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Eugenics: Everyone’s Favorite Fantasy…Until It Gets Too Real

I’ve danced to DMX on a semi-nude beach in Italy. I’ve successfully dodged gunfire while hobbled with a torn ACL. I’ve gotten lost in someone’s bed before. (I was drunk and, well, it was a big-ass bed.) I read the 560 page Hannibal in less than 24 hours, and the 256 page Jazz in no less than 2,400 days. I even managed to not f*ck an AKA.

Basically, I’ve had a pretty fulfilling life so far. Well, at least that’s what I thought until I read about Asim Taylor.

From Clutch’s “Judge Orders Man To Stop Procreating”

A father of four, who owes $97,000 in back child support has been ordered to stop procreating. Judge James Walther, of Elyria, Ohio, handed down the sentence to Asim Taylor and he also received five years’ of probation for failure to pay child support. If Taylor impregnates another woman within this time period, he could face a year in jail.

We’ll get to the actual meaning of a judge making a ruling on someone’s sexual activity in a minute. Now, though, I need to take a moment to recognize and acknowledge the fact that nothing I’ve done in my life compares to being able to strip naked, walk to the full-length mirror behind your bathroom door, stare at your penis, and know that whatever you’re packing is potent enough to make a f*cking judge craft a legal precedent because of it. There’s nothing I or anyone else can ever do to top that. No experience measures up, no activity or achievement compares. We are all Don Quixotes endlessly chasing windmills, and by “Don Quixotes endlessly chasing windmills” I mean “Losing the pissing contest of life to a man who can always just say “N*gga, you can’t tell me nothin’. My dick has a court docket number.”

Penis envy aside, Judge Walther’s decision is something I can reasonably assume we’ve all wished we could do at one time. If you are one of those people who say they’ve never been in Target or on the train or on Facebook or in Detroit or at a family reunion and looked at a man or a woman or the demon-mouthed, jackal-faced progeny of some anonymous man or woman and thought to themselves “Some people just shouldn’t be allowed to procreate” fine. I don’t believe you, and you need more people, but fine.

For the rest of us, though, this fantasy takes up a surprising—and disturbing—amount of mindspace. We pray that certain people don’t have kids. And, for some of those who do already have kids—and have proven to be as useless as parents as tits on a maggot—we pray they don’t have any more. But, our wishes never come true. In fact, the amount of children a person has nowadays seems to be inversely correlated to the amount of times someone looked at them and thought their name should just be “Nochance.”

So, why does this decision rub me the wrong way? Let’s forget about the Pandora’s Box it opens. (For instance, if he knocks a woman up, can she be charged as an accessory to a crime?) Let’s even forget about whether it’s constitutionally relevant or even f*cking legal. As much as I’ve wished I could be king for a day and tie the tubes of every hoodrat ahead of me in line at Giant Eagle, haughtily bringing 18 items to the 12 items or less aisle, the thought of actually possessing the power to do that—to be able to order and legally enforce a form of eugenics—just doesn’t seem right.

Perhaps it doesn’t seem right because, on a fundamental level, I know that it is. On every practical, logical, and biological level, it makes perfect sense to do what we can to deter “undesirables” from having children. In fact, considering that we’re the only species that not only allows the weakest and dumbest of us to have the most children, but puts valuable resources into saving weak and dumb children instead of allowing them to die off, it’s senseless not to practice eugenics.

But, when what is or isn’t undesirable is left up to something as arbitrary as human determination, whose to say that your name won’t eventually be on that list? Basically, if you start eugenics, where does it stop?

—Damon Young (aka “The Champ”)

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Damon Young is the editor-in-chief of VSB. He is also a contributing editor for EBONY.com. He resides in Pittsburgh, and he really likes pancakes.

  • keisha brown

    i just read this article on clutch…and im honestly speechless.
    i’ll need to think about it and come back….

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

      still speechless?

