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Game Of Thrones Recap: Season 7, Episode 1 “Dragonstone”

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It’s been a year and three weeks since we last checked in with our favorite cast of casualties. And it seems George R.R. Martin and his homeboys, the showrunners, are bullshitting yet again. I expected an episode packed with misadventure, fighting and fuckery- especially with that cold open. Instead, we watched…exposition. A lot of exposition. It did, however, foreshadow some important shit. Let’s get into it shall we?

The stars of this week’s episode are as follows:

ARYA STARK: Ned Stark’s best and brightest daughter; the King of the North’s cousin; an angst ridden and vengeful teen with shape shifting capabilities.

Now I knew as soon as I saw Walder Frey had gathered all of his wretched kin in a banquet hall, that it was about to be some shit. And while George R.R. Martin loves resurrecting folks, it was unlikely he’d bother bringing back to life an old perverted ass dope who’d already served his narrative purpose. So I figured little Arya and the Many Faced God (MFG) were up to their old tricks. And my God did they have trick for the Freys.

The lesson? If you are going to attempt to do some shit as onerous as unjustifiably killing an entire family — you have to actually kill the entire family. Now no reasonable person left living will allow you to get that off, but in Westorsian society where most people are unreasonable and savagery and lawlessness is rampant, the Freys should have anticipated some over the top form of retribution. As a result, their folly has them writhing in their guts on the floor of the very hall where the massacred the unsuspecting Stark clan years before.

“When people ask you what happened here, tell them the North remembers. Tell them winter came for House Frey.”….BITCH.

Predictions: I guess Arya said fuck puberty. Instead of raging hormones this chick is driven by raging rage. She has no time for typical teenage exploits. She is about the business of righting every wrong committed against her and her family. And for that, I must give her a gold star. It is so easy at her age to be distracted by…shit anything. But her singular focus on avenging her loved ones is to be commended. And according to the previews it looks like my prediction last season might finally be coming to fruition and Arya will be getting some help checking folks off her kill list. Did you witness the snarling and fang-flashing by a certain ferocious, ginormous, fur-covered beast of the canine variety? I sure did! It looks like Arya’s kee kee with the Lannister soldiers in woods of the River Lands is about to be cut short by Nymeria and her goon squad! I cannot wait for this reunion. If she wants to see Cercei, her Frankenbot and the Kingsguard she’ll need all the help she can get.

JON SNOW STARK TARGARYEN: The King of the North; spawn of Rhagar Targaryen and Lyanna Stark; Danerys’s nephew and future husband; noble sourpuss

As Jon begins to speak about reinforcing the defenses of the castles on route to the Walkers’ journey southward, Stupid Sansa opens her mouth and reminds everyone why she spent the last five seasons in captivity — because she doesn’t know shit about shit. Despite not being called on to speak or having an legitimate perspective from which to speak, Sansa takes it upon herself to advise the room. She wants to give the castles to other families who fought along side them against Ramsay. Jon politely informs her that the families presently owning those castles have fought beside the Starks for hundreds of years. Why punish the families for the crimes of a few reckless sons? Rather than dropping the issue, Sansa decides to challenge Jon in front of the lords. Meanwhile, my Lord Balish is lurking in the background looking amused because this is precisely what he wants to happen. Jon tells the room he won’t take the ancestral home from a family. This is his decision to make and his decision is final. As he utters that last bit, he addresses Sansa directly. She lowers her empty head in humiliation after being checked. He then calls the Umber and Karstark families to the front of the room and asks them to pledge their loyalty again. They draw their swords and kneel and pledge loyalty now and always. The room cheers as everyone is feeling inspired and united. Way to go Jon.

After the assembly, Jon and Sansa are still pissy. Sansa feels as Jon’s sister, she is entitled to question him. And of course because she is Sansa, her rationale is devoid of substantiation. Jon explains to her that he has no issue with her questioning him, but she undermined him by doing so in front of his men. Sansa implores him to be smarter than Ned and Robb. She does make a point here, however, she is ill-equipped to advise him in this capacity. Jon knows it too, which is why he asks her how he should be smarter? By listening to her? Hell naw! Their little quarrel is interrupted by a message from Cersei Lannister. It is brief: come to King’s Landing and take a knee or die a traitor’s death. Jon has been so consumed with the imminent threat of annihilation at the hands of the White Walkers he forgot all about that lecherous hussy to the south. Poor Jon, as he ponders the scope of his seemingly bottomless trickbag, he likely senses Sansa is going to be more of a hindrance than a help.

