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Do I Really Want All Trump Supporters To Die? Nah! Just Those Fueled By Hate (Which Admittedly Is Alot Of Them)

Earlier this week, I wrote a quick piece articulating that my support for Hillary Clinton is largely due to my animus towards supporters of Donald Trump. An animus that exists because of an unambiguous animus many of them carry towards me and people who look like me.

I also gave this piece a title that, well, speaks for itself:

I’m Voting For Hillary Because I Want Trump Supporters To Lose Badly And Go And Fucking Die

While it was received quite well by our audience — shared and retweeted thousands of times — it also drew the attention of numerous conservative websites, including The Daily Caller, whose headline about the piece reads “Ebony Editor: I Want Trump Supporters To Die.” (The “EBONY Editor” part is quite amusing, mainly because I haven’t been that in over a year. I guess I should update my tagline. How does “Thinkpiece Mercenary” sound?)

I’m assuming this attention is where the couple dozen or so hate emails and death threats I’ve received over the past couple days stem from. Either that or some people are still really, really, really upset about my thoughts on grits.

Anyway, seeing that we have some new readers today, I’d like to clarify my thoughts. Below are my clarified thoughts, expressed in an exclusive interview with myself.

So, earlier this week you wrote a piece stating that you want Trump supporters to die. 

I did.

Were you sincere with that assertion?

That’s a very interesting and very stupid question. Basically, that question was Cam Newton’s sartorial decisions.

How so?

Well, Donald Trump might receive 60 million or so votes next week. And I’m not Joseph Stalin or the guy who told Arby’s to sell Smokehouse Pork Belly sandwiches. I do not want 60 million people to die.

I’m also aware that there are many people voting for Trump out of party loyalty. And some out of hate for Hillary Clinton. And some who happen to be single-issue voters. And some whose antipathy for Washington is so deep that they’d vote for an empty bottle of Aquafina before a career politician. And some who actually may have been hurt financially by Obamacare. And some who just might be genuinely enthused by his tax and labor plans. And some who give two shits about the election, but just think it would be cool if the guy from Home Alone 2 was President.

Do I believe they’re making a myopic, terrible, reckless, and stupid as the fuck fucking decision with potentially catastrophic consequences? Yes! But do I want these people to die and shit? Nah. They can live. The world’s a better place with Omarosa in it.

You don’t want them to die, not even a little bit?

Nah.

Not even a itsy bitsy teenie weenie bit of death?

Nope!

But…?

As stated in the piece, my feelings are directed towards those fueled by bias and bigotry. The people whose support of Trump is directly tied to their hate for people who look like me and don’t look like them. The people who see “Make America Great Again” and wish to transport the country back to a time when the rights of Blacks and women and homosexuals and people who didn’t happen to be Christians were either limited or outright nonexistent.

These people exist. There are a lot of these fucking people. And fuck those people.

You’re not interested in any type of racial reconciliation or healing?

With people who hate me? Nah. I’m good. If they want to decide to stop hating on their own, great! I’ll even save them some pretzels and grape juice if they want to come over. But reconciliation suggests that both parties need to work to come together. And I’m more interested in attending an all-Kappa game night than extending an olive branch to people who wish to see me drown.

So basically, you don’t care if those people die?

Is it really that outrageous to say that you wouldn’t mind if the people who want you dead — people who hate you for no other reason than the fact that your skin happens to be a bit browner than theirs — died before they made that happen?

I guess it’s not.

Exactly!

Damon Young

Damon Young is the editor-in-chief of VSB. He is also a columnist for GQ.com and EBONY Magazine. And a founding editor for 1839. And he's working on a book of essays to be published by Ecco (HarperCollins). Damon is busy. He lives in Pittsburgh, and he really likes pancakes. Reach him at damon@verysmartbrothas.com. Or don't. Whatever.

  • kingpinenut

    “Below are my clarified thoughts, expressed in an exclusive interview with myself”

    ^^^ this right here is pure black gold ^^^

  • mr. steal your costco samples

    LIBERAL RAYCIS EBONY EDITOR CONFRONTED BY MOB OF TRUE PATRIOTS, BACKS DOWN.