      • keisha brown

        LOL. sorry. i got distracted.

        i honestly still don’t really know what to think. i mean part of me wants to applaud the ruling, but it’s a ruling like this post and the article says is RIFE with issues.

        and what’s the sub context here? i mean before honey boo boo’s family got a tv show or octomom got ‘famous’ would we have mandated the same thing? i’m not one to turn everything racist, but part of me wonders if the ruling would be the same for um.. people of lighter shades.

        and how would you really apply this? you can’t be with the man every second of every day, and esp every time he wants to get his mac and cheese on. nor can you force every woman he wants to sleep with to use birth control.

        im still scratching my head…

  • Fivegirl

    Is the ruling about preventing an “undesirable” from having children, or is it more about preventing a man from creating another child he can’t provide for? I, not sure if I’m making sense, but I don’t see this as a value judgement on him as a human who should not create spawn as much as it is a lesson in financial responsibility.

    • Iceprincess2

      +601

    • chameleonic

      i agree, but….a man who can not provide generally should not be considered valuable. that may not be the judiciary judgement but the resonance it has is he is not making valuable contribution as a man, as a person, or financially. hes just….f*cking around.

    • Todd

      Agreed, but the precedent can spiral out of control very quickly. Let this run wild, and next thing you know, they’ll be sterilizing New York Yankee fans throughout the Commonwealth of Massachusetts

    • Kema

      Exactly! I consider this to be similar to a judge saying you cant drink for a certain amout of time because of repeated illegal drunk behavior or requiring you to attend anger management meetings.

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

      “Is the ruling about preventing an “undesirable” from having children, or is it more about preventing a man from creating another child he can’t provide for?”

      .

      What’s the difference?

      • Jesi

        He isn’t creating children he cannot provide for. If the children lived in his house and he fed and clothed them and they visited their mothers on weekends, he would be receiving child support, not owing it. What he’s actually doing is creating children that he then abandons.

        • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

          but, arent you deeming this man—and anyone who exhibits this behavior—an undesirable?

          • mpm210

            Well, the judge isn’t actually stopping the guy from having another kid (like castrating him), he’s just telling that there will be a penalty if he fathers another child that he can’t support. So while it might be a fine line, I don’t think I would consider this eugenics, so much as behavioral manipulation.

            • mpm210

              Although, this will never stand up, because it seems that the constitutionality of the decision is more than suspect.

          • Sweetsass

            Legally he is within his rights.

            Morally… he is a blight to humanity and if there is a God… may he stike this fool down with a big azz lightening bolt.

  • That Ugly Kid

    I would like to stop all the hoodrats who co-sign their children being violent cowards to all get their tubes tied. Because I’m sick of dealing with that sh*t in Chicago. Just had 3 kids get shot just a few hours ago. Two of them were from my old high school. A 15 year old girl was shot and killed and a 16 year old boy was shot and injured. My bestfriend’s little sister had her friend, another 15 year old girl, murdered just a few hours ago as well.

    I don’t care if the ugly people procreated. Anything is better than the neglectful and irresponsible reproducing. Parents who make no effort to stop their kids from being a danger to themselves and other people.

    • Val

      I just read about that 15 year old girl who was shot. The report said she was in a band that had performed at the Presidential inauguration. The first thing I thought is will the nation mourn for her? Will the President comfort her mother? Will her lose promote conversations about gun violence?

      Chicago is really getting hit hard, TUK. It just never stops. It’s a genocide in slow motion.

      Anyway, my prayers to you and your friend, whose sister lost her friend..

      • Todd

        Let’s wait and see. After all, this is a president who at least generally seems to give a damn about Chicago. I get the feeling he’ll at least make a mention of it, even if the MSM doesn’t push it.

        • Val

          Yep, we’ll see.

      • KingLOS

        in not so slow motion. Good point!

    • H.H.H. aka Dan Smith

      i heard about saturday as well…2 double homicides…crazy. stay safe cuz.

    • msdebbs

      Chicago needs the dang military. The sensless murders and killing of these people and children needs to stop…like NOW!

      • kittensonfire

        ^^^^^ THIS! ^^^^

    • Gem Jones

      this makes me so sad. and angry.

