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Friday Funday: How Does YOUR Mind Work?

P-I-M-P-ology, biologically, learning these tricks biology and obviously well. Yeah, that's that math.

Let’s see, if I use P-I-M-P-ology, biologically, learning these tricks biology and obviously well. Yeah, that’s that math.

I want to try something. You know here at VSB we genuinely like to get to know everybody who posts here. It seems like the most popular commenting days here have always been the ones where folks talk about deal-breakers and the ones where we ask folks to talk about themselves. And since it’s Friday we’re gonna do just that.

It’s no secret that I tend to be the stream of consciousness writer here at VSB HQz. You want to know how my mind works, well, generally speaking every post is exactly how my mind works, in order. But what if I reaaaaaaaally let you in. Like just started out with a sentence and then let ‘er rip for a solid, well how every many words I ended up writing.

Here’s the catch…I want you all to do the same. Let’s call it an exercise in mental stimulation and, well, let’s see what your mind is up to. Now you don’t have to write as much as I’m about to write. Hell, I have no idea how much I’m about to write. But if I give you a starting sentence, where will you take it. No kidnap.

Deal? Cool.

Allons-y.

I’m going to randomly make up an intro and then I’m going to run with it.

————–

So I walk outside and a squirrel runs right into my path like he owns the place except he and I both know he doesn’t since I play the mortgage at my home and unless the rules of nature are different than I think they are, animals don’t pay mortgage…or rent, though that would be a hell of a way to make extra money for city coffers even if it is mostly impossible to make animals pay rent since Jordin Sparks wasn’t sure how she was supposed to breathe with no air I’m not sure how an animal pays rent with no wallet…though, wouldn’t it be kind of f*cked up if animals did have real, authentic, like snakeskin wallets…then again, circle of life and what not since animals are outchea feeding on other animals wholesale so perhaps its not as morbid and animalcide as I was going to make it out to be. Gazelles get got you know and sometimes you just have to let the animal kingdom cook. I’m sure that’s a pun. In fact I know it’s a pun. PUN. <—- Look. Big Pun. He was a really good rapper even if he basically had to punch in his vocals over the course of what probably felt like a million hours due to Pun’s inability to stay awake in the vocal booth. He was the opposite of Stay Woke Dog, which actually would be a good name for a movie about a superhero dog named “Stay Woke” whose only super power was his amazing awareness so he’d traipse into communities and “wake them up” with his amazing awareness and ability to open the eyes of the people. You know what, I think I just stumbled on the premise for The Animal Matrix. Instead of a red or blue pill, it would be like Alpo or Science Diet and instead of pods, animals were stuck i dog houses. Why do I keep talking about animals? I don’t know. Why aren’t you talking about them more? That’s the real question. Martin had a dream. Kendrick had a dream. Not Perkins though. Yo, real talk, Kendrick Perkins is like the oldest under-30 year old on the planet. If you told me he was 57 right now I’d believe you. Not quite in the way folks believe in Jesus or faith or anything, but definitely enough to not question you further or even care really since everybody hurts sometimes. Also, everybody’s somebody’s everything. Which is totally true if you didn’t know which means – now – that if you don’t know, now you know, though I guess technically that by the time I said “if you don’t know” you already knew because I already told you. It’s one of those play on words that never quite made much sense JUST LIKE you can’t have your cake and eat it too. This never made sense to me. It should be, you can’t eat your cake and have it too because that makes sense but noooooooooooooooo somebody had to go all Captain Kirk on these hoes and put phrases all out of order which reminds me of my jeep, because I wanna ride it. Speaking of Jeeps. I put my car in the shop yesterday and ordered me a little compact car but the rental place ran out of compacts so they upgraded me for free to a 4-door Jeep Wrangler Sport and I pimped that bad boy out for the day I had it because that’s what Brian Boitano’d do. At this point, I have no idea what even started this excercise but I guarantee that Shaun T was involved. Insanity. Vinsanity. And where the hell is Vin Baker? I say, somebody give me a number 2 pencil cuz they testin’.

/fin

I have no idea what I wrote in there or why. I do know that i gave myself 5 minutes to type and that’s what happened. The mind of a brilliant man. Maybe it says nothing about me. Maybe it says everything. Who knows. But its how my mind works.

So…take that first bold sentence up there and WATCH ME WORK let me know how your mind works. Also, it can be 10 words. Or 20. It need not be 600. I just want to know what happens to you when a squirrel walks in your path. In the words of great philosopher king Cam’ron, “let me know”. And yes, its as ridiculous as possible because we need to see where folks go with ridiculousness.

It’s community day here at VSB. Join in. Have fun. Give it a whirl.

Oh, and if that doesn’t work for you, use this opening:

Every now and then I wish I was a tree because…. (I’d have a field day with this one)

Tiddy sprinkles.

-VSB P aka THE ARSONIST aka GIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIRL HE A 3

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  • Tonja (aka Cheeks)

    I don’t wanna do the squirrel one because I have a traumatizing story about squirrels (I wrote about it once on my now defunct blog, it was hilarious. I may tell it again one day. But not now because… – SQUIRREL.)

    Totally doing the tree one. Which squirrels live in too. You ain’t slick with your squirrel agendas, P.

    Oh. The story. Ok.

    Everyone now and then I wish I was a tree because they get to die and come back all THOUGHT YOU SEEN THE LAST OF ME, OOPS POW SURPRISE BISH, just slaying with its foliage. Trees are like the Met Gala of nature. In fact, if I were a tree at the Met Gala I’d come dress in a woodsman outfit just to be controversial to other trees. Like… post-racial. Which doesn’t and will never exist. Colorblind deez. Just had this convo with my sister. But back to trees. Y’all ever saw that Terrence Malik film, “Tree of Life?” I wanna kinda see it because though he ain’t everyone’s cup of tea, I am one of the few people who seriously enjoyed “New World” because it was visually beautiful and the soundtrack was flawless. That make you see sounds kinda score. I want some chai tea right now, which I’ve been pronouncing with a hard K sound for years until I realized it’s not like that. I though that way was fancier but whatever. You know what word pronunciation really tripped me up tho? Acai. I heard that lady on TV say some “ah-sah-yee” and my entire inner self imploded. Which couldn’t have literally happened if I’m typing this right now. Because science. Osmosis. And tree. Which is a really cute baby way of saying “three.” Panama is a 3.

    Ok I think that was 5 min, I meant to put my timer on but got distracted by the squirrel.

    That was fun. Friday. Happy.

    • nillalatte

      Did you know that ‘chai’ in Arabic means tea? Therefore, when people say ‘chai tea’ they are saying ‘tea tea.’ LOL I’d do the same thing if I didn’t know that chai means tea. I find it amusing now. :)

      • @Ms. Nillalatte:
        Indeed! But, it goes further:

        Chai is more or less “native” to India, where it has truly taken on a character of its own, and for which it has become associated throughout the world. Question: how many Muslims are in Indian society, and where are they located most geographically in the country?

        O.

      • veryaveragebrotha

        while we’re at it…people need to know that sahara means desert….so please stop with ‘the sahara desert’.

        • Ah, the Sahara…where I stayed at in my Honeymoon in Vegas. :)

          • IcePrincess

            Ain’t it demolished now? The casino, not your marriage. Actually both lmao ;)

            • Yep. They tore it down a year or two ago. It was a nice place, plus it was the last of the Rat Pack casinos. It felt historic, or at least as historic as a place like a Vegas Casino can be.

              • IcePrincess

                I used to like their buffet

              • Jay

                I lived in Vegas for about 5 months. The coolest parts of Vegas aren’t the bright shiny new casinos… I mean you see them once just to say you’ve seen them. The coolest spots are the old kinda aged casinos that are still a bit seedy or the less popular casinos that are off the strip. You can just feel the aura of old Vegas in them. The Sahara was one of these. Didn’t know it was gone.

                • Exactly. For one, the older casinos have better cheap food options and better odds. I remember visiting Ellis Island just off the strip, and you could order a nice meal for cheaper than Panera. Also, even Las Vegas needs a sense of place, of tradition, if that makes sense.

                  • Jay

                    When I lived in Vegas the old heads used to always say that Vegas was the ONLY place in the world where you could get a 4.99 steak and lobster buffet. I never found said buffet. They probably only got that with a senior discount I’m guessing…

                    • I wouldn’t go with buffet, but I saw with my own eyes steak and lobster entrees for the same price as a Mickey Dees extra value meal. They might be exaggerating, but they aren’t too far off from the truth.

    • Suprise bish! LMAO I need to watch AHS now.

  • miss t-lee

    So I walk outside and a squirrel runs right into my path…

    no.

    • nillalatte

      Party pooper!

      • miss t-lee

        And now you see how my mind works…lol
        Surprises–no bueno.

        • *cancels telegram*

          • miss t-lee

            Telegram, eh?
            So retro.

    • PaddyfotePrincess

      Lmao. I had the same thought.

      • miss t-lee

        Already!

    • panamajackson

      I’m not saying you hate love. but its possible.

      • miss t-lee

        I’ve been accused of many things…lol

  • nillalatte

    You think like I surf the net; from one subject to another to another with no real intent in mind. Just sopping up the knowledge and the “well, I’ll be damns” of the jewels we find.

    I walked outside and a squirrel ran right into my path. He was a bold little sucker. Suckers, how many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie roll? Licks? Nope, not going there and don’t you either. Well, okay, if you must. :D Just like a squirrel trying to get nuts. Nuts? Trees. Did someone says something about a tree? In a forest? I rather enjoy the forest. But, really what lives in the forest besides trees? Sasquatch! Used to Sasquatch lived in the California forests. Now er’body see Sasquatch all over the place, even in TX. TX?! The place that no one who looks to be a Sasquatch or a Chupacabra for that matter would freely choose to live. Why I am finding the most evasive, ugly, scariest, fictional characters of forests to write about when I started out with a cute, little, fury squirrel?

    (Note: true story. I had a pet squirrel when I was young. 2 in fact. My grandfather cut down a tree on his farm and found 4 baby squirrels in a nest. My sis and I raised them to adulthood and set them free in the backyard. You know, so they could find their own nuts. BOL)

    #squirrelselfie

    • @Ms. Nillalatte:
      Actually, that would be, “How many licks does it take to get the center of a Charms’ Tootsie Pop?” – which was definitively answered by Prof. Owl – “the wisest of all the animals”.