    …nah.

  • King Beauregard

    I want everyone to die, including myself. Eventually. It seems to be the model that has worked all right so far, and living forever inevitably means ending up in some painful condition that you can’t escape. So put me down for death please.

    But for preference, I’d like to go wherever my cats go. If that happens to be oblivion, I’m okay with it.

  • Negro Libre

    Seems like Hyperbole and Context just doesn’t work in social media.

    • Tambra

      Only when Trump says stuff,because then it should be understood that he was joking.

      • HoobaStankyLeg

        He’s kind of like people who speak a different language in front of you thinking you don’t know what they are saying, but you are fluent in the language… Like your ‘coded’ language isn’t all that coded. We speak the language fluently.

        • Tambra
          • HoobaStankyLeg

            Ew. So gross.

            • Tambra

              Not saying Hillary is a saint, she is far from it, but their noses should grow an inch everytime they defend a Trump lie , and nothing not even plastic surgery should be able to pare it back to normal

              • HoobaStankyLeg

                Agreed. When I was in high school my Social Studies teacher smugly crossed his arms and told the class that a black man would never be president. The entire class smugly chuckled along with him. He went on to say there would also never be a woman president and that rate cuts in half for an Asian American or Native American.

                I now realize the reason some of these men are so upset is because this simply was never supposed to happen. Imagine actually believing this scenario, and 10 years later the HNIC is actually the HNIC! Do I feel bad for them? Nah. But do I get where they’re coming from? Nah…LOL

                • Tambra

                  Exactly they have bought the rhetoric that the 1950s was the greatest period and they are acting out.

                  • HoobaStankyLeg

                    You know what’s weird? It seems like the ’50’s low key sucked for white men too. But as long as you could go home and beat your wife and a black person can’t look you in the eye all is well.

                    • Tambra

                      You know how some people like to paint the past as a time of unicorns and cotton candy, that’s what a lot of these people are doing.

                    • HoobaStankyLeg

                      You’re on to something.

                    • mr. steal your costco samples

                      I think a lot of them were like “welp, not getting shot at in Europe, that’s a win”

                    • HoobaStankyLeg

                      You know what? I’ll take that.

                • Kas

                  You were in high school 10 years ago?

                  • HoobaStankyLeg

                    Nope. Graduated in 03.

                    But I’m trash today. Just roll with it.

    • Yeah, pretty much. But I could have told you that, and with examples throughout the political spectrum.

    • King Beauregard

      These people are looking for excuses to justify their much more abhorrent attitudes. Damon vents some frustration, therefore that justifies them burning down black churches. It’s all equivalent!

      • Negro Libre

        Eh, I agree. But I’m being more general as a whole, not just with what happened with the article.

        • King Beauregard

          YOU TAKE THAT BACK!!

          … I mean, I can’t disagree.

      • raul

        While that’s all true let’s not pretend like a satirical piece direct at POC by non-POC would be any more well recieved.

        • pls

          we got a false equivalency!

          • raul

            Nope, we’ve got a true equivalency and an excellent example of the people in glass houses principle.

            • pls

              Except POC aren’t in any position of power and haven’t historically shat on non POC for simply being non POC. In other words, it wouldn’t be satire coming from 2520s. It could be a real live threat that could possibly be carried out with no intervention on POC’s behalf. Even still, Trump supporters suddenly dying out isn’t the worst thing that could happen to our country.

          • mr. steal your costco samples

            2520 “satire” goes way too far always. It’s like the Chris Rock joke about the difference between how men and women lie.

            “…it’s your baby!”

            • raul

              While I once again can’t really disagree Damon did satirically wish death on like 60 million people.

              Including Panama’s step mom who presumably has non-bigoted reasons for supporting Trump.

  • redstickbe.spoke

    I can’t be the only one that has Race Fatigue right now, can I?

    • mr. steal your costco samples

      all fatigues matter

    • Jennifer

      You came to the wrong place, boo.