    • Yoles

      i feel lost when thinking about senseless murders and especially what is going on in chicago. i feel almost hopeless. i can not put a finger on what exactly is occuring? are these drugs wars? gang issues? unadressed mental health concerns? i am deeply saddened for you and all the others who have lost someone. my condolences to you and your friends/family/family of your friends.

      • Sweet GA Brown

        I think its a mix of all that you stated. It really is sad because inocent people are losing their lives and it just wont seem to stop.

    • Todd

      TUK, I feel for your city. There’s no reason in the world Chicago should be having more murders than NYC when we have 3x more people. This isn’t pure hood ish, but something else all together, and I hope people get their act together SOON.

    • Obsidian

      This is very simple: White lives are worth more than Black lives.

      Period.

      President Barack Obama, whose adopted hometown is Chicago, dropped everything and moved heaven and earth to address, meaningfully, the deaths of upwards of 30 people in a lilly-white suburb in CT. Chitown can get that many dead in a week, or less.

      Within a month, there is already moves afoot to reinstitute the AWB. Because worthy White lives were lost.

      A. Month.

      Chitown has had double the murder rate of the entire war effort in Afghanistan over the same period (a little more than a decade); one neighborhood in particular, Austin, which I’m sure TUK knows well, has had upwards of 500 murders over that same timeframe alone.

      Here in my hometown, last year, as many (Black) people were killed as in NYC, a city that is what, 7 times bigger?

      Come on.

      As the Wise Man Yogi Berra once famously said, “you can observe a lot by looking” – and it ain’t just GWB who don’t care about Black people.
      – Chitown, Philly, B’More and other major Black cities have been literally, knee-deep in blood, for years – in Obama’s case, going back to Chicago over the past four years there’s been what, around 2000 murders alone? – and he’s NEVER done what he did with Newtown.

      Never. And we all know it.

      O.

      • Charcoal Burnt Brother Lover

        THIS!!!!!!

      • Todd

        Sad but true.

      • Val

        +1

        • Charcoal Burnt Brother Lover

          *waving*!!! :)

          • Val

            *waves back* :-)

      • The Guy Formerly Know As Hmmmm

        im with you a full 100 on this.

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

      As hard as this is to believe, the violence in Chicago is actually better than it was a decade or two ago. Last year, the city saw 500 murders. In the mid-90’s, that number was regularly around 900.

      • Obsidian

        This is true; nevertheless my point still stands – that it would not be surprising at all to discover that, over the course of Obama’s first four years in office, some TWO THOUSAND MURDERS took place in Chicago – with nary a word from him. Compare and contrast to Newtown.
        .
        I rest my case…
        .
        O.

        • Charcoal Burnt Brother Lover

          O, yOu are sO On pOint!!!!!!!

    • YeahSo

      I agree with you TUK… there’s nothing worse than a parent with no respect or sanctity for life having a child… makes no sense and it should be against the law… I’m so heart-broken and defeated.

    • Jasmin

      Did you go to King? My cousin went there, and my aunt called to tell me about the senior killed last week. And people ask why I won’t teach in CPS…

      • Jasmin

        Correction: She was 15.

  • DQ

    The judge means well… but the road to hell is paved with good intentions. This has bad idea written all over it. Can you just imagine the implications or where it could lead? Will those living within a certain percentage of FPL (Federal Poverty Level) be barred from having kids next?

    Garnish his wages, liquidate his assets, but don’t tell him (or anyone else) from the bench that they can’t have kids. The idea is just unseemly.

    • Val

      +1

    • chameleonic

      lol. i think people need to see reality. i think it needs to be made clear how unfit they are and if laws are enacted, so be it. if youre worried about it dont be foolish with the power to create life and exhibit some discretion and self control.

    • Todd

      +2

    • Always Lurking

      I agree. However, sadly most deadbeat dads have little to no income and absolutely no assets to liquidate. The two (deadbeat + wages/assets) hardly ever coexist.

    • LMNOP

      I don’t get why they don’t just lock him up? Wouldn’t that interfere with his ability to procreate in a much less controversial way?

      • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

        Isn’t that counterproductive, though? How can someone pay child support if they’re in prison?