Prediction: Jon has peeped and now has openly called out what the showrunners have been trying to thread into Sansa’s story arc. I guess she is supposed to become Cersei-lite at some point. I mean over the last three seasons we’ve seen the all black dress and darkened tresses while shacking up with Littlefinger, her emerging domineering persona, lying and scheming and newly developed blood thirst (it takes a different kind of chick to watch someone being eaten alive by hounds). When Jon tells her she sounds as though she admires Cersei, Sansa doesn’t disagree, she only says she learned a lot from her. And if she is her mentor, Jon is going to end up either killing Sansa’s ass or banishing her to languish in obscurity some place. This means Jon will also dispense with my fav, Lord Balish. Sad!  Gold star to Jon for calling it like it is and holding fast to his principles. I’ll admit, I wasn’t sure who was going to end up on the Iron Throne but after seeing Jon in action this week, I believe it will be him.

JAIME LANNISTER: Cersei’s twin brother and lover; the one-handed head of the King’s Guard; King Tommen’s father;

Crazy ass Cersei is in the midst of studying a mural of her “empire” when Jaime strolls in. Cersei notes Jaime has been quite since he returned and she questions whether he’s angry with her. Jaime says he isn’t. When she asks if he fears her, he responds with a question of his own…should he? Uh… the answer is unequivocally fuck yes. Cersei is a fucking maniac; the scope of her lunacy as broad as the oceans depicted on the mural on which they both stand, it knows no bounds. While I would not be in the same realm as that bitch, Jaime clearly prefers to keep his enemies close. Cersei looks at the map of the seven kingdoms and surmises they are surrounded by traitors. Jaime listens to her in disbelief. Every enemy she names is one of her own making but nonetheless, she is ready to wage war against all of them. Jaime reminds her that winter is here and they’d be hard pressed to feed their soldiers and horses. You see, the Tyrells have the grain and the livestock. Gold star for Jaime for breaking down the politics of war to this chick. Basically, no one wants to team up with a loser. In this scenario, Danerys looks like a winner. Cersei’s confused; after all she is the queen of the seven kingdoms. But Jaime, sets her straight, informing her she’s the queen of three kingdoms at best. He warns her that she doesn’t realize the amount of danger they’re in. Cersei isn’t concerned with danger though. Keep in mind she is a perpetually reckless wench with little concern for how situations play out after she creates them. So she explains to Jaime that she knows that people who lose die and the winners have a chance to launch a dynasty that could rule for a thousand years. A visibly frustrated and confused Jaime struggles to comprehend who the dynasty could be for, especially since Cersei had a hand in the death of all their children. So she underscores her shortsightedness by retorting that they’ll have a dynasty for themselves. Jaime presses Cersei concerning their lack of allies. They can’t win the war alone. Cersei claims to have learned a thing or two from Tywin…yes the same Tywin who grossly underestimated his son and died while taking a dump and an arrow to the chest. Let’s see what this bitch comes up with…

Next we see a large fleet of tacky ass ships with a non-descript crustacean decal on the sails heading toward King’s Landing. It’s everyone’s favorite crazy uncle, Euron Greyjoy! Cersei tells Jaime she found an ally better than the Freys. Jaime doesn’t follow Cersei’s logic — no surprise there. He knows the Iron Islanders are good for nothings who steal what they can’t make or grow. Plus, they can’t fight. Cersei tells her love struck brother that Euron came there for a queen. Jaime does not like this shit. So that’s the pretext for one of my favorite scenes in the entire fucking series, Jaime and Cersei entertaining Euron at court. The entire exchange is fucking hilarious.  Ever met someone so detestable you actually kind of like them? That’s Euron. Devoid of charm, grace, class, good looks or standing, Euron still has the balls to stroll into throne room and come for Jaime. And I fucking love it. We were treated to a pissing match for the ages.

Here are a few notable quotables for shits and giggles:

Euron: “I must say when you rushed through cutting people down…it was glorious, like a dance.” Jaime: “ the people I was cutting down were your kin.” Euron: “The place was getting crowded, I enjoyed watching it.” Jaime: “I enjoy killing Greyjoys.”

Euron: “…with the iron fleet you could own the seas…” Cersei: “what do you want in return?” Euron, “ever since I was a little boy, I wanted to grow up and marry the most beautiful woman in the world. So here I am with a thousand ships. And two good hands.”

Cersei: “I decline your proposal…you’re not trustworthy…you murdered your own brother.” Euron: “You should try it. It feels wonderful.”