      It was one of my favorite adverts as a lad growing up. :)

      O.

      http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LZ0epRjfGLw

      • IcePrincess

        OMG!! So you’re my age, give or take! I KNEW you weren’t 875 yrs old :)

        • LMNOP

          Ice, you remember how those commercials had a old-timely look to them though? That’s because they actually were old and they’d been playing them forever.

          • IcePrincess

            Oh. You prolly rite. Lol

          • They been playing that same Cadbury egg commercial my whole life

            • IcePrincess

              That bunny is the cutest!

            • Joel

              And that Corona commercial at Christmas with the one palm tree with the Christmas lights in it.

        • @Ms. IcePrincess:
          ;)

          By the way: over at my place, we’re having a discussion about “May-December” pairings, and I’d very much like to get your and the rest of the ladies’ response; I’ll post it up in the next comment.

          Stand by…

          • Obsidian says:
            May 30, 2014 at 6:15 am (Edit)
            @Sfcton 285:
            ” There are lots of angles to play. Just be exciting some how. Damn near everything that works against you will work for you if you play it right with the right kind of girls. I’d avoid anything that looks like you are leading with your wallet. And day game. You’re “creepy” if you hit on them in a bar or push for a ONS( though you need to act as if calling it a night is your idea not hers. You know she belongs to you, you are merely waiting for her to catch up) Day game or get their number. Give them the time to get over breaking the age barrier. It’s a lot like dating a woman who is crossing the color line for the 1st time.”

            O: I don’t deny or doubt what you’re saying here, Sfcton, and I hope all the older fellas are reading along, because let’s face it, this IS some pretty good Pickup tips and advice if you’re in the market for a younger lass!–but, I’d just like to throw this out there and get your and the rest of the forum’s feedback:

            In my personal experience, and that of many other older guys I’ve observed, it seems that quite a few younger ladies are the ones who are, if they aren’t the more, shall we say more forward ones in the “First Contact” stage, are at the least very, very receptive to an older Man’s overtures. In other words, in the latter case, the IOIs are quite evident. And in the former case, they will outright approach you, etc. Which, personally, I find to be hugely attractive, because, and again I speak only for myself and would appreciate the views of the fellas in the forum (and even the ladies reading along), that there’s no bigger turn on, especially in the days and times in which we now live, than a lady who knows exactly what she wants and goes for it. All of the ladies of the kind we’re now discussing were quite clear that they wanted and are into older guys, and made no bones about it.

            Does anyone else in the forum know what I’m talking about here?

            Thoughts? Comments?

            O.

            • IcePrincess

              Well, my sugar daddy is 75 y/o. I’ve grown to sincerely love him over the years, but only as a freind. Plus he married lol. Full disclosure: our relationship is purely platonic. The most I might do is where a low-cut top or whatever when I’m with him lol. As far as romantic dating, my cut off is late 40’s, if he has done a good job maintaining his sexy :)

              • @Sfcton 279:
                ” Dudes just have to work it. Hell I use my hearing problems to pull numbers. “Sorry darling, I have been blown up 7 times and cannot hear. Give me your number and we’ll text” or let’s step over here so I can hear better. Or my lung to get a girl to step outside. “Sorry darling, but I misplaced my lung some time back, I need air, grab your drink and let’s talk out there for a spell”. Even when I don’t get the number or isolation right away, the conversation keeps going and I’m establishing the I’ve had a full life vibe. Work the angles, crash and burn, remember and learn.”

                O: Tru dat – make your weaknesses into strengths. As Mystery told Style in the book The Game: “Going bald isn’t a choice; Being bald IS a choice.”

                “Work the angles, crash and burn, remember and learn.”
                -Sfcton

                I love it!

                Comments?

                O.

              • @Ms. IcePrincess:
                While we’re waiting for my followup comment too be freed from moderation (hint, hint), I’ll just ad to your above statement, that Science has confirmed that Men just being in the presence of attractive ladies will cause parts of his brain light up; MRA brainscans have confirmed this.

                So, fear not my dear; your sugar daddy definitely is gettting his fill. :)

                O.

                • @Sfcton 279:
                  ” Dudes just have to work it. H*ll I use my hearing problems to pull numbers. “Sorry darling, I have been blown up 7 times and cannot hear. Give me your number and we’ll text” or let’s step over here so I can hear better. Or my lung to get a girl to step outside. “Sorry darling, but I misplaced my lung some time back, I need air, grab your drink and let’s talk out there for a spell”. Even when I don’t get the number or isolation right away, the conversation keeps going and I’m establishing the I’ve had a full life vibe. Work the angles, crash and burn, remember and learn.”

                  O: Tru dat – make your weaknesses into strengths. As Mystery told Style in the book The Game: “Going bald isn’t a choice; Being bald IS a choice.”

                  “Work the angles, crash and burn, remember and learn.”
                  -Sfcton

                  I love it!”

                  Comments?

                  O.

                • IcePrincess

                  Oh, I kno that chile. He tells me. We joke about it. He says he misses sex, but he hasn’t seen a hard on in the last 15 yrs! LOL. I told him they make pills for that, but for whatever reason he won’t do it. Same with a hearing aid. I’ve been telling him he’s needed one for about a year now, but he’s stubborn. But he’s awesome; he’s literally the smartest person I’ve ever met. And there lies the attraction. I like someone that I can learn from.

                • IcePrincess

                  Dang, I’m in moderation also! Smh

                • “MRA brainscans have confirmed this”

                  Is this a Freudian slip for “MRI brainscans,” or do MRAs actually have their own proprietary medical equipment…?

                  • Good mornigng, Ms. Dara! How are you?

                    LOL, good catch! And, as it turns out, demographically, Manospherians are quite highly educated and work in the professions, for the most part, and that includes medical; I’m the outlier. ;)
                    By the way, since w’re now on the topic: over at J4G we’ve been covering very closely the events surrounding Mr. Elliot Rodger and all of the attendant fallout. I’ll post up links in case anyone is interested; excellent reading!

                    O.

                  • Sidebar about the MRA thing and the connection to the Santa Barbara shootings. I’m just curious how he was tied to MRA when he didn’t exactly deal with that group. It just seems to me that they were the lucky contestants and got roped in. At least you could say the dude dealt with (though ultimately had beef with) Game and PUA, but he didn’t really seem to deal with stuff like support for male victims of domestic violence or improving custody and child support laws. It just seems random as f*ck.

                    • I’m surprised @disqus_IPU6vpG8iu:disqus hasn’t given any input on this man and his obsession with women.

                    • @Mr. Todd:
                      Don’t believe the hype – Mr. Rodger was not – I repeat NOT – afffiliated in ANY way, shape or form, with the Men’s Issues movement in any significant way, and indeed all tthe evidence points to him being virulently ANTI Game, and said as much in his 140-plus page manifesto, AND his final YouTube address prior to his attack/suicide. He lothed Men as much if not moreso as Women, which accounts for how and why he killed TWICE as many Men as he did Women.

                      The MSM is feeding everyone LIES about this stroy, in a desparate attempt to paint the whole of the Manosphere as “terrorists” and the like; this is because they know what what we say is true, and they can’t stop the truth from getting out.

                      But we at J4G and our allies, will not allow these e-facists to get away with it; even as we speak,. plans are afoot to halt their advance and turn the tide.

                      Stay tuned to J4G for more developments as we continue to cover the Elliot Rodger story and beyond!

                      O.

                    • I didn’t mean he was a part of the scene as much as he had, at minimum, knew what a PUA was. You don’t join sites like PUAHate.com out of sheer boredom. And you’re right about dude being anti-Game. I’m just wondering how he got roped in with people he either didn’t deal with at all (MRA) or actively despised (PUA). Something went horribly wrong in a hurry.

                    • blackphilo
                    • Interesting premise. Even though I’m not a huge fan of RoK, I do think that certain feminists were on “I wish a ninja would” status with the broader PUA scene, and the second something horrible could be connected to them, they were going on the attack no matter what.

                    • blackphilo

                      I’m certainly no fan, either. I only saw that editorial through a link elsewhere–but found it interesting and thoughtful.

                    • h.h.h.

                      they’re really trying to make mra/pua out to be terrorists, eh…

                    • @Mr. Todd:
                      The answer is simple, my friend: as I’ve said above, the Feminist Lobby and their allies in what we refer to as the Cathedral have been spoiling for a fight for years and finally saw as their opportunity to unfurl their foul designs on the Manosphere, by ginning up hysteria and spreading lies about us. We had nothing in the least to do with Mr. Rodger’s senseless rampage, and have said as much repeatedly in our own media – and, isn’t it interesting that to date, NO representative of the Manosphere has appeared in the media alongside all the “experts” against it?

                      Hmm?

                      That, is one of the reasons J4G was created – to act as an independent voice and conveyor of the facts about the ‘sphere – and we don’t sugarcoat it. We strive very hard to give, I gotta say, a fair and balanced view of the issues, and we give our interlocutors every chance to have their side heard.

                      Does the MSM do that with us?

                      To ask the question, at a time when the bodies of the dead are still warm(!) – is to answer it…

                      O.

                    • In other news…

                      One of our readers has asked me what I thought of Atlantic writer Ta-Haneisi Coates’ recent musings on the question of reparations; the following is my response:

                      “@Naz 25:
                      Wrt: Coates/Atlantic/Reparations:

                      I don’t.

                      Coates is emblematic of the rot that has infested the Ebony Tower, where what passes for “scholarship” is trying to find the 4,785,992 way to say that Mr. Charlie is the Unified Theory That Explains Everything & Why Black Folk Are So Messed Up(TM). If Coates and other dusky do-gooders like him were really interested in assisting Black folks, they”d start in de facto Congos like Detroit, Baltimore, New Orleans, Newark, Philly, Houston, Atlanta, Cleveland, Chicago(!!), Birmingham, Memphis, Jackson, et al – and toss ALL the Black politicians and apparatchiks out on their obese keisters, and thrown UNDER the jail, for Fratricide.

                      But, you see, doing that sounds too much like right. And, it’s far and away more practical than tilting at some “reparations” windmill.

                      Remember folks, Coates is the Brotha who designated Melissa Harris-Perry as THEE foremost Public Intellectual of our time.

                      WTF???”

                      Comments?

                      O.

                    • I’ll bite. Fratricide in what way?

                    • @Ms. Dara:
                      Pick your poison, madam! Shall we start with disgraced New Orleans mayor Ray Nagin? Or, shall we begin the card reading with disgraced Detroit mayor, Kwame Kilpatrick? How about Philly/PA State Senator Leanna Washington?

                      Let’s talk about the schools, because of course, it’s all about the chirrens – how about the APS (Atlanta Public School) cheating scandals – or the one(s) that have occurred here in Philly, recently (ALL the guilty parties involved, where Women or Color, I might add)? Or, should we take up and examine the Washington DC public schools, which act as little more than no-show sinecures for the Teacher’s Union, while the schools fall apart and act as little more than cannon fodder and prison meat, especially for our Black boys?

                      Let’s talk about the out and out graft, corruption and incompetence that would make Clay Davis blush, hmm? Corruption and incompetence that follows Black pols like B.O. Let’s discuss the neverending drip-drip-drip of blood running in every Black Street in inner-city America, where Black Folks With Money & Commonsense, work themselves into an early grave, trying to get out of there and into the relatively and fast-becoming ghettoes themselves, enclaves like Prince George’s County?

                      Let’s talk about the utterly gutteral ways and ghetto demeanors, of so many of our “leaders” – like US Congressman John Conyers’ disgraced wife, who had to be told in a Detroit City Council meeting, BY A LITTLE GIRL, that she was outta pocket? Let’s talk about the Buffoons and Coons that are so many of our elected leaders, making utter fools of themselves and the rest of us, everyday and every night in the local, national and international media? Enriching themselves and fattening their bellies, while their charges endure halflives of deprivation and squalor, have to lie and die in Hobbesian all-against-all free-fire zones that rival Mogadishu or Fallujah, and suffer from all manner of physical and mental/emotional maladies. You ain’t seen Shell-Shock till you’ve spent a bit of time in the hood!

                      Oh yes, Ms. Dara, there is much the Black socalled Power Structure has to answer for – and the Ebony Tower is every bit to blame. Spending their time looking for a “racist” under every rock, tilting windmills at nonsense like “reparations” when the clear and present problems of Black America are staring everyone in the face, and yet if you say anything, you’re lampooned as Clarence Thomas 2.0; you’re vilified, ostracized, everything but a child of God – but never actually engaged on the issues. Never engaged on the truth.

                      Well, I madam, and with all due respect to you and the good Brothas and Sistas with Commonsense in this here forum, say, in the words of my good Italian friend I was talking to the other day, Basta! And I fully intend to address ALL of this nonsense, and expose these parasites for what they are – a scourge on the Black Nation. Among other things, and in conjunction with my brothers in the ‘sphere, I’ve thrashed out a Ten Point Plan/Manifesto, which we’re tweaking right now. And that’s just for starters.

                      I have seen the Enemy, Ms. Dara Tafakari – and it ain’t Mr. Charlie…

                      O.

                    • His name is Ta-Nehisi. I’m an editor, it doesn’t shut off easily…(shrug)

                      Can we not address both evils: the ones both inside and outside the camp? The above transgressions do not exist in a vacuum independent of the machine already put in place, no? I am loathe to think, that with institutions like Wells Fargo committing documented racist practices, you believe that there is but one enemy…and that they only look like us? The only color a greedy politician feels love for is green.

                      You mention the Ebony Tower, but I don’t remember hearing you say you read Coates’ piece. Did you?

                      We could quibble about crooked mayors all day. The above examples you listed are awful people. But are they awful because they’re Black, O, or just because they’re awful? For every Black crooked mayor, hello Elliot Spitzer, in triplicate. I have seen you insinuate that Black politicians are not fit to lead, and it makes me wonder about your thoughts on the non-working class Black man. I don’t think I’ve ever heard you say anything uncharged about a non-blue collar worker. Hmm.

                      You think about everything else under the hot sun. What about reparations gets you so hot and bothered you deign not to entertain it?

                    • @Ms. Dara:
                      ” His name is Ta-Nehisi. I’m an editor, it doesn’t shut off easily…(shrug)”

                      O: And I thank you for the correction; graciously accepted!

                      “Can we not address both evils: the ones both inside and outside the camp? The above transgressions do not exist in a vacuum independent of the machine already put in place, no?”

                      O: I have not made this argument…but certainly, to answer your questions, yes, we can address both; but here’s my problem:

                      I find it fascinating that whenever tallies the BSery that is routine in Black American life, ALL OF A SUDDEN we must now walk and chew gum at the same time(!); it smacks of wagon-circling, of “Stop Snitchin'”, of not wanting to “air out dirty laundry in public” (read; in front of White folks).

                      And I ask, WHY do Blacks – ostensibly smart ones like you – do these things? Why can we not, simply, and with commonsense, look at these problems, call them for what they are, and address them, fullstop? I say it’s because, and since you’re the one who went there with the Class thing below, so let’s dance – that Blacks of the Educated Classes, especially those of the Bougie cohorts, NEED “Racism” to define their very existence. For without it, they’d have NOTHING to do, to strive for; to BE.

                      I look at a life beyond White folks and Racism, Ms. Dara. To a world where I am defined more by what I do or don’t do, than to one where others decide my fate, one way or another. That’s really at issue here – which worldview will out? Coates is of the latter; I am of the former.

                      Moreover: let me say right here and now, that I do not respect Mr. Coates; he is censorious, with an itchy trigger finger on the Ban Button on ANYONE who dares to disagree with him, which explains how and why he will ONLY show up in friendly spaces; he doesn’t debate, which tells me that he doesn’t have the strength of his convictions nor the facts on his side, to engage with those who would dare to oppose him. He is relic of a long begotten era, and rightly so, holding on for dear life for one Last Hurrah.

                      “I am loathe to think, that with institutions like Wells Fargo committing documented racist practices, you believe that there is but one enemy…and that they only look like us? The only color a greedy politician feels love for is green.”

                      O: Indeed; but with Black politicians – go and read “Black Brothers, Inc.” for example – it goes much, much deeper than that. Black politicians and the like trade on racial loyalty and solidarity, while twisting the knife in the collective back of Black Americans – and people of your Class either cosign this or turn a rationalizing blind eye to it. Well I say, no more. I consider them to be far and away WORSE, than your garden variety corrupt White politician, for the reasons and book source I’ve cited.

                      “You mention the Ebony Tower, but I don’t remember hearing you say you read Coates’ piece. Did you?”

                      O: Not only did I read it (ugh), but I’ve also viewed Mr. Coates discussing his screed here:

                      http://m.democracynow.org/stories/14399

                      Please note that Mr. Coates discusses US Congressman John Conyers’ “Reparations Bill” – the same Conyers whose disgraced wife I was referring to above – and serves as an excellent case in point. Charity, begins at home I was always taught – and by the looks of things, Mr. Conyers has his hands quite full…

                      “We could quibble about crooked mayors all day. ”

                      O: Uh, NO, we cannot; there is nothing to “quibble” over or about. What I said is unassailable; a matter of documented, incontrovertible fact. Only those who wish to excuse the actions of traitors, or stompdown ideologues who fancy utopian visions in their heads, would attempt otherwise. Crooked Black Mayors are indeed important, and aren’t talked anywhere near enough in Black spaces like these, and it is high time that came to a blessed end.

                      “The above examples you listed are awful people. But are they awful because they’re Black, O, or just because they’re awful? For every Black crooked mayor, hello Elliot Spitzer, in triplicate.”

                      O: You have got to be kidding me – you are going to seriously equate Ray Nagin with Elliot Spitzer? You are going to sit there, and tell me, with a straightface, that Spitzer is as bad, if not worse, than Kwame Kilpatrick?

                      Really?

                      “I have seen you insinuate that Black politicians are not fit to lead,”

                      O: I have not “insinuated” anything – I have said, with a full-throat, that they have PROVEN themselves, unfit to lead.

                      I’m not an editor, but like you, I like to be clear in communication. :)

                      “and it makes me wonder about your thoughts on the non-working class Black man. I don’t think I’ve ever heard you say anything uncharged about a non-blue collar worker. Hmm.”

                      O: Could that because, you weren’t looking hard enough, madam?

                      http://www.justfourguys.com/a-blue-collar-brotha-speaks-at-last/

                      “You think about everything else under the hot sun.”

                      O: Thank you! I accept.

                      “What about reparations gets you so hot and bothered you deign not to entertain it?”

                      O: It is not reparations that gets me “so hot and bothered”; it is the Failed State Leadership that Coates and others of his ilk, in Media, Govt and Academia, who raise my ire.

                      Is that clear?

                      O.

                    • Let me be more blunt, then.

                      Why do you deign not to entertain reparations? In 100 words. (I ask because you said, “And, it’s far and away more practical than tilting at some “reparations” windmill.”)

                      Since you did read Coates’ essay, what did you think about his writing on Clyde Ross and the actual wrongs committed against him and his working class community? (In 100 words) I find it interesting that your beef with him is rather on his comments policy instead of his actual reportage?

                      So if Black politicians are unfit to lead, does that mean you advocate for an all-white legislature? (Yes or No)

                      Also, I wouldn’t oversimplify my point about Spitzer. I merely meant that for all the lousy Black pols, there are plenty White ones who have done harm to their constituents as well. Avarice is not a racial trait. I agree with you that Black pols trade on racial solidarity, though.

                      “I find it fascinating that whenever tallies the BSery that is routine in Black American life, ALL OF A SUDDEN we must now walk and chew gum at the same time” // Not at all. I have a staunch reaction to anyone claiming one origin to a many-headed hydra. So when you say “The enemy ain’t Mr. Charlie” I feel compelled to say it is not ONLY Mr. Charlie. To ignore either side is disingenuous. I am allergic to polemics.

                    • NomadaNare

                      http://www.democracynow.org/2014/5/30/part_2_ta_nehisi_coates_on

                      The brother is so eloquent in delivery of his arguments.

                      NN

                    • but wait! You have a signature, too?! lol

                    • NomadaNare

                      Something new I’m picking up. But only so you guys can know when I’m seriously debating and when I’m being goofy.