        • Sweetsass

          He is already not paying for it and it appears he has no plans on doing so. So it’s just, does the state want to bear the cost of locking this human refuse up.

          • Lady_HoHum

            You can receive jail time if you are in arrears for child support and make no effort to pay. Also, in some states, once in prison there is a freeze on the amount owed while one serves their sentence.

    • YeahSo

      I don’t know DQ… I think the way our taxes are set-up we all share in the responsiblity of those who are not willing to take care of their own (and don’t get me wrong, in some cases it’s definitely warranted)… It’s a difficult call but if you can’t take care of yourself and you’re even TRYING too contribute to society, why are you having children?… in a way I think it forces people to be more proactive and thoughtful about their futures… My only concern is putting that decision the in hands of someone else (government) is horrible. I wish there was another way.

      • YeahSo

        *not even trying

  • msdebbs

    I died at “tits on a maggot”…

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

      so did the maggot, apparently

  • iamnotakata

    Can they bring that rule to Houston? I agree with it! Some people just don’t need to bring children into the world b/c they are miserable at life and subsequently will make miserable children!

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

      your last name isn’t sanger, is it?

  • Gem Jones

    hmmmm that is VERY interesting…

    ive actually had this discussion with my coworkers, about a year ago. in OUR world, eugenics would be practiced. you wouldnt be encouraged or allowed to bring children into the world that you cant even attempt to pay for. children are the quickest way to poverty and its not fair to THEM.

    kids are expensive. even 2 working parents sometimes struggle to raise their children. and thats fine – many parents have done it and done it well. but having 4 children you have NO means of taking care of?? yeah, you need to not be able to procreate more and continue to populate the world with children that will have to scratch and survive because you cant wrap your d*ck in a Trojan.

    i cant tolerate subjecting children to a life of turmoil on account of poor economic choices on account of the parents. children dont deserve that struggle off the bat. some ppl fall on hard times and bad financial shit happens. but KNOWINGLY having kids that you can’t/won’t pay for?? no.

    im sure many will find that harsh – because that means many ppl wouldnt be here if they werent allowed to be conceive. but… *shrug*

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

      lol, you know that means you’d probably have to kiss goodbye to the NFL, right?

      • Sweetsass

        Good riddance.

    • Rewind

      I keep trying to imagine an America where all of its citizens could be responsibile adults.

      Then I just laugh and laugh, and laugh some more.

      • Sweetsass

        Freedumb.

  • Iceprincess2

    Remember I was telling yall bout the girl on Maury that was 19 yrs old with 4 kids by different men? Yea, put her on the “banned from procreating” list too.

    • LMNOP

      Honestly, I always feel really bad for those young girls in these kinds of situations on Maury. I feel like there is a very good chance they have been through a lot (like being abused and/ or raped) at a young age without the support or resources they need to cope and try to make a positive future for themselves and their children.

      Mirena does sound like a good option for that particular girl though.

      • esa

        i cant watch Maury without crying. there is so much pain in every story that is never spoken but always there, dark like a nightmare.
        .
        i hate that it is filmed in front of a studio audience. people feasting off someone’s misery, laughing and jeering in judgment. reminds me of Rome in the worst way. and there is Caesar Augustus Maurius with the thumbs up/thumbs down DNA results.
        .
        if it weren’t billed as entertainment, if it could be used as a platform for a real, open discussion of sexual abuse, sex education, parenting, of what is really happening in this country today ..

        • Rewind

          You can’t pity someone that literally volunteers to be a sideshow attraction for temporary fame and money.

          I mean you could if you want, but I don’t lose sleep on it.

          • esa

            i don’t pity them. i don’t pity anyone. i feel pain. and compassion. and the fact that they exploit themselves is further evidence of deep-rooted abused that i have yet to see addressed in a productive way.
            .
            i lose sleep all the time. maybe one day it will be for someone other than myself. i think this might be an improvement on the current situation, to tell you the truth ~*~

            • Rewind

              I get you but I just feel no compassion towards it. Life is still about choices, whether we recognize the consequences of those choices or not, the choice is still made. And then we have to take whatever comes of it. It’s always clear, had we known more at the time, we might have made a better decision. But when people give you reasons to not make bad decisions and you still heed your own words, the world no longer owes us a reason, because we decided on our own what to do.