  • HoobaStankyLeg

    Lol… I really just want the world to come together collectively and drag this man into oblivion. I’m at a loss as to how this hasn’t happened yet. I mean… He looks like a knuckle.

    • Enthusiasm matters. While Trump is acting like an a$$, Hillary isn’t exactly setting hearts ablaze, and the early voting numbers are bearing that out. If it isn’t like a B2K concert at polling places throughout Black areas…welp!

      • mr. steal your costco samples

        Early voting looks like it’s got NV in the bag for HRC tho

        • Tambra

          She is doing well among early voters.

          • mr. steal your costco samples

            I’m hoping for an early call in NC or FL. Not tryna wait up all night for damn NV.

      • HoobaStankyLeg

        That’s because nobody really cares for her either, but at least she is capable, he has no business in office with no experience. It’s truly that simple.

        • King Beauregard

          I genuinely like her, because I came to a realization. Ever watch “Parks and Recreation”, where you’ve got the eternally hard-working Leslie Knope whose every good deed is turned into a scandal by the media … ? Hillary is Leslie Knope.

          Evidence? Take a look at what any of the BLM mothers say. They say that Hillary reached out to them, made time for them, genuinely empathized with them. Either Hillary is sincere about wanting to help, or she’s a brilliant con artist and the BLM mothers are rubes. And the perspective that she’s a con artist mostly comes from Republicans, so I would do well to be skeptical.

          Or consider this account of Hillary going to bat for just some nobody, back when she was a Senator and had nothing to gain by going out of her way for him:

          https://www.facebook.com/james.grissom/posts/10210311889333429

          How about the Clinton Foundation scandals? We’re learning that the organization has been remarkably transparent, professional, and beneficial … and even THAT is considered grounds to distrust her because that much power to do good implies the potential to do harm as well. Jesus Christ.

          So yeah, I’m very much on Team Hillary. I wasn’t always, but the Clinton Foundation “scandal” sealed the deal. Anyone who continues to try to do good despite getting pilloried every time she tries, deserves my vote.

          • mr. steal your costco samples

            I’m in the same boat. She been getting this since well before I was born, and some of the AR first lady stuff was legitimately incredible. But she keeps coming back, long after she has any use for additional $ or power.

            • Kas

              That’s how she fools you – signed the Sixth Eye

            • King Beauregard

              Lord knows there would be easier routes to money or power, if that were here goal.

              There are some people who simply can’t imagine anyone wanting to attain public office for the opportunity to do good. There’s cynicism and there’s blind cynicism; the problem with blind cynicism is that, in seeing through everything, it sees nothing.

              • mr. steal your costco samples

                I mean, she could sit on five boards, including Goldman’s, go to five meetings a year, and get paid millions.

                • Negro Libre

                  Thanks, that’s one of the reasons why I’m kind of dismissive of people who are shocked that people have so many problems with Hillary. It’s like they don’t understand that “prior” to the election, a lot of the things that many in her political party were upset about and protesting against (i.e. OWS) she was and is to a certain extent, an embodiment of.

                  • mr. steal your costco samples

                    market BETTER fkn go up when she wins, I am irritated with this nervous string of constant little Ls. I’m not built for that.

              • Negro Libre

                I think our political system was built on having a cynical view of politics, thus the divisions of powers. If you believe that politicians go into office to do good, why not entrust one person, as was done in the past, to actually do good, rather than putting all these obstacles and barriers that have force a leader to have to deal with others?

                • King Beauregard

                  Because there’s a difference between choosing people who seem to have good intentions and ideas to temporarily occupy a position, and building a system around the expectation that such people can be found and placed in power and permanently trusted.

                  You do comic books? Because I really want to make a “Squadron Supreme” miniseries reference but then I might expose myself as some sort of nerd.

                  • Negro Libre

                    Lol nah not in a long time.

                    I also think that that’s just American culture. You can check out the arguments between the anti-federalists and the federalists and you can tell that one thing they both agreed on was that betting on “well-intentioned politicians” was historically a bad bet (The decline and Fall of the Roman Empire addresses this argument to as well). And to play devil’s advocate, if there were those few well-intentioned people who could go into office and do good deeds, why ever get rid of them?

