Lists, Theory & Essay

Dating Game: Remember, You Don’t Know Me

It's really important to see that family photo album. Um, RIP.

In today’s day and age of social networking, Google, and the county courthouse, information about nearly anybody is nothing more than a click away. Or a quick drive and $25. Point is, it’s all out there for public consumption. As soon as you meet somebody you can find out as much as humanly possible about them and their propensity to murder somebody or procreate with reckless abandon. It’s truly amazing, actually, just how much information is available and how much of it is provided by the person you’re searching for in the first place.

One random glance of Shaqondroniesha Tanqueray Shropshire’s Facebook profile will tell you just how she feels about haters, hatin’ arse b*tches and conversely her favorite Bible verse. As if.

(Is it me or are “hood” people the most aggressively violent AND religious people on the planet?)

Oh, and by the way, the most popular Bible verse for our hood brothas and sisters?

“Only God can judge me.”

Good luck finding THAT specific verse.

But the truth is, with so much information out there, we only know the surface level things about people. All the social networking information in the world won’t tell you intimate details about a person. As I’ve come to learn in life, it seems that so many people are dating people that they really don’t know. And I’m not different. I’ve been down that road where after the fact I realized that I didn’t fully know the person I was dealing with. And given the way we tend to interact nowadays, electronically, intimacy is just a clusterf*ck of text messages and emails. With that said, you don’t know somebody OR the person you’re dating if any of the following haven’t occurred:

1. Seen their handwriting

Nearly all of communication nowadays consists of text messages, Twitter, Facebook messages, email, etc. Shucks, you can probably go an entire lifetime without ever seeing somebody’s handwriting. But the truth is, a person’s handwriting tells you so much about them. Did they go to prison? I don’t know, but I’ll bet some expert who has been on Oprah can tell you thru their handwriting. Do they dot their “i’s” with smiley faces or hearts? Who knows. Certainly not you. If you haven’t seen their writing, that means you haven’t received a card and how close can you really be to somebody whose never sent you a card. Not very that’s how (close).

2. Seen how they handle adversity

Real. Talk. You truly do not know somebody and how compatible you are with them until you’ve all been forced into a situation full of adversity. How a person deals with stress and troubling situations tells you a whole lot about how they will deal with you in the event that the sh*t ever hits the fan. You may find out that you are an arsehole when dealing with somebody else’s stresses or vice versa. When times are good everybody gets along, but what happens when times aren’t so hot. This might be the most important thing to ever know about somebody. Real. Talk.

3. Seen actual physical copies of their pictures

Everybody sends picture texts and takes pictures with their phones and digital cameras nowadays. When was the last time you actually held a 3×5 in your hand? Do you even remember what the paper feels like? Digital pictures only got uberpopular, say, five years ago or so. Folks entire lives were captured and developed prior to that. If you’ve never seen a physical picture of your significant other when they were thirteen wearing a Starter jacket, overalls, and a hooded tshirt, how can you really know them? As B-Real teaches us on “How I Could Just Kill A Man”, “…how do you know where I’m at, when you haven’t been where I’ve been?/Understand where I’m coming from?…”

Yes, B-Real, I do understand.

In that same vein…

4. Met some of their oldest friends

Kind of self-explanatory, but a lot of us got brand new when we started reading and whatnot. A lot of folks reinvented themselves in college, but you want to know who a person really is, you need to have a brief convo with the folks that grew up with them. You’ll never know that their nickname used to be “Drip” unless you do.

5. Know where they stand on BET’s current place in pop culture

Eh, why not?

Is there anything else that we should be looking out for to determine whether or not we really know somebody?

And by the way?

#blackandyellow

Congrats, Champ.

-VSB P aka THE ARSONIST aka I’M BACK, KOTTER aka GIIIIIIIIIIIIIIRL HE A 3

Damon Young

Panama Jackson is pretty fly for a light guy. He used to ship his frito to Tito in the District, but shipping prices increased so he moved there to save money. When he's not saving humanity with his words or making music with his mouth, you can find him at your mama's mama's house drinking her fine liquors. Most importantly, he believes the children are our future.

  • http://acford.blogspot.com A.C. Ford

    Seeing how someone reacts to children or people with special needs is always interesting. It definitely says something about them. If they’re easily frustrated, disgusted, or openly hostile they’re on some other stuff. I went on a date with a guy who tried to fight a 8 year-old in a parking lot–ON THE DATE.

    I grabbed a taxi while he was still in the throes of aggression. I hope that baby made it out alive…

    • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

      See how people react to special needs kids? What is this the Jerry’s Kids Telethon tryouts or something? I gotta tell all of you, this thread is sound dangerously delusional…

      O.