              I know it is an ugly trend and people need to do be better, but since a majority of our populas feeds off this stuff and could care less, I don’t see anything changing.

          • LMNOP

            I know that a lot of people are fine with these kinds of shows, but they bother me on a lot of levels.
            .
            They bother me as a mother, that these are young kids who don’t seem to have anyone looking out for them or teaching them that they deserve to be treated with respect. And to see kids who aren’t even able to take care of themselves (at a basic emotional self-protective level) trying to take care of children of their own… and instead of support, guidance or a firm push in a positive direction we offer them ridicule?
            .
            They bother me as a rape victim who is very aware of how deeply that can mess up your ability to have healthy relationships and a healthy sex life and set boundaries.
            .
            They bother me as a person with a TV… I could keep going, but won’t.
            .
            I might be oversensitive, but this is why i don’t like maury.

            • Rewind

              I totally understand your point. It used to bother me a lot too. I don’t like seeing my generation in the shape that it is in. I don’t like that my generation seems to think the way we do things that make us look horrible is not only OK, but should be admired. But I can’t stop people from doing what they do. I rather focus on people who feel uncomfortable with that lifestyle and want to stick to quality, those are the only ones who will feel your pain and follow what you say.

  • Yoles

    i am torn, if i am to be honest. on one hand i do understand that having children that you can not support should not be a right and the government saying that you can no longer have any more because they do not want to support them makes sense logically BUT like Champ said this is a slippery slope. Will we become China? Will only the poor not be able to procreate? Who deicdes? Is there a blind panel? Congressional desicion?
    ~
    on the other hand i am pro euthanasia, not against suicide ( i do not believe that others can make a decision to force to continue life for someone that does not want it-even if i disagree with the persons reason, it is their life not mine) and so many times i have thought that certain people should be sterilized i question the reproductive decisions of people i have come across.
    ~
    i do not want to come off and insensitive or callous so i will stop here and comment more in the daylight hours

    • DQ

      I understand the judge’s rationale, I can empathize. If this dude doesn’t pay for his kids, we the tax payers eventually will. I get that. But I also understand the law of unintended consequences. Once you start down a road like this, you don’t come back. Having to chip in for someone’s else’s child is the FAR lesser of the two evils (in my opinion).

      • Val

        ” If this dude doesn’t pay for his kids, we the tax payers eventually will.”

        How do we know that’s true? The mother may be able to take care of the kid or kids without any public assistance. Lots of women do.

        • Yoles

          in order to have a failure to pay child support, it must be filed for first. that mother had to file for child support and even when she saw that he could not help AND she could afford to do it on her own, she did not withdraw her petition. which leads people to believe that she can not do it on her own OR she hates him and wants him to be punished

          • Rewind

            It’s usually a combination of both, but come on, clearly she can’t afford it.

        • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

          “How do we know that’s true? The mother may be able to take care of the kid or kids without any public assistance. Lots of women do.”

          .

          Lots of women do…and lots of women just aren’t able to do that.

    • Rewind

      You know the system the same way I do. Don’t apologize for what you feel, because it is so sickening to see the reality of the situation. Some people just see a bunch of hood or country folk with a bunch of kids, and say “damn that’s horrible”. But when you’re part of the government programs that have to provide resources for these people, what we see is 10x worse, and that’s what pisses me off the most.

      We do need to be China at this rate, because we are consistently writing checks that we’ll never be able to cash, and it just isn’t fair for people who never made such bad decisions to not only foot the bill, but be seen on the same level as those people.

      • Rhenewal

        +1

    • Rewind

      You know the system the same way I do. Don’t apologize for what you feel, because it is so sickening to see the reality of the situation. Some people just see a bunch of hood or country folk with a bunch of kids, and say “damn that’s horrible”. But when you’re part of the government programs that have to provide resources for these people, what we see is 10x worse, and that’s what pisses me off the most.

