we sparked it yesterday…
v renee: Define ho. I’m curious to know, what you think makes someone a ho, besides the been around the block factor. If you’re single and grown, most are more than likely you have at least been to the corner or at least mailbox.
the champ: defining ho is more of an art than a science. its hard to explain…but you kind of just know one when you see one.
for the sake of the reply though, here’s my stab:
if the amount of sexual partners you’ve had in your life exceeds the amount of friends you’ve had, you were a ho
if every guy you’ve ever been with has had “magic stick” treatment (if they hit once, they can hit whenever they want) for years, then you were a ho
if the amount of people you’ve been with once quadruples the amount of people you’ve been with more than four times, then you were a ho
if your private parts look like the trashcan in a supermarket deli, you were a ho
slut.
ho.
tramp.
slore.
strumpet.
the rolling definition of what constitutes “ho” behavior has more conditions and variables than gem’s panty drawer a sidekick contract, a dynamic which creates myraid questions.
do sheer numbers carry the most weight? if so, how do age and circumstance factor when making this consideration?
what about specific acts/people? is ho-dum mostly defined by exactly what/who someone is willing to do, and how willing they are to do it/them?
where does the over-prioritization of sex factor in to all of this? is someone who’d drop their close friends and serious responsibilities quicker than a meth head’s twich just for the potential sniff of some ass in possession of more “ho-like” qualties than someone who merely just fits their indiscriminate boning into their daily schedule?
lastly, should any of this even matter? as long as consenting adults are mutually partaking in this behavior, why should anyone even care how many hundreds of thousands of consenting adults a person has practiced this behavior with?
anyway though, slattern hussies good people of vsb.com, how would you define ho-dom, what tangible signs (if any) are there that someone might have been running continual drawer-less marathons around the coitius block…and should it even matter?
—the champ
going back to yesterday (sorry, i should’ve really posted this yesterday, but you brought it up again)… what about a reformed ho? why would a reformed ho still be dealing with ish? is there no hope for anyone who’s ever been a ho?
“what about a reformed ho? why would a reformed ho still be dealing with ish?”
Reformed ho? What, did they go to ho rehab or sumfin?? Do Ho-hab programs include “12 steps of building back disintegrated sugar walls”? or “How not to slob the knob of every Tom, DICK, and Hairy (balls)”? I don’t get it.
YESSS I’m back! *pumps tiny fist*
Y r ur fist so tiny?
LOL.
Luvvie’s fists are probably tiny because she’s tiny or used to be in a former life (like me…*eyeroll*). Small people tend to have (some) small parts. My fists are tiny and I have ears and feet the size of an average 2nd grader.
U r right, PBG. I’m of the petite persuasion, so my fists r small. Imagine someone small w/ big hammer fists. EEWWW
I know a chick about my height and thickness (size 8) and she wears a damn 9.5 shoe!! She just looks disproportionate as all get out to me. Even though I can never find a decent shoe in my size, I’m still thankful for my size 6 feet!
Do Ho-hab programs include “12 steps of building back disintegrated sugar walls”?
ho-hab??
Yes, Champie. Ho-Hab: Where legs go learn to stay closed. Where walls are rebuilt. Where most college students need to go.
Yes, Champie. Ho-Hab: Where legs go learn to stay closed. Where walls are rebuilt. Where most college students need to go.
LMAO.. yeah most freshmen curriculum includes Hodom 101
is there no hope for anyone who’s ever been a ho?
good question. not having been a ho, i can’t provide a testimonial.
perhaps we can take a VSB poll:
as a former ho, can you be the change an SO can believe in??
“is there no hope for anyone who’s ever been a ho?”
First off, I think there are different types of ho’s. Growing up, my 1st encounter with a ho was the 12 year old chick on the block that humped all the ninja’s, sometimes 2 or 3 at the same time. So in this case, in order for that ho to have a chance, she would have to move to another state to get a fresh start and that’s if she’s still fresh (read: disease free and still has walls). But usually these type of ho’s start playing for the other team by the time they are 17. Why is this?
But usually these type of ho’s start playing for the other team by the time they are 17. Why is this?
maybe because they have run out of shyt and men to do? LOL I dont know but I noticed this phenom when I went to my highschool reunion a while back…
But usually these type of ho’s start playing for the other team by the time they are 17. Why is this?
this is actually a sign of early sexual abuse.
There a howish ways make them feel that all men aint sh*t b/c just about every men has only used them for their bodies. But many times they dont realize is that they’re the reason that all men used them for their bodies.
lol you know me or something? after some 12-14 y/o ho-ing i moved to another state (disease free and never preggo!) and i’ve been a good girl ever since… (minus some brief college freshman ho-ishness, but haven’t we all been there? lol)
i recently fell IN LOVE in love for the first time ever and got cheated on… BAD. this is the only time i’ve ever been cheated on — to my knowledge, but the champ’s post had me wondering… :’-(
but the champ’s post had me wondering… :’-(
wondering about what?
welcome, btw and sh*t
I believe she meant wondering if the reason she was cheated on was because she’s a reformed h*e.
thanks, v renee.
my 1st encounter with a ho was the 12 year old chick on the block that humped all the ninja’s, sometimes 2 or 3 at the same time
i’m sorry… but i can’t call a 12 year old acting out like this a “ho”… this is a little girl who had some serious issues. poor thang.
@Gem of the Ocean,
Nice question…I am not a ho either HOWEVER, I do know a few. I would say that some can be reformed and some can not. I believe that it takes for a ho to hit bottom and want to change before she makes a difference. There are ho’s that have confidence problems and no self love. I think that a ho needs to deal with that inorder to want to better themselves. You can not change a Ho into a lady until they want to change.
well if the prevailing notion is that you can’t turn a ho into a housewife (and i know two dudes who can prove it, convincingly) i have to wonder how you reform. aside from just going nun-al and finding Hayseuss, in which case nobody will truly believe you in the first place.
thing is, being a ho might be akin to getting labeled something you’re not…if everybody thinks you’re a ho, then by default you’re a ho. lol. sad but true. then again, stereotypes are rooted in truth.
i said nothing in this comment.
Not true… you did say something that grabbed my attention.
“ thing is, being a ho might be akin to getting labeled something you’re not…if everybody thinks you’re a ho, then by default you’re a ho. ”
I do not agree with you 100% on that one. B/c sometimes… The word that’s going around the block could be stemmed from jealousy or hate and not necessarily truth or any rendition of said truth. It could simply be the hyped up rantings of opinionated truth, in other words…a rumor or gossip.
And now for my “hood-ish” example:
If you heard from JJ who heard from June who heard from T who heard from Kisha who heard from Tiffany who heard from Peaches and nem that LaLa is a Ho, only LaLa isn’t a how and Peaches is just jealous of LaLa b/c the boy who used to be with Peaches is now with LaLa… that doesn’t make her a Ho. That just means that everybody believes that Peaches and nem’s opinionated truth is whats real when in fact, it’s just her hatin!
Personally, my definition of what a ho is changes like my daily lunch choice. I call it like I see it and if I’m wrong, and I’m usually not, I will be woman enough to accept that I was wrong, if it happens, which it rarely does.
I’m not a ho, never been a ho, don’t exhibit ho-like behavior. That hasn’t stopped a few rumors to be circulated about me. Do I let it bother me, a little b/c it’s my reputation that they are screwing with and I work very hard to maintain my rep as it stands. I don’t take kindly to ruining my hard work. The only reason it doesn’t bother me too much is b/c those who know me,have a pretty good idea about who I am and what I’m about. I don’t worry about it, but it does poison the minds of future friends, associates, contacts, networking possiblities, etc. etc. Which could directly/indirectly affect my finacial intake, which would mean i’d have to directly/indirectly affect your health and physical fitness. I’m not saying…. I’m just saying.
Wow!! This was way longer than I intended… oh well!
I’m not a ho, never been a ho, don’t exhibit ho-like behavior.
this aint what i heard
“…If you heard from JJ who heard from June who heard from T who heard from Kisha who heard from Tiffany who heard from Peaches and nem…”
That chick Kisha always got her name in somebody’s mouth. She keep some mess goin’ on.
Every gossip chain or rumor ramification has a chick named “Kisha” all up and through it.
@PDJ,
I have to disagree too
I was at least 2 years younger than my high school counterparts and wasn’t even 18 till my sophomore college year, and I had mad people hating on me cause I was smart and ish…. anywho I had a horrible reputation while in high school and didn’t even know about it and I was still a virgin. YES I WAS! cause people were hating on me.
“The word that’s going around the block could be stemmed from jealousy or hate and not necessarily truth or any rendition of said truth”
sums up my adolescent life
LOL @ Hayseuss
I define “ho” as someone who consistently has sex with a myriad of partners with no established connection or relationship or who uses sex as a bargaining tool for material especially or emotional (sometimes) gain.
and it is important only because the more s.e.xual partners a person has the more at risk for disease that person is but if its past behavior and all tests have come back clean…
I agree. Howeish tendencies in themselves can stem from victimization, being molested, low self esteem, and a host of other reasons-and a lot of it has to do with the mysoginist, male dominated, s*x obsessed culture we live in. Women have been led to believe they have to step out of character and engage in all sorts of f***ery to be loved, even if for a night. It is my firm belief that no woman, if given a choice, would choose to be in a casual sexual relationship, that will never amount to anything more. There are legions of empty, broken, depressed women out there because they thought they could sleep their way to happily ever after. The porn industry, music videos, unrealistic standards of beauty and Hollywood culture are all part of the larger machine of self hatred.
I cannot tell you how many girls I know who thought that all they had to do was be a down arse chick, until the side effects of guilt and feelings of worthlessness all but consumed them and sets them on a vicious cycle (exluding reformed howes). This to me is a sign that h*-dom is not for us ladies.
“The porn industry. . . are all part of the larger machine of self hatred. ”
Porn is apart of self hatred. When males watch it, they literally beat themselves up. If that ain’t self hatred, I don’t know what is
P*rn is apart of self hatred. When males watch it, they literally beat themselves up. If that ain’t self hatred, I don’t know what is
**snickering**
actually, they beat themselves down
Ironically, it’s self love also.
It is my firm belief that no woman, if given a choice, would choose to be in a casual sexual relationship, that will never amount to anything more
I am agreeing with everything u said but this… I know plenty of women who would have casual s*xual relationships, but maybe don’t do it cuz they don’t want to be labeled a “ho”…
So truuuue. Every word.
this is a great definition!!!
i definitely agree with the “uses sex as a bargaining tool for material especially or emotional gain”… you’s a hoooooooooo HOOOOOOOOOO….
To balance the scale, i’m going to say what I think makes a man a ho.
If he’s ever ran a train on a woman. Ho
If he keeps a list of the women he’s bang. Ho
If he makes it a point to bang a woman every chance he can get. Ho
That’s all for now
Pretend like I’m stupid: why is keeping the list ho-like?
i’m wondering this too…lol…not that i got a list or anything, i’m just saying.
I’m a little late with a response but it has a lot to do with a person’s mentality.
Usually, if a person has only been with a handful of people they can easily remember and no not need a list. But people who keep a list fall in one of two category: 1)they plan on banging a lot of people so they start a list to keep track or 2) they’ve been with so many people that a list needs to be created. Hence a ho.
Seriously think about it. What would drive a person to create a list of people they’ve slept with?? Am I missing other reasons?
Note: this does not exclude people who are ho’s that do not have a list.
BTW, I can count on one hand how many people i’ve been with and do not need a list. Hence, not a ho.
“If he keeps a list of the women he’s bang. Ho”
Shoot, if he’s freaked so many people that he cant even keep a list, THAT would make him ho-tastic.
lol good point.
“Shoot, if he’s freaked so many people that he cant even keep a list, THAT would make him ho-tastic”
*holds head in shame*
eff, hold your head high.
this is the primary reason I don’t keep a list!
no shame
You kinda just lowered my self esteem a little
im glad you wrote “he” as did chaotic diva below..im feeling that male ho-dom doesn;t have the same social stigma as female ho-dom and gets different formulas and what not.
moreover, i really don’t care how you slice and dice those numbers in the calculator amount of sexual partners (be it with someone 1 time or 20 times) is still an important number. Can’t a man/woman be a serial commitment hoe..nevermind im going to sleep.
im glad you wrote “he” as did chaotic diva below..im feeling that male ho-dom doesn;t have the same social stigma as female ho-dom and gets different formulas and what not.
you know it is.. of course being a male h* comes with way less stigma and they tend to not have to live with long term repercussions like women do.
That is male privilage….LOL
“you know it is.. of course being a male h* comes with way less stigma ”
indeed..i just wanted to be clear about that as it related to this post. I went to school with a girl who (at our little “fireside” chat”) admitted she had 30 sexual partners at 19. She got a lot of flack for admitting that.
but then i got to thinking about the guys our age at the time. was she only a hoe because her number exceeded her male counterparts? Does her number suggest more sex#ual freedoms and exploration that men naturally resent?
should i take my @zz to bed (at 1:27am est)?
but then i got to thinking about the guys our age at the time. was she only a hoe because her number exceeded her male counterparts? Does her number suggest more sex#ual freedoms and exploration that men naturally resent?
I mean I think its 2 parts.. I mean the sheer number of 30 based on her age.. makes anyone a h.o..but also I have seen it in action most men will consider a woman a h.o if the number of men she admits to is either more than their number or within like 5….
i think 30 at age 19 is a problem…hell, when i was in high school (in my more rambunctious days) my girlfriend at the time divulged to me that she’d had 10 partners by the time she got to me…lol. let’s keep in mind that we were 16 when we got together. and i know she probably slept with AT LEAST two more new people while we were together.
needless to say, she was a ho. used up by 18. so sad.
“i think 30 at age 19 is a problem”
Is 30 a problem at 30? what about for a man. I dont know I think there is a natural double standard that exists in the definition. I’m really feeling that if a woman’s sexual partner count exceeds her male counterpart she get;s the standard hoe stamp.
there is a natural double standard, however, unless she lost her virginity at like 15, its like she hit the ground running. 30 partners for anybody by age 19 definitely qualifies one for ho-dom b/c it implies indiscriminatasticness. she couldn’t have been getting much from it…
there is a natural double standard
i don’t think there is anything natural about the double standard… cause standards are different in every culture. Our standards in this country are purely a social construct, it’s just been this way so long that we take it as being natural.
That is male privilage….LOL
you’re right. it is.
oh well
Wrong on all counts.
Ho-dom is not about what you do. It’s about whether you’re receiving what you want in return for your actions.
That is to say, ho-dom is defined as there being an imbalance in any sort of trade between two people:
-s/he gives her what she wants, but gets none of what s/he wants back.
This could be physical/emotional/monetary/work/time, etc.
I agree.
Although being a ho has alot to do with the raw number, it also has to to with how that number was reached. If you were gettin smutted out in a back alley, you’re a ho. If somebody was calling you out of ur sleep, making you walk/take a cab to their house, w/o paying for the cab, smutting you out w/ total disregard for ur sexual pleasure, then not having the decency to pay for a cab back or take u home or let u spend the night, you my friend are a shmeeze.
Is it wrong that I love the phrase smutted out?
Nah…I’m thinking I may have to work this into my vocab.
No but it might be wrong if you love being smutted out.
LOL!!
I’m kinda feeling “shmeeze” myself.
hehe yeah “shmeeze” is a good one.
Me 2.