LMFAO. I was heartbroken when Euron left the room.

Predictions: Jamie and Euron will eventually come to blows. One will certainly have to kill the other. Cersei can’t have them both, there isn’t enough room in her life for all three of their egos. My money is on Jaime, even though he has one good hand. Unless, Euron comes back with Tyrion, a dragon or some other high value prize, then Cersei might just kick Jaime to the curb.

HONORABLE MENTIONS

Meera Reed: Kudos to Meera for dragging Bran’s ass across the tundra to the wall. She deserves a little R&R. Sadly, she’ll soon be making another run for it. As soon as Bran crossed the wall, his tainted ass rendered the magic protecting it from the undead useless. The Night’s King will be only his way soon. And if Bran’s vision is any indication of what’s to come, they are fucked. They’ve added a few giants to their hit squad. Shit is looking pretty dismal for Westeros.

Lady Mormont: Kudos to Lady Mormont for once again checking the other lords and riding for Jon Snow Stark Targaryen. I hope that she is rewarded with some official advisory role in this new monarchy. I nominate her to be his hand.

The Hound: Who says you can’t teach an old dog new tricks? The Hound has been practically transformed. Just a few years prior he was roaming around the countryside with a hostage, robbing and beating those who took him in. Now he’s found the lord and a conscious. Kudos to the Hound for turning his life around.

Samwell Tarley: Poor Sam is moonlighting as an orderly in the Citadel infirmary, scrubbing the shit pans of the sick and the shut in. Yuck! But Sam is undaunted by his shitty circumstances. He is determined to find out how to defeat the White Walkers. Kudos to Sam for stealing a key to a library room accessible only to maesters, and finding the sugar in the shit!

 

Carcetti Littlefinger

Carcetti Littlefinger primarily resides in beautiful Southern California where she makes a living as a developer and producer of content for television. A few of the series she’s developed and/or produced have aired on Lifetime, WEtv and Bravo. Known for her extraordinary wit and general indifference toward the things that matter to most, she has been writing since she mastered the use of a giant pencil in kindergarten.

  • MsSula

    You didn’t see the dragons? They were there!!!

    Most first episodes are about setting things up. And I believe this episode did that and did it REALLY well. All this exposition is key to what may come. I thoroughly enjoyed the slow pace.

    My favorite review so far http://blacknerdproblems.com/game-of-thrones-recap-dragonstone/

    • This is a short season, though. There is a lot to be resolved in the next 6 episodes. I hope this doesn’t end like the Sopranos.

      • Illumina

        Well there are usually at least 2 mediocre eps a season, so I think we should be good.

        Hopefully they’ll tie up the Iron throne bullshit this season and move on to the night king.

      • MsSula

        Nah… I think it will escalate quickly with a few more exposition episodes in the middle to make it all nice and tidy.

      • Yahmo Bethere

        Hush yo mouth. Don’t stop believin’ that it will be epic.

    • Kullervo

      This laid me out:

      “Bruh…Euron sailed across the whole damn sea to show up in King’s Landing looking like he used to play second guitar for an indie rock band and used to date the woman that the lead singer now dates, before he got kicked out the group when he stopped showing up for rehearsals and came to their Riverlands headliner show late cuz he was doing coke off the back of a freefolk roadie that bragged about seeing a giant before.”

      • MsSula

        So many quotables yo! When I got to this: “Whole damn crew lookin’ Westerosi Elle Magazine Fashion preview. ” I was laid out and gone.

        • CozyVon

          OKAY? I was thinking to myself, “Well damn, the crew got new, upgraded Targaryen 2.0 uniforms for the occasion and are coordinating for the GODS, lol!

      • CozyVon

        YES! William Evans perfectly illustrated what was I was thinking during that scene (i.e. “why does Euron look like he need an intervention??”)–but in a much more hilarious way, lol.

      • Yahmo Bethere

        A damn fool!

        Seriously, Euron’s outfit looks like something I’d wear in my skinny clubbing days.

    • cedriclathan

      Mo betta!

    • Cleojonz

      I always look for black nerd problems re-cap. It is absolutely the most entertaining. They take too long to post though lol.

      • CozyVon

        Yes, the BNP recaps have me on the floor, lol–especially this one!

        • Simms~

          Listen, I snort-laughed my way through the BNP recap.

        • Janelle Doe

          “you just ain’t Throning™”
          BOL

    • YeaSoh

      Thank you for this!