                    • hmm. I’m usually on some half-serious, half-goofy tip. I converse/debate until it’s not fun anymore. But since I don’t think our verbose friend is going to address Coates’ dissertation, you can tell *me* what you thought about it, if you’re so inclined. :)

                    • NomadaNare

                      I thought it was excellent! TNC has a knack for communicating things that I feel viscerally but hadn’t even begun to conceptualize, let alone commit to well reasoned and supported argument. He is right that the black social justice community often tries to get separate institutions to make up for the lack of reparations (a sentiment often pejoratively echoed by the right). I think he masterfully cuts through a large swath of common arguments against reparations just in the structure of the essay.

                      What I’m really curious to see is how the structure of the entire social justice community will change as we really start to consider this. Is white supremacy really a thing? One of CRT’s major flaws is that it can’t be objectively verified no matter how much data there is to support it. Also, how do we effectively address any lingering racism/kyriarchies concerning race after reparations? Can we? Or do disingenuous critiques from the right become relevant? I think this is a very complicated subject and I am thankful to TNC for introducing it back into the mainstream.

                    • NomadaNare

                      If there is any criticism of the article (and its not really of the article, but more of TNC’s positions) I’d have to say that I don’t really like TNC’s position on AA. He thinks that arguments for it not based on reparations (ie the ‘critical mass’ of diversity, etc.) are weak. I’d say that he’s very wrong here. http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2014/05/the-case-for-reparations-an-intellectual-autopsy/371125/

                    • @Ms. Dara:
                      ” Let me be more blunt, then.”

                      O: Please!

                      “Why do you deign not to entertain reparations? In 100 words. (I ask because you said, “And, it’s far and away more practical than tilting at some “reparations” windmill.”)”

                      O: Please see above – because there ARE more practical concerns we can and should be focusing our energies on – like the ones I outlined to you above in response to your first question, and to which you have yet to actually address, I might add.

                      “Since you did read Coates’ essay, what did you think about his writing on Clyde Ross and the actual wrongs committed against him and his working class co mmunity? (In 100 words) I find it interesting that your beef with him is rather on his comments policy instead of his actual reportage?”

                      O: Actually, I beef with Mr. Coates has been well articulated and extends well beyond Mr. Coates’ commenting policy which, does indeed say something about him as a writer and intellectual; I say he is bankrupt – Dinesh D’Souza, who is well known for engaging his adversaries in open debate, he is most assuredly NOT. Your selective reading of what I painstakingly wrote is not a problem I can or should solve, since we’re being blunt.

                      At any rate, if you will kindly refer to the Democracy Now video link I supplied in my previous response, you will see that Mr. Ross organized himself and other Blacks like him to address the injustice – something I wholeheartedly support. That doesn’t require a “reparations bill”, or a 16K word “essay” to get done either. It was Black folks, taking the bull by the horns and getting it done, that turned the tide.

                      “So if Black politicians are unfit to lead, does that mean you advocate for an all-white legislature? (Yes or No)”

                      O: No. Nor do I think that ALL Black politicians are unfit to lead; just a lot of them. More than otherwise. I say this not on the basis of personal ideology or belief, but rather on the basis of their track records in accordance with the health and vitality of the Black communities they represent, on all the familiar life measures that are so familiar in the Western world.

                      “Also, I wouldn’t oversimplify my point about Spitzer. I merely meant that for all the lousy Black pols, there are plenty White ones who have done harm to their constituents as well. Avarice is not a racial trait. I agree with you that Black pols trade on racial solidarity, though.”

                      O: No, Ms, Dara – you are far too sharp for me to buy that you slipped up or really didn’t mean what you tried to say – you were making a case that Elliot Spitzer’s having an affair with an escort, is on par with both Nagin and Kilpatrick running their respective cities into the ground. I mean, really.

                      And if you truly agree with me on the point about “Black Brothers, Inc.” why are we even having this how many angels can dance on the head of a pin discussion in the first place? Why can’t we simply discuss the problems in the Black community, fullstop?

                      “I find it fascinating that whenever tallies the BSery that is routine in Black American life, ALL OF A SUDDEN we must now walk and chew gum at the same time” // ”

                      “Not at all. I have a staunch reaction to anyone claiming one origin to a many-headed hydra.”

                      O: I see; in that case I’d recommend a good therapist, because no one claimed any such thing. I merely was talking about problems that are clear and present in the Black community, and the desire to air them out without recourse to “Not All!” in knee jerk fashion. Since you’ve been blunt with me, allow me to return the favor in kind:

                      I DON’T CARE ABOUT WHAT WHITE PEOPLE DO. I care about what BLACK PEOPLE DO. And I am beyond sick and tired of being sick and tired of EVERY time someone brings up problems in the Black community, in swoop in Pedantic Blacks that just gotta go, “Not All!”, “But Whites Do It Too!” and of course, the all-time fave, “You can’t say that, because, Slavery/Jim Crow/Racism!”. When are Black people finally gonna grow up?

                      “So when you say “The enemy ain’t Mr. Charlie” I feel compelled to say it is not ONLY Mr. Charlie.”

                      O: A distinction that, as Black Brothers, Inc. makes clear, is without much of a difference. Have you read it.

                      “To ignore either side is disingenuous.”

                      O: No; to obfuscate the issues, is disingenuous.

                      “I am allergic to polemics.”

                      O: I believe they have pills for that…

                      “Extremism in defence of liberty is no vice, and moderation in the pursuit of justice, is no virtue…”
                      -Barry Goldwater

                      O.

                    • @Ms. Dara:
                      ” Let me be more blunt, then.”

                      O: Please!

                      “Why do you deign not to entertain reparations? In 100 words. (I ask because you said, “And, it’s far and away more practical than tilting at some “reparations” windmill.”)”

                      O: Please see above – because there ARE more practical concerns we can and should be focusing our energies on – like the ones I outlined to you above in response to your first question, and to which you have yet to actually address, I might add.

                      “Since you did read Coates’ essay, what did you think about his writing on Clyde Ross and the actual wrongs committed against him and his working class co mmunity? (In 100 words) I find it interesting that your beef with him is rather on his comments policy instead of his actual reportage?”

                      O: Actually, I beef with Mr. Coates has been well articulated and extends well beyond Mr. Coates’ commenting policy which, does indeed say something about him as a writer and intellectual; I say he is bankrupt – Dinesh D’Souza, who is well known for engaging his adversaries in open debate, he is most assuredly NOT. Your selective reading of what I painstakingly wrote is not a problem I can or should solve, since we’re being blunt.

                      At any rate, if you will kindly refer to the Democracy Now video link I supplied in my previous response, you will see that Mr. Ross organized himself and other Blacks like him to address the injustice – something I wholeheartedly support. That doesn’t require a “reparations bill”, or a 16K word “essay” to get done either. It was Black folks, taking the bull by the horns and getting it done, that turned the tide.

                      “So if Black politicians are unfit to lead, does that mean you advocate for an all-white legislature? (Yes or No)”

                      O: No. Nor do I think that ALL Black politicians are unfit to lead; just a lot of them. More than otherwise. I say this not on the basis of personal ideology or belief, but rather on the basis of their track records in accordance with the health and vitality of the Black communities they represent, on all the familiar life measures that are so familiar in the Western world.

                      “Also, I wouldn’t oversimplify my point about Spitzer. I merely meant that for all the lousy Black pols, there are plenty White ones who have done harm to their constituents as well. Avarice is not a racial trait. I agree with you that Black pols trade on racial solidarity, though.”

                      O: No, Ms, Dara – you are far too sharp for me to buy that you slipped up or really didn’t mean what you tried to say – you were making a case that Elliot Spitzer’s having an affair with an escort, is on par with both Nagin and Kilpatrick running their respective cities into the ground. I mean, really.

                      And if you truly agree with me on the point about “Black Brothers, Inc.” why are we even having this how many angels can dance on the head of a pin discussion in the first place? Why can’t we simply discuss the problems in the Black community, fullstop?

                      “I find it fascinating that whenever tallies the BSery that is routine in Black American life, ALL OF A SUDDEN we must now walk and chew gum at the same time” // ”

                      “Not at all. I have a staunch reaction to anyone claiming one origin to a many-headed hydra.”

                      O: I see; in that case I’d recommend a good therapist, because no one claimed any such thing. I merely was talking about problems that are clear and present in the Black community, and the desire to air them out without recourse to “Not All!” in knee jerk fashion. Since you’ve been blunt with me, allow me to return the favor in kind:

                      I DON’T CARE ABOUT WHAT WHITE PEOPLE DO. I care about what BLACK PEOPLE DO. And I am beyond sick and tired of being sick and tired of EVERY time someone brings up problems in the Black community, in swoop in Pedantic Blacks that just gotta go, “Not All!”, “But Whites Do It Too!” and of course, the all-time fave, “You can’t say that, because, Slavery/Jim Crow/Racism!”. When are Black people finally gonna grow up?

                      “So when you say “The enemy ain’t Mr. Charlie” I feel compelled to say it is not ONLY Mr. Charlie.”

                      O: A distinction that, as Black Brothers, Inc. makes clear, is without much of a difference. Have you read it.

                      “To ignore either side is disingenuous.”

                      O: No; to obfuscate the issues, is disingenuous.

                      “I am allergic to polemics.”

                      O: I believe they have pills for that…

                      “Extremism in defence of liberty is no vice, and moderation in the pursuit of justice, is no virtue…”
                      -Barry Goldwater

                      O.

                    • O: “No, Ms, Dara – you are far too sharp for me…”
                      Yet, you keep deliberately missing my point. You use far too much circumlocution for me to beat this dead horse any longer. I said what I meant; what you read into it is your comprehension problem.

                      “I DON’T CARE ABOUT WHAT WHITE PEOPLE DO.”

                      That’s one approach. I can’t really speak to your affinity for white folks.

                      Can/Can’t: Whoever said this conversation was solely about “What Black People Do Wrong?” lol. I care about what Black people do, too. What I’m not interested in is classifying it. We can throw up ill after ill after ill that plagues, until the cows come home from the mythical 40 acres we never got. Or you can list positive solutions for those ills. Glad to hear you say you’re not against Blacks as politicians. Who are your favorite GOOD ones?

                      I’m not clicking your links. Make your case here, succinctly, in plain language. I believe you can do it.

                      Also, I have yet to address the concerns because they are your topics, not mine. I have my own agenda. :)

                    • @Ms. Dara:
                      “O: “No, Ms, Dara – you are far too sharp for me…”

                      Yet, you keep deliberately missing my point.”