                    Furthermore in all my travels and talks with others who live in other countries , I’ve never been in a country or met a group of people who didn’t by nature think most of their politicians were corrupt or didn’t at the very much expect them to be corrupt. They just expect that while the politicians are getting theirs, they allow the people to get enough of theirs as well.

          • HoobaStankyLeg

            I think you’re white. I don’t mean that as an insult. I hear you. But I lived through the ‘bring them to heel’ years. So… I’m good. She has my vote because she isn’t him. That is all.

            • Kylroy

              KB is white. I default assume that anyone without a Disqus profile pic on here is white. (And yes, I’m white.)

              • Kas

                He is and mentions it frequently.

                • HoobaStankyLeg

                  I wasn’t aware. But, it’s nice to know I still have the ‘gift’.

                  • Kas

                    I honestly thought you knew and were making a point.

                    • HoobaStankyLeg

                      Nope. No clue. I don’t think I’ve ever spoken to him. And again, I apologize if I’m coming off as rude. I’ve just noticed that it seems like white people are genuinely happy for her to be president. I wish that I could be happy along with them. I wish that she were actually running against a worthy opponent. I have a sneaking suspicion the world will try and spin this off like: The only reason she won was to stop him, which is semi-true. But she’s simply the better person for the job.

                    • Kas

                      You didn’t come across as rude. I’m actually a supporter of HRC, and not just because she is the lesser of two evils. However, I do think she is too shrewd/calculating for her own good.

                    • HoobaStankyLeg

                      You know what? You just brightened my day. I want people to genuinely like the people they are voting for. I’m going to consider this a small victory.

              • HoobaStankyLeg

                Once again. I don’t mean it as an insult. But there are fundamental differences in the way we have to decide on who to vote for. I’m trying to figure out how to word this on 48 hours of no sleep. I guess what I’m saying is: Her track record for the world as a whole is okay. Her track record as it pertains to black people is a bit shady. So, I will vote for who I think will be good for EVERYONE, all the while knowing that it will most likely not benefit us.

                • Kylroy

                  And I totally get that. You’re making your decision based on the best available option, even if none of them are particularly great. Adults have to do that all the time.

                  • HoobaStankyLeg

                    This is true. Not only that, but I WANT to like her. I would love to be excited about the person I am voting for. I just know how these things work. Wait, and a fellow card carrying member of the V a g i n a Mafia too?! I want to be excited for the first female president. And I’m just not. I’m happy for her if she wins it. But meh. The good news is: At least she will benefit people. Even if those people aren’t me.

                • King Beauregard

                  I can’t object; I know there are perspectives I don’t understand and will never quite share, which is why I make every effort to listen while I’m here and stay away from whitesplaining (I like to think I’m successful).

                  Sometimes I make jokes about being fine with grocery store potato salad; it’s intended as a nod to how I’m not a VSB, so much as a Very Smart Neighbor Who Is Trying To Be A Good Neighbor.

                  • brothaskeeper

                    Very Smart Other.

                  • HoobaStankyLeg

                    Again. I apologize for coming off as rude. And I still cannot sleep soooo, I will be waiting until about 7 pm and taking shots until I put myself out.

                    • King Beauregard

                      You were not rude and there’s nothing to apologize for, we’re good.

                      I really want to find a picture of a crazy samurai shouting “I DO NOT FORGIVE YOU!!!” but I can’t find one.

                    • King Beauregard

                      (I’m weird about apologies: accepting apologies is difficult for me because it implies that the other person was Wrong, when in fact most of the time people are just A Little Short Of Perfect. How can I expect or accept an apology for people just being people? What authority do I have to grant or withhold forgiveness over normal clumsy human interactions?)

                    • HoobaStankyLeg

                      Well… Damb. ROTFLMAO!!!

                      Now riddle me this: What do you do when you cannot sleep?