  • Junegirl627

    Arya Stark is my spirit animal. “If you leave one wolf none are sheep are safe” #BARZZZ #Facts #TRUE

    • Janelle Doe

      when I read the books I felt like Sansa was the one most likely to be in a sleeper cell
      ;-)

      • Book Sansa would *tell* you she’s in a sleeper cell and the names of everyone *in* that sleeper cell #sheneverseestraps

  • Yeah, Arya is always about to start a party. I wonder ig her and the hound will ever get together again. They were a fun little duo. Sansa should learn a thing or two but it is definitely gonna end with her killing Jon and taking over the north.

    • mr. steal your costco samples

      Jon got plot armor for days son

      • It’s gonna be rough when he dies…again.

  • Val

    Carcetti Littlefinger is a very memorable name.

    • cysinblack

      Of course you were able to recognize this quickly.

      • Val

        How long should it take to recognize a memorable name?

        • cysinblack

          My way of saying you’ll recognize an attractive woman immediately.

          • Val

            Just talking about her name.

            • cysinblack

              Okay.

  • mr. steal your costco samples

    More Euron and Cersei, please.

    “hey lil mama what you know about it?”
    “I decline your proposal.”

    DEAD

    Incidentally, any of y’all catching the new Twin Peaks?

    • I heard it is good but I’m still catching up on so much other stuff. I really need to catch up on American Gods.

      • mr. steal your costco samples

        it is exceptionally good. i was too young for the first run but this one is CRAY

        • The old ones are a lot of fun, too.

          • mr. steal your costco samples

            i like them, especially the first and last episodes and everything involving Ray Wise

      • CozyVon

        American Gods is weird AF–and I’m here for it.

        • Shadow Moon is just *signal lost*

    • Illumina

      I only want to see Cersei die and I think it will be by Jamie.

      Euron was hilarious. “And I got two hands.” People aint even pretending about Jamie and Cersei anymore.

      • MsSula

        “People aint even pretending about Jamie and Cersei anymore”

        Like not at all. And it’s hilarious.

        • DizzyLizzyGyal

          ATALL. Folks likely held their tongue before out of respect for Tywin, he’s gone now sooooo it’s all out there lol

        • All thanks to all the letters Stannis mailed to anyone who could read!

    • Brooklyn_Bruin

      Euron was getting in them subliminals.
      Kill your brother, its fun
      Two hands..

      The last good episode of twin peaks was the origin of BOB. These past two eps have tied up some dangling threads but Dougie needs to end.

      • mr. steal your costco samples

        man this last episode was decent. Dougie’s O-face had me HOWLING. And then a bunch of women got beaten and/or murdered, so that was less great.

        i’m needing to know more about these woodsmen cats

        • Brooklyn_Bruin

          I guess I’m getting soft, or going 4:44 as the kids say, but I’m not here for violence against women.

          I know Lynch loves that stuff, or loves to explore those themes or if you want to be charitable, but no insight was gained, no plot moved forward.

          We did learn that evil Cooper was behind the glass box, so that ties up some plot threads.

          • mr. steal your costco samples

            yeah it’s more than a little repellent. I’m curious to see what they do with Richard Horne — I’m betting he gets the windom earle super-soul murder treatment

  • CozyVon

    Well, hold on, now. True, Sansa still got a lot of vapid ig’nant-ness to work off before I look at her sideeye-free–but as her backup DID save Jon & them during the Battle of the Bastards (which she really didn’t get credit for), her input does hold some weight. She should’ve expressed it in private, though–not all up in front of everybody.

    • Maybe if Sansa had told Jon about the possibility of the Vale army arriving Jon would have delayed the battle and Rickon would still be alive. I think Sansa should feel free to talk to Jon anyway she wants..in private. She’s not exactly distinguished herself as the Stark brain trust.

      • If Rickon knew how to make a cut instead of running forward he would still be alive.

        • CozyVon

          OKAY??? All through the scene we were screaming at the TV like, “DUDE! At least zig-zag or something, damn!” All that running-straight shyt…oh, well.

          • Westeros Darwinism at it’s finest.

        • Cleojonz

          Every time I think of this episode I think of Leslie Jones hollering serpentine! https://uploads.disquscdn.com/images/56bf967774e0f09677fbb29d08a7889df29c0ae8b487754655b8847b4fa9134f.jpg

        • Again, not against a *sky full* of arrows.

          • That was one guy. One. Guy.

            • One guy with an entire army of archers behind him if he missed his shot at the kid.