                      O: Might that be because you are not being clear? That’s one huge lesson I’ve learned lo these many years as a writer.

                      “You use far too much circumlocution for me to beat this dead horse any longer.”

                      O: Dead horse? Really? As opposed to the umpteen gazillion times Beyonce and Jay-Z and Kimye and all manner of BSery is discussed here ad nauseum – are those “dead horses” too? Or are you only singling “mine” out?

                      “I said what I meant; what you read into it is your comprehension problem.”

                      O: *shrugs*

                      “I DON’T CARE ABOUT WHAT WHITE PEOPLE DO.”

                      “That’s one approach. I can’t really speak to your aff inity fo r white folks.”

                      O: LOL, what is this, Hate on White Folks Day around here, or something? Nice dodge, madam!

                      “Can/Can’t: Whoever said this conversation was solely about “What Black People Do Wrong?”

                      O: Me. I’m not interested in all the “complexities” involving “Kyriarchy”; I’m interested in on the ground realities of Black folks, who are more often than not, getting done in and you know what-ted over, by other Black folks. That’s what I care about.

                      “I care about what Black people do, too.”

                      O: You have an odd way of showing it, when you bend yourself into Philly pretzels trying to explain away the many real problems that beset Black America…

                      “What I’m not interested in is classifying it.”

                      O: Whaat? How can you address a problem if you’re not even willing to call it out to begin with? How does that even work?

                      “We can throw up ill after ill after ill that plagues, until the cows come home from the mythical 40 acres we never got. Or you can list positive solutions for those ills.”

                      O: Oh, I get it – I can’t criticize Black folks, even those in supposedly high places, without also offering a “positive solution” — please. Spare me the feel-good pablum. I think the time is way past due that those who are responsible for the wretched state of the Black Nation came in for some ballocking, sans the mamby-pamby “solutions” drivel.

                      “Glad to hear you say you’re not against Blacks as politicians. Who are your favorite GOOD ones?”

                      O: Why? That is NOT my topic. I am discussing the problems, and I want to discuss them some more, thank you very much.

                      “I’m not clicking your links. Make your case here, succinctly, in plain language. I believe you can do it.”

                      O: And I believe you can make time to educate yourself on these matters. After all, Black folks always have time and resources they want and beg for that which they need…

                      “Also, I have yet to address the concerns because they are your topics, not mine. I have my own agenda. :)”

                      O: God help us…

                      O.

                    • God help us…

                      Jesus on the main line/ Tell Him what you waaaaaaaaant… lol

                    • LadyIbaka

                      Love this line!!

                    • For the record :) Since we’re both intent on discussing different things, I would consider this conversation a moot point and close it here. Nonetheless, it’s been entertaining. Have a sunny afternoon!

                    • NomadaNare

                      O,

                      I want to see you debate points. Hit him where it hurts, in the arguments, not at every other point that really has nothing to do with what he says. Black politicians and your opinion of black intelligentsia really have nothing to do with what TNC actually says.

                      NN

                    • For true.

                    • For true.

                    • @Nomada:
                      That’s because I’ve addressed what I think of Coates’ body of work overall and the way he does things, which, in my view, spills over into his reparations stuff. I am suggesting an arc of time over which he has made a case that I utterly reject.

                      Moreover, I am making another argument, one that is far and away more pressing and urgent in the lives of millions of Black Americans, and that is of the proven and repeated fracture and failure of Black leadership at the political, media/communications and academic levels. Just as you could say that I don’t address Coates’ arguments in point for point fashion, I could easily say the same of my interlocutors in this very forum on my arguments about the utter Failed State Nature of Black Leadership (notable and fairly rare exceptions, notwithstanding).

                      I am saying that, as it relates to reparations, Black folk got bigger fish to fry. Frittering away what little time and resources we have chasing down a phantom, just ain’t gonna get it.

                      O.

                    • NomadaNare

                      O,

                      So, your response to me saying that you should debate the man’s points is that you already have and that no one debates you point for point so your initial statement should pass with no critical analysis? I have not seen you deliver a cogent argument against TNC’s case nor do I think anyone else has, either. Care to compile a summary in this space? I understand that you want to address the “Failed State” of black politicians, but that has nothing to do with TNC’s article. Why would you bring it up if you didn’t want to talk about it?

                      NN

                    • @Nomada:
                      “O,
                      So, your response to me saying that you should debate the man’s points is that you already have and that no one debates you point for point so your initial statement should pass no analysis?”

                      O: No – just that I think that I think everyone knows what the “argument” is wrt reparations at this point and have pretty much made up their minds; moreover, I think Black Thinkers like Coates are spinning their wheels, instead of addressing themselves to the kinds of problems I am talking about, in part because it’s dirty, ugly, not sexy and will likely run you into lots of trouble. Reparations is a SWPL Feel Good kind of thing that doesn’t have to deal with the gritty stuff. And I like the gritty stuff.

                      “I have not seen you deliver a cogent argument against TNC’s case nor do I think anyone else has, either.”

                      O: That’s fine; others are more than free to see or think whatever they like.

                      “Care to compile a summary in this space? I understand that you want to address the “Failed State” of black politicians”

                      O: Wait – do you confirm or deny, that much of Black America, run by Blacks themselves in the form of elected leaders, is a Failed State, or not?

                      “but that has nothing to do with TNC’s article. Why would you bring it up if you didn’t want to talk about it?”

                      O: Because I was asked whether I had read it and what I thought of Mr. Coates in particular, and I gave my view. That’s why. :)

                      O.

                    • NomadaNare

                      O,

                      Fair, everyone may have made up their minds about a particular subject, but that doesn’t mean that you don’t have to support your points. You make a lot of claims about how TNC represents your opinions about academia, yet you don’t actually combat the points that academia (and TNC) has made. What is your position on those actual points and why is it such a hard thing to get it out of you? Furthermore, who asked you about reparations in this forum? And no, I don’t think black politicians represent a “Failed State”. As always I think your positions probably need to be tempered with a bit of nuance and close analysis.

                      NN

                    • @Nomada:
                      ” Fair, everyone may have made up their minds about a particular subject, but that doesn’t mean that you don’t have to support your points.”

                      O: But I did support my position (in response to her question to me), and by Ms. Dara’s own admission, she wasn’t interested in discussing it(!). Perhaps you feel the same way.

                      “You make a lot of claims about how TNC represents your opinions about academia, yet you don’t actually combat the points that academia (and TNC) has made.”

                      O: And media, too, which Coates would more accurately represent – I am as equally a harsh critic of “Black media” for what I see as their failure to do real investigative work on issues that really matter to Black folks on the ground in America’s inner cities. This is how and why I give Tommy Sotomayor so much credit, because, and let’s be clear, I don’t agree with everything he says, or how he does it, but he DOES deal with issues that are important and that matter to Black folks – keep in mind, that some 65% of his audience are Black Women themselves, who supply him with the stories he often writes about(!). Here’s an example:

                      http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=A9tf8hjAnMM

                      Again, Nomada: Black people are sending this footage in to Sotomayor(!). They do so because they’re tired of having to live among deeply dysfunctional Black people – none of anyone reading this, and dare I say yourself, would do it if you didn’t absolutely have to – and who can blame you? Yet, this is what is happening to major Black American cities, like Atlanta, which is where Sotomayor is from and is based. The Coates et al of the world act as if this sort of thing simply doesn’t exist – or if it does, it too is the fault of the White Man(TM).

                      Which brings me to my next point: the really big problem I have with Coates’ arguments per his articles, along with that of the Ebony Tower and so forth, is that ultimately, when you get right down to it, we as Black folk have no agency to affect our own lives(!); that we are incapable or unable to do anything for or with ourselves, without the imprimatur and permission of Whites. In a very real way, that’s what this Reparations thing is about.

                      Well, I find it all too be deeply insulting, because I was differently from that. That doesn’t mean that I excuse Racism, but it does mean that I do all that I can to rise above it.

                      There’s more that I can say, but I’ll hold here. Looking forward to your response.

                      O.

                    • NomadaNare

                      O,

                      1. What are you talking about and what does the video you posted have to do with anything? How did Sotomayor get into this conversation and what does he have to do with a relevant rebuttal to anything related by TNC? You may be able to fault “Black Media” for bad investigative reporting, but this is the state of all Media in today’s society. How does a major societal problem somehow become a pathology of black folk? In addition, the crux of social justice scholarship (and by extension TNC’s entire argument) is literally centuries of documented research and phenomena (in many cases by the perpetrators own hand!). No one you have presented comes anywhere close to actual research, fact checking, studies, investigative history etc. relevant to the “issues on the ground” concerning black folk presently and historically.

                      2. Why do your arguments frequently include Ad Hominem? What do assumptions about my character like where I want or plan to live have anything to do with your rejection of TNC’s argument (which you haven’t substantially rebutted, BTW)? Furthermore, why is it so simplistic? Even if you were right (and you’re not, though here I will neglect details) why does the only reason I may not want to live there have to do with black people?

                      3. Not only is that a fundamental misinterpretation of TNC’s argument, it’s a fundamental misinterpretation of life. Even from a purely physical perspective, there are simply no vacuums, so from a purely reductionist point of view why would social interactions be any different? Pointing out that socially, black people live in a medium (ie fabric of society) that is fundamentally configured to ignore their humanity does not remove the self determination of black people. If personal arguments were fit to be used anywhere, it would be here, you know by who I am that I don’t believe that black people have no self responsibility, so why would I think that the case for anyone else? Why would this argument be true for anyone that thought enough of themselves and their own ability to succeed in a industry fiercely arrayed against them (like academia)?

                      4. The reparations thing is not about asking for the approval of white people. It’s an acknowledgement from whites that we currently live in a society built by black bodies and controlled by white supremacy. At its core it’s the recognition of our humanity by people with which we have to share the planet. Why is this so appalling to you?

                      NN

                    • @Nomada:
                      I am sharing my personal opinion, you do not have to like or accept it. I have the right to give voice to my views. Now, I can and often do back them up with evidence, but there are times where I do not think it necessary. This is one of those times. You can try to cloud things by demanding that evidence, peer reviewed and the like be brought to bear; but everyone reading this knows, even if they are loathe to publicly admit it, what I am talking about.

                      Why is reparations appalling to me? Good question – what is appalling to me about it, is the idea that we have to plead to White folks to get something that we can and should cultivate ourselves – our own Humanity. I don’t choose to give that power over to anyone else, regardless of color. As your response makes clear, for many Blacks, this is about getting some kind of acknowledgement from Whites, to make up for some kind of deficiency on their own part. I do no need any such thing. I know who I am, where I come from and what I can do.

                      The video is important because it focuses on issues on the ground that everyday Blacks who live in cities like Atlanta have to deal with, and that “big” Black media types like Coates either ignores or attempts to explain away via “Racism”. Sotomayor, and others like him, are putting a light on problems that we and we alone, can, should and must deal with. Even if Reparations were to come down the pike tomorrow, it still wouldn’t deal with that video and many others like it show, and just might make matters worse.

                      I am not attacking you. I am asking you a simple question: would YOU, like to live among the Black folks depicted in that video, Nomada? Would anyone reading this? Cmon, let’s keep it brutally 100 here. I can tell you straight up I wouldn’t – but there are lots and lots of Blacks who may not be able to just up and move to a place where, for sheer distance and money alone, keeps such problematic Black folks out. Why must they endure such a thing, Nomada? And, why aren’t our supposed best and brightest, putting a spotlight on it? I mean, why is it a Sotomayor is among the relative few doing this, and not the Coates, et al, of the world?

                      I do not accept the argument that “thus and so is fiercely arrayed against us as Black people”. I believe Black people have all the tools, know-how and resources, to do pretty much whatever they want to do at this point in American life. If we want a media that fosters the full spectrum of the Black experience, we can have that. If we want to cultivate Black minds such that they apply to the academic world, we can do that. I think the main reason as to how and why Black folks don’t do so many things, isn’t because of Racism, but because of their own failure to succeed. But the great news is, this is something within their own power to change. Black people cannot nor should “solve” Racism – that’s for Whites to hash out. Black people, in the meantime, should get about the business of being the best they can be. That’s why I say and write what I do, Nomada, because I think Black folk can do and be a heck of a lot better than they currently are.

                      And while you would be right that no one I’ve presented as done any peer reviewed studies about life on the ground in Black communities, their analysis of the situation wouldn’t that far off from those who have – like Elijah Anderson out of UPenn, or Edin and Kefelas, or Sean Patrick Griffin, all of whom have done exhaustive sociological studies right here in my hometown of Philly, for example. What I think you and others here in the forum may take exception to, is the harsh, unforgiving tone of the Sotomayors and the like, and to which, quite frankly, I rather enjoy. I have little stomach for the feel good “softening” language that quite a few policy wonks and academics in this regard peddle in; I prefer a much more robust, and candid, view of things on the ground.

                      It is true that nothing exists in a vacuum – but it is also true that one can and should look out for what they can do for themselves. I think a lot of Black folk use the “no Man’s an Island” argument as an excuse and a crutch not to address problems they can do something about. I say this, more than anything else, is a real “legacy of slavery” – a reinforced and learned helplessness, that robs us of any agency to impact and affect our own lives. It is something that, to be frank, I find repugnant. Because I wasn’t raised that way, and I come from the same Black America as those who tout this line do. If I can do it, why can’t they?

                      I grow tired of a deeply dysfunctional mindset among Black Americans – particularly those who would be considered “educated” – that says that any and everything in life that impacts on us negatively, can, should and must be tied to some White Man(TM). I find that deeply debilitating, and ultimately negates the very Humanity we claim to seek. You and others may want Whites to recognize the Humanity of Black Americans.

                      I want Black Americans to recognize the Humanity within themselves.

                      Call it “simplicity” if you must; I call it commonsense.

                      O.

                      Now adjourn your arses…

                    • NomadaNare

                      O,

                      I’m sorry you feel that by demanding evidence that supports your opinion (which is in opposition to those that have already brought readily available evidence) that I am clouding the subject. I think most academics would just call that a proper, reasoned debate, though. Why even engage academics (and those that cite academics) if you have no intention of engaging them on their level?

                      Again, I guess I have to clarify because you are content to misrepresent my argument. This has nothing to do with getting “approval” from whites or satisfying some internal deficiency. This has to do with realizing that we live on a single planet with other people and that as long as we live on this planet we have to share it with others. I’d much prefer to share it with people that recognize the collective humanity of every human being than those that do not because when you stop seeing the humanity of human beings, terrible things happen (as evidenced by history). And all this before we get into the insidious effects of racism.

                      You might believe that the world is big enough to escape from anything, and that you can continue by yourself, but the truth of the matter is that it takes hundreds, perhaps thousands of people for you to continue to exist in the way that you do. No man is an island, indeed. If society collapsed at this moment, you wouldn’t last a week. Our interdependencies make the world small and immitigably complex. The actions of a few can affect everyone, in many cases, and under a multitude of circumstances. The truth of the matter is that this is about survival and we’re more likely to survive as a species if we understand that we’re all human. Any path not beginning with that understanding, dooms us all, especially with the level of technology that we have attained. It will take every brilliant mind we have available to combat climate change, the threat of nuclear war, food shortages, water shortages, energy shortages, space travel, etc. etc. and I’d much prefer every mind and person working together for a better future than disregarding a considerable portion of humanity because one doesn’t “need” or can’t recognize the inherent humanity of the other.

                      That being said, if you can’t take an honest look at your people and see that they are like anyone else except with a weight tied around their ankles by others, I really don’t know what to tell you. Your explanation that black people just “fail” seems to just try and wish away the weight, but it doesn’t take into account that black people lag in almost every “objective” indicator currently in use. So, that leads us to consider two options: the tests are off because the people administering the tests are off, or our people are collectively failing because they’re inferior. Which one is it? What’s most interesting is that the ones providing the narrative that the tests (and people that do the testing) are off (the educated black folk and academics you consistently deride overwhelming go towards one position), are in fact the ones most invested in protecting the very systems that imbue them with some modicum of power. Why do the people who most embody this self-motivated-no-excuses-can-do attitude you continue to try to present as some sort of psychological cure all say the same thing, even when it’s counter to their best interests? Justice Sotomayor of the SCOTUS is a prime example. In maintaining her position, she casts doubt on the institutions that grant her degrees, her money, and her status, (because they are implicated as well) and if successful, this would hurt her way more than it hurts anyone else, yet she does it anyway. Really, why would any academic lie about a topic like this (myself included)?

                      A couple of more things. Black people don’t need and have never needed to seek humanity outside of themselves. Most black people (with the exception of a few) understand that other black people are human. It’s every one else that can’t seem to get that concept and this creates strife and conflict. We have no problem validating ourselves and have been for millennia before and centuries after the trans-Atlantic slave trade, so I ask again, what are you talking about?

                      Also, since you keep trying to bring this up, I am in the process of moving out of Naperville, IL (google it, it’s literally one of the richest suburbs in the midwest if not the country) to the West or South side of Chicago. Why? Not because I can’t afford to live in Naperville, I make more than enough. I want to move to areas you claim that no black person wants to move to because Chicagoland is so segregated that you can’t really live next to a decent population of black people unless you live in one of those areas. I am in direct contradiction to your argument and while one case does not make a sustainable point, you continued to try to base your argument on my personal decisions. Well there you go. What say you about it, now?

                      Finally, have you ever considered that Coates et al. ie the best and brightest *are* shining a spotlight on “what’s happening on the ground” and that this is it? There’s a reason he and others that say the same thing are lauded among those that read him, the educated, and academia. Have you ever thought that this isn’t some condescending argument or victim play, but just the way it is, as seen by people that have actually *done* the research?

                      NN

                    • @Nomada:
                      ” O,
                      I’m sorry you feel that by demanding evidence that supports your opinion (which is in opposition to those that have already brought readily available evidence) that I am clouding the subject. I think most academics would just call that a proper, reasoned debate, though. Why even engage academics (and those that cite academics) if you have no intention of engaging them on their level?”

                      O: I had no idea that I would be engaging academics in giving my views on Coates, one; and secondarily, I honestly do not think it takes a formal debate to simply take a look around, see that Black folks have problems brought at least in part due to their own actions, and simply say, that they can do something about that.

                      “Again, I guess I have to clarify because you are content to misrepresent my argument.”

                      O: Please! Clarity is by far, better than agreement.

                      “This has nothing to do with getting “approval” from whites or satisfying some internal deficiency.”

                      O: Alright…

                      “This has to do with realizing that we live on a single planet with other people and that as long as we live on this planet we have to share it with others. I’d much prefer to share it with people that recognize the collective humanity of every human being than those that do not because when you stop seeing the humanity of human beings, terrible things happen (as evidenced by history). And all this before we get into the insidious effects of racism.”

                      O: I don’t disagree; from the looks of things in say, North Philly, or the west side of Chicago, it seems that the people most in need of seeing the humanity of others, are the Blacks there who preying on other Blacks – like the 9 shot and killed, and another 35 or so injured, out in Chitown, last month *over Easter weekend, no less*:

                      http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BQXljEdNm2Y

                      “You might believe that the world is big enough to escape from anything, and that you can continue by yours elf, but the truth of the matter is that it takes hundreds, perhaps thousands of people for you to continue to exist in the way that you do. No man is an island, indeed. If society collapsed at this moment, you wouldn’t last a week.”

                      O: LOL, speak for yourself, Nomada. I am more than capable of fending for myself if I had to: I know how to hunt, with both a bow and a gun, know how deal with a number of survivalist situations, etc, long before Katrina ever happened, and stepped up that training in the years since. Indeed, Katrina serves as a powerful example of just what happens when Black folks depend on others to do for them what they can and should do for themselves.

                      “Our interdependencies make the world small and immitigably complex. The actions of a few can affect everyone, in many cases, and under a multitude of circumstances. The truth of the matter is that this is about survival and we’re more likely to survive as a species if we understand that we’re all human. Any path not beginning with that understanding, dooms us all, especially with the level of technology that we have attained. It will take every brilliant mind we have available to combat climate change, the threat of nuclear war, food shortages, water shortages, energy shortages, space travel, etc. etc. and I’d much prefer every mind and person working together for a better future than disregarding a considerable portion of humanity because one doesn’t “n eed” or can’t recognize the inherent humanity of the other.”

                      O: I don’t disagree; so, I take it that you will begin the spreading of that understanding, when you move into the heart of the warzone, that is the west side of the Chi – right? Because it is there that the kind of “We Are The World(TM)” understanding really needs to happen. Technology – in the form of highly lethal firearms – are being used to off large numbers of Blacks every day – by other Blacks. Good luck.

                      “That being said, if you can’t take an honest look at your people and see that they are like anyone else except with a weight tied around their ankles by others, I really don’t know what to tell you. Your explanation that black people just “fail” seems to just try and wish away the weight, but it doesn’t take into account that black people lag in almost every “objective” indicator currently in use. So, that leads us to consider two options: the tests are off because the people administering the tests are off, or our people are collectively failing because they’re inferior. Which one is it? What’s most interesting is that the ones providing the narrative that the tests (and people that do the testing) are off (the e ducated black folk and academics you consistently deride overwhelming go towards one position), are in fact the ones most invested in protecting the very systems that imbue them with some modicum of power.”

                      O: And what, are we to say about many of the things Blacks do to themselves – take on the health front. Is “racism” to account for how and why Blacks smoke more, and more dangerous kinds of cigarettes, than anyone else? What their drug and alcohol abuse levels – is “racism” there, at fault too?

                      Let’s look at obesity – is “institutional racism” the reason as to why Black people, Black Women most especially in this instance, the fattest in the country? Is “racism”, the reason as to how and why Black Men gun each other down at ridiculously high numbers? Does “racism” cause our communities to be strewn with trash and filth? If so, how can we explain previous eras where Blacks, at least not the extent it exists today, did differently – were they not under the “yoke” of “racism”, too? How do we explain that?

                      “Why do the people who most embody this self-motivated-no-excuses-can-do attitude you continue to try to present as some sort of psychological cure all say the same thing, even when it’s counter to their best interests? Justice Sotomayor of the SCOTUS is a prime example. In maintaining her position, she casts doubt on the institutions that grant her degrees, her money, and her status, (because they are implicated as well) and if successful, this would hurt her way more than it hurts anyone else, yet she does it anyway. Really, why would any academic lie about a topic like this (myself included)?”

                      O: Who said anything about “lying”? I think it’s entirely possible for people such as the ones you mention, like Justice Sotomayor (who’s background I’m quite familiar with) are True Believers – and yet, they don’t hold the monopoly on the One True Way to view things; there are other Blacks, like Dr. Ben Carson, who are just talented (if not arguably much moreso), who see things just a bit differently. But, because he happens to disagree with Sotomayor, he’s got a problem – right?

                      “A couple of more things. Black people don’t need and have never needed to seek humanity outside of themselves. Most black people (with the exception of a few) understand that other black people are human. It’s every one else that can’t seem to get that concept and this creates strife and conflict. We have no problem validating ourselves and have been for millennia before and centuries after the trans-Atlantic slave trade, so I ask again, what are you talking about?”

                      O: I was responding to your parting shot in your last response; I say Black folk don’t need Whites to “recognize their Humanity”; Black folks need to recognize the Humanity within themselves. Once they do, perhaps so many of them wouldn’t do the things that they to do each other – as per the many Sotomayor YouTubes I present.That’s what I’m talking about.

                      “Finally, since you keep trying to bring this up, I am in the process of moving out of Naperville, IL (google it, it’s literally one of the richest suburbs in the midwest if not the country) to the West or South side of Chicago. Why? Not because I can’t afford to live in Naperville, I mak e more t han enough. I want to move to areas you claim that no black person wants to move to because Chicagoland is so segregated that you can’t really live next to a decent population of black people unless you live in one of those areas. I am in direct contradiction to your argument and while one case does not make a sustainable point, you continued to try to base your argument on my personal decisions. Well there you go. What say you now?”

                      O: Oh, I am quite familiar with Naperville. I say that you truly are the outlier; perhaps you are familiar with Oak Park, IL? It is just west of the west side of Chitown. I happen to know quite a few Black folk who hightailed it outta the west side of Chicago to Oak Park, for what should be to you and others familiar with the history, obvious reasons. It’s kinda like them on one lane out of the city, in something of an exodus, and you’re one of the few cars on the opposite lane, going in. I didn’t base anything on *just you*.

                      That’s what I say.

                      *shrugs*

                      :)

                      O.

                    • Epsilonicus

                      ” I’m just wondering how he got roped in with people he either didn’t deal with at all (MRA) or actively despised (PUA). Something went horribly wrong in a hurry.”

                      That is because people do not listen to understand. They listen in order to respond. Those are very different types of listening.

                    • Val

                      “That is because people do not listen to understand. They listen in order
                      to respond. Those are very different types of listening.”

                      Nominates this for VSB quote of the week.

                    • Sahel

                      Ey,am the only one mandated to give out awards on VSB. I will sue you

                    • Val

                      You’ve been slacking. People have been talking about ousting you. Petitions are in the planning stages.

                    • Word. Some people are just looking to pounce on people, and this dude going off was their chance. This isn’t to say that this guy is exactly a perfect candidate for canonization by any stretch. Someone who shoots, stabs and mows down people in cars because he can’t get laid has capital-I issues. If you are trying to do something, at least try to figure out the clique he was rolling with first.

                    • menajeanmaehightower

                      Todd, this isn’t what I’ve read. It seems that he was part of the PUA community which my assumption is that a lot of the PUA guys venture into the MRA space. I could be mistaken but here is one of the articles:

                      http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/30/elliot-rodger-puahate-forever-alone-reddit-forums

                      It seems that he was on reddit a lot and some other sub threads that focused on men’s lack of chex and dislike for women in general.

                      To be honest, the things he said is what i have read on the few men’s rights blogs that i have visited. His language is accurate in what you would find in the comments sections and the actual post. There was obviously an audience and group that he was welcomed into online.

                      It’s one of those things where a group starts that for all intentions is for “rights” in general but the discussion can go anywhere.

                    • It’s interesting you mentioned Reddit, because I first heard the news of the shootings through that site. A lot of the discussion threads he was on with various sites got scrubbed, but to the extent he dealt with them, he was either hating on PUAs or getting called on his BS. To say he was a part of the community is a stretch. That said, you are right in how discussions online can go left. It doesn’t necessarily mean he was welcomed within them.

                      If anything, dude seems like the real life Patrick Bateman. I stumbled onto a collection of his non-misogynistic vids, and it’s about him wearing designer gear driving the California coast and listening to Steve Winwood, Phil Collins and early Whitney Houston. I’m not sure if he was actively into that stuff or just trying. It seemed weird.

                    • menajeanmaehightower

                      I think the main point is that those blogs and sites do breed the type of language he was talking about. I have read through comment feeds before and NOTHING that he said was out of the norm from what i have seen.

                      Heck, i’ve seen some of his same ramblings posted here. Maybe not with the same extreme hatred but definitely along the same lines. When people say hateful stuff online, or go out of their way to stir the pot, i believe this is how they are in real life.

                    • I see what you’re getting at, but if it wasn’t those site, it would be something else. I think dude would have gotten crazy in the comments of cat bloggers. You’re right on the hateful language, but I think that more than anything else, the PUA scene were just the lucky contestants. Heck, like you said, dude could have easily gotten on here and wilded out.

                    • menajeanmaehightower

                      This is probably true. I just don’t believe that we can fully discredit the connection or deny the fact that there is one.

                    • @Ms. Mena:
                      I can mosst d=certainly, without fear of rebuke, discredit the connection made here; let’s start with the best known of the PUAs and their forums, shall we? What about the Styleife Academy, ran and founded by Neil Style Strauss himself? Or Mystery’s school? Or Adam Lyons? Was Mr. Rodger a member of one of these? I mean, if Game and Pickup are truly as “evil” as the Liars in the Media claim, why can’t they prove it with the biggest names in the business – why do they have to go to the basement of the Internet, the subreddits?

                      Don’t believe the hype. Mr. Rodger wasn’t a part of the PUA community if anything he was a part of the Anti-Pua movement. This is well documented.

                      As for your assertions about the Manosphere, may I ask what forums you actually frquented?

                      O.

                    • menajeanmaehightower

                      Honestly can’t remember. I went through a few and read through the comments, got disgusted and left. I think i still follow the red pill guy on my Pulse.

                    • menajeanmaehightower

                      Again, i’m not saying that i am right and like i said up top, i could be mistaken but i can see where the connection can be made.

                    • afronica

                      If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, then even if it vehemently denies being a duck…

                    • h.h.h.

                      kinda sounds like … you want certain speech to be illegal, and the males that believe in this…’dealt with’. how far off am i?

                    • menajeanmaehightower

                      Not at all. What i am saying is don’t deny that certain blogs breed this type of hatred.

                    • h.h.h.

                      i see. fair enough *Salute*

                    • @Ms. Mena: You are mistsaken; Mr. Rodger was NOT a part of any PUA forum worth its salt. And indeed if anything we have documented evidence that he quite loathed said comunity. The MSM and its Feminist allies are looking for a scapegoat and we won’t let them have it.

                      O.

                    • afronica

                      Forgive the length below. I get verbose when I think. And I’ve been thinking about this since the story broke.

                      I think a lot of people (and I include myself in this group) throw MRA, Game and PUA into the same bucket. Is that intellectually lazy? Could be. Is it fair? I really don’t know. It seems like when one of those topics come up, the other two aren’t far behind.

                      I don’t know what you do with someone who starts out rocking with the Game and PUA community, then becomes disenchanted because they don’t deliver unto him what he thought he deserved, but throughout sounds an awful lot like a badge winning, scout’s honor member of group he’s disparaging.

                      The thing that Rodgers has become (not the person, but the symbol) presents a number of challenges and contradictions. For just one example, his videos and writings sound crazy as a loon to me. But calling him crazy lets him off the hook in a way for what he did. But don’t you have to be crazy to kill even one person who did nothing to you?

                      Another example: It really does feel like Rodgers latched on to Game/PUA to solve his very particular problems getting laid. But I think he could very easily have blamed our deteriorating environment (he could have felt a kinship with frogs born intersex in waters polluted with prescription drugs). Who knows what theory he could have latched on to? Does that necessarily discredit the theory that happened to catch his fancy? Maybe not. But…isn’t anyone attracted to or a student of Game/PUA trying to solve the particular problem of getting womanly attention? In that light, is Rodgers a one-off or the beginning of a trend?