                    • King Beauregard

                      There’s always that thing people don’t admit to doing in the privacy of their own room; someone once told me that works. Never tried it so I wouldn’t know.

                      Sometimes I play Egyptian Mummy getting into my sarcophagus and settling in for a 3000-year sleep.

                      But the main thing I do is figure out what thing it is that I feel needs to get done before I can sleep, and at least get a little work done. If it’s a big project then I might at least map out my plan, or I might complete some part of it. Usually I can’t sleep until I feel my work is done, at least some portion of it.

                    • HoobaStankyLeg

                      I’ve tried that. Even went on a cleaning spree to try and tire myself. I’ve cleaned the cat box 6 times since the last time I’ve slept which means I haven’t slept since Tuesday…I took a long warm shower. Turned off all the devices and nope. Yeah. I’m going to have to put myself out. It’s a shame too, cause I’ont really feel like drinking.

                    • King Beauregard

                      :-( Sorry. Sleep well, or sleep at least.

              • cedriclathan

                ….looks up how to add a picture to profile…

                • Kylroy

                  I never said it’s airtight. But stereotypes are a real time-saver. /sarcasm

                  • cedriclathan

                    Well, I just updated my non-picture. That’ll keep you guessing…

            • King Beauregard

              You’re right that I’m white. And the “thems” in question, if you’re going to be at all even-handed in your recollections, was “some gang members”. Not even all gang members, and certainly not all blacks.

              And, it turns out there might be a real scientific explanation for that mysterious yet real crime spike that went down by the mid 90s: lead emissions from cars. Toddlers exposed to lead exhausts in the 60s and 70s sometimes exhibited developmental problems that led to violent behavior in the 80s and 90s. And the problem was likely to be worst in highly polluted environments, you know, like the inner city.

              So rather than “superpredators” Hillary should have said “victims of lead poisoning”, except nobody knew that then.

              http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2016/02/lead-exposure-gasoline-crime-increase-children-health

              • I read that report by Kevin Drum. I’m rarely impressed by journalists’ scientific chops, but that was Great Writing. Throw in racist treatment by the mental health community (it wasn’t until the 70s that it was acknowledged that Blacks had the same mental illnesses as Whites do), and you pretty much can explain the crime issue in the 70s and 80s.

                • King Beauregard

                  There’s a lot more to unpack with that too. Such as, the solution to crime ISN’T more cops, ISN’T harsher sentencing, ISN’T more prisons, but rather addressing the environment that people grow up in. And it’s another argument for reparations too: people who were redlined into congested areas were not just denied opportunities, but were inadvertently poisoned. (I have to go with “inadvertently” because I don’t think anyone anticipated this.)

                  It also speaks to Flint MI and how we need to help the people there immediately.

              • HoobaStankyLeg

                Dang I’m good! LOL With all due respect, I’ve read on all of this. Or maybe I watched Zootopia and drew parallels… You know what? I’m going to log off and see if I can go to sleep. Because nothing I am typing is making sense to me.

              • United_Dreamer

                When you say super-predators to the uncivilised mob in blue, and their slightly more literate protecters in the justice system, that’s basically saying “go get them, boys”…

              • PinkRose

                Of course people were aware for decades of the long term effects of environmental racism. That’s one reason why many majority White communitues were either rarely established in/near them or once they were and a problem was found, the people just miraclessly moved elsewhere.

                • King Beauregard

                  … good point, even if people didn’t specifically foresee the impact of lead emissions, it still falls under the general category of “health problems from a polluted environment”, and people certainly knew there would be some.

          • Why try to make a point about doing good? Why not just live your life and let the chips fall where they may? I don’t run off at the mouth about helping people. I just do it. Matthew 6:5, my friend.

            • Scorpiogoddess??

              YOU win!!!! Your comment tickled my heart.

            • King Beauregard

              But I’m not making a point about the good I do, I’m making a point about the good that I think Hillary wants to do. 2 Kings 2:23-24.

              … wait, that’s the part where children were making fun of Elisha’s bald head so he summoned bears to eat them. Wrong verse, my bad.