      We do need to be China at this rate, because we are consistently writing checks that we’ll never be able to cash, and it just isn’t fair for people who never made such bad decisions to not only foot the bill, but be seen on the same level as those people.

  • Val

    Eugenics has always been practiced in America. And continues to be practiced today. Food deserts, poor access to health care, gun violence unchecked, poor prenatal care, bad education are all forms of eugenics practiced in the U.S..

    And in the past it was even more obvious. Hundreds of Black women in 1950’s North Carolina were sterilized by the State. And the Enslavement of African Americans was the biggest eugenics experiment in human history.

    This judge is just doing what America has always done, trying to control the procreation of Black people. And, there has always been an excuse to do it.

    If this judge wants to put this guy in jail, then do so. But, his ruling to not procreate is beyond reason and the law. One of the benefits or one of the failings, depending of your point of view, of living in a free society is that the State cannot control procreation, like they do in China.

    -

    • veryaveragebrotha

      There’s a difference between Racism masquerading as Eugenics and Eugenics, Just as there is a difference racism masquerading as religion and religion, just as there is a difference between racism masquerading as pro-choice, all of which we know have happened. Trying to kill of a race of people is not Eugenics, it’s racism, don’t mix the 2.

      Secondly, and here I’m genuinely curious. On one hand I see you complaining that nobody cares or wants to do anything about all these senseless murders in the hood, on the other hand, despite the fact that we know dead beat fathers/mothers contribute considerably to the population of cold blooded killers in our ghettos, and yet you don’t want to do anything abou this?

      • Val

        On your first point; you seem to be disagreeing just to disagree. I don’t see your point.

        And, to your second point; your solution to murders in Chicago is eugenics? Or poor people on the South Side of Chicago being legally prevented from procreating? What are you saying?

        • veryaveragebrotha

          With regards to my first point. I’m simply stating that your claim is false. Eugenics has never been practiced in America, racism has, there’s a difference. We’re discussing Eugenics, not racism.

          As for my second point. Please stop with the straw man arguments. I have not now nor ever claimed that poor people should not be allowed to procreate. I said dead beats should not be allowed to procreate. Are you aware that there is a difference between dead beats and poor people? Or are you claiming that they are one in the same.

          • Val
            • veryaveragebrotha

              Eugenics is an applied science. If you understand what a science is, you understand that calling what occurred in those articles Eugenics, is like equating life coaches to psychiatrists.

              You do understand that difference between say Islam the religion, and the situation where someone with political motives claims said religion for their sinister motives right? Just because I call something X doesn’t make it so.

              • Fivegirl

                Eugenics is racism/ableism/sexism etc. disguised as science. We all know that science is true until someone proves it wrong. There was a time bleeding people was real science, until it was proved useless. Eugenics being considered an “applied science” doesn’t make it a legitimate practice.

                • Wild Cougar

                  What would you say about poor women being tricked and coerced into getting Depo Provera. It’s happened here and in Israel to Ethiopian Jews. Except there it’s by force.

                • E.Jones

                  First off, hi everyone!
                  I haven’t posted here for about a year, I think.
                  But, to my comment…

                  +1 I agree 2000000% with your statement. It is true. I mean, why is Planned Parenthood in all the black neighborhoods? Why are they using Rap as a weapon to separate Black men and women (which even if unintentional by the rappers themselves every other person around them is clearly aware.) and make even worse the climate between them. I mean come on…and why is it that the NAACP is going to be taken over by non-blacks within the next 20 years and will be more about Southeast Asian and Indian equality than anyone in the African diaspora?

          • Val

            And, racism and eugenics are not mutually exclusive.

            • veryaveragebrotha

              They are…eugenics is an applied science.

        • chameleonic

          i believe hes saying,” your typical monologues about racism are tired. what have you actually done about it? about aaaaall these issues you complain about.”

          or something.

          personally, i think youre a slick person who likes to draw attention away from what could be progression and productivity. anytime solutions are being discussed or actions are being called forth, val is a no show.

          im curious too. what have you EVER done about the stuff you complain about?