      • http://acford.blogspot.com A.C. Ford

        I’m not saying if I’ve never seen them around someone with special needs, I don’t know them. I’m saying if we happen to be around a person with special needs and they don’t treat that person like a human, that says something about their character.

        I stand by that statement.

        • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

          AC,
          It just seems weird to me, is all. Isn’t there a more, how shall I say this, mundane way to suss out a potential suitor’s level/degree of empathy?

          Seems like a case of feminine “try hard” to me…

          O.

          • http://acford.blogspot.com A.C. Ford

            I would never put someone in that situation just to see how they would react. I’m saying that should the occasion arise, the reaction of the potential suitor is notable.

            And as a woman who embraces her “femininity”, I can tell you that “trying too hard” and “and not trying enough” are easily distinguishable. I’m not attracted to either. And the fact that you’ve perused the comment threads of this post, accusing each person of not “trying hard enough” to form opinions more to your liking reeks of “trying too hard”.

            Just state your opinion on your own comment and if someone else writes something that really get’s your goat, feel free to engage them APPROPRIATELY and without malice. You don’t have to be a pest to be heard.

            • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

              You know AC, advice works best when people ask for it.

              As for my statement about “try hard” what i meant was that your comment seemed to be trying to determine something about a guy by using a rather arcane method, instead of good ole commonsense. Of course, I made the assumption you were in possession of such a thing to begin with…

              Remember, Ms. Ford – Ad Hominem is the last refuge of scoundrels; and those who resort to it, instead of the argument itself, has tacitly admitted that they have lost said argument.

              Try again!

              The Obsidian
              Public Pest :)

              • http://acford.blogspot.com A.C. Ford

                Is it really that arcane? I’m not understanding your opposition to noting how someone reacts to children or people with special needs.

                • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

                  Yes, it is, because it is not usually the first thing someone says within the context of a discussion like this, is all. Hey, to each his/her own, they ain’t a law against being weird.

                  *shrugs*

                  O.

                • http://www.pinchmycheekie.wordpress.com Cheekie

                  “Yes, it is, because it is not usually the first thing someone says within the context of a discussion like this, is all.”

                  @ O,

                  I actually don’t think a LOT of this stuff is the “first” thing anyone thinks of. And that’s including some ish Panama listed. That’s what happens when you ask a ton of people to list other things to think of. It’s mostly all in good fun. *echos shrug* ;)

                • http://www.remthemulatto.wordpress.com RemTheMulatto

                  Obsidian believes everyone is a special needs individual besides himself.. and he mercilessly bullies us all.

                • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

                  RTM,
                  That’s a rather harsh thing to say, given the fact that you have no idea what my views of special needs people, including kids, actually are. Why not you try asking me next time?

                  O.

                • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

                  Hello Cheekie,

                  Replies below:

                  C: I actually don’t think a LOT of this stuff is the “first” thing anyone thinks of. And that’s including some ish Panama listed. That’s what happens when you ask a ton of people to list other things to think of. It’s mostly all in good fun. *echos shrug*

                  O: I don’t disagree with you; however, as we can see from the above exchanges, Ms. Ford was quite emphatic (and serious) about something that I consider to be rather unusual in this regard. Of course she, and others, are more than within their right to disagree.

                  *Atlas shrugging* ;)

                  O.

                • http://www.remthemulatto.wordpress.com RemTheMulatto

                  j/k, bro.. j/k

                • http://www.pinchmycheekie.wordpress.com Cheekie

                  @O,

                  Not Atlas shrugging, though. *snicker*

                • http://www.remthemulatto.wordpress.com RemTheMulatto

                  I read THAT book.. so ha!

            • Yoles

              @A.C. Ford

              my question is: Where is the child’s parent/guardian? no one was there to stop the “fight”?!?!?!?!?!

              • WIP

                LOL, right, why is an 8 year-old alone in a parking lot engaging in conversation with a grown man?

                • Mo-VSS

                  Girl, it was late when I read the initial comment,but I thought the same thing.

        • Girl Kanyeshrug

          I agree with you @A.C.Ford some people also have phobias being around special needs kids etc….You need to be aware.

    • Cali

      “I went on a date with a guy who tried to fight a 8 year-old in a parking lot–ON THE DATE.

      I grabbed a taxi while he was still in the throes of aggression. I hope that baby made it out alive…”

      OMG!!! LOLOLOLOL, part of me wants you to be joking! Its so ridiculous, I’mma take it as truth & NEVER stop laughing – too much!!

      • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

        Yea, let’s hope…

        O.