I love new slang.
isn’t that more just treating them like a prostitute? i mean, she may really be feeling you and not KNOW that she’s finna get the “catch a cab back home and fix me a sandwich” treatment. like, is it not possible that this is just a naive chick? she’ll learn in time not to let no man treat her like that (hopefully) or she’ll go into porn. but just treating a chick like a ho doesnt make her a ho to me…
It has to make her (or him) o h.o if she (he) allows you to do it, repeatedly.
no… it makes them either naive or afraid to loose something (you, your approval or something twisted) if they defend themselves… and what does it make u to treat someone like this?
“and what does it make u to treat someone like this?”
That my friends, is the question.
no… it makes them either naive or afraid to loose something (you, your approval or something twisted) if they defend themselves… and what does it make u to treat someone like this?
This is why more women need to use discretion! They want something YOU have, don’t think you’re going to be invited to the party if you do it, cause you might not.
Lets say that all ppl involved are shmeezes and leave it at that
but just treating a chick like a ho doesnt make her a ho to me…
interesting point and sh*t
“shmeeze”
hahaha
Exactly!
“Ho-dom is not about what you do. It’s about whether you’re receiving what you want in return for your actions.”
I have to disagree. Your actions are a manifestation of your thoughts and who you are. Just because you got what you wanted that does not exclude you from being labeled a hoe.
Example. If a girl has in her mind that she wants to have sex and in return she wants money. She goes out on the corner and does just that. Are you telling she’s not a ho?
What if a dude doesn’t keep a list of the women per se but a checkoff list containing the combinations of race, hair color, and body type he plans to hit in his lifetime?
do you possess such a checklist, kam??
That depends… what color is your hair?
“That depends… what color is your hair?”
LOL!
what if said list also includes approximations of length, girth, and tricks he can do with his tongue, in a color coded excel spread sheet?
what if said list also includes approximations of length, girth, and tricks he can do with his tongue, in a color coded excel spread sheet?
hofessional.
“hofessional”
LMAO. We are in the 21st century and better make sure your list is on a hard drive.
“hofessional.”
iDied.
so did i… choked on my sushi
“What if a dude doesn’t keep a list of the women per se but a checkoff list containing the combinations of race, hair color, and body type he plans to hit in his lifetime?”
I call that a ho-mentality.
Back in college, I knew a couple of guys who made bets on who can f*ck someone from each of the 50 states. I don’t think anybody won…but for some reason, I think that’s an interesting goal.
now that I think about it there are some acts that also “can” in certain situations be defined as a “hotivity”
s.e.x on tape ( only if said tape is released publicly)
multiple partner s.e.xespecially anthing that could be considered being “put on the house” “tag team” or a “train”
anal…(this iffy its not a general consensus but most of the time it holds true)
anytime spent as a stripper, prostitute or escort
Frequent use of Ronnie “ho quotes”
Dayum!!! how you gone moderate the word “h.o” in a post about whores?
now that I think about it there are some acts that also “can” in certain situations be defined as a “hotivity”
s.e. x on tape ( only if said tape is released publicly)
multiple partner s.e. x especially anthing that could be considered being “put on the house” “tag team” or a “train”
anal…(this iffy its not a general consensus but most of the time it holds true)
anytime spent as a stripper, prostitute or escort
Frequent use of Ronnie “h* quotes”especially if you use them as your signature on email or cell phone texts
so bc you have an a**hole ex that puts your tape/pictures or whatever out there that determines your ho-status?
so bc you have an a**hole ex that puts your tape/pictures or whatever out there that determines your ho-status?
honestly I was just joking with this list..but truthfully you will probably be judged as one, right or wrong.. see Kim Kardashian
got ya.
“an*l” is ho-like behavior?
damn, there goes my weekend foreplay
were you going to use the beads again? use lube with them this time and ….
strumpet! i thought i was the only one using that on a regular basis. VSB–spreading charli skipper approved retro-slang since…whenever.
I have another question: Does it matter whether the person is just a plain ho vs. clingy and misunderstood?
I have a girlfriend that has “known” every man within an 80 mile radius–seriously, we’ve had a moment where i was excited about a future date, only for her to tell me, “Keith? I “know” Keith!” AT LEAST twice. Which, considering that we don’t live in a village, is kind of remarkable-and disappointing-to me. But the point is that she is “damaged” from a recent (4 years ago) breakup, so she may or may not be a “ho”.
And is it wrong that I consider women who have that whole, “women should be able to screw whoever, just like a man,” agenda to be hoes? I mean, I’m an enlightened modern woman but I don’t wanna be acting like no man, chexwise.
I don’t know about any “agenda” and I think any sentence that ends with “just like a man” is stupid, but I think that deciding you want to screw who you want, when you want doesn’t make you a ho in the least. At least not automatically.
Okay not automatically. But I usually just assume for GP that said woman is less concerned with securing social equality for women and more concerned with defending some personal ho sh*t. Not that there’s anything wrong with that or is anybody’s business, really.
Agenda may have been the wrong word….Maybe not….
Nah, I feel you. That totally happens. We all know or have heard about people like that. I was just speaking personally, as a person who has no qualms whatsoever about deciding I want to sleep with someone and then doing it. Not on some “moving the movement” ish, but just because I’m a grownup and I can make grownup choices.
I agree, though that some people use the social equality as an excuse.
“But I usually just assume for GP that said woman is less concerned with securing social equality for women and more concerned with defending some personal ho sh*t.”
this sentence made me smile. i salute you.
I agree b/c I’ve seen women who smutted out men
I have another question: Does it matter whether the person is just a plain ho vs. clingy and misunderstood?
He.ll to the no
sometimes murder is understandable and even justifiable… is it still murder? yes the sentence is just different….
once you agree on a definition
if the actions fit
or better yet
walks like a duck
quacks like a duck?
probably bumpin in some orange sauce..
thats all I am saying
I have another question: Does it matter whether the person is just a plain ho vs. clingy and misunderstood?
He.ll to the no
sometimes murder is understandable and even justifiable… is it still murder
good point and sh*t
“Which, considering that we don’t live in a village, is kind of remarkable-and disappointing-to me. ”
This truly made me chuckle.
this is always hard to spell out clearly.
I do not think the number of people you slept with makes you a ho (or any derivative of the word).
I do not think that doing certain sexual acts makes you a ho.
I think it all comes down to the person’s mindset when they’re doing those things. Like if you’re letting the football team splack in your hair and call you names and video tape it for the guys who missed it because you want them to like you, well you might be a ho (albeit a sad one). Then again, maybe you just like group sex, talking dirty, and being on camera. I dunno. Who am I to judge?
I overheard a convo once where a couple was talking about some chick who had sex with 5 guys. she was 25. They were judging her something serious and basically called her a ho. I was sitting at the next table like “Really?” I point this out to show that what some people consider to be ho activity, others don’t. I certainly don’t think 5 at 25 is problematic. But I guess when you started makes a difference to some people. *shrug*
…I disagree…sorry even if you do it because you like it and go into it willingly.. you are going into being a h.o. willingly.. not twisting the definition and making it your own. There is no way to gain power in H.O. Dom.. I think thats part of the problem with our society now.. aint no pride in being a H.O…….LOL that should be a new PSA slogan
that was an extreme example, but I’m not going to judge someone else’s sexual preferences just because I’m not into that particular thing.
I agree lisa angela. People are just into sexual things that mainstream society doesnt understand, so they need to label them. What is wrong if your into group sex? As long as you are mentally fit to deal with those situations, then do you i say!
mainstream society doesnt understand
this is usually the excuse when a label fits.
but hey I am a prude and I have to live with that title..
its not an excuse, but a reality. Whether or not society should understand and condone it is up for debate. The fact that we are even having this debate demonstrates my point. Why does the sexual actions of grown individuals concern individuals who have no part in it? Maybe if we stopped being judgemental to those individuals, the rate of std infections would decrease. It did in europe! …
I definitely understand your position, and dont think anyone should force you to respect what you call a ‘hoe’. That is your right. But just as society accepts prudes, cant we also accept the ‘hoes’?
Maybe if it wasnt these people werent viewed so negatively, people would be more forthcoming with their past sexual behaviours. Pretending that theyre abnormal,sluts, evil, etc, wont make the problem of STDs or underage pregancies go away I think. Just means we hide it better, indulge in risque activities behind closed doors, while pointing our fingers at the ones who have the honesty to admit they love sex.
Not that it matters, but I dont think you are a prude, and definitely understand your position.
But just as society accepts prudes, cant we also accept the ‘hoes’?
Society accepts and condemns both
but
Pretending that theyre abnormal,sluts, evil, etc, wont make the problem of STDs or underage pregancies go away
I dont think we should paint it as evil or abnormal true
but glorification of sluttacious behavior plays a big part in the social issues plaguing our society as does not being opena and honest about s.e.x period.
I dont think we should be close minded and I dont feel that every one should be abstinent but I dont believe we should defend or glorify promiscuity.
I disagree w/ u hear ms shady lady. i dont feel that society is glorifying h.o. actions taken by women. The fact that there is such a stigma around these actions are part of the social issues that plague our society.
LOL the stigma is only attached in these type conversations when we get to the labels.. but in most general circumstances and conversations that shyt is acceptable. The label is not but the actions for sure are glorified
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Sorry to break it to you but being a whore hasn’t a dayum thing to do with catching an STD. You can learn that from the folks that catch STDs daily from their husbands and long term mates!
STDs is purely about WHO you sleep with, not how many. You can sleep with the same joker for 20 years and catch an STD. Trust, I know of 3 married folks that died from AIDS from their hubbies. I also know of people getting other (including incurable) STDs from long term mates..talking been together 7-8 years. If you’re screwing unprotected or even with a condom since they aren’t 100% effective you can always catch a std or get prego! Anyway, I digress.
The term “hoe” or whatever else you call it is sooo subjective. What is the magic number that makes someone a hoe..is it 5 partners, double digit partners, how many partners one has in a year, month, week? What if I sleep with 4 guys in one week and then get boo’d up with one and stay with him and only him for the next 10 years..am I whore now?
Unless someone is a virgin or has only slept with the person they are MARRIED to, they should never call someone a whore because its subjective. That woman that married her first boyfriend at 18 and has never been with another man in 30 years would probably call 90% of the people on this list whores lol..
You’re gonna hurt people’s feelings telling all this truth.
Aint No Pride In Being A H.O. should be a bumper sticker, a fridge magnet, a t-shirt, and possibly a collector’s edition mug.
A reformed ho maybe able to change their ways but it will take some time for them to change the perception of others about them. As in any life changing decision, it will take time before people begin to see you differently.
“Sexual addiction is a helluva drug!”
A reformed ho maybe able to change their ways but it will take some time for them to change the perception of others about them
honestly, the only way this can happen is if the person moves. i know of 60 year old women in my dad’s hometown (new castle, pa) who still have a rep over some stuff that happened 40 years ago, lol
honestly, the only way this can happen is if the person moves. i know of 60 year old women in my dad’s hometown (new castle, pa) who still have a rep over some stuff that happened 40 years ago, lol
LMAO yeah my granny’s beset friend is still known for her extremely wild antics .. apparently she refused to honor the Rosa parks strike cause she was on some h* shyt and refused to walk that far for some dyck but still had to have it.. LMAO
LMAO yeah my granny’s beset friend is still known for her extremely wild antics .. apparently she refused to honor the Rosa parks strike cause she was on some h* shyt and refused to walk that far for some dyck but still had to have it.. LMAO
Wow…just wow…LMAO
new castle pa. is a small border town. i once mentioned it when u joked about opening a chain of grocery stores in pa. i joked that i had already copyrighted the name of the grocery store chain and had expanded to Akron youngstown etc.
new castles’ a very small town where i know people. in scre scring.
small world.
DAYUM Moderation!!!!!
I am going to put it out on the table(no pun intended unless you knew me in college), I am a reformed ho. there is such a thing, but hey I believe in unicorns too, go figure. I was a sluttacious whore from 1997-2003 which would be college and a couple years after. I had no shame, few standards, and lots of hits (like a T-Pain album)
We know all the unforunate bad things that come out of ho-dom. (i was a safe ho fo sho, made it through with a clean bill of health) But the advantages of my past ho-dom:
- got that wild childness out of my system
- know exactly what I like sexually and not shy about it
- can spot a man-whore a mile away because I have been there done that ,got the wet tshirt…
“I am a reformed ho. there is such a thing.”
So in ho-hab, they taught yall that first step was admitting? Well glad to see you’re 5 yrs sober, NatAl! ‘Preciate ya.
So in ho-hab, they taught yall that first step was admitting? Well glad to see you’re 5 yrs sober, NatAl! ‘Preciate ya.
Luvvie you are a dayum fool… LMAO
“I was a sluttacious whore from 1997-2003 which would be college and a couple years after.”
Alise…can you bring greater level of detail besides something bout some love of unicorns and your hoe down hindsight…numbers, best locale …put it in a sonnet whatever make it good.
things that made me a sluttacious whore:
- no discretion for degrees of seperation of partners: “Oh that’s your roommate/cousin/friend/spades partner? Oh well…”
- went out with the specific intent of getting sex: “Girrrrrrrrl, let’s hit the club/bbq/set/bar/spades night , I am trying to get me some tonight.” (by the way i was not alone, we travelled in packs, and i was the more modest of the crew, da*n)
- looked at sexual patners as conquests and nothing more.
- forgot more than my fair share of names, i am talking like within a week or two
those are a few……. is that better Comeback Girl? lol
that’ll do..pardon my curiosity…i mean you just can’t drop a “GAP BAND” sluttatious bomb on me..and then not give me a painted picture.
namaste to you and the unicorns
i truthfully do not know the # eactly, and that right there says a lot., but let me try an equation that may lead to the apporximate college number.
[2 x(months in a semester x 4 ) + (average of 2 summertime jumpoffs) + hoecoming* + Eagle/Aggie classic + CIAA] x 4 years
I am going to bed……. will come to check in on the judgement and disdain tomorrow! Peace. Goodwill towards women. I’ll holla!
*not a typo
“will come to check in on the judgement and disdain tomorrow”
you won’t get none from me…everybody’s got their something-most wont tell there;s is all.
and thats not you anymore on top of which your rooter to the tooter is a ok. the upside is you prolly know how to twirk it good (wtf did i just write lol)
“Goodwill towards women. I’ll holla!”
YAYA!!!!
“you won’t get none from me…everybody’s got their something-most wont tell there;s is all.”
Same here. No judgments Home Edition.
no judgements over here, coming from someone who used to run through the same events, hoecoming, eagle/aggie and the CIAAs.
GO EAGLES!!!!!!! eagle pride eagle pride! oh, this isnt the forum for that. sorry. please continue…
“went out with the specific intent of getting sex: “Girrrrrrrrl, let’s hit the club/bbq/set/bar/spades night , I am trying to get me some tonight.” (by the way i was not alone, we travelled in packs, and i was the more modest of the crew, da*n)
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this is the scariest thing you wrote. So ni99as haven’t been crazy all these years when they say, if one chick in the crew is a slide, they all slides?
naw, that aint exactly true, I am just saying when h0-sh*t was on the agenda i brought the likeminded crew, couldn’t have all that pesky judgement and common sense hampering my nights of debauchery.
this is the scariest thing you wrote. So ni99as haven’t been crazy all these years when they say, if one chick in the crew is a slide, they all slides?
if theyre between 18-25, this is true at least 72 percent of the time
“went out with the specific intent of getting sex: “Girrrrrrrrl, let’s hit the club/bbq/set/bar/spades night , I am trying to get me some tonight.” (by the way i was not alone, we travelled in packs, and i was the more modest of the crew, da*n)”
this is what is referred to as “Being on the H* Stroll”
loving Home Edition by the way….
and no judgement from this one either…. judge not lest ye be judged
“judge not lest ye be judged”
**chanting**
AMEN, AMEN, AAAMEN
lol @ home edition–i’m loving the variations.
am going to put it out on the table(no pun intended unless you knew me in college), I am a reformed ho. there is such a thing, but hey I believe in unicorns too, go figure. I was a sluttacious whore from 1997-2003 which would be college and a couple years after. I had no shame, few standards, and lots of hits (like a T-Pain album
Gone then NA.. way to step up
see this is what I am talking about. You did it own up to it and move past it being defensive to me indicates you have not yet relinquished your hotendencies….
::applause::
for Naturally Alise.
I think we were kickin’ it (read:doing h*e ish), for about the same number of years…lol
thanks for your honestly and forthcomingness.
plus, info like this helps me with the seating arrangements at the vsb bbq
it bothers me that the vsb bbq gotta b so bougie that there is a seating arrangement and sh*t
i was thinking that too….
it bothers me that the vsb bbq gotta b so bougie that there is a seating arrangement and sh*t
blame this on liz. liz is the bougie one in the crew. in fact, “liz” is arabic for “siddity”
blame this on liz. liz is the bougie one in the crew. in fact, “liz” is arabic for “siddity”
since this was funny i won’t use my language skills to discount the comment;)
LMAO, i was just telling my friend i have never heard a non-black person use siddity. i have even heard high sidditty.
i have been called high siddity…. *sad face*
“I had no shame, few standards, and lots of hits (like a T-Pain album)”
This made me laugh.
lastly, should any of this even matter? as long as consenting adults are mutually partaking in this behavior, why should anyone even care how many hundreds of thousands of consenting adults a person has practiced this behavior with?
generally i try to be non-judgmental about ppl’s personal/intimate choices. so i want to say it doesn’t/shouldn’t matter what other people do in behind closed doors, on kitchen tables, against refrigerators, in whirpools, on car hoods, etc–that’s they business. however, when i do hear about the details of ho-ish extracurricular activities, it causes me to pause and give a side eye. admittedly, i can be a bit prude at times and i’d just rather not know about ppl’s indiscriminate boning. with diseases and unwanted pregnancies running rampant, it just seems unwise to not exercise more s3xual discretion.
i skimmed through this and thought you said “in refrigerators”, lol. i dont know how much fun that would be
everybody has their kinky preferences. against, in, on, next to–to each his own.
@ Champ, in order for it to be fun you woudl have to take everything out and honestly that just doesnt make it spontaneous anymore
I would say a ho is someone who f*cks freely random people he/she doesn’t know jack sh*t about.
In other words, if you take a guy/girl home every weekend from the club and bang without knowing their name, then you, my friend, are a ho.
Excellent summary. I need to print that up on fortune cookie slips to pass out to the community.
I would say a ho is someone who f*cks freely random people he/she doesn’t know jack sh*t about.
In other words, if you take a guy/girl home every weekend from the club and bang without knowing their name, then you, my friend, are a ho.
LMAO short and sweet huh?
Banging out without knowing their last name, very common
There r girls I been dealing w/ for years and I dont know there last name….
There r girls I been dealing w/ for years and I dont know there last name….
why not?
Nobody knows……
Nobody knows……
lol at the thought of peyso boning countless women without names on their birth certificates
“Nobody knows……
lol at the thought of peyso boning countless women without names on their birth certificates”
LMAO! I am happy I came back to work . . . this is HILARIOUS. . . nobody knows .. . I am DYING over here
People of VSB let’s stop being PC a moment. It doesn’t take a scientist to understand what a whore is. Superhead is a whore. Kim Kardasian is a whore. Paris Hilton is a Whore. Most of the NFL and NBA plays are whores…You get the picture right. Okay good…
Anyway my definition of a whore is a sexually undisciplined individual. This person lets anything and everything inside of them (or for men they screw anything that breaths oxygen). Whores usually have no standards, low self esteem, and they fail to take the time to vet the individual they plan to be sexually involved with. Sadly people are so delusional that they believe being a cum deposit is actually liberating. Honestly if you can’t remember the names of your sexual partners, there is a high probability that you are a whore. Sadly even nice girls can be whores too. Not every guy you date should be allowed to bust a nut inside of you. I mean come on. It’s pretty foul in my opinion (and no I’m not a sexual prude but damn sometimes it’s cool to just chill the hell out and not sex up everyone you date). An occasional freaky encounter doesn’t make someone a whore but if someone constantly hooks up with strangers then well you just might be a whore.
Oh and if you fuck someone for monetary gain…well you are a whore. That means you gold diggers LOL.
Wait wait wait. I’ve had this discussion with a few other people, and I just want to clarify, what makes Kim Kardashian a whore?
I was thinking this too when I read it. i’d say she doesnt pick the best partners for on screen video time — but according to gossip blogs she stays in long term monogamous relationships. that be the opposite of the lecture at hand, right?
I was going to ask the exact same question, Dorian. I always hear women call KK a “garden tool”, but I don’t see why. What has she done that any other woman in love with her boyfriend hasn’t done…it just got out to the public.
I don’t think Kim Kardashian a whore…I think Ray J is an a**hole to say the least and what he did by putting that tape out was very low. I think that Kim got labeled unfairly because of something she did with a man who was her SO at the time.
Her boyfriend, Reggie Bush is though…lmao!
poor Reg from the ‘nina’. he was whorish even back in high school. he can’t help it.
I dont think Kim is a whore.. ray j definitely is but I think she agreed to put the tape out.. for whatever reason…..
I don’t think she’s a h* e either. I THINK people are quick to throw the label on her because she’s pretty…..and has black boyfriends. hehehe.
No but seriously, I really don’t understand the hostility towards her. Now Superhead is DEF. a whore, slut, slore and whatever else name you can come up with.
I approve this entire message.
I think a lot of women just hate on Kim with no valid reason. Beyonce falls into this category also unfortunately.
“Superhead is a whore. Kim Kardasian is a whore. Paris Hilton is a Whore. Most of the NFL and NBA plays are whores…You get the picture right. Okay good…”
well I like Karrine and I like Kim (even as their lists um intersect at times lol). I find it puzzling though that we as women can name off the bat ho!es that will go down in the hoe down hall of fame.
but…we speak in generalities when it comes to men..most people can only name that guy that played basketball (whats his name).
I do understand that women should have higher standards, and while I don’t consider myself a past or present hoe. I have made one or two ho-ish decisions in my day..fortunately or unforunately… most of us don’t get book deals and reality shows to make some lemonade out of shyt.
This could be because we have higher expectations for women than men.
“well I like Karrine..”
Why? And I’m sincerely asking, not being snarky.
“Why? And I’m sincerely asking, not being snarky”
there are actually alot of reasons, namely I’ve never been a bandwagon person so when someone is being demonized, i wanna find out why and then form my own conclusions. On top of which, i have a soft spot for comebacks. She used the industry, just as it used her to carve out her own little empire. It speaks to the possibilities and her own search for redemption.
I’ve also happened accidently upon a little bookstore she was speaking at. And I was impressed at her hutzpah. Honestly I dont think she;s really ready to start counseling women on being in solid relationships. But she has a story to tell about fyck ups, do-overs, and her little lemonade stand and i respect that.
and like i told Alise everybody’s got their something (wk cite N. Costa), some people disclose while other people get amnesia.
Yeah but she clearly had esteem issues. This is my point. For many women, they don’t just grow up in a loving two parent home where everything is hunky dory then wanna engage in hotivity on some howe-hum shyt. For supahead to say she had to go down on a guy until her nose bled, THAT is beyond howetovity. This is abuse and should not be glorified.
And what do we say about the woman who did grow up in a loving two family home and is still a shmeeze?
lol peyso, i am not saying there is a fool proof way to avoid birthing and raising a child only for them to major in howetology. all i am saying is that the chances of your daughter not giving a guy head until her nose bleeds are higher if she h as two parents who love her, a FATHER who schools her but also loves her unconditionally, and other developmental shyt.
“lol peyso, i am not saying there is a fool proof way to avoid birthing and raising a child only for them to major in howetology. all i am saying is that the chances of your daughter not giving a guy head until her nose bleeds are higher if she h as two parents who love her, a FATHER who schools her but also loves her unconditionally, and other developmental shyt.”
i would tend to agree with parts of this. Fathers and Mothers are an ideal part of a home. But a woman doesn’t JUST get an indication of how to love and be loved by her daddy’s own unconditional love. I think it also revolves around how that mother and father unit functions as the expression of “romantic love”.
Some of Karrine’s tragedy had MUCH more to do with the way her own mother saw herself. A father’s mere presence and “love” does not guarantee that she won’t be writing “video vixen tell alls”.
there’s alot of things that fyck women children up, lack of a father is ONLY one. The combination of lack of a mother, father, frames of reference for relationships etc…does the trick much quicker.
i just wanna know what we gonna call the person who grows up the “right” way and still acts like a h.o. is he/she still a h.o.? or will think of excuses for them too?
there’s alot of things that fyck women children up, lack of a father is ONLY one. The combination of lack of a mother, father, frames of reference for relationships etc…does the trick much quicker.
this is why i also included “other developmental shyt”.
But why do people say it is glorified?? What can it be construed as a warning tale?
People are so quick to judge without even listening, especially our own brethren. I heard talk on her (then) boyfriend’s show and she had something to say. When the male rappers use that industry we call it “freedom of speech, art”, when it’s a woman taking advantage of her misfortunes in that same environment, she’s labeled a ho?
That particular story always riles me up.
That’s why at the end of her book she went back to f*cking random people (like Usher) after she said she was done with all that?
My friend, she needs Jesus.
@ over it and chaotic
im not disputing the fact that the woman is flawed. hell im supposed to be on a diet and i ate a cupcake two days ago.
hip hop made her…so why does she have to go to the cross alone to atone for every single one of its social ills.
not fair.
I think she woulda been a shmeeze w/ or w/o hip hop
CG, trust i thought they was all nasty, but i was not surprised that what they glorify in the music is lived out before and after the video shoot.
lmao @ “hell im supposed to be on a diet and i ate a cupcake two days ago.”
girrrrl let’s not even talk about not sticking to diet plans. *smh*
Again, I reiterate my faith in the Divine SisterHood.
I heart both Kim and Karrine. And I am tired of women calling other women the same names they complain about constantly.
“I heart both Kim and Karrine. And I am tired of women calling other women the same names they complain about constantly”
i just wanna marinate all up in this message days upon days on end.
“nice girls can be whores too”
definite t-shirt
“nice girls can be whores too”
LOL true and thats often why they are whores.. ..being way to nice and giving
If you repeatedly engage in non-exclusive sexual relationships/episodes, you are a ho.
darn it.
*books first class ticket with “hard earned money” to swiss nunnery in the alps in hope of redemption*
wait. . . before you leave, I want to know about the money that wasn’t hard earned
I hate the whole I dont want to judge.. I dont think its judging. personal responsibility requires that you take responsibility for your actions. if you choose to not use discretion and participate in h-o-tivities you cant get all defensive when the topic comes up. I dont think we should condone it. Have I done some random f*cking in my past, yes? if I have to deal with the h.o label because of it guess what? that goes with the territory of random f$ckery…..
so if you are 28 and have you have had s.e.x with 40 guys.. I dont care how you add it up
the math on that one equals h.o
if you ever f.cked for money, food, cafeteria bucks, free entrance into all the good parties, a parking spot, job, free cheese onyour krystals (.20 per burger?) an upsize, a car, a ring, to make a dude love you, rent, so you wont get put out, cause you didnt make pay out, cause you wanted to go eat filet mignon, for a refinance, down payment etc.
you are probably or have been at some point a h.o… or participating in a h.otivity
calling a spade a spade (read: ho) is one thing. you are what you are, and perhaps what you eat? and i agree with you, judging behaviors is acceptable, esp if you find the behavior unacceptable and irresponsible. but judging the whole person based on their sexcapades is another situation, which i try to avoid. being a ho doesn’t necessarily explain all there is to know about a person. find out other facts about the ho and THEN judge. he steals too?? klepto ho. she’s gay?? lesbo ho. stank personality with a face to match?? ugmo ho. i’m just advocating for well informed, equal opportunity judging, that’s all.
but judging the whole person based on their sexcapades is another situation, which i try to avoid
I feel you on that and I agree totally, you cant or shouldnt define anyone based solely upon their s.e.xual behavior
Yeah I agree because what is a whorish sexual act to one person is just good kinky fun to another. And so that is unfair to call a man or woman a whore because they enjoy something that you don’t.
“he steals too?? klepto ho. she’s gay?? lesbo ho. stank personality with a face to match?? ugmo ho. “
Hilarious! I almost interrupted naptime up in this piece!! ROTFLMAO!!
don’t wake ‘em up now LOL. kids – naptime = cranky whiners
“if you ever f.cked for money, food, cafeteria bucks, free entrance into all the good parties, a parking spot, job, free cheese onyour krystals (.20 per burger?) an upsize, a car, a ring, to make a dude love you, rent, so you wont get put out, cause you didnt make pay out, cause you wanted to go eat filet mignon, for a refinance, down payment etc”
Please let me know where the ones fukken for parking spots are . . . I got a REAL good one outside that im vacating in approximately 28 minutes.
CTFU!!!!
It’s more than just talking about the number of partners that a person has been with. To me, it’s also the way a person carries themselves. I think of someone who has a very low self-esteem and little to no standards when it comes to who they sleep with. I also think that it’s a cultural thing because in Europe, it’s a lot more accepted for women to have multiple partners and sleep with men on the first date without being labeled a ho or slut.
i agree leila! well put! definitely a cultural thing. In scandinavia, there are billboards of porn in your supermarkets lol, and yet their under age pregnancy rates are next to nonexistent. Its because they have decided long time ago to act like adults, respect people for their lifestyle choices, and not feel the need to label anything they dont understand. If you feel you do not respect or understand individuals with adventurous sexual resumes, then you have the choice to not be with said person, but why feel the need to degrade the person?
but to be fair to the other side, I also think people who engage in acts that would be frowned upon by society should let potential mates know in the beginning what theyre all about!
Yes. This is one of my frustrations with how our society is structured. I was just venting to a friend about this the other night. Mixed messages: Be a howe, but don’t. Sleep around, but if you get found out, yous a howe.Luda is a great example (God hates him) Mr. “Lady in the streets but a freak in the bed”, doesn’t even apply to a man you are in a relationship with. Random hookups, and all sorts of shenanigans are encouraged, but then looked down upon. Howes are getting hoodwinked and bamboozled left and right.
A lot of men also were born without the “that ain’t right” step in the thought process and don’t develop souls until they decide they want to settle down. They see a girl with esteem issues, “bag” her, (wtf is this Trader Joe’s?) and then drop her. One thing my dad always told me was never expect a guy to look out for me in that sense, that he will take what he can get, and to give only what I could take. This was one of the best pieces of advice, ladies don’t realize he can’t change you, you can’t change him, he can’t be your therapist and shyt. Protect yourself. Trust me, they won’t stick around (seriously no pun intended, what is with this site and puns?) if you stand your ground.
Howes are getting hoodwinked and bamboozled left and right.
LMAO talk about a bumper sticker!!!
“One thing my dad always told me was never expect a guy to look out for me in that sense, that he will take what he can get, and to give only what I could take”
this is gospel..ive heard some variation of this too..most of my life.
“A lot of men also were born without the “that ain’t right” step in the thought process and don’t develop souls until they decide they want to settle down”
this is deep too.
overits’ father told her:
“…never expect a guy to look out for me in that sense, that he will take what he can get, and to give only what I could take.”
welcome to life. welcome to animal planet!
the difference between a player and a mack is a player gets what she can a mack gets what he wants.
the difference between a player and a mack is a player gets what she can a mack gets what he wants.
thanks, tariq nasheed
thanks, tariq nasheed
lmao.
Tariq Nasheed? not.
hood heffner? yeeeeessss.
It is definitely about more than numbers.
It is about what you will accept (standards anyone?), how many offers you turn down vs. those you accept, etc.
It’s easy to call a woman or a man out but if we don’t know the back story we can’t really say much.
Champ, you almost got us on this one: “you’re a ho if the # of your sex partners exceeds the # of your friends.”
Hah! Bet you think yo clever azz is exempt! Your 1,999 MySpace, Facebook, and VSB friends you’ve never actually met don’t count.
***burrowing head in sand***
the word wh*re originally referred to a woman who was promiscuous for money. in my opinion, as long as a person is having responsible safe $ex and not getting currency/travellers checks/metrocards home in exchange for giving up the goodies, it’s really none of my business to classify them as a h*. if they fall outside of this categorisation, then it may be something psychological or emotional that’s affecting them, rather than just straight nymphomania. or maybe that’s also psychological. pardon me, i’ve been reading too much freud. i’m not being a wet blanket/throw/cashmere wrap, i just think unless i was sensually seduced by such a person, classifying them either which ways without knowing the full deal is kind of judgmental.
and i second the opinion that man h*s are treated completely different to women, and that’s problematic.
I think there should be repercussions for s.e.xual permissiveness. As an adult you get to make the decision to do whatever you want with your body. However i dont think society as a whole should adopt the “its okay do what you like” attitude. He.ll we can see the effects of that shyt now with video VIXENS (see Monk I kept my word and in a post about h.o.es.) are being outsourced by straight h.o.e.s like for real, and more and more young girls are running around having s.e.x at 11 and 12 years old running around looking like they selling a$$..and no man or woman wants their daughter to grow up and be THAT chick….
Shyt happens so we dont need to stone chicks and comeon like I said I am sure most people have participated in some h.o tivities but we all recognize that that aint the way it SHOULD be…
“and more and more young girls are running around having s.e.x at 11 and 12 years old running around looking like they selling a$$..and no man or woman wants their daughter to grow up and be THAT chick….”
Of course if parents are waiting on the TV to raise their children, then sure Video Vixens are the worst thing to come to pass in our world…
Our responsibility should start in raising our kids… not trying to raise society.
Our responsibility should start in raising our kids… not trying to raise society.
our job should be trying to raise our children and society should reflect the values we want instilled other wise youd have to raise your child in a cave with little to no contact with the outside world for fear of having all of your good moral teaching offset by a society that makes everything you preached against ok.
i agree with everything you said here Shay-d, I think that from the beginning we need to teach kids to respect themselves and respect what’s natural. S*x is natural… and kids experimenting s*xually may be natural to – cause it happens so much. Instead of dgrading them or trying to put them in a box, we as adults and parents should try to offer the best love support , guidance (and birth control) that we can.
Why should there be repercussions? It seems to me that you want everyone to adopt your train of thought. And if they dont adopt it they’re wrong.
On another note, why am I only motviated to comment after you shady lady?
Peyso, do you have children, specifically a daughter? If not, you might not understand the messages sent to little girls out there. Its fine for people to do what they want to do, but there are repercussions aside from the major ones like stds. There are smaller, silent consequences that might mie dormant and rear its head when you’re 40 and alone.
That kind of lifestyle is not a sustainable one. It gets old as a dude mentioned above, but by the time it does, it might be too late in a lot of ways. My little cousin is in 6th grade, I’ve watched her grow up and she is extremely bright and well adjusted, she knows right from wrong. I appreciate her and how she is turning out. What I did not appreciate, was her telling me that some of her classmates have had sex already, she asked me what it means to “go down” on someone. W.T.F. Does anyone dare tell me they wouldn’t be mad if their little girl OR boy asked them that? There is a time and place to learn that mess. Home economics class is not one of them.
I wouldn’t be mad cause that’s a real question and it’s better that she asked you then went to the street for the answer. If she’s in 6th grade then she’s about 12 – she may get a period soon and start feeling some kinda way. What she needs is guidance and honesty. not anger and judgement – that will just turn her away. This is just my opinion tho..
pgh muse, i was angry because clearly those other girls are not being guided. my cousin will not have those issues, trust. my family is extremely open and honest about those things and i go out of my way to spend time with her and let her know she can talk to me if she feels she can’t talk to her mom. this is not my point. getting your period and going down on a guy are not the same. getting a period is a biological happening you cannot escape as a woman. who is to say when going down on a guy should be introduced to a pre-teen? i am not mad at her, and i should have made it clearer, i am mad that little girls are engaging in that behavior at that age. wtf ever happened to girl scouts?
getting your period and going down on a guy are not the same. getting a period is a biological happening you cannot escape as a woman. who is to say when going down on a guy should be introduced to a pre-teen?
Overit –
Hey girl. I’m going to choose my words carefully cause I don’t want to offend you… and I have 2 children so i think about ish like this. But i said she’s getting her period because I want you to think about biology… she may start having sexual urges and may soon want to start experimenting with k*ssing or something. I’m NOT saying that she should be going down but kids don’t live in a bubble and she’s at that age where this stuff starts. When i was 12 I remember little boys tryna feel my booty and run adn stuff like that. talking about oral sex isn’t that far away. that’s all I’m saying. It’s better that she have levelheaded reality based guidance. 12 year old girls do basketball, girl scouts and all that… but knowledge is power and she is blossoming.
“wtf ever happened to girl scouts?”
8th Wonder was a girl scout. Then her troop went camping. After said camping trip, 8th Wonder quit.
8th Wonder doesn’t do woods.
pgh muse, thanks i hear you and i appreciate the advice. trust me, im on it:) i think sexual curiosity is all good and natural, i just want her to be fully informed and ready..and a decade older but i wont hold my breath lol. i’m just keeping it real!
thanks though, i hear ya:)
i was a girl scout too, 8th. we don’t have lots of woodsy areas in SD so we did a lot of desert camping–that was great. i can deal with scorpions. but bugs?? they gimme the heebie jeebies i tell ya.
I dont have children but I do have a sister. When I say there shouldnt be repercussions, I mean for adults. If i catch my sister or my future daughter, she gonna wish I didnt.
Agreed, I just know from my observations that little sisters and little daughters usually turn into adults who make bad choices too. This is MY observation and not painting all cases with the same brush.
Adults should and will make their own beds, and lie in it. This does not change the fact that there is such a thing as howetivity.
O there is but I’m just sayin that we shouldnt be imposing our feelings onto others. So what if so and so is howe. That doesnt mean we should treat that person worse than we treat every other person. For all this demonizing we do of howes, one would think that we would demonize liars and thieves and ppl who commit crimes which weigh much more on society
there is but I’m just sayin that we shouldnt be imposing our feelings onto others. So what if so and so is howe. That doesnt mean we should treat that person worse than we treat every other person. For all this demonizing we do of howes, one would think that we would demonize liars and thieves and ppl who commit crimes which weigh much more on society
what does one have to do with the other. they arent mutually exclusive.
also peyso, even there there might be the howe label, if you were NOT engaging in that behavior you got overlooked often. it always seemed that at least from 18-24 that if you werent willing to do anything, nobody was trying to holla. it wasnt about when you were comfortable, and if you werent you got the peace sign cause there was a girl willing to do what you weren’t.
getting looked over cause you’re not putting out is obnoxious too, especially when they stick around thinking they will, then realize you are not playing.
and i am all ready to demonize liars, thieves and people who commit serious crimes when that post comes:)
getting looked over cause you’re not putting out is obnoxious too, especially when they stick around thinking they will, then realize you are not playing.
cosign…
Why should there be repercussions? It seems to me that you want everyone to adopt your train of thought. And if they dont adopt it they’re wrong.
No not really, I have my definition and thats mine you dont have to agree with it but when it comes to society I dont beleive society benefits from a “free love” philosphy or one that treats s.e.x like a dirty little secret. I am against extreme behaviors on either end of the spectrum. H.odom is extreme s.e.xual behavior and I think that we should all strive to fall somewhere in the middle. S.e.x is something that when done right can be something magical and when done wrong can leave you broken and f*cked up. Because of that my belief is that while I dont knock you for doing you, and if you like it I love it and wont stop being your friend or throw it up in your face, I wont teach my daughter the same behavior.
On another note, why am I only motviated to comment after you shady lady?
LMAO because I am inspirational, of course…
“and more and more young girls are running around having s.e.x at 11 and 12 years old running around looking like they selling a$$..and no man or woman wants their daughter to grow up and be THAT chick….”
actually though, kids are having less sex. or, more specifically, less kids are having sex. both teen pregnancy and abortion rates have been going down for some time now.
actually though, kids are having less sex. or, more specifically, less kids are having sex. both teen pregnancy and abortion rates have been going down for some time now.
they are having the same s.e.x.. just now you have way more 11 and 12 year old girls on birth control…..because the STD rates are still pretty high for kids under the age of 18
they are having the same s.e.x.. just now you have way more 11 and 12 year old girls on birth control…..because the STD rates are still pretty high for kids under the age of 18
nah. if you look at the nation-wide numbers, the actual reality is much different than our perception. every sexual stat, from preggoness to average age of losing virginity is changing in a positive manner.
like, for instance, i serve on this sex education/pregnancy prevention board in allegheny county, and the actual statistics i’ve found out are surprising.
for instance…what percentage of high school students (nationwide) would you guess were sexually active?
for instance…what percentage of high school students (nationwide) would you guess were sexually active?
I would guess about 30-40 percent nationwide, but that the percentages are higher in the inner city and lower economic areas.. I volunteer too!
Thanks Shay-d for the self censorship.
“i’m not being a wet blanket/throw/cashmere wrap”
PLEASE don’t get the cashmere wet…it shrinks like that. dryclean it in the name of dust ruffles.
Another side note, I found that the women who clowned other women for being ho’s were the same chicks I would pass in the men’s dorm halls at 3am sneakng out, projection is a bytch, “ol’ defense mechanism looking gals” ….. now i am going to bed for real…
Amen!!
Usually people with a judgemental attitude are often a bit repressed and most of the time sexually challenged…
Besides, what do I care if s/he is a hoe? As long as, I take care of mine?
The type I don’t like though? Attention whores.
Worst.breed.of.hoes.ever!
the word wh*re originally referred to a woman who was promiscuous for money. in my opinion, as long as a person is having responsible safe $ex and not getting currency/travellers checks/metrocards home in exchange for giving up the goodies, it’s really none of my business to classify them as a h*. if they fall outside of this categorisation, then it may be something psychological or emotional that’s affecting them, rather than just straight nymphomania. or maybe that’s also psychological. pardon me, i’ve been reading too much freud. i’m not being a wet blanket/throw/cashmere wrap, i just think unless i was sensually seduced by such a person, classifying them either which ways without knowing the full deal is kind of judgmental.
and i second the opinion that man h*s are treated completely different to women, and that’s problematic.
The double standard is wack at best, but do we really want to engage in the same behavior as man wh*es? Why is that brought up all the time? Men are allowed to act a certain way and when they are done “sewing their wild oats” they will NOT be encouraged to wife a howe. That is life, its not fair. This is coming from me, a girl who was sandwiched between 4 boys growing up so the double standard was a major part of my campaign platform. You learn to get over it and are better off for it in the end.
I do not fully agree with the original meaning of the word. Just cause you ain’t getting money, does not mean you are not dehumanizing yourself. So many poverty stricken women around the world are forced into sexual slavery and I would never put a price on their health, self image, esteem and dignity. I cannot imagine a woman would choose to be a hofessional given real options. Whether you get money or not, it is no consolation for stds, unwanted pregnancies, and possibly sleeping alone at night feeling like a thousand pounds of rat feces.
The double standard is wack at best, but do we really want to engage in the same behavior as man wh*es? Why is that brought up all the time? Men are allowed to act a certain way and when they are done “sewing their wild oats” they will NOT be encouraged to wife a howe. That is life, its not fair. This is coming from me, a girl who was sandwiched between 4 boys growing up so the double standard was a major part of my campaign platform. You learn to get over it and are better off for it in the end.
i approve of this paragraph and sh*t
i approve of this paragraph and sh*t
thanks and sh*t
“The double standard is wack at best, but do we really want to engage in the same behavior as man wh*es? Why is that brought up all the time? Men are allowed to act a certain way and when they are done “sewing their wild oats” they will NOT be encouraged to wife a howe. That is life, its not fair. This is coming from me, a girl who was sandwiched between 4 boys growing up so the double standard was a major part of my campaign platform. You learn to get over it and are better off for it in the end.”
Ahh. . . lots of things are not fair. . .women always talk about male privelege but if we go to the store and buy an @ssload of groceries and you carrying them all by yourself. . . im gonna be a jerk . . . if you slap me and I reach back and knock ur @ss out cold . . . . im gonna be wrong. . . reverse those roles between man and women and no one would bat an eyelash at it. Maybe you enlightened folk will . . .but we are talking society here.
There are all kinds of roles that women talk about being unfair all the time. . .same exists for men . . . we just normally do what is expected (well I do anyway, cant speak for all these ninjas with no home training). Just take the L and don’t be a c*mdumpster . . . I’m just saying.
good morning vsb people..
now let’s see hoe vs non hoe
I do believe we as women don’t have 2 be a hoe 2 hoe-like tendencies.
I’m sure all grown ups have done something smutty in their existence that they’d rather not have repeated 2 their parents.
I know I have.
I’ll be back I’m going back 2 sleep 2 ponder this some more
welcome and sh*t (i think)
I know a woman who has had few partners in her life but who has also done some very trife crap that I, a person who has had more partners than her, would never do.
Which one of us is the ho?
The one who can count her mens on one hand and a finger but who would wait to get chose by one of the said dudes, while he sat chatting up two other chicks, then blew him in a parking lot only to be dropped off a block from her home? Or the chick who has attempted to have 3 one night stands (I say attempted because, in each case we ended up talking after, clicked and wound up dating for more than a year. I was engaged to of these men) and who needs both hands and a foot to count up her partners?
I also know another woman who is currently sleeping with three different men at once. Has been doing so for years. She too has only had a ‘few’ partners.
Who is the ho? The girl who can easily bang 3 men in a week and a half, though she’s been with less than 10 men or the chick – me – who, has had more than 10 lovers, can’t bring herself to ‘love’ more than one at a time?
The numbers game can be tricky and deceiving. If you must apply the label – and I’m not sure why we must – there has to be a better methodology.
Which one of us is the ho?
why not both?
Why either?
Most sexually active people have something in their background that a more reserved/conservative person would deem unsavory, i.e. ho-ish.
more reserved/conservative person would deem unsavory, i.e. ho-ish.
I think most people would call kinky acts performed in a relationship Freaks, not h.o.es….The title of h.o is given when said acts are performedd indiscriminately
Thats a good question. Personally, I would have to say the one who sleeps with multiple men on a regular basis. But maybe thats just because I can identify with your situation more.
That’s it isn’t it though? When we’re trying to come up with our own personal definitions of a ho, we try to exclude any of the behavior we may have engaged in. We all tend to personalize the issue in an attempt to make ourselves feel better about not being entirely pure.
“who is the ho?”
am i the only one who thinks this would make a great game show?
“who is the ho?”
am i the only one who thinks this would make a great game show?
hurry up and pitch it to Vh1 before someone else does.
I’d watch it.
Can I be a judge?
A ho to me is somebody doing something (anything, it doesn’t even have to be sexual) because s/he thinks and/or believes it will make him/her more attractive/interesting/fun to other people.
Now that’s a hoe.
Someone who’s doing something for fun with their own conviction and to explore? That’s a grown up making their own choices.
agreed.
“Someone who’s doing something for fun with their own conviction and to explore? That’s a grown up making their own choices.”
So if your best friend slept with your man because
she wanted to do something fun and explore his body, you wouldn’t labler her a ho?
good point
I would label her “stank b!tch who needs her a$$ kicked”
In addition, a ho can be not knowing your baby daddy. We are not animals. Leatherback turtles do not know who impregnated them. If you don’t know your baby’s father, you are trife, I don’t care. The Maury Show stage is the headquarters of howedom.
I agree fully with this. The woman who I mentioned in a post below, on the surface in ‘not’ a ho cuz she’s only had 5 men. BUT she’s sleeping with 3 dudes at once at got pregnant. Didn’t know who the father was.
So…yeah.
I agree V.E.G. That is howe pathology.
number is not an absolute .. h-e-ll my number is closer to 5 than 10 but like I said before… I racked most of them up in a very short time period.. …h.o shyt is h.o shyt….on and below the surface
“In addition, a ho can be not knowing your baby daddy. ”
And this is primarily one of the reasons that I think woman are able to be labeled as h*es more easily than men…..because we have the ability to become pregnant. I believe this is the reason that many double standards exist.
Thanks, V Renee. What you stated here is what I meant when I posted this:
“Women always give up more. And before society started labeling, judging and legislating s3xuality, we gave up more simply do to our physiological make-up. We literally are impaled by the will of men and then end up spilling our guts behind it.”
co-sign
she would get ‘touched in the head’– tiger crane style
I would label her “stank b!tch who needs her a$$ kicked”
LMAO me too. v.e.g and also? a h.o
Then we’ll have to redefine the term “best friend” and “my man”…
It’s that simple. Labeling her or him a hoe won’t make what happened disappear. It’s that simple.
“Someone who’s doing something for fun with their own conviction and to explore? That’s a grown up making their own choices.”
A grown up hoe . . . LoL . . jk
It is, I think, perfectly okay to meet someone and want to express yourself physically with them right away.
I do not, however, think this should be your pattern of behavior with every single person you meet. Doesn’t matter if you are male or female. Every individual you run across is not of the “I need to get some of this right now” variety.
Every individual you run across is not of the “I need to get some of this right now” variety.
unless its the champ, of course
Every individual you run across is not of the “I need to get some of this right now” variety.
unless its the champ, of course
I just had a vision of woman who kept running into Champ wherever she turned, it made me laugh alot.
I don’t know about all this.
Unless it is directly effecting me & mine, I like to stay out of other folks’ business. And I definitely require that folks stay out of my grown-azz business.
With that being said, in my mind, Howe-dom has more to do with quality than quantity. I have a bigger problem with a dude/chick knowingly effin’ a married person for a year than I do with that dude/chick effin’ 8 people in that same 12 month time span.
But that’s only in my mind. In the real world, who gives a fluck?
i like this definition…
but like the person who’s sexin the married person is a ho? y not the married person sexin the single person be a ho? they’re the one with the commitments…
also, since will and jada smith have sex outside their marriage, does that make them hoe’s?
“but like the person who’s sexin the married person is a ho? y not the married person sexin the single person be a ho? they’re the one with the commitments…”
They both are. lol
Yes, they both are. But does morality and society n’ shyt dictate that there be DEGREES of Howe-dom? Is the married person more of a howe than their single side-piece??
The details are killin’ me. That’s why I just try to attend to my own diddlin’s and leave others to their own.
I think that just makes them a little freaky. At least they have an arrangement and its within the norm for their marriage.
PBG, I agree. There are so many variables we can be here all day. You can be a virgin til you get married, then sleep with your man’s boy and that might be labeled howe behavior.
My whole view is that I think many women give up more than men, emotionally, spiritually and mentally, and a lot of women do not factor in their worth when choosing who to bed.
Women always give up more. And before society started labeling, judging and legislating s3xuality, we gave up more simply do to our physiological make-up. We literally are impaled by the will of men and then end up spilling our guts behind it.
I still love being a girl, though.
do=due. my homophones be off sometimes, shawty.
We literally are impaled by the will of men and then end up spilling our guts behind it.
Hey PBG
I usually agree with almost everything u say but I don’t agree with this… i think this right here is the heart of what’s wrong with the double standard. Men being socialized to be heartless, self-serving, immature, and irresponsible is not the physiological burden of womanhood… that’s how it’s been because people have been ignorant and have lived in darkness. i have this convo w/ my BD all the time cuz he has some old school concepts about life. But people are still evolving… women’s lib happened because it needed to. the feminine principle is just as necessary in the cycle of life as the masculine. When we are out of balance life does what’s necessary to bring us back where we need to be. I truly think that our daughters will enjoy more equanimity and harmony in their relationships because it’s necessary for the survival of our species that people get it together. ok. back off the soapbox
Oh… and if anybody is looking for a book that will provide a lot of clarity on some of our ills please read A New Earth by Ekhart Tolle… it’s the truth.
thing is, pgh muse, how much of this is socialization, and how much is just biology?
ummm… Men and women are definitely different and bring different qualities to the the species. That’s why god created both of us… but the thing is that that which is feminine and women in general get the short end of the stick because of the Male dominence in our civilization. This is problematic bcuz the attributes that are associated with masculinity unchecked can cause the downfall of civilization, if there is nothing to balance that – bring in the feminine. it can’t be a “female world order” either… there has to be a balance in order for humanity to be right with the earth. I’m not saying that men and women are the same, I’m saying that the male and female have to be equally valued. One is not superior to the other.
I was actually referring to physically being a woman, the mechanics of the s3x act and subsequent birth.
And I am not a feminist, just to put “me” in perspective for you. But I do respect you and yo’ thang, Ms. Muse.
Hey PBG
I hear you. And i appreciate everything you said, but i am a feminist, and I LOOOVE men, and will submit to mine when he is right. Cause men are awesome, but I also love myself and think that women are amazing, beautiful creatures. I think that motherhood is the cornerstone of civilizations and it should be respected and celebrated. I don’t think that it should be looked upon societally as a burden. If noone had babies then there would be no people… Damian Marley said that Motherhood is sacred and he is right. If a girl child is abused, degraded, and taught that she “ain’t shat” what kind of mother will she be. She’ll be the kind of mother that beats the sh*t out of her kids, and cusses them out using the ‘F” word, let’s them walk by themselves as toddlers down busy streets while she is on the cell phone, feeds them oodles of noodles for breakfast, lunch and dinner… among other evils. I’m a feminist cause I believe in women and in motherhood. Not knocking men and fathers cause they support the mother’s work… but in nature a mother knows her role, so why don’t we? In nature a mother will hunt for and protect her babies… why don’t we?
powerful message.
I LOVE IT…
we have power and we give that power up by allowing ourselves to be used and abused and trying to front like its what we want. Its not if it was this conversation wouldnt have made so many people uncomfortable. When is the last time you felt discomfort about a decision you made that you were truly proud of?
Unless it is directly effecting me & mine, I like to stay out of other folks’ business.
I see your point, but I think that this mentality also screws ppl over. There are plenty of stable men and women out there who could guide parentless children, volunteer their time at a local boys and girls club, mentoring does work. This is contributing to the fracture in our own communities. Black folk who do well for themselves move away and those who do not have the same opportunities stay in their hoods. If more upwardly mobile brothers and sisters thought to reach down and try to lift somebody, maybe it would help.
Ok, i’m done for today!
I see your point, but I think that this mentality also screws ppl over. There are plenty of stable men and women out there who could guide parentless children, volunteer their time at a local boys and girls club, mentoring does work. This is contributing to the fracture in our own communities.
although incredibly off-topic, this was an applause worthy comment
I was referring to grown folks. I’d check a kid in a minute. I do it in my personal life as a mom and professional as someone who works w/very young children (and their very young parents, most of the time).
But yeah, you have a real point. Each one teach one n’ shyt.
MESSAGE!!
I agree with that PBG. That whole putting my mouth into other grown, sane individuals is an exercise that I refuse to engage in.
I figure this is why the good Lord allotted each one of us his/her own.
GO PHILLIES!!!!!!!!!!! WORLD CHAMPIONS!!!!!
*doing best Freddy Mercury impression*
We are the champions, my friends. And we’ll keep on fightin’ til the end….
We are the champions!
We are the champions!
No time for losers, cause we are the champions… Of the World!!!!
Okay. -
I’m done. I will be back with an on topic response (thank you very much Champ) but I’m still flying from partying on Broad street last night!
That right we made the Devil Rays are ho’s last night
GO PHILLIES.
BTW – Am I a ho because I sprinted naked down Broad Street celebrating?
absolutely not… you were a joyous reveler celebrating the Reverse of the Curse…
besides, my celebration might be described as slightly whore-ish… or not. since i’m married… *tee hee*
You are your marital bliss.
ugh.
I am the 8th Wonder, and this has been my hatin ass comment of the day.
its not all bliss girl… just this morning i had to tidy up after him and his revelling ass boys who were partying on my deck, while getting ready for work and i tripped over his d@mn Timbs running out the door to. he sooo messed up the flow– i don’t like him right now.
Okay, I’m no longer hating on you.
*e-shoves bb mo’s hubby for leaving timbs laying around haphazardly*
If you ever had sex with more than one person in the same day without it being a menage, you were in the act of ho-dom. I know this gets a lot of people, especially in college.
What about back to back days of the week?
Like one guy on Monday, another guy on Tuesday?
How does that stack up?
This action is termed “dirty d!cking” a chick, but that only if you do both of them raw.
*holds head in shame again*
I’ll walk you to the clinic dawg
I’ll voluntarily go with him.
he’s admitted being in my clinic… i’ll have the receptionist get his chart ready…
That was back in the day when I did that and I get test twice at year at that clinic.
Speaking of receptionist, if I wasn’t a faithful dude, I would seriously put a hurting to that one fine ass receptionist that works at your job. She can pull my “chart” any day of the week. Holla!
ps – yall need to get a PSA new tape for people to watch up in there. That PSA is like 10 years old. It’s bad enough that yall make ninjas waste half the day up in there, at least give us some entertainment. I was tempted to slide a porno movie in the VCR, but being that’s a clinic that would have been kind of inappropriate. Oh well there’s always April Fools. lol
that waiting room does look like its hellish… *looks bemused*
let me put this disclaimer out there… i don’t think that there’s anything wrong with men/women being “sexually free” and don’t think that this makes them a ho…
however, i do think that if you’re irresponsible with who you’re sleeping with (everyone is hitting without protection and it doesn’t matter who it is, from the transvestite on 3rd to the bagger at publix), “selling” your sex for some material gain, or have contracted every disease known and unknown to man and shared it with others…
i feel like those things make a ho, a ho
so you’re only a ho if you’re diseased?
awwww publix. i miss atl
I’m reading all your comments. And to them I say:
Oh puh-leeze.
Opinions and judgements are like booty-holes: We all have them and they all stink. We can’t avoid making judgements or being judged.
What makes someone a ho is not what they do, how long they wait to do it, or how much change they collect on the way.
The only thing that matters is who knows about it.
I’ve done some totally trampy things in my lifetime: 3-some, 4-some and then some, but I am still treated like the “good girl” that I project myself to be (and am, dangit!). Why? Because I don’t shyt where I eat, and I don’t do friends. I had my v-card until I hit college. I’m known to be a prude (why, I have no idea. Must be the glasses.) Unless you were there or I told you in detail, you’d never know.
Video? Hel.l naw. You and a friend? Only on vacay. You and my friend? Only if that ho can keep her mouth shut (well…). I jest! Maybe.
I’ve seen too many women who can’t hold a candle to my adventures get played and have their reputations ruined because they slept with 3 guys on a team, family or just let the word get around. If more than 2 people at a social gathering can talk about your privates you’re in trouble. I was at my 10 year h.s. reunion not too long ago, and girls who were known as strumpets then are still known as strumpets (Don’t you remember Nikisha – she was the ho!) A good way to avoid that is to engage those folks in some ish that is so nasty they wouldn’t even talk about it at gunpoint. heh,heh.
But I jest. Maybe.
“Video? Hel.l naw. You and a friend? Only on vacay. You and my friend? Only if that ho can keep her mouth shut (well…). I jest! Maybe.”
I love this honesty. Great!!!
Maybe…lol
“The only thing that matters is who knows about it.”
i co-sign this message..well your whole reply here..those who are indiscrete end up being called a ho!e. To me as long as you aren’t putting anyone sex#ually at risk (and this might be up for debate since a condom can’t stop everything), and your operating with a level of honesty, ie full disclosure that you’re “engaging” other people- then who am i to really judge.
if you can come out of all those sex#ual adventures with good health in tact…you really do have something to give in the bedroom, because nothing really surprises, perplexes or bothers you. and once you’re with someone you love there shouldn’t be any real inhibitions. And with the exception of pro!n what’s your frame of reference for inhibited s#e#x?
my one disclaimer (ie, damp bed ruffle) to all of this is that having “anonymous” sex is expensive in the long run..since se@x is a spiritual practice. sometimes it takes a LONG time to get somebody out of YOUR spirit. and as long as people know that when you give the party you gotta pay the band..well..see my previous reply.
Yes, your soul. I always imagine leaving part of me behind after the act. What if he isn’t worthy of my essences? What if I have indeed thrown my pearls before swine?? To answer that, I have before and the aftermath is a emptiness soooo deep…so deep I can’t even finish this sentence properly.
Yes, your soul. I always imagine leaving part of me behind after the act. What if he isn’t worthy of my essences? What if I have indeed thrown my pearls before swine?? To answer that, I have before and the aftermath is a emptiness soooo deep…so deep I can’t even finish this sentence properly.
exactly PBG/Comeback Girl
Yes, your soul. I always imagine leaving part of me behind after the act. What if he isn’t worthy of my essences? What if I have indeed thrown my pearls before swine?? To answer that, I have before and the aftermath is a emptiness soooo deep…so deep I can’t even finish this sentence properly.
this statement should be included in all family health classes a a possible deterrent and shyt.
“what’s your frame of reference for inhibited s#e#x?”
meant UNinhibited sex.
I’m mad you replied to yourself 3 times. Actually I’m not mad at all – CG you’re always watching out for a sista’s soul. Somebody’s got to! Remember that scene in Devil’s Advocate where Al Pacino puts his finger in the holy water – and it evaporates?? That’s been me, lol…
T..i replied TWO times…but one day soon. i just needed to clarify my clarification. one day i’ll spend some time here and just keep replying to myself with addtional thoughts to myself. lol j/k
I’ve done some totally trampy things in my lifetime: 3-some, 4-some and then some, but I am still treated like the “good girl” that I project myself to be (and am, dangit!). Why? Because I don’t shyt where I eat, and I don’t do friends. I had my v-card until I hit college. I’m known to be a prude (why, I have no idea. Must be the glasses.) Unless you were there or I told you in detail, you’d never know.
me too.. but guess what I know about my actions and I look back , not with shame, more with bemusement and think.. that was some h.o shyt right there.. LOL
3-some, 4-some and then some
vsb.com: where “train” euphemisms happen
“The only thing that matters is who knows about it. ”
Good point!
People who are labeled h*es are labeled that because too many people know of their s3xcapades. The moral of the story is discretion and keep your mouth shut.
Let’s be honest people. Keeping your mouth shut only keeps the chatter of other folks down to a minimum. Just because no one knows you are a ho, doesn’t mean you aren’t still a ho. You know that.
If a tree falls in the woods, does it make a sound?
Exactly.
“I’m reading all your comments. And to them I say:
Oh puh-leeze.
Opinions and judgements are like booty-holes: We all have them and they all stink. We can’t avoid making judgements or being judged.
What makes someone a ho is not what they do, how long they wait to do it, or how much change they collect on the way.
The only thing that matters is who knows about it.”
hmmmm… us guys would refer to you as a freak on the low. which means we know you won’t tell but we’re bragging to at least one of our boys anyway so yeah… your biz might get out.
“Us guys” are usually seriously dating/married to ho’s (reformed or present) and don’t know it. Sorry SC, but every woman worth her se.xual salt has taken at least one ride on the wild side. The “I would NEVER!” chick is either:
a. the same chick who would never touch herself (boring sack of sorriness in bed) or
b. lyin’
The real word for freaks on the low is: wives.
Tee-hee.
“Us guys” are usually seriously dating/married to ho’s (reformed or present) and don’t know it. Sorry SC, but every woman worth her se.xual salt has taken at least one ride on the wild side. The “I would NEVER!” chick is either:
a. the same chick who would never touch herself (boring sack of sorriness in bed) or
b. lyin’
The real word for freaks on the low is: wives.”
oh, i’m not knockin’ your point. i guess i’m just saying somebody might know your biz b/c people do talk. doesn’t necessarily mean you’re a ho.
and of course us guys want a good girl in public but a freak in private. i mean… we had that 3-way. w/ ya girl.. yadda, yadda, yadda… i tell my boy blah, blah, blah… he says if you don’t marry her i will blah, blah, blah… and now i’m going ring shopping. lol.
i know you didn’t learn how to do that thing with your tongue overnight. i just like it and i’m tryna put a ring on it.
“i know you didn’t learn how to do that thing with your tongue overnight. i just like it and i’m tryna put a ring on it.”
LMAO
“i know you didn’t learn how to do that thing with your tongue overnight. i just like it and i’m tryna put a ring on it.”
This is was great comment…lol
Like I always say, don’t ask the questions, unless you REALLY wanna know the answers…
ROTFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
SC – I see you know the deal. You’ll be (or are) a happy hubby.
This is a good topic. Props to the Champ.
This is a good topic. Props to the Champ.
thanks and sh*t
lol… i like this answer
i know you didn’t learn how to do that thing with your tongue overnight. i just like it and i’m tryna put a ring on it.
ROFL.
Umm why is it that in order to be good in bed one feels you have to have lots of partners as opposed to lots of s.e.x with the same partner? My short time in the world did not bring me any more knowledge about myself or what I liked because those hookups are never about that. I learned what I liked and what men liked in the safety of a long term relationship where I felt free to try new things and was truly interested in pleasing the other partner.
good point and sh*t
Umm why is it that in order to be good in bed one feels you have to have lots of partners as opposed to lots of s.e.x with the same partner?
vsb.com: where ho justification happens
That’s the whole point. It’s all perception at the end of the day.
I just wanna say, I haven’t heard “slore” in a while…lol
Ho…hmmm. IDK
I think everyone– okay maybe like 98% of the population went through a “hoish” stage at sometime in their lives. Either it was when you got your 1st piece and it was all brand spanking new and you couldn’t wait to get some more. Or maybe perhaps you were in a long term relationship that ended and then you threw caution to the wind, since you were finally “set free”. Then you got your “slam” on. Ridiculously.
Does it really matter? I don’t think so.
Do I wanna know about it? Probably not.
If you’re a potential candidate, it could probably change my thoughts of sleeping with you and all. Especially if you have a three digit number. (True Story…lol)
Let’s just see the clean bills of health, and then….we’ll see.
Champ you also asked
“do sheer numbers carry the most weight? if so, how do age and circumstance factor when making this consideration?”
Sheer numbers alone? Not always, but sometimes. There’s also the classic double standard. I’m sure 60 partners for a guy isn’t frowned upon as much as it would be if it was woman proclaiming the same number.
I do take the whole age and circumstance into consideration, as well as the complete time you’ve been in the game.
60 partners divided by 10 years in the game…so on and so forth…
by “in the game” do you mean “since they’ve been f*ckin”?
Yep.
I wrote about this on my blog a while ago. The biggest difference between a ho and a “sexually liberal chick” is confidentially. A ho has her business out there in the streets (perhaps purposely). A sexually liberal chick can take some D, but does it on the low. I went to school with chicks who took a lot of Vitamin D, but they weren’t labeled a ho because they managed to keep their biz out the streets.
I’ve also been sitting in a room watching Carwash while 4 dudes each took a turn with one chick. This was during the middle of the day and no alcohol had been consumed. Her view was “the more d*ck, the better”. Now that, ladies and gentlemen, is a ho.
I think we may have been in the same room (pause, not that there is anything wrong with that though lol)
“I’ve also been sitting in a room watching Carwash while 4 dudes each took a turn with one chick. ”
And may I ask if you took a spin through the car wash?? you too peyso….
Did I partake? Is that the question? I didnt do anything, now if she touched me thats a different story
I did not partake in such activities. Is everybody familiar with diminishing marginal utility? If not, look it up. I don’t exactly go for those type of thangs. lol
this is why i heart econ majors… they got some sense. albeit cold blooded…
Okay, so why did you stay in the room then? I can’t imagine just sitting there whilst homegirl gets in-house tutoring, letting bammas move in and out of her student body union.
I think this is a quality Jay-Z reference. However, who wants to be the guy that just leaves. No one wants to be that guy.
However, who wants to be the guy that just leaves. No one wants to be that guy.
i disagree. leaving, even if you lie about an excuse, is better than just staying. if you stay, you’re basically just a really, really bad fluffer
i disagree. leaving, even if you lie about an excuse, is better than just staying. if you stay, you’re basically just a really, really bad fluffer
man, i was with you until fluffer.
what’s worse spiritually? leaving and getting clowned a little or staying and participating?
“I’ve also been sitting in a room watching Carwash while 4 dudes each took a turn with one chick. ”
This made me sad.
Who are these women who are letting dudes run trains on them?
There were two instances when I was in college when pics surfaced of the girl with the, in one case, Omegas and, in the other, the basketball team.
I have to believe she is not a ho but is crying out for help.
Idk what it is with some of the train conductors. Love of peter? Self esteem/attention deficit? Ride-hard groupie-ism?
I know a chick who racked up 10 dudes her freshman year in college and prolly 3 the next year…and now she’s engaged. Poor fella.
“attention deficit?”
LMAO!!!! I shouldn’t be eating lunch while reading this!!
I’m just wondering how this pops off…I mean I’ve seen many a pern where this happens, but in real life… seriously, wow.
How does this go down?
You ask the girl if she’ll let you and your people hit. If she says yes, then it goes down…
That simple huh?
Wow.
I’m still baffled, but it’s slowly becoming crystal clear.
Still cloudier than a mug over here, e-twinny.
Okay I lied, I’m still pretty cloudy as well.
Clear as mud would be a better way to say it.
Most of the train rides I’ve taken part in, happened via word of mouth. Like my home boy will call me up and say, “I got this freak over hear breaking everyboyd off, stop by the corner store and pick up some rubbers and dutches”
My first train happened when my older cousin called me over to his house. I didn’t know what he wanted but I went over anyway. Soon as I walk in the house I see him banging this chick from behind. I tell that I’ll come back later, but he stopped me and told me to chill out. As soon as I’m about to say something else he told me to,. “pull your d!ck out and put it in the b!tches mouth.” His exact words, in front of the girl.
…WOAH….
like no other words… seriously, just WOAH….
*blinks*
I don’t have any words…but I’m laughing like a 12 year old over here.
Sooooo….what happened next? LOL
*side-eye*
LOL@ you 8th…curiosity was getting to me…
Okay…nevermind Eff…really…
It was my older cousin so I did what he said and I enjoyed it. He told me that he hooked that up for me because he thought that was my first time. that was my first time a chick ever stepped up to my mic though.
As soon as I’m about to say something else he told me to,. “pull your d!ck out and put it in the b!tches mouth.” His exact words, in front of the girl.
**********************************************
**munching chips**
Then what happened? I always knew that people did this in real life – but I never knew the mechanics.
But see? Why is it that 10 people can be in a room doing the freak nasty, but only one of them has self esteem/daddy/whatever issues? Methinks the “pile on” mentality of the fellas may have to come into play as well.
“pull your d!ck out and put it in the b!tches mouth.” His exact words, in front of the girl.
Another sad story on VSB 2day…
That’s exactly how it goes down. The last train that I remembering in school happened the Saturday before school was to start after Christmas Break. These jawns were at the crib chilling w/ some Kappas and some Omegas. No one had any idea of what was going to occur.
Omega A had been smashing one of Jawn A but wanted to holla at Jawn B. So while he was hollering at Jawn B, Jawn A tried to pull him away to his room so that she could share her knowledge. He refused. To get back at him, she secretly slid off with Kappa A into Kappa B’s room and lock the door. Minutes later as Jawn B and Jawn C are getting ready to leave everyone hears noise coming from said room. They try to open the door but its locked and they call her phone and knock but to no avail. Jawn B says “Fuck her, I have church in the morning” and leaves with Jawn C leaving soon after. Finally Kappa A opens the door with a smile and says “I was sleeping in the bed and she was on the couch”. Everyone knows its a lie. Omega A is a bit jealous and walks in, Jawn A tells him that she is mad and after a brief talk they began to have intercourse. Kappa A has not left the room and comes to the two and puts his p3nis on her shoulder. He says “You did it before you might as well do it again and plus its on your shoulder”. She obliges. It moves from the bed to the couch. Kappa A left the door unlocked so that Kappa B and Kappa C could walk in. Omega A says that he and Kappa B are going to switch. She has no problem with that. Kappa C calls Kappa D and E and they travel in the cold January weather 7 snow covered blocks by foot. They arrive snowy and pulled out there p3nis and she continues. She then says she is tired, Kappa B drives her home and the night is done.
The really sad part is that I know more stories too, many more
*closes mouth to stop looking like the catch of the day*
you know what… this story explains SO MUCH of why certain women on campus had the nicknames that they had in undergrad… did you go to school in upstate NY perchance?
good lawd i’ve been in the dark….
Naw, this story happened when I was a senior. So not much was heard about it. One day Ima tell ya every story that happened at my private school in Philly.
“She then says she is tired, Kappa B drives her home and the night is done.”
That’s what killed me the most.
I’m a tad fatigued, can the 9 of you stop boning me now?
OK, let me get this straight…
Jawn A tried to use all she (thought) she had to get back @ Omega A for trying to holla @ her homegirl, Jawn B…Jawn A was jealous and pi$$ed, had a misguided, adolescent understanding of the P.O.P. and the fragility of the male ego. So she goes and shmeezes it out w/Kappa A. Omega A gets pi$$ed w/Jawn A, not for shmeezing it out w/Kappa A, but for making him look foolish in front of all the other Kappas and Omegas on the scene. Jawn A, not having the sense God gave her (nor the self-esteem) is so pressed for Omega A, she lets him hit and subjects herself to his punishment, which is to TOTALLY demean her in retaliation for her self-shmeezation w/Kappa A by objectifying her for the entertainment and amusement for all the other guys.
I’m surprised Jawn A even got a damn ride home.
I’m suprised she got a ride home too. But I think he had more of an issue with that the fact it was a Kappa
I’m surprised Jawn A even got a damn ride home.
they can’t be completely heartless and let their sperm dumpster walk home in the snow.. that would just not be gentlemanly…..
Would this have been your first experience in sexual violence too?? What is she didn’t want a dyck in her mouth?? What would have happened then? not judgeing u eff, cuz everybody has their experiences but this is horrible.
One thing about my cousin he’s a straight up HO. Today’s topic was made for his @ss. The shyt he gets away with is crazy. When I walked in that situation, I’m sure that chick was a straight up freak . . . I mean she was dealing with my cousin. Plus she was all relaxed and shyt, when I came in the crib, like she wasn’t doing nothing.
As soon as I’m about to say something else he told me to,. “pull your d!ck out and put it in the b!tches mouth.” His exact words, in front of the girl.
ah yes. the infamous “finger-cuffs”
this made me extremely sad and even more reason not put hotivities out there like its the hottest shyt on the blvd. Its a slippery slope and girls with no one to tell them any better, looking for love, validation, to inclusion etc end up in this place…..
“Its a slippery slope…”
literally and figuratively.
Its a slippery slope…”
literally and figuratively.
LMAO
“As soon as I’m about to say something else he told me to,. “pull your d!ck out and put it in the b!tches mouth.” His exact words, in front of the girl.”
I’m sorry but this is Phuckin HILARIOUS!
sans alcohol? woooooooooow.
I’ve also been sitting in a room watching Carwash while 4 dudes each took a turn with one chick. This was during the middle of the day and no alcohol had been consumed. Her view was “the more d*ck, the better”
this is sad
One of my guy buddies is a ho. Sadly I learned of this after I’d let him inside the Sugary Wallz…
BUT he’s a ho because he sleeps with multiple women with no disregard, as long as they look good and he cheats without conscious.
I think once a ho, always a ho and I wouldn’t be able to date one for fear that we’d be at a restaurant and he’d slept with 80% of the women in there.
One of my guy buddies is a ho. Sadly I learned of this after I’d let him inside the Sugary Wallz
reason number 27484 why truly platonic friendships can never exist
Yah, I don’t believe they can exist either.. you just can’t convince me of this!
eff all this. lets stop being Purtians and all embrace our horniness
everybody duewhatchalike.
also lets not.. forget hoes get paid.
if there is no money on your dresser afetrwards you aint a ho
thats all thats it.
“duewhatchalike.”
Can I grab you in the biscuits?
Too funny, MTL!!!! That was exactly my thought….
Hee-hee ha!!!
“duewhatchalike”
…I see guys and girls dancin’, ooh, ooh
& w/ the way you spelled ‘due’ it makes me think of Nas’ you owe me something.
Simple definition:
A ho/whore is someone who knowingly, and against their own wishes, gives up something very valuable to themselves, while getting little or any of what they want back in return.
Examples:
-The “nice guy” who is the emotional snot-rag of the girl he likes who just wants to be his friend and cry on his shoulder about the latest guy who’s scr3wing her over (literally and figuratively.)
-The girl who bones mad dudes *just* because she’s hoping one of them will show her the attention she wants from them.
-The dope who keeps taking women out on dates, even though he’s gotten nowhere with any of them, and they’ve been out 3 or 4 times already.
These are all hos/whores.
hunh? ya lost?
I’d call these people that you discribed simps or maybe even goe ssa yignah (the g is a spanish g so it sounds like a h)
Or even a sucker
Same concept, though. There’s an entire site called “Intellectualwhores.com” These are male whores.
“(the g is a spanish g so it sounds like a h)”
Maaan, what in the green beans are you talkin’ about???
Am I not supposed to ask that? I mean, really…I know I’m not the only one who sees this tomfoolery.
I saw it, I just ignorned it.
::snickering::
Y’all are trying to get me caught and fired up in here! *gasping for air*
bwahaahahahahahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Am I not supposed to ask that? I mean, really…I know I’m not the only one who sees this tomfoolery.
I didnt want to pass anymore judgements.. LMAO
George what’s this name in spanish horehay geila monster how you say that it’g he la monster. lmao I be gettin yall this is tooo funny.
btw you guys got n e more of them green beans?
Word.Life.
I dont understand. Lets not fool ourselves. The question asked on this post was how do you define h.o… now we get all of this.. it dosent matter, your a grown up. etc. This is bullshyt. WE all know what hoish behavior is and new it as hoish behavior when we did it Does participating in a hotivity make you a h.o? does being a h.o make you a bad person? NO. He.ll NO. but you knew going in it could potentially get you the label. You decided as an adult (in most cases but if you were a child? sad but still a h.o) that the potential gains outweighed the cons of this label. YOu dont get to change the definition to fit everyone but you. I am sure there are 1 or 2 guys out there and a host of girls that would use the term to describe me even though the number of partners I have had is not a double digit number based on a couple of actions/hotivities I participated in. Guess what I knew that when I did them and I made the decision. I am now not going to sit up here and cry “dont you judge me” after putting myself on display. Do I go around seeing h.os and pointing them out no, but shyt the question was how do you define hodom and I gave an answer, there was no intention to judge anyone personally but hey if the shoe fits? two tears in a bucket..so f!ck it.
Comeback Girl… I see your blankets are in fashion today.
i wish yall wouldn’t refer to them as “blankets” lol…that is so diminishing to my dust ruffle, sham, dish clothe, through, duvet and comforter collection.
Shay-d, T and I are bringing some stuff to HSN…and please don’t hate on it when we do.
Shay-d, T and I are bringing some stuff to HSN…and please don’t hate on it when we do.
Why would I hate on it? apparently I have 1 or 2 you can add with yours….call it a donation.. i need a tax write off
YOu dont get to change the definition to fit everyone but you.
good point shay-d one
My definition of a female “ho” is this…a woman who is consistently loose and VERY non-selective in her choice of partners. This is a chick who will go to the club every week, meet a dude, and after the club closes…they’re laid up somewhere doing the do. Or a chick that will accept “offers” based on her needs at the time-like she needs her hair done, nails, wants to go on a trip, etc. This is not to be confused with the occasional/random one night stand-cause most of us have done one at least once. I use as my examples of “ho” dom two of my very close friends…both of whom STILL engage in this behavior now.
I use as my examples of “ho” dom two of my very close friends…both of whom STILL engage in this behavior now.
birds of a feather…
*sarcastic cackle* I think NOT, son…I don’t roll that way-violates my moral code.
what about the word slut.. are h.o and slut synonymous? if not how is the term “slut” defined?
they’re pretty interchangeable to me, like lettuce and spanich and idiot and harlemite
LOL @ harlemite
Yo y’all are trippin today. Personally I agree with Champ that the definition of ho isn’t a science as much as it is an art form.
Sometimes I wonder the purpose of labeling hoes. I think most hoes obviously have some emotional issues. It seems a little sad to attack the victim that way.
Sometimes I wonder the purpose of labeling hoes. I think most hoes obviously have some emotional issues. It seems a little sad to attack the victim that way.
right…which is why you label em so you can avoid em.
duh.
we’re all hoes. …and pots calling the kettle black. we’re all junkies, shooting, smoking, twerkin, eating, freakin on something.
judge not lest ye be judged. we make decisions everyday but u see the point…
this message condones, approves or subjugates nothing or no one and the views and opinions shared in the body of this message are not necessarily those of very smart brothas.
I would like to extend to you the Mars Blackman fingertip dap.
It is so a science Champ mcnizzle.
I am ho and I approve this message
Wow… it got real up in here. It seems that this is a very touchy subject for a lot of people…
I’m still pondering many of the comments.
Is a h.o. someone who is sexually/emotionally irresponsible with themselves? Yes.
Now, the challenge is to |define sexually/emotionally irresponsible|. (for non math nerds, I just asked for the absolute definition)
There are some non-debatable points in this– repreatedly contracting and/or spreading STI’s, low self esteem, disregard for other people and their feelings….
But a large part of the ‘irresponsible’ part of your definition is subjective. Its based on your values, morals and social constructs that may differ from mine.
ponder these…
My grandfather legally had 3 wives. He did not marry them all at the same time. His last one was 35 years is junior. Was he a h.o? Were his wives h.oes?
My cousin is a second wife, meaning she is married to a man who is already married. That means they were courting while he was married to his first wife. Is she a h.o.? (interstingly enough she attends church every Sunday and when she was visiting us here, she gave birth to her first son. she asked for him to be baptized in my parents’ church. our pastor refused to do it.)
One of my close friends is bisexual, thinks that marriage and long term commitment are useless social constructs and a farce– thus she has s3x with whomever she wants and her number of partners is well into the double digits. But she has never had an STI, unwanted pregnancy, is well adjusted, content with her life and unless she TOLD you about herself and her philosophies, you would never know she is how she is… is she a h.o?
me personally….
if i see your butt in the clinic downstairs more than 4 times in one year for the same ‘problem’…
One of my close friends is bisexual, thinks that marriage and long term commitment are useless social constructs and a farce– thus she has s3x with whomever she wants and her number of partners is well into the double digits. But she has never had an STI, unwanted pregnancy, is well adjusted, content with her life and unless she TOLD you about herself and her philosophies, you would never know she is how she is… is she a h.o?
yes.
mmhmmm.. you missed the point of the examples….
ho- n e body having cecks outside of marriage.
Did you know that in the book of Leviticus they was all. If you marry a chick and find out she has had cecks b 4. You can have her stoned.
Oh yeah numbers how about 1. And with what enthusiasm you do it yignah please.
This is the dankest blanket I’ve encountered in a while.
Yeah my appartment flooded.
Knew I shouldn’t have turned on The Ring.
lol
old testament posturing makes me nauseous.
Yeah, I’ma throat punch this comment.
“If you marry a chick and find out she has had cecks b 4. You can have her stoned.”
*throat punch*
Get that ish outta here mayne!!!
Ho
giggle giggle giggle
Watch yaself…lol
WHATEVER!)
*ducking running guarding neck*
all I got to say is set yourself free check thread 40.
I’ve read that already, and trust…I’m free.
Well not right now, but nevermind.
again, Whatever! When my sleep is altered in any form or fasion the angry bear comes out. *whisper* meet me n da copyroom.
I see your Tourette’s is kickin in…
Well what does Jesus quotes do to you give you the B-Gs? Howsabout if a man gazes on a woman he has already fornicated… what that doing for your digestion today?
lol
This is how people get hit upside the head with the Good Book. There’s always a prayerful heathen out there (ok, it’s me) to take the kinks out yo neck!
yeah I’m starting a fight just for the fun of it. I’m a bit down cuz my apartment flooded. Send 1 up 4 me Lil T.
You know a h*e when you see a h*e, and sometimes it can be as simple as looking in the mirror.
Very true because it takes one to know one…lol
I don’t know if I have a specific definition of a ho. I know a ho when I see one. I’ve never been a ho but I sure do know a lot of em. lol They’ll tell you that too if they have enough to drink. I say to each his/her own…do you. I’ve been judgmental enough in my lifetime. He.L.L, I’m being judged right now.
At this point, I can’t muster up enough energy to judge the hos. I say if you’re gonna be a ho, be the best ho you can be. Just please stay away from my man…I don’t wanna have to cut a biotch.
Peace and blessings people
“At this point, I can’t muster up enough energy to judge the hos. I say if you’re gonna be a ho, be the best ho you can be.”
Holla.
“I say if you’re gonna be a ho, be the best ho you can be.”
my dad said that to me when I was 13… it was followed with “make me proud”
I am dead serious too.
“lastly, should any of this even matter? as long as consenting adults are mutually partaking in this behavior, why should anyone even care how many hundreds of thousands of consenting adults a person has practiced this behavior with?”
Simply – it shouldn’t.
Why?
no 4 real why shouldn’t it matter?
Because. It’s the past. And it’s sexist. Having multiple sex partners shouldn’t be a big deal. How one conducts themselves as a sexual being does.
So for instance, if one is having wild unprotected sex willy nilly and doesn’t seem to be bothered. The issue is the recklessness of the sex, not the sex. If a person just happens to date a lot and enjoys healthy sex, I don’t see that as a big deal.
I think quibbling over a woman who has had multiple partners in a way we don’t about men who behave the same way is sexist and antiquated.
And yes, I’m aware I’m in the minority on that score.
Beautiful souls are in the minority, so it’s ok.
And may I add? Your significant other is very lucky.
If a person just happens to date a lot and enjoys healthy sex, I don’t see that as a big deal
thing is, as someone pointed out up-thread, having dozens upon dozens of different sexual partners isn’t healthy spiritually or emotionally.
thing is, as someone pointed out up-thread, having dozens upon dozens of different sexual partners isn’t healthy spiritually or emotionally.
That only holds true if you subscribe to a JudeoChristian definition of sex. This body-dirty/spirit pure Puritanical shit ain’t my stee.
To me, it’s fundamentally absurd.
Do I believe that doing anything in excess is unhealthy, sure? But I also think that absent serial freakin that infringes on every other aspect of love, our popular understanding of what constitutes excessive sex (esp. for women) is rooted in religious piety and antiquated sexist notions.
Again…I know that as a minority view this makes little sense.
My bad, I should spell check these joints:
That only holds true if you subscribe to a JudeoChristian definition of sex. This body-dirty/spirit pure Puritanical shit ain’t my stee.
To me, it’s fundamentally absurd.
Do I believe that doing anything in excess is unhealthy? sure.
But I also think that absent serial freakin that infringes on every other aspect of life, our popular understanding of what constitutes excessive sex (esp. for women) is rooted in religious piety and antiquated sexist notions.
Again…I know that as a minority view this makes little sense.
I would say that reckless cex is having many partners.
For instance, there are laws in physics that say, ‘if one object touches another object the object swap matter.’ Even if it is only a few atoms. I think that this can ring true spiritually speaking too. And since I’m a spiritual as well as physical being the cex is too an issue.
and instead of giving everyone the free love pass I’d rather line people up for their beratement.
Learn to make love w/ your whole being and you will never go back.
A ho…now what exactly defines a ho…everyone may have their own definition but im pretty sure most of our definitions will have a common ground..that is having multiple partener’s… everyone has ho tendencies but live in denial…gwen said it best “few times i’ve been around that block, but I ain’t no holla back girrllll”…
welcome and sh*t
This is an interesting topic. Thanx Champ. I think that human s*xuality is hard to categorize (ie labeling people ho’s) because we don’t explore it without judgement and prejudices. Kids find and have sensation in their s*x organs at young ages… I said that to say that all human creatures are s*xual beings… and a lot of people act out in a negative manner s*xually because of a lack of good guidance and a lack of a support system. Labeling them for that behavior is wrong, i think. Hmmmm… i think there is just in general a lack of balance… a lack of a balanced respect for who we all really are. We are part animals… we like s*x… but then the spiritual side of us condemns that… and for women the mental kicks in cause you may be left with babies to raise and provide for… (but if babies are blessings then why is this a bad thing? hmmmm…) I think we all need to accept our humanity. People (males and females) enjoy s*x … I think that if people are behaving responsibly and are age appropriate… and have all their eyes open and are not being taken advantage of, and are not taking advantage of somebody else then that is their business.
thanks and sh*t
lastly, should any of this even matter? as long as consenting adults are mutually partaking in this behavior, why should anyone even care how many hundreds of thousands of consenting adults a person has practiced this behavior with?
yeah, i typically don’t care about ho-tivity. do yo’ thang. granted i don’t exactly want to be dating the neighborhood ho, however, i’m also not going to ask you how many partners you’ve had. if you come with a clean bill of health, well then, done.
i would like to know, however, if you’ve had something like 12 partners…at once, b/c that says something about your judgement…there’s checksual freedom, and then there’s pr0n level…twelve at once? somebody’s taping, and when i run for president in 2040…i don’t need that tape surfacing on the ESPN 8: the Ocho.
I wholeheartedly agree with this comment. Just have negative results and let me know if I’ll see you on StolegrownH0es.com.
LOL @ the ocho… where obscure sports happen.
Unless I am reading wrong I see that, based on some of the comments I’ve read here today I guess I’d be labeled as a hoe cuz my sex partners number in the (low) double digits.
This, despite never having cheated on a boyfriend. And despite the fact that I ended up engaged to 2 of the 3 ‘first date’ sexers I’ve had.
My point? It ain’t about numbers. It ain’t even about the acts – if you haven’t done something truly freaky, for you, a time or two in your life, I feel sorry for you. Cuz you’re missing out. It really is, as someone else said, about presentation and what you let the world in on.
i think you’re reading wrong.
Time for a classic hip-hop quote
“The roof is on fire, it’s not an LA roit
I got more ho ho ho’s than the jolly green giant”
What ever happened to the Jolly green giant and his ho’s?
aretha franklins breasts ate them
terribly outrageously unfortunate comment. thanks Champie
QUOTE OF THE DAY. Everyone in this office is now looking at me like I’m a fool.
I have a guy friend who has slept with a lot of chicks. We were out once at a game-watch party and I asked him “how many women in here have you had sex with?” He looked around and said “probably like 10.” Well we all hang around in the same social circle but nobody has any beef about it. I don’t think anyone would call him a ho. We just have a really uninhibited group of friends who don’t really make a big deal about that stuff. There’s no “catching feelings” so there’s rarely beef about who slept with who. People keep things between them for the most part and K.I.M. We can all sit at the barbecue together the next day.
I’ve been playing spades and looked around to notice that I had been with the other three people around the table at least once. Still, it was no big deal.
In other circles, we’d ALL be considered a bunch of hoez I suppose. I say this to point out that it’s really up to perception.
He looked around and said “probably like 10.”
Is 10 a typo? Cuz 10 for a grown man where i’m from is like virginity…
well 10 in a room of people who are your friends/social circle. Clearly *I* don’t think that’s a problem but some people think it’s a sin to sleep with someone one of your friends has slept with or to keep things in the circle. Like it’s incest or something. I dunno.
In other circles, we’d ALL be considered a bunch of hoez I suppose
lol…yeah.
btw, everytime i hear “i suppose” i think of avon barksdale
This post made me think of Luda’s song “You’z a Hoe.” Remember at the end when the girl is talkin isht to him and he says “Hoe, bring yo ass!” and she replies, “Okay, hold on.” LOL THAT’s some ho isht right there. He gonna disrespect and she just gonna run along? Ha.
If you have sex with someone that you are not married to, you’re a whore.
Period, end of story.
WIA will only date and marry a sinner.
Yaeyaey! Yup yup! mhm *nodding head* afirmative! You got that right, just as sure as God is. Bwyoy you ain’t nevuh lied.
hahaha
I like how you think
Ansoooo!!! Nice..
aight…umm….a ho is a person (male or female) that will let any and every body into/onto their body…follow me here…dudes are hoes too…but when they do it they are pimping…the beauty of masculine entitlement…(looking at the ladies)
I HEART MY D!CK!
as far a reforming a ho…yeah it can be done…but with any addict, only when the ho is ready…s/he has to want to do it for themselves…and they will have to develop a personality, because until that point in their limited existence, they only had “secks” to offer and all their other social graces and abilities to communicate atrophied…
WHO KNEW!
thanks and sh*t, moore
I don’t know how to define HO…I mean if you go on numbers…I bet pretty much EVERY VSB and VSS is a HO…I just want to know you are healthy…not in a Valtrex sort of way either…I mean you should only be taking Flinstone Vitamins and sh!t!
Presentation is everything…and untimately a HO is about using good judgement and being safe!
I don’t ask how many partners you’ve had, because it doesn’t matter if you are with me now…and after all, with me is the BEST place to be! (wink)
I don’t ask how many partners you’ve had, because it doesn’t matter if you are with me now…and after all, with me is the BEST place to be! (wink)
I have never been down with this question being asked or given. Because it causes the sort of discussion this post haves with people being defensive and others thinking that they are being judged. Look, I am not judging anyone and on a day to day basis I dont go around h.o hunting. I dont know how many s.e.xual partners my husband has had. He.ll he a freak so I am sure he had way more than me and probably was a h.o.But guess what when I dated him my rules did not include…never having been a h.o or require to him to have less than x number of partners.
I associate the word with my definition and lets be honest we ALL Lhave a definition in our heads. Otherwise it wouldnt be worth discussing. The problem comes in when you cant reconcile your definition with your own actions. Then the label is judgemental because it forces you to judge yourself.
LOL I typed this from my phone so please forgive the typos..
Extra zen there, Shay. I agree. My definition of “ho” is pretty much anything I’ve done that makes me giggle and blush thinking back on it – which is why I have been known to occasionally describe myself as a ho (and stick my chest out while I’m doing it!).
After all, someone wise once said that our final regrets are never what we did – it’s what we DIDN’T do!! Holla!
“I mean if you go on numbers…I bet pretty much EVERY VSB and VSS is a HO”
I heart you!
This song just came to mind…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZVMT_itVC4
Great mothu fuggin song pic. I been thinking of it since I read the post.
LOL miss t, you took it back:)
I just want to know you are healthy…not in a Valtrex sort of way either…I mean you should only be taking Flinstone Vitamins and sh!t!
Thanks, I don’t think anyone specified what healthy is. The name of your medicine/supplements should not exceed 5 syllables.
VSS
OOooooo I didn’t know there was one of these…
VSS’s
LMAO… yes
Hey um VSB management why does The Champ get the subliminal cex message? circa tag cloud
???
In the left margin up top the largest words are ‘sex the champ.’ What gives.
wow..you dont miss nothin huh? LOL
my job is boring as hades. now go have cecks w/ the champ. I’m gonna eat some cookies n milk.
My take on it is who cares, as long as you are protecting yourself.
As I grow older I realize that there are a myriad of ideologies when it comes to being a hoe.
One man’s hoe is another man’s wife. (They can be misconstrued in sooo many ways but oh well you know what I mean.)
We’ve all had sex by the time we hit 21 and prob done some stuff as Lil’ T said “so nasty they wouldn’t even talk about it at gunpoint”. (BTW I’m using that forever.)
And for that I don’t think we should judge anyone on there past sexually unless they trying to bring a bunch of STD’s and chiren (thats southern for kids) into the mix. And that’s between you and that person to decide how your relationship is going to be if you love each other.
Because Warren Buffett said it best, “Every saint has a past and every sinner has future”.
So I don’t believe in the word ho. I just believe anybody that is promiscuous and doesn’t protect themselves is evil. And I believe anybody that is promiscuous in a monogamous relationship even if they are protecting themselves is evil.
I think people use as a way to bring other people down. And a lot of times people use it to hate because they not getting any play. “Yeah all the girls/dudes hollering at him/her but he/she is a ho/he ho.”
“Wood has spoken”
Hear, hear! Well said.
I concur. And not just cuz you quoted me in your post (tee-hee).
So howes are evil?
No, evil is evil. Hoes are grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrreate!
reminds me of that scene in vampire in brooklyn
a$$ is good, a$$ is what got us here lmao…
evil is good
and if you can get yoself a piece of evil a$$…WHOOO!!
lmao that was a great scene! i need to get my hands on the dvd so i can watch it lol
Wood reports:
“One man’s hoe is another man’s wife. (They can be misconstrued in sooo many ways but oh well you know what I mean.)
fu*k misconstrue. this is true i dont care how u conscrew it vice-versa, tables turned and anyway u twist it.
hee hee, u crack me up
All hail The Wood!
Alot of Women say that to me…lol
I am a fan of that pocket straight, Chris Bridges (aka luda aka my baby daddy in my dreams). And as he said:
“You doing Ho activities
With Ho tendencies
Hos are your friends, Hos are your enemies
With ho energy to do what you do
Blew what u blew, screw what u screw
Y’all professional like DJ Clue,
pulling on my coat tail
And why you think you take a Ho to a Ho-tel
Ho-tell everybody, even the mayor (mmhmmm kwame)
Reach up in the sky for the Ho-zone layer
Now C’mon playa once a Ho always
And Hos neva close, they open like hallways
So here’s the whole cake for your Ho Ho crew
And everybody wants some, cuz Hos gotta eat too”
That man, is a poet.
Welp, back to work.
Luda is highly underrated Luvvie. lyrically he is beastial. feature him on ur record and he outshines u easy.
I agree w/you, Genius Khan.
“feature him on ur record and he outshines u easy.”
hmmm. depends.
ok Champ i’ll bite. when is it that Luda doesn’t easily outshine other artists on their own records? [literally and hypothetically]
“ok Champ i’ll bite.”
thats what she said
seriously though, i’m a luda fan. i definitely think he’s easily one of the top 30 rappers alive…maybe even top 25.
thing is, i’ve never heard him out shine anyone north of the mason-dixon line on a track. never. sh*t, he even gets killed by the game and ye on the “where you at” (the boost mobile song)
maybe he gets nervous or something…i dont know.
well Luda probably didnt write the boost mobile sh*t and north of the mason dixon like who and what songs?
…my point exactly. rappers know what it is?
“thing is, i’ve never heard him out shine anyone north of the mason-dixon line on a track. never. ”
Thats not actually true. GK is right when there was a time that “feat. Ludacris” was a powerful line in hip hop. He killed Nas on the Made You Look remix, Cam in the What Means The World remix (granted it was old Cam), and Diddy in the Peaches and Cream remix (i know i know). But those are the north dudes just off the top, i’m sure he has more. But for overall “feat.” put this dude on an R&B track and it was ridiculous.
However he fell off, I think he’s just now trying to come back to form.
btw, i just saw your comment upthread. who (or what families) do you know in the castle?
Luda is highly underrated Luvvie. lyrically he is beastial. feature him on ur record and he outshines u easy.
overruled. *pounds gavel*
overit weighs in:
feature Luda on ur record and he outshines u easy.
overruled. *pounds gavel*
appeal goes to the highest court in hip hop
overrules ur ruling. *gavel strikes*
supreme court justice wise intelligent
gk, this case has been continued..stay tuned.
To all the ‘who cares?’ queries. You are not your own. I am because We are. Contrary to Scientology belief all of you have a mother, and she wouldn’t want that for you.
Stinkerman
Ain’t you supposed to be bailing water out your window? Where’s my belt…
True story – my mother was on a cruise with her man and she’s there on the first day telling me how romantic the trip is, her man got her flowers and chocolate covered scrawberries and all that good stuff. So I ask her, “Well Mom, what are you doing wasting time talking to me when you should be hanging with Willie?”
My mother: “Well, we can’t skrew on the balcony til after the sun goes down, so I’m just killin’ some time.”
I fell out of my chair at work. Literally.
This sounds like one of my grandmother’s stories from her “heyday”…lol
Sometimes I can’t wait to be old….
I know right? Grandchildren gonna have some stories fo’ that azz.
I don’t know where your belt is but your briza is still swinging from the cieling fan.
lol
and Mama is a wild girl so is her dude.
I apologize in advance if this has already been stated, I dont have time 2 read every1 else’s comments. For me, the criteria for ho-dom is simple. If every1 knows how, and with who your doing you, then your a hoe. You can sleep with as many ppl as you like, brothers, cousins, fathers, whoever.Thats your business, do you.However, every1 need not know. A hoe is some1 who puts their bia on front street, or who isnt selective enuff 2 weed out the ppl who will put them on front street.This is especially true for us women.You could sleep with one dude, who ran his mouth and its a dubie with the pins.
A hoe is some1 who puts their bia on front street, or who isnt selective enuff 2 weed out the ppl who will put them on front street.This is especially true for us women.You could sleep with one dude, who ran his mouth and its a dubie with the pins.
lol…please tell me you sent this from your phone.
ok…i’m gonna stop. you’re new and i haven’t been nice. to make up for it, i’ll send you some toast and sh*t
So, the only logical conclusion is if you’ve had any sort of sexual contact with someone else, you’re a ho.
So, the only logical conclusion is if you’ve had any sort of sexual contact with someone else, you’re a ho.
I agree if you remove the word “logical”
Tee-hee!
Pretty much from what I read.
“I’m an honest ho. And ALL my hoes is honest!”
LOL… I was waiting on someone to say that.
‘But why is the girls always comin up short’
lol
I’m in charge of the girls!!!!!
I’m just saying the the bar is doin well, the gambling is doing well and the girls is short.
Ahhhh, hoes! My favorite subject since that time I had an hour long convo about all the ways my bishop is better than her king.
Hoes are undefined. There is no set parameter for Ho-ness. It is like the Champ stated, you just know one when you see one. I have met hoes in clear heels and hoes in business suits. Hoes on the bus and hoes in a Benz……hoes on stage and hoes by the bar, hoes by near and hoes by far. I’m sorry, I couldn’t resist slipping into Ludacris mode.
Don’t worry about the hoes. The world needs them, witout hoes the murder rate would sky rocket world wide. Just don’t wife a hoe, it does not work……ever. If you are a hoe, you know it. If you are messing with a hoe, you know that too. So just let the hoes be the hoes and stop trying to label them or figure them out. It will only cause unnecessary chaos in everyones lives. They should remain a secret society known only to those they directly effect. What if someone published a list of names of all the KKK members in the country and you found out half of the white people you are cool with are card carrying members. That would cause nothing but confusion and disorder. Or what if there was some universal hoe identifier and you found out your mom and your grandmother on both sides of your family were hoes. That would mess you up.
Just let them be them. Hoes, keep on being hoes, and thank you!
P.S.- I just read back through this and it is kind of random and scattered, but so what I am posting it as is. Hate on me and say my hair aint luxurious when you know it is! LOL!
Buck,
I love you… when I see you remind me to give you a taste!
“Hate on me and say my hair aint luxurious when you know it is!”
LMAO
“If you are a hoe, you know it. ”
*Nods in agreement*
Buck this whole post was hilarious, thanks!
LMAO @ Buck, this was hilarious.
this whole conversation has made me wonder….
There is a lot of talk about judgment, but to me this topic is like any other. Why when we discuss the definition of h.odom is it passing judgment to give an opinion? Why do we need the back story? When discussing Diddy and Kim did we need a back story? What about the Kwame kilpatrick situation? Why all of a sudden do we need to know motivation, back story, and mental state? In my opinion everyone on this blog passes judgment on something. I mean how can you truly form an opinion without making a judgment. At what point is there a difference in having an opinion and judgment? By definition an opinion and a judgment are the same. So recognize that everyone has their deal and at some point this blog is going to touch on something that will hit a little to close to home for comfort because you reap what you sow so if you were very outspoken on 1 topic that might have made some one else uncomfortable your time is bound to come
I forgot to add.. that is why I visit this blog.. real people, real discussions.
exactly.
Because passing a judgment assumes that one has/will never interact in that way.
Kim and Diddy are public figures. Kwame Kilpatrick is a political figure. They are not my next door neighboor who has gangbangers. I don’t care about my next door neighbor and his/her gangbangers. It has NO EFFECT on me.
I care that P.Diddy because of his skewed common sense can influence a lot more people than my next door neighbor. I care that the mayor of my city lacks judgment, that man is in charge of my garbage pickup budget. It affects me.
All in all, even in those cases, I couldn’t care less. I am just giving you reasons why it might make more sense to give opinions on Kim & Diddy and Kwame Kilpatrick than on my freaky next door neighbor who might get on my nerves because I hear the screams and I ain’t getting none.
(That’s usually the reason for all “She’s a hoe, he’s a hoe” talk anyways.)
Because passing a judgment assumes that one has/will never interact in that way.
NO it doesnt but most often you assume it does when the judgement could quite possible show you in a negative light.
and I am sorry my whole point is that an opinion is judgement. If you dont agree with my opinion and have your own, your view is just an alternative opinion /judgment. The only way to truly not pass judgment is to not have an opinion.
I read about as much as I could (because once again I showed up late to the party)
And basically what I got from everyone’s comments were that you are a farm tool if you had too many partners before the age of 20, have more partners than your man, have lesbian tendencies as a result of being turned out, have any disease, have made a video that may or may not have been released to the media or various media outlets, came from a single parent family and were foolin around at age 12, came from a stable household, had a train pulled on you, were willing to experiment….
Did I leave anything out? Basically because I’ m not a virgin Im a farm tool.
While many of the comments I posted on here were in jest I have to make on serious comment and its in reference to the Kim Kardashian thread. Some women are not at fault (like some of the poster’s previously stated) and get labeled a hoe, some women are out there in monogamous relationships giving their all to their man and then he goes behind her back and cheats and brings diseases into her life, and other children, and exposes their s3x tapes, and then leaves her with a label and now she has to somehow clean it up. So no matter how anyone else views it she’s the hoe.
I think it was BBMo that quoted “do not judge,lest ye be judged”
I used to be one of those people that had the HORRIBLE rep and really didnt deserve it, and felt that I was entitled to judge others based upon my fake rep, then Karma came back at me, and I learned the hard way that judgement is a true Biatch and here I stand battered but not beaten
make of this what you will
IH, I am not sure what the point of what you are saying is. If this topic was about anything else, there would be different views. It happened to be about what constituted hotivity.
I know I made it a point to address what I think are root causes, and yes single parent homes where the parent has to choose between keeping the lights on, or their child in tutoring, can and does contribute to poor choices. Is this a judgement? Absolutlely not. This is reality. Now, do I think that having a train run on you means you are a farm tool? With that information alone, yes I do. It is not cute! If this means I am judging, you can judge me for being a prude, I won’t be mad. Trains also involve varying degrees of rape so I would be irresponsible to co-sign on them in general.
“Basically because I’ m not a virgin Im a farm tool.”
Exaggeration.
In short, people do what they want.I don’t think anyone called anyone out their name today, they provided their opinion. We called men out too, but I already said that personally do not see the point in that. It is my personal belief that sex is more deep than one night stands and trains. I also wish real love for everyone on here:)
do not judge,lest ye be judged
it should be judge wisely because you WILL be judged……
or dont condemn lest ye be condemned
to be more accurate….
I just have to say that being a ho is not okay. Black people have never condoned hodom. Never. Not in Africa, not in the West Indies and not in America. We have hoes in our communities, but we view their lifestyles as destructive. James Baldwin didn’t think hodom was okay. He thought it was a pathology–and rightly so. Rationalizing and justifying ho behavior is seriously some 2520 BS. I swear to goodness, this is why you can’t be sending your children to these liberal arts colleges after living their whole lives in the suburbs being the only one so they can drink the majority’s experimental, destructive @$$ purple Kool Aid and contract the clap and develop a dependency on alcohol and a gd coke habit and various other pathologies that the Others think are rites of passage. IT IS NOT CUTE AND IT IS NOT OKAY.
I feel what you’re saying on this. In my family, a lot of the older black women still equate being loose with 2520′s.
“I swear to goodness, this is why you can’t be sending your children to these liberal arts colleges after living their whole lives in the suburbs being the only one so they can drink the majority’s experimental…”
im in some serious muthafykin trouble…lol..lordie be
I agree Jen, (and I’m mad the kool-aid was purple).
Sex as a rite of passage is probably the worst concept. Especially on prom night. Ugh.
Quote: “…and should it even matter?”
_____________________________________
Is this question for real? OF-FREAKING-COURSE IT MATTERS. *hopefully it does to most people*
There is nothing grosser than a guy or girl who is indiscriminate in their ***ual activity/history.
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