          • Val

            Must be nice to be able to actually like a candidate in this election.

            • King Beauregard

              It is! But I’ll settle for basic competence, and let’s face it, nobody else in either the primaries or general election has shown a lick of competence.

              And I don’t think my reasons for liking her are unjustified.

              • Val

                Mmm, that’s debatable but I get your point.

                • King Beauregard

                  Fair enough, I didn’t see the signs of competence I was looking for in others, but I should be careful not to make an absolute pronouncement because good reasons.

          • Scorpiogoddess??

            Transparent my azz!

    • United_Dreamer

      Maybe the world doesn’t have enough knuckle-draggers? Or maybe we’re too busy eating popcorn.

      http://mashable.com/2015/12/11/donald-trump-aberdeen-golf-club/#QmwWDGilGkqz

      • HoobaStankyLeg

        Ok! Come on puns!!!

  • It’s interesting that they didn’t read the comments. I talked about cutting off benefits to poor White Trump supporters on the grounds that they’re likely bigots that would do anything to minimize the rights of people of color, and I got a surprising amount of push-back. The thing is that such a plan would have at least some traction in Conservative media, being that noted left-wing outlets such as the National Review have proposed such for different reasons. However, the regular comment crowd was like nah.

    The people here see that even the bigots who vote for Trump are worthy of help. (I, of course, respectfully disagree.) Still, that Black people are willing to show humanity to those who would kill them would mean a lot from a Conservative perspective. A lot of them see us as objects or stereotypes, but we in the comment section see them as people with needs, even if they are horrible. That speaks volumes.

    • Tambra

      I think it was a flag for some of then though, cos i got a direct response about my quip about emails. I just did what I am perfect at doing:- ignore.

    • mr. steal your costco samples

      “It’s interesting that they didn’t read…”

      just gonna stop you there. that’s a feature not a bug with that tribe.

    • Negro Libre
      • United_Dreamer

        Is that what they changed the name of Trump Towers to when they decided the name Trump wasn’t good for business?

    • raul

      The sense of compassion shown by the VSB comment section was really impressive. Half way restored my faith in humanity.

    • Val

      I don’t think it’s about showing humanity to those who hate us. I think, for me, it’s about that being a slippery slope. If there’s a litmus test for who gets benefits then who do you think will suffer the most?

      • Kas

        My view was based on humanity not slippery slope.

        • Val

          I’m going to nominate you for a Nobel Prize.

          • Kas

            No need, I nominate myself every year.

            • Val

              Lol And how’s that been working out for you?

              • Kas

                Friday morning, playing in the comment section says it all.

                • Val

                  One day you’ll win, hang in there, Man.

                  • Kas

                    I found the best comment section on the internet, I’m winning as we type.

    • cyanic

      Black people are naturally compassionate. Funny you would cut off food to whitey but not Rick.

      • Who is Rick?

        • cyanic

          You’ll deny whitey food but not something that rhymes with Rick.

          • Ah, OK. So what? That costs me nothing. Food does. I don’t see the problem.

            • cyanic

              Laughs! I could see you becoming a fringe celebrity hated by black women.

    • Gibbous

      I think that’s part of the problem. Their presumption about what Black people would do is based on what they think they they would do if they were ever treated the way they see black people treated.

      There are no black people planning a “race war” but that’s what they keep claiming, because that’s what they’d do. Just like they say they’d use guns, and advocate the use of guns if their Consitutional rights were infringed upon, but time and time again, Black people use the courts, WHEN our rights are infringed upon. (Besides, we’re only 13% of the population, we’re not stupid!)

  • Kylroy

    Well, these voters (and all voters) *are* going to die, but they’re not going to be replaced in sufficient number for their brand of idiocy to have electoral traction much longer. Maybe if the Republican party hadn’t decided that people who don’t vote for them aren’t human, they might be in a better position.

  • Mr. Mooggyy

    I wonder if this will get posted and retweeted…etc..etc..

    • Kas

      Nope

  • Junegirl627

    *applause

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