              • If they had their game up that good, they should have won.

                • They were winning until the Vale army flanked them.

                  • It was dark for a moment. I will give you that.

      • Brooklyn_Bruin

        Trust Little Finger?
        Not even Jon is that dumb.
        Little Finger is the dude you appoint to bring extra ketchup to the party, cause he can’t be trusted with anything else.

        • She still should have told her brother and commander of the Army that she was asking for LF’s help.

          • Brooklyn_Bruin

            What would that have gotten Jon? Ramsay still would have played him.

            • Maybe, maybe not but if that were anyone else who knew that an army might be coming to assist and didn’t tell their leader, there would be some unpleasant consequences and repercussions. It wasn’t Sansa’s decision to make.

      • Cleojonz
        • Illumina

          Good point.

        • If I were a cynical sort I might agree that as a true born Stark male, Rickon was also ahead of both Sansa and Jon in the line for Winterfell inheritance. Sansa’s actions got Rickon killed and almost put paid to Jon as well.Well with all the Stark males and their loyalists dead who does that leave as the Lady of Winterfell? But I’m sure that wasn’t her intention, was it….

          • Well with Bran alive and back in Westereos, Winterfell goes to him now. Let’s see if Sansa falls back…

    • Illumina

      Agreed.

      And Sansa also said something that was very important: Jon needs to be smarter than her brother and her father.

      Let’s be real: the Starks men are honorable as f u c k, but stupid as h e l l. You need to learn how to plan the game.

      • Yahmo Bethere

        I nodded myself into vertigo at that line.

        Bumpkin and p hound got that family late.

  • Skegeeaces

    Game of Thrones should really be called “Everything Is Bran’s Fault”.

    • Diego Duarte

      Or “Everybody hates Bran”.

      • Skegeeaces

        I like yours better.

    • Yahmo Bethere

      I swear he’s the Night King.

  • skinnynow

    I think I’m in the minority who thinks Sansa is the biz. She wasn’t wrong that the families that were supposed to ride with the Starks and backed Ramsey should be punished. Where were those folks when Ramsey was beating the crap out of Sansa? Neither choice was good, but Jon should at least consider her advice.

    And speaking of, Jon’s not a politician…just like his uncle/daddy Ned Stark. Sansa is. She learned from the best politician in the kingdoms: Littlefinger.

    The problem is both of them want to compete in the oppression Olympics without understanding both of them are competing in different events–war and politics. This is where Davos will come in handy. Because dude knows both. And unlike Littlefinger, you’re less likely to get a knife to your throat for not listening to him.

    • Illumina

      Jon has got to be smarter or he is going to end up dead….again.

      • skinnynow

        agreed. wholeheartedly.

      • Brooklyn_Bruin

        WisenupJon!

      • PourAShotinMeGlass

        He’s a wight by latest theory

    • But Sansa agreed to marry Ramsay Bolton, the son of the man who killed her brother. Was that smart? =)
      Sansa hasn’t been in charge of anything. Jon has.
      I’m not saying that Sansa doesn’t have some useful perspectives but she doesn’t yet have Jon’s experience in leading people.

      • skinnynow

        jon doesn’t have jon’s experience in leading people. dude can motivate an army like no other, but he’s not the brightest bulb in terms of diplomacy and how these other families work. sansa’s been entrenched in that nonsense since she left the crib.

        • Jon has run the Night’s Watch, re-unified the North, spent time undercover with the Free Folk, led battles against the Free Folk and managed to turn the Free Folk from foes to friends. And he was just as trained in Northern diplomacy as Sansa was, more so since he was able to spend more time with Ned. Nothing against Sansa but she’s been a damsel in distress until very recently. She knows Cersei.

          • skinnynow

            fair point. they’re both good with people they know. if only they’d listen to one another.

          • GenevaGirl

            Yes, AND he fell for Ramsay’s trick with Rickon. He leads with his heart sometimes not his brain.

        • Illumina

          Getting killed by your own men usually means you need to work on your leadership skills.

          • MsSula

            Or that you are indeed a genius for leading this type of dumbfcuks for so long and nobody noticed.

            • Illumina

              Jon was raised by Ned Stark and leads his life by a certain code. He was (is?) very naive. He expected people to understand his decisions were for the greater good and go with it. But they didn’t, and he was killed because of it.

              • MsSula

                Yup. He was leading a bunch of stupid mofos.

                • Leading people who let their hatred of the Wildlings not let them hear of the world ending danger that Jon was trying to prepare them to face? Sure sounds a lot like certain voter segments under a certain former American president…oh, what’s that I hear on the wind? *The wind whispers Obamacare *

        • Sansa hasn’t been entrenched in anything except being abused by Joffrey and then Ramsey. People forget that the only thought in Sansa’s mind when the show started was marrying a prince and being a princess and that it was her betrayal of Ned’s plan to Cersei that killed her family. If she was so entrenched in politics from the get go, she should have known the cost of her open disagreement in front of their fellow houses; she would have known the importance of keeping her father’s counsel and not blabbing to outsiders – especially those named Lannister.

          • LuckBALady

            Thank you!!! Keep your mouth shut!! She just telling family business so she could marry the future king. I haven’t felt sorry for her since. My Momma told me to keep my mouth closed about what went on in her house. That included not repeating her plans. And I still live by that.

      • Brooklyn_Bruin

        Did she really agree?

        • skinnynow

          i don’t think she did. he told her that he was making a marriage arrangement, but i don’t think she found out who until they rode up with the flayed man on their banners. also, she didn’t have a choice. women don’t have choices in who they marry in westeros.

          • She could have also blown up Littlefinger’s lie when the lords of the Vale questioned her about Lysa’s death.

        • She chose to turn down Brienne’s offer of assistance and marry Ramsay, yes.

          • Brooklyn_Bruin

            Those girls that R Kelly signed up also agreed.

          • Illumina

            But she didn’t know Brienne at the time. Yeah, I’m definitely going to leave with someone I don’t know instead of staying with the person that I do.

            Her mistake (and Littlefingers), was believing that Roose had any kind of control over Ramsay.

            • MsSula

              And she didn’t know Ramsay was batsh!t crazy? They all grew up in the North I am sure she had heard things.

            • Her mistake was trusting Littlefinger, period – after he told her trust no one. She believed Littlefinger and never once questioned where his knowledge came from.

        • Penelope

          Nice catch. She did not.

    • mr. steal your costco samples

      My man Jon should definitely have given the Mormonts the Dreadfort at least

      • skinnynow

        agreed. someone’s gotta take that joint over.

      • Yahmo Bethere

        I get that he wanted to keep the Karstarks from rebelling and becoming wight fodder. It would have been cool to see Lady Mormont ruling the Dreadfort too.

    • Brooklyn_Bruin

      Jon stay on some honorable stuff, and Sansa was being political in two ways. The first is obvious. The second is undermining his command. The homie Little Finger is pulling strings through the new player.

      • Illumina

        Are you saying that Littlefinger is pulling Sansa’s strings? If so, I don’t agree.

        • Brooklyn_Bruin

          He planted the seeds, and she’s being Sansa. Chaos ladder in the North only benefits my boy.

        • Cleojonz

          I think she knows all to well not to trust him, but Sansa being Sansa, if he just says certain key words, planting the seeds he sends her in the direction he wants her to go in.

          • MsSula

            That’s the problem with Sansa. We don’t quite know how important this growth of hers has been. I need her to prove herself a little bit more.

            • Ms. Sula, I try so hard to keep my side-eyes to a minimum whenever dealing with TV Sansa because I see so much of Book Sansa in her and quite plainly, I *detest* Book Sansa >___<

    • bigheadbaby

      Sansa is living in the past. She is the last of the Starks to wise up, they kept her so dumb and vicitimized for so long on this show. She is coming into her own and is indeed very smart. She is still bitter about all the wrongs committed against her and her family. She has a right to be bitter, but this is blinding her to the fact that there is a bigger battle to be fought. She still fighting the little battles. I understand why, but I think she needs to wise up that they all are going to perish if they don’t unite, they don’t have time to play payback game at this juncture.

      • MsSula

        Agreed 100%.

      • The thing too is that Sansa *knows* what she did to her own family -that because she told Cersei that Ned was taking his family back home to Winterfell, she was the direct cause of getting the Stark vassals slaughtered by Jaime and Ned being imprisoned. The TV show never shows her dealing with any of that fall out so when I see her snapping at Jon for not keeping Winterfell safe it feels shallow to me.

    • MsSula

      “Neither choice was good, but Jon should at least consider her advice.”

      That was not advice though. That was opposition in front of his subjects. If she really didn’t have an agenda, she would have not openly undermined his authority and pushed him into a rush-decision corner.

      I agree that Jon needs to keep his eyes and ears open, and his brain and heart on the ready, but the way Sansa went about it was very littlefinger-ish.