    • Tes

      And you LEFT that child? smh lol

      • http://www.pinchmycheekie.wordpress.com Cheekie

        LOL, I thought this, too like… “… Wayment.” Unless that child was like, Kenard from The Wire or some sh*t, I woulda be scared for them.

        • http://uphereoncloud9.com/ Wu Young

          I was thinking more like that girl from Kick A**.

          • WeGottaDoBetter

            I thought more the baby from Dave Chapelle…
            “Hey baby…”

            • Cali

              his FUNNIEST bit of ALL TIME… dayum, I miss me some vintage Chappelle :(

          • Tes

            Hit Girl is no joke and she made that movie. #thatisall

      • http://acford.blogspot.com A.C. Ford

        He got into an argument with the childs father, and little man “jumped in it” so he started yelling at the baby. By the time I left, a group had formed and a few men were holding him back. The date not the baby.

    • Geneva Girl

      I agree with you. How a person treats his “lessers” is very important. Does he have empathy or does he, or she, make fun of people with special needs. Does she make gagging sounds when she sees someone with Down Syndrome? This kind of person won’t be around when the going gets tough. If he makes fun of a person in a wheelchair how will he react if your child has cystic fibrosis? He’d run out the door at the first opportunity.

      I’d add to this: How does he, or she, treat waitresses?

    • http://uphereoncloud9.com/ Wu Young

      “Seeing how someone reacts to children or people with special needs is always interesting. It definitely says something about them. ”

      I agree with this. Some things are just wrong. Even with my skewed sense of humor I can’t stomach this.

    • WIP

      “I grabbed a taxi while he was still in the throes of aggression. I hope that baby made it out alive…”

      LOL!! Now miss AC, what does that say about you? Kids bad these days though. That 8 year-old probably got with him.

      • whykendra

        lol. yes some children are extremely bad and if they did not get the proper discipline in the home then they shall get the improper discipline in the streets…from me.

        so stay away from my f**kin car you juvenile delinquent!!!

    • http://www.twitter.com/girlgetalife V.E.G.

      I don’t know you, of course, and you seem to be a nice person based on previous posts but I wonder what it says about YOU that you left an 8 year old child with an adult who wanted to fight them!

      It seems you don’t necessarily possess the compassion you’re looking for.

      • V Renee

        Great point!

      • http://acford.blogspot.com A.C. Ford

        He got into an argument with the childs father, and little man “jumped in it” so he started yelling at the baby. By the time I left, a group had formed and a few men were holding him back. The date not the baby.

    • http://www.twitter.com/creolesoul CreoleSoul IS…TheUndeniable

      Oh, THIS is a good one, too.

  • Nlw

    Can you stand the rain?-New Edition

  • http://twitter.com/sonofthehorizon stlunatic

    Seen what her MAMA look like.

    What that middle-aged booty do? (nods to Cynthia, who isn’t middle-aged, but is still relevant)

    • Leonie UK

      Co-sign

    • tgtaggie

      I would add see how her paternal and maternal aunts (add her cousins too) look like at the age too.

    • http://twitter.com/SmartFoxGirl SmartFoxGirl

      I cosign this. The older I get, the more I look like my mother. Thank god she’s a gem or I’d be in trouble.

      • Mo-VSS

        Girl, I look EXACTLY like my dad and not much at all like my mother. So dudes are always trying to be like..”yo, you gonna look like your mom when you get older…” and that’s before they meet my dad, then they are like “uhm….so, what does your grandmother look like?” LOL

        To gauge me, you’d have to see my father’s side of the family. Other than carry me, my mother had little to do with my looks.

    • Miss A

      Eh, you can’t always go by this rule. I take after my Grandma on my dad’s side body wise (may she R.I.P.) body wise. She always was/I am petite with just enough curves in the right places. Not to mention personal choices and health decisions are an important factor as well.

      • WIP

        Cosign, every women doesn’t always look just like the mother. There are two sides to the family. Also, I’ve seen the choices and consequences of many older members of my family and I try to be different. I love them all, but facts are facts; weight and health issues seem to affect one side more than the other.

      • http://twitter.com/sonofthehorizon stlunatic

        more often than not.

    • LuckBALady

      This goes both ways. Thinking about the dude with the 6’3 daddy but he took his height from his 4’11 momma. Bless his bones.

      • http://twitter.com/sonofthehorizon stlunatic

        Grr. Thanks. I’m a nice 5’11 though.

        • LuckBALady

          Oh, you fared way better than homeboy.

        • tgtaggie

          Call me shallow but, I’m 6’4″ and that’s the reason why I have a height requirement (at least 5’8″. no offense. lol). I don’t want any midgets for children. lol.

          • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

            Well, it’s good to know that bigotry and discrimination are alive and well here…

            O.

          • http://~ Jhane Sez

            “Call me shallow but, I’m 6’4? and that’s the reason why I have a height requirement (at least 5’8?. no offense. lol). I don’t want any midgets for children. lol.”

            At 5’9 I am the second shortest female on my father’s side… but there are members of the lollipop guild on mom’s side.

            Height is tricky my ex is 6ft our daughter is 5’4 and while she is still threatening to make it to 5’6… its not guaranteed.

            I wouldn’t trade her for the world though… she’s really cute not to mention talented so I guess its a bit of a trade off… :) ~JS

          • Cris Until I Find a Clever Name

            I’m the perfect average height between my parents. Mom was 5’4″;Dad 6’2″.
            I’m 5’8″ (without my heels)

  • Sylph

    Watch how they interact with children and animals. Dead serious.

    Children don’t have filters at a young age and they can pick up on things (and state the obvious) which you may be blind to because of like. Animals can sense when something is off; whether it’s your aura or whatever, they know when shit isn’t right.

    • stargazr

      Super co-sign on this one. Animals and babies do not lie. For fear of sounding like a cat lady, I will leave off my own personal experiences, but let’s just say my kitty Mr. Felix is 100% from the field on dudes. If he ain’t interested, generally I shouldn’t be either.

    • whykendra

      basically anything in close contact with the spirit world. =)

    • V Renee

      Yup I agree with this.

      One of my teachers back in the day said that because kids had just came from God, they had a deeper connection to Him than adults and that we should always pay attention to what they say.

  • legitimate_soul

    This was a very true post where I could visualize examples or why this is on point. Number one about the writing gave me a memory or two. Have you ever got a letter from a guy and you wonder if he is literate at all? I’m not even trying to clown. It made me sad…really and truly sad.

    I’d add:
    Their relationship or how they interact with their parents is noteworthy. Even if they don’t get along, or if they have valid reasons to give their parents the side-eye, are they even respectful of the people that gave them life ? Even if that respect isn’t extended to their parents is it extended to someone Big Mama, Grandmama, Uncle Junior, Aunt Juicy, a mentor, …somebody? Do they respect any elders or anyone other than themselves?

    I am also rooting for Black and Yelow, coached by Omar Epps’s doppelganger. I still love Polamalu’s hair…

    • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

      LS,
      For one thing, bookreading and the like is fast becoming a thing of the past and this cuts accross all class lines, so it shouldn’t surprise you or anyone else if you receive a letter from someone that isn’t top notch grammatically. Sign of the times and all that.

      As for the whole parental thing, what if their parents are dead?

      O.

      • http://acford.blogspot.com A.C. Ford

        Wait…are you saying that reading is a thing of the past? That reading BOOKS isn’t what we do anymore?

        • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

          AC,
          YES. It is documented that we as Americans are indeed reading less. Do a quick Google on the topic, on the book publishing business. Shouldn’t be too hard…

          O.

        • Sylph

          I don’t believe that. People still read. Although it may not be in tangible book form, there’s other means of accessing reading material (kindle, iPad, blogging *cough*). I like to check anyone’s bookcase (if one exists) to see what types of books they read and where a few of their interests lie.

          • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

            Sylph,
            It is not a matter of belief, but one of documented fact. As I noted to AC Ford below, the book publishing and newspaper businesses have been on the ropes for a long while now, and if you think Kindles, iPads and the like are real replacements for these things I have some awesome beachfront real estate just south of lower Manhattan you’re gonna love for real cheap…

            O.

            • http://www.remthemulatto.wordpress.com RemTheMulatto

              I can’t speak for the world, but I read more today than I ever have. I don’t read books (not regularly), but I read news (and blogs) online daily. Perhaps people don’t read books anymore, but with all the new and easy access to words, people read something.

              • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

                RTM,
                Please see my response further downthread, where I cite the work of Susan Jacoby’s Age of American Unreason. She makes a compelling case for my line of argument today.

                O.

                • http://www.remthemulatto.wordpress.com RemTheMulatto

                  U may be right. I have no idea.. but in my respectable and completely factless opinion based on my experience, I assume people read.. and then you say, “I respectfully disagree.”

                  Class dismissed..

                • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

                  RTM,
                  No….what happens is you get up to speed on the topic under discussion – or – maintain that you misinformed opinion still has merit within the conversation, simply because you are making it, to which I respond:

                  Bollocks.

                  And now, class is dismissed. :)

                  O.