                      I don’t know how to grok the fetid soupy mess that is this guy.

                    • @Ms. Afronica:
                      Again: there is NO evidence that Mr. Rodger belonged to ANY PUA/Game community beyond a paltry few subreddit discussion lits, if that; on the other hand, he was such an avid member of PUAHate.com, that the site had to be taken down(!). Some have tried to argue that he was a YouTube subscriber of another PUA outfit, RSD (which was indeed featured in the memoir “The Game”), further investigation of Mr. Rodger’s YouTube subscriptions reveals that he had more Pokemon subscriptions; couldn’t we say that it was Pokemon that made him feel some kind of way?

                      Additionaally, there was no evidence in the least, that Mr. Rodger was connected or involved with the MRA community, or even the MGTOW community. He was simply associated with all these sub-communites of the wider Manosphere based on the biases and political agendas of the (White) Feminist Lobby and their allies in the MSM. Simple as.

                      Even the facts of those he mowed down and stabbed up, add up – the MSM argues that he “hated Women” and tried to argue that he killed more Women than anyone else, when both the body count and Mr. Rodger’s own writings/vlog states otherwise – more than twice as many Men dead/injured as Women, and he states his hatred of Men who are successful with Women as part of his motivation.

                      I am not a licensed clinician so I will not attempt to discuss Mr. Rodger’s mental and emotional state other than to say that, per documents now known to the media, it appears that he was under mental health supervision for quite some time. Nuff said.

                      Simply put, there is NO linkange, whatsoever, of Mr. Rodger to the Manosphere, no matter how you want to slice it. PUAHate is NOT affiliated with the ‘sphere, fullstop, and if anything, they are inimicable to much of it.

                      This is a McCarthyesque witch hunt, an effort on the part of Feminist Ideologues and their allies to scapegoat their ideological and political adversaries, the Manosphere, on trumped up and bogus charges, up to and including incitment to violence at A Voice For Men’s upcoming Men’s Conference in Detroit in June, and an effort to urge the Obama govt to designate the Manosphere as a “terrorist organization”.

                      Shameful!

                      O.

                    • Val

                      “But calling him crazy lets him off the hook in a way for what he did.”

                      My thought exactly on this.

                    • afronica

                      I had a college prof who was rabidly against the insanity defense. Then, I thought he was rigid and heartless. But the older I get, the more I appreciate his arguments.

                    • Val

                      I think it’s appropriate sometimes but it seems to me that certain groups benefit from that defense more than others. In this case the media is falling all over itself to paint him as “insane”. He may have been disturbed but he wasn’t insane.

                    • I see your point. Sometimes people become more symbols than flesh and blood humans and, fairly or not, he put himself out there as a symbol.

              • Low cut top eh

  • Msdebbs

    ” It need not be 600.” @Obsidian

    If a squirrel walks in my path I’m screaming and running the other way. The End.

    • @Ms. Debbs:
      I’m flattered! “Obsidian on the brain” does tend to happen quite a bit with the ladies, I’m afraid.

      ;)

      O.

  • Sahel

    If a squirrel walks in my path,i would wonder if it tastes like chicken

    • Msdebbs

      Bon Appetit

    • Beijing Kitchen restaurant says it does.

      • In HS, one of my teammates was a brother from Flushing. If you know Queens, then you know that Flushing is the big Asian mecca, with a LOT of signs in Chinese. Man, if you would have taped us, we would have been on some Donald Sterling status with the Asian jokes. LOL

      • IcePrincess

        So does my redneck uncle

    • Rabbit tastes like chicken. Squirrel tastes like squirrel.

      • “Squirrel tastes like squirrel.”

        which is to say, tree rat.

        • I guess. Has a nice nutty flavor though.

          • IcePrincess

            BOL! Well played, sir

      • miss t-lee

        Rabbit really does taste like chicken, so strange.

      • menajeanmaehightower

        Agreed. The meat has a different taste.

      • Sahel

        Depends what type of squirrel

  • So I walk outside and a squirrel runs right into my path.

    I throw a rock at it and continue on my way, walking with Juvenile’s “Back That A** Up” playing silently in the background. I feel like my Ruby Woo isn’t as violently red as it could be and I quickly swipe more onto my lips without breaking my stride. The squirrel is awed by my presence and even though he clutches his crumpled tail in pain, he can’t help but wonder how he was so blessed to have been assaulted by a creature such as myself. I’m feeling rather parched and hungry so I glide effortlessly towards Whole Foods. Once inside, I inhale deeply and immediately regret this decision. “Wet dog” I mumble pensively. I make my way to the salad bar and throw my favorite goodies into a plastic container. Only the best produce for this Bougie Black Girl. A cottage cheese faced white woman broods as I saunter over to the juice aisle to pick out the freshest of organic cranberry nectars. Auntie Badu says this makes the yoni sweet so how could I pass? I float towards the cashier, seemingly hovering as a Goddess would. He smiles nervously as he bags my meal. I wink and slightly nod my head, affirming that I noticed him, noticing me, noticing him. I slide him a penny and whisper seductively “Keep the change, you’ve earned it”. On my way out I spot my friend Malik sitting alone on a nearby bench. He indulges me in conversation about the cosmos, jazz, and the struggles of urinating with morning wood. Riveting. I bid Malik farewell and levitate through the air on a nimbus cloud. I am home. My credit score is high. My skin is brown. My afro smells of coconut and God’s favor. I am winning.

    • @Ms. RubyWhatever,
      So very Piscean…poetry is you, my dear.

      O.

      • How is this foolishness I wrote Piscean lol?

        • h.h.h.

          too many adjectives, lol.

          • I feel those did me no justice to be honest.

    • IcePrincess

      I slide him a penny and whisper seductively “Keep the change, you’ve earned it” BWAHAHAAHA!!!!!!! #DEADANDBURIED

    • I was all straight-faced until this:

      ” I am home. My credit score is high. My skin is brown. My afro smells of coconut and God’s favor. I am winning.”

      and then I bust out laughing. Kudos, ma.

      • It’s Funday Friday! We should do these more often!

    • Andrea

      You gotta try the Maleficent lipstick! It is ‘Violently Red’!!!

      • Please don’t encourage me lol I stay in Sephora, ULTA, and MAC spending my checks :-( However, this sounds promising!

        • LadyIbaka

          MAC has this purple lipstick that’s so bomb, I can’t even. Looks great on every skin shade.

        • LadyIbaka

          MAC has this purple lipstick that’s so bomb, I can’t even. Looks great on every skin shade.

          • Name?

            • LadyIbaka

              Mac heroine A93. I believe . Try it and check back.

              • I love Heroine and Ruby Woo, until one day I was in Walgreens and found Stand Out by Revlon Color Stay!!!! I Live for it!!!!

  • cryssi

    So I walk outside and a squirrel runs right into my path…

    And snatches up the nuts right out of my hand. I’m like run up, get done up. Cause everybody is just a squirrel tryna get a nut. So don’t take my nuts to make peanut butter, cause a ninja got too much jelly. And I don’t think you ready for this jelly. Bootilicious is my body, like bath and body works. Which to be a fragrance haven, it sure does stink. Cause sometimes roses do really smell like boo boo. So don’t piss on me and tell me it’s raining, I’ve never been R. Kellyed and there doesn’t need to be a first time for everything. Cause everything is everything, so nothing is nothing, which makes nothing something. So nothing is also everything? There are too many things to count and age ain’t nothing but a number. R. Kelly still shouldn’t have married a 15 year old Aaliyah. I just realized that in January I turned 23, that’s a year older than Aaliyah was when she passed. Why does that make me feel old now? But, I definitely don’t want to be a part of the die young crew. I want to die like Rose in The Titanic, super old and shriveled floating on a bed in water.

  • LadyIbaka

    Every now and then I wish I was a tree because I’ve always (like for real for real, like seriously) wondered if trees communicate with other trees and whether they have love lives . Do they fall in love like we do? Yes, I know they are not human and do not have brains like we do. But who is to say, they don’t have a system of existence that is not apparent to research scientists in which they feel, they cry, they love, they hate, they procreate, they TALK (this fascinates me too, because I literally talk to them)! Oh mi gosh. How about the fact I’m always hitting a tree with my legs to see whether it says, ouch! So far, it’s just been the defeaning sound of nothing! These muffakaz don’t talk back. Clearly, I’m insane! I’ve also often wondered how they pass time, other than just standing majestic, forming canopies and having rough barks that sometimes produce sap fit for human consumption, and of course squirrels! Maple syrup anyone? Turururururu, I’m loving it! Speaking of which, whenever I eat Chinese food, I make sure to block out the fact that I could be eating a vulture that was shot down from its late night adventure and served to me as ‘ ‘figh dorra shiken’. Lawwwd hammercy! The other day, as I was eating a piece of shiken that tasted nothing like chicken, it occured to me that the dead piece of meat had a story. Chinese-American fast food has a story behind it NOT culture. Fight me oo, but not in an elevator, I ain’t got no bodyguard!! I never dare ask why general tso’s from my favorite buffet differs greatly from the one I’ve started frequenting of late. The latter one has a hippopotamus flavor to it, granted I’ve never eaten a hippo before, you are right to question my taste buds. Did the OKC win tonight?! Don’t answer this question if they lost.

  • kidvideo

    If a squirrel ran up on me its going in my shirt pocket cause im the king of the thrid world like the reagge band of the hand was my favorite flick besides the ones with vanessa del rios lips and hip to the game like i had a ref whisle put ya lips together so we can blow town like harlem nights in the daylite is where i lay my game down flat travel all cross the world blow u off of the map spin the globe put my finger where wanna be at hit NYC ride a pony wit dr.ruth or running trains wit the rutgers alumi hit malik up for his geek glasses start grabbin puero rican a*ses wit my parking lot pimpin eat steak wit my shrimpin hit the bottom of the country where the gamecocks play for money and fame where ruby
    woo woo shows me her pretty pieced parts

    • kidvideo

      Continue from up top…

      pineapples.

      Thats all i got like 3k ranting bout that used car in his neighbors front yard.

  • Secret Sauce

    If I see a squirrel on my side of the street, I’m going to the other side of the street. And if on the other side of the street, I see a bigoted billionaire sports owner, I’m going to Sonic and getting a Strawberry Limeade.

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