      She think she grown, but if we have learned anything from Westerosi wisdom is that while evil keeps you alive (See Cersei), honour and loyalty protect your family (see Ned Stark)

      • skinnynow

        I agree to a point. We don’t know what happened before the scene, but my guess is he didn’t seek her council before making that decision. We also don’t know if he thanked her for calling the Knights of the Vale (which he should do).

        I think Sansa’s walking a thin line between evil and honor. I think she’s been through a lot and is in survival mode, but she still wants to keep her family close.

        Jon should definitely take her and Davos on as advisors. Jon’s been north far too long. He doesn’t know how the rest of the kingdom really works. And he’s got blinders (for good reason) in regard to the white walkers.

        He’s not a great politician. He’s a great general. When the war is over, he’s gonna need her help to lead. They just need to start listening to each other.

        • MsSula

          Problem is the rest of the kingdom doesn’t matter at this point. To me, that’s the whole point GRRM is trying to make: while y’all are fighting your petty, small and selfish little stupid wars for an uncomfortable as all the fcuks throne, there is a GREATER threat that will all need to unite against.

          But they don’t hear him though. Case in point: Syria.

        • Yahmo Bethere

          My workmode kicked in after their balcony chat. He needs to brief Davos and Sansa (Brienne if necessary) before meeting with the Northmen/women.

  • KeciB

    As a friend of mine pointed out, it was cute how Euron was able to build a thousand ship so quickly with no trees and make it to Kind’s Landing.

    • mr. steal your costco samples

      that’s all these iron islands dudes know how to do though

    • Brooklyn_Bruin

      Look at the baby in the Citadel, they had plenty of time apparently

      • KeciB

        But a 1000?

        • Brooklyn_Bruin

          Didn’t look like 1,000 on the show. But trying to find construction realism in a show with dragons seems really nitpicky.

          GRRM plays fast and loose with time in the books as well

          • KeciB

            I’m not actually looking for realism. My initial comment was said in jest.

    • MsSula

      Yara and Greyjoy only took half the fleet. And like Bruin pointed out, a great deal of time seems to have passed

      • KeciB

        I think they took the majority and there is some confusion as to how many there exactly were but I’m still not buying it.

  • JH

    In all seriousness, why exactly do folks hate Sansa? It takes a bad beeyotch to survive Joffrey AND Ramsay. No one else has suffered that much. She knows how Westeros works and has her own vengeance list. Didn’t nobility and principles get Ned, Robb AND Catelyn murked? Trust in the treacherous is what put Winterfell in the hands of trash-azz Theon Greyjoy. Granted, that nobility is why I’m House Stark to the end, but she is right — there’s principled and then there is dumb. She’s also right about Cersei. Yes, the Night King is coming with the undead. No, the wall will not protect them (thanks Bran). But if you think that makes crazy-azz Cersei less of a threat, then you haven’t been paying attention!

    • CozyVon

      In the beginning, it was because she was SOOOO vapid & weak, all “Oh, King Joffrey” no matter how much fuckboi fuckery he heaped on her, to the point of turning her back on her fam just so she could have him “like” her, etc. But she’s starting to become hip to things (I’d hope so, after all she’s gone through)–so I don’t dislike her AS much anymore…it’s kind of a, “Okay Sansa, I see you…” and waiting to see how she turns out.

    • PourAShotinMeGlass

      Folks still see her as naive and haven’t forgiven her for inviting little finger and not telling John. What she said made sense in light of the fact she has not seen the ability of the Nights King

    • Diego Duarte

      1- It’s her fault her dad, family and bannermen got killed because she entirely sold them off to Cersei just because she was fantasizing about Joffrey.

      2- She keeps on being roped into these ridiculous positions through very bad choices and decisions of her own agency.

      3- Despite this she feels entitled to give others advice on how to deal with these types of situations.

      Sansa is the typical damsel in distress, except half as useful. Now she fancies herself some sort of Cersei. Nope, not going to count on her to dispose of the Lannisters. My money is on the smarter sibling: Arya.

      • PourAShotinMeGlass

        I disagree with the last point. Ramsay has taught her a hard lesson

        • Diego Duarte

          Hopefully so, she’s gotten plenty of Starks killed before. Also, not very sure if we should add Rickon to that count given that she didn’t tell Jon about Littlefingers ambush. Though I’ll give her the benefit of the doubt on that.