                • http://www.remthemulatto.wordpress.com RemTheMulatto

                  I ain’t bout to go read a book just to argue with you.

                  To your bullox, I say poppycock! And F this class.

                • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

                  No, you just not about to go read a book for any reason…

                  Your sentiments toward education are duly noted.

                  O.

                • http://www.remthemulatto.wordpress.com RemTheMulatto

                  To reiterate.. People don’t learn from jerks on the internet.. Except that there are jerks on the internet..

                • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

                  RTM,
                  That may indeed be; but in your case, it could be argued that you’re not learning much of anything regardless as to who the teachers are…

                  O.

                • http://www.remthemulatto.wordpress.com RemTheMulatto

                  Says the guy who probably hasn’t typed the words “I was wrong” in years..

                  ALL I DO IS WIN! Errr.. I mean learn.. All I do is learn.

                • http://www.remthemulatto.wordpress.com RemTheMulatto

                  I learn thru personal experience and listening to others.. Duurrr.. and reeedin booox frum tyme tuh tyme..

                  You, however, seem to have your head so far up your own buttocks, back end, backside, behind, bottom, bum, butt, derriere, fanny, fundament, gluteus maximus, haunches, hindquarters, posterior, rear, rump, seat, a$$ (dictionary.com worx for me) that I can’t imagine you learning anything from anyone ever at all..

                  I’m sure the jury would agree..

                  And if you approach your relationships with this mentality.. well.. what relationships?

                • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

                  RTM,
                  Don’t look now but I think there’s some hope for the boy yet, LOL.

                  My relationship life, one way or another, is of no concern to you, young one. Keep the focus on where it belongs.

                  Focus, Rem; focus… ;)

                  O.

          • http://lizburr.com Liz

            People are reading more online and other methods. Perhaps they’re reading less physical books and newspapers, as those industries are shifting. But overall reading for the sake of a literacy exercise is not on a mass decline, despite what your local unfriendly VSB poster claims.

            • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

              …And a very Good Morning to you too, Ms. Liz,

              As I have already noted below with my citation of Susan Jacoby’s Age of American UN-Reason (emphasis mine), people’s reading, writing and indeed critical thinking skills have indeed atrophied over the course of the past few decades. The book makes a fine case giving many examples as to why this is.

              It really needs no defence.

              Happy Monday! :)

              O.

              • kirieltee

                Defence? ;)

                • whykendra

                  lmao.

                • http://www.pinchmycheekie.wordpress.com Cheekie

                  He’s European, perhaps?

                • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

                  Cheekie,
                  Nah. I’m a died in the wool American, alright. I just like the way the Brits spell it.

                  O.

                • kirieltee

                  Good Sir,
                  Following that Logic, You shall now commit to the British spelling of the following words in all your future comments:

                  color colour center centre
                  meter metre encylopedia encylycopaedia
                  maneuver manoeuvre jewelry jewellery
                  draft draught theater theatre
                  favorite favourite honor honour
                  analyze analyse criticize criticise
                  memorize memorise pajamas pyjamas
                  plow plough
                  program programme
                  tire tyre
                  medieval mediaeval

                  Whew! There are a myriad more….. This could prove to be quite taxing! I’ll be watching! ;)

        • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

          AC,
          YES, that is what I’m saying. The book publishing business has been on the ropes for a longtime now, same deal with the newspaper business; surely, you know this?

          O.

          • Sylph

            Well I prefer to have the book in my hands where I can turn the pages, dog ear my favorite sections and flip back forth to my heart’s content. I’m sure there are others as well. There’s no need to jump on the issue.

            • http://tdlove.wordpress.com Tonya

              Me too! It’s my life long ambition to have a library in my home. I have kept all of my books for that purpose. Whenever I move, I can never find a friend to help.

            • MsMelissa!

              Exactly, I have bookshelves of books that I have deemed “worthy” of my collection. Some of them I plan to have my daughter read at certain points while she is still growing.

              ***kinda proud of all my bell hooks books :) *****

          • http://acford.blogspot.com A.C. Ford

            The publishing of paper-bound books is receding, but due to the availability of e-books, online literature sources, and audio-books, the consumption of literature is actually on the rise.

            • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

              AC,
              Alrighty then – you should be able to, on the basis of what you just said, find 10 people or more at random who’ve read Twain’s works in the past year; or know who HL Mencken was; can recite a bit of Ezra Pound, or the Illiyad, perhaps? And let’s not even get started on the Federalist Papers…

              Most people don’t read, folks. No need to hate on the messenger here, it is what it is. In fact it’s gotten so bad that even Jay Leno had an entire routