call this Bigoted whiny bunch of losers that populate the comment section of racist commentary on this website is an epic exercise of blindness and slavish subordination to communist propaganda. But that’s ok call me what you will, it doesn’t bother me, it only serves one function, which is to marginalize me in your otherwise incoherent brain and prop you up with a false sense of superiority, I skoff everytime I SEE it, lol, loser

              • Cpt_Justice

                The irony of your post is superseded only by your projecting. The fact that you believe any of this is insane to begin with, but the belligerence of your obvious defensiveness really marks you as someone who needs help.

      • Cpt_Justice

        I bet you’ve never looked at who gets the most handouts. Free Clue: it’s NOT Democrats, or Blue States.

        • Sir Recon

          uhhh, by percentage or by numbers? Is that your argument, Democrats don’t get the most handouts, so we need more handouts, lol, lol, lol, shut up, All welfare handouts need a cold hard look, regardless of who is actually getting them, they are destroying the communities(all) will to succeed wherever they are abused beyond their intent. Dummy run the numbers you can’t compare % to Sums. Free Clue: when you regurgitate propaganda you don’t know nuttin cept what makes you sleep at night in your own blissful stupidity.

          • Cpt_Justice

            Wow. I bet you think this is an intelligent, factual, well-written post, too. I pity you.

  • cyanic
    • cedriclathan

      “Who is Andrew Bogut?”, for $400.

      • cyanic

        Nope. Derrick Rose.

        • cedriclathan

          Not if you’re a Warrior fan

      • BrothasKeeper

        Stole my answer!

  • Brooklyn_Bruin

    “Sherri Underwood (Trump Voter)

    Repeal and replace was the primary motivating factor in
    my vote for Donald Trump. It is what swayed my vote despite my
    misgivings with him. The premiums had continued to climb under
    Obamacare. It was really squeezing our household budget, and I was still
    unable to buy the medications I needed. I didn’t receive much coverage
    under my policy, and I felt like I was being held hostage to this policy
    that wasn’t beneficial to me unless I needed it for some catastrophic
    event. ”

    Here’s the kicker

    “I didn’t really have strong, preconceived notions of how Washington
    would accomplish this. I’m not running for office, I’m not promising to
    make it better. *I take them at their word to make it better*. ”

    http://www.vox.com/conversations/2017/4/1/15144050/obamacare-ahca-repeal-replace-trump-marketplace

    • Kas loves Jamaican Breakfast

      Idiot and idiots, the lot of them

      • Brooklyn_Bruin

        How do we feel about paternalism? These people don’t know how to take care of themselves, so we gotta do it for them.

        In my hood grocery, the manager has to approve ALL individual liquor sales.
        Over in Suitland, a few train stops down – they don’t even carry alcohol at their grocery store.

    • cakes_and_pies

      “Squeezing her household budget”?
      Her worth is around $2 million and she’s the primary caretaker of her sister, so you KNOW she gets an extra check from the government.

    • Alessandro De Medici

      It’s interesting, but isn’t that the whole problem with American politics: a lot of people who are passionate about issues, but no idea of the substance of those problems? And there’s no demand of the politicians to clearly explain it to them, so they just push the people who mirror their feelings to them.

      • cdj

        I was just thinking about this, in terms of ACA. A lot of these people upset about their premiums could have qualified for help under Medicaid expansion, but their Republican governors turned down funds offered from the federal government to do this. Now instead of holding the state officials’ feet to the fire, they’re still mad at Obama.

        I’m sure that many didn’t know the funds were rejected, but even if it was explained to them, I think they wouldn’t want to hear it, because it doesn’t jibe with their worldview.

        • Gibbous

          And they don’t understand that 1) while premiums are going up, they going up at a slower rate than pre ACA and 2) Medicaid gap, and 3) pre ACA, you would not have had any coverage at all. Hmmm . . .

          • cdj

            Now see, you know that’s too many facts for them…

    • What state does Underwood live in? From what I understand, the states that experienced a premium increase are the ones that didn’t expand Medicare to meet the Obamacare demand.

      Premiums did not increase significantly in Arkansas because our Democratic governor at the time made sure that expanding health care was contingent to expanding Medicare.

      • Valerie

        “From what I understand, the states that experienced a premium increase are the ones that didn’t expand Medicare to meet the Obamacare demand.”

        EXACTLY. I wish more people would remember this that is why your premium is going up. Texas didn’t accept it so I know our premiums are going up.

  • Brooklyn_Bruin

    Off Topic but – I’m dying to talk about Ghost in the Shell w/folks that have seen Get Out.

    • cyanic

      How are the two related?

      • Brooklyn_Bruin

        SPOILERS

        SPOILERS
        SPOILERS
        SPOILERS

        GO – White brains in black bodies.
        GITS – Japanese brains in white bodies.

    • BrothasKeeper

      I’m torn. I liked the original GITS, but I don’t know if I wanna plunk down my drachmas to see a whitewashed flick when I can just watch Lucy again.

      • Brooklyn_Bruin

        The white washing is a touchy issue for me, cause none of this screams Japanese to me

        https://thenextissuepodcast.files.wordpress.com/2016/04/kusanagi.jpg

        But it’s the substitution of Western Ideals for the Eastern ones that is the bigger crime.

        • BrothasKeeper

          Animé is paradoxical in the sense that all its characters are produced with decidedly Anglo features, with little to no variation. I’m not sure if the visual interpretation and the incorporation of Western tenets are a testament to the West’s sphere of influence or the Japanese tapping into a market that has an insatiable worldwide demand.

          • cyanic

            White supremacist conditioning is global. Asians the world over get eye surgery to widen their eyelids.

            • Brooklyn_Bruin

              Their preference for light skin predates the Western Culture war.

              • Alessandro De Medici

                White Supremacy may one day die, but human fuckupedness still has a long way to go.

          • Alessandro De Medici

            Welp, whatcha gonna do?

            It’s odd, because Japan is perhaps one of the most homogeneous countries in the world. Unlike China, where you can get a job off your whiteness alone, Japan would rather produce robot slaves than rapidly increase immigration of non-Japanese people.

            • Hugh Akston

              Was just listening to an author describing n Koreans treatments in Japan..quite interesting

              • Alessandro De Medici

                The Japanese are hated for a reason in the southeast of Asia smh.

                • Brooklyn_Bruin

                  Memories are long.

              • Kas loves Jamaican Breakfast

                One of my best friends is Korean, born and raised in Japan. He ended up going to a high school for expats because of the blatant racism.

          • Brooklyn_Bruin

            I think it’s far more complicated. Akira, for the West, is basically our holy grail of Anime – and those characters are decidedly Japanese looking.
            http://nerdreactor.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/akira_03.jpg

            I think part of the issue with “whitewashing” for Anime – is that Americans are using our sense of race/color to define what we think OTHERS should think. This is not to deny the rampant racism in Japan, Asia in general – but it’s not a “black and white issue”. The idea that white skin dominates what they find attractive is the exact opposite of how white women experience being in Asia. Plenty of female expats have found that Japanese/Korean/Chinese men don’t really find them as fetching as American men found them here.

            European is 2nd to whatever particular nationality that they reside in. It’s been said that within Japan, it’s better to be any kind of Westerner compared with a Korean, esp a “Korean” that’s a 3rd/4th generation Korean.

            What I find interesting about GITS live action movie – is how the “weird” colorist/racist stuff in anime gets supplanted for typical clueless white guy American/Western racism. This is aside from all the standard stuff already been discussed ad nauseam.

            I’ve yet to see anyone take this on. I find neither the Nerds of Color and Geeks of Color sites, to be very good with this sort of thing. They retreat into a tumblr/screed level of analysis.

            Watched a review yesterday about how they swapped out Western philosophy for Eastern, without actually describing what either philosophy is.

            • Alessandro De Medici

              To Asians, especially people like the Japanese and Chinese, whiteness implies wealth, however, wealth doesn’t imply superiority, or a sense of it, like it does in America. For Asians, superiority is a product of discipline, it’s why culturally speaking, a large aspect of their culture is defined by it.

              Furthermore, because America has never been invaded, there’s a tendency to not understand or to properly integrate how boundaries and geography affect how cultures develop and how they interact with each other.

              • Hugh Akston

                Idk from what I heard this country was invaded by lib tards moselms and Mexicans taking over…and those blacks? Ever heard of them?

              • Brooklyn_Bruin

                Yeah, I’m not gonna simplify the cultures of 2+ billion people.

      • Hugh Akston

        I’m having the same issue as well

        Love the anime but after watching the American of DB and the last air bender I wanted to stay away

        • cyanic

          Hurt them financially at the domestic box office. Then catch the pirated Blu-ray stream when they dump it on video.

    • Brown Rose
      • Brooklyn_Bruin

        I get the whitewashing debate – it’s important to have symbols. And they (poorly) address this issue in the movie.

        Right now Black Panther is getting black-washed, but nobody wants to say anything about that. African super hero, leader of an African nation, and seems like the majority of the cast is either British or American. What sensibility are they truly bringing to the screen? It’s not like there aren’t African actors on the continent that should not be in introduced on a global stage. This is a discussion that nobody wants to have because then they’ll understand their role as cultural imperialists. Just like black Afro-Punks getting their faces painted were apoplectic when folks talking about their own culture-vulturing. You get all these tortured defenses about diaspora this and diaspora that…

        So I sidestep those debates, because that’s not really my fight, and furthermore I don’t think it’s a worthy fight much less a fight people can win.

        What’s worse to me is that the ideas in GitS have been transmogrified.

        Last week Supervillain Elon Musk starts a company to make neural links to computers – the entire subject of GitS . Instead with GITS we got an entirely conventional story that is essentially ScarJo as a bionic Jason Bourne.

        • Brown Rose

          I haven’t read Black Panther so I don’t know about African appropriation. I understand the impulse to incorporate African elements since Black American culture is diffuse and simply doesn’t have an ethnic tie to tribe like many Africans on the continent can claim to solidify identity and place.

          I don’t plan on seeing Ghost, because it is basically about Scarlett, who I don’t find particularly interesting. Anime’s roots started with Disney illustrations and then they created a unique genre that we see today. Thus, the Japanese are problematic, because they do seek white acceptance even though they are intensely xenophobic, ethnocentrists who endlessly rhapsodize over the superiority of nipponism.

          The original Ghost in the Shell and the Sequel Innocence had a much more complex exploration of human and machine, sentience, and reality. It was pretty groundbreaking for that time and still is. The current crop of Anime just doesn’t have the kind grown up exploration of themes with very few exceptions.

          • Valerie

            “The original Ghost in the Shell and the Sequel Innocence had a much more complex exploration of human and machine, sentience, and reality. It was pretty groundbreaking for that time and still is.”

            Exactly they did not carry that into this movie (I didn’t see it, thankfully)

    • Valerie

      I’m here for this topic.

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