      • JH

        How on earth is it her fault Ned was killed? That makes no sense. Also, most of the things that happened to Sansa were exactly not through her own agency — that is kind of the point. She learned quick fast that a high-born woman in Westeros has no agency, or at least, the options available are always terrible but you choose the ones that will allow you to stay alive. I get that people hated her flighty, super girliness in the beginning, but she was a kid (what 12?) and raised to be exactly what she was.

        • Diego Duarte

          It’s her fault that Ned was killed because, if you remember correctly, Ned was planning on having her and Arya sent back to Winterfell for protection once he started finding out how deep Cersei’s political control was.

          She became super pissy about it because she felt this would ruin her chances to be Joffrey’s queen and immediately snitched on him to Cersei nonetheless. Knowing full well what Ned’s moves were Cersei was able to anticipate him and screw him over severely.

          • skinnynow

            She didn’t know she couldn’t trust Cersei. All she knew was that she was ‘in love’ with Joffrey. And Ned didn’t tell her why he was sending them back. Sansa and Jon both even said in this episode that they Ned always tried to keep the dark aspects of his life away from his girls.

            • Diego Duarte

              That is a better suggestion. Just send their azzes back without telling them why. In hindsight it works. However this whole “being in love with Joffrey” merits some serious side-eye from her after Joffrey tortured the butcher’s boy in front of her and had Lady killed.

              • skinnynow

                Cersei had Lady killed.

                But Joffrey showed hints at sadism early on. But when you’re 13 and and ‘in love’, your spidey senses are out of whack.

            • Junegirl627

              But she had no loyalty. It don’t matter if she knew what was going on she was sneaking and snitched out her father to get what she wanted.

              • skinnynow

                eh, i still say she was 13 and was ‘lovedrunk.’ i’m not saying it’s right. i’m saying she was young and stupid.

                she was loyal to her family but she also thought this was the one time she would be able to choose her mate. she didn’t know he was a sociopath.

                • And that’s the other thing she didn’t choose Joffrey. She had no power to right? Since as a feudal society it was her Dad who was going to find a match for her.

              • Thank you! The Tully House words are “family, duty, honor”; the Stark House words are “winter is coming”. Just on the *strength* of those two words, and her dad telling both her and Arya that “we’ve come to a dangerous place”, she should have kept her dumb feelings to herself.

      • Illumina

        On your point 1 – I’m not going to blame a 13 yo for acting like a 13yo. It anything Ned was stupid for not getting their azzez out of King’s Landing before showing his hand. You grab your kids and go. You tell their butts why later.

        • Diego Duarte

          Your suggestion has some merit, but think about the implications of that. Cersei was trying to kill Robert (and eventually succeeded). How would that have looked? What would’ve stopped Cersei from declaring them traitors and sending troops to the North to apprehend them. In my perspective he was screwed either way and he needed to deal with her in order to secure himself and his children.

          • Illumina

            So you’re saying an adult couldn’t have figured a way out of the situation, but the child should have known better. ???

            Ned did not know how to play the game and he lost his head because of it.

            • Diego Duarte

              Ned figured out a way out of it: investigate, tell Robert and, in the meantime, protect his children by sending them back to Winterfell.

              Where his plan failed was:

              1- He was too merciful and instead of going straight to Robert he went to Cersei and recommended she flee Westeros.

              2- He told Sansa he was sending her back to the North.

              3- He trusted Little Finger against his better judgement.

          • Epsilonicus

            Ned could have fled North. Lannisters would have came for him and the entire North would have risen yup. That would not have ended well for the Lannisters.

    • Brooklyn_Bruin

      I like Sansa for the record.
      She is obviously learning and learning from her mistakes.

    • Rastaman

      Sansa is like Ashanti, with all the sht that happened at Murder Inc., none of us are left with the feeling that Ashanti was anything more than a survivor. That don’t mean you are going now seek her counsel on how to best deal with Wanksters.

      • MsSula

        Bwahahahaha! I love that analogy a little bit too much.

      • Cleojonz

        This is a pretty awesome analogy lol.

      • arikahouseStark

        She could have left Kingslanding where her dad told her too but she was being a twit. she really is the dumbest besides Reckon who didn’t know how to zig and zag. Also I know this point maybe in the minority but the Vale is their cousins castle!!! So I would expect my cousin to come help me out (sans little finger)

    • I don’t hate her. She’s just not as smart as she thinks she is. And in show at least she appears to have some resentment that Jon is running things, not her. If I were Jon I would also be a little nervous about having a mostly unblooded Army (The Vale) which doesn’t report to me running around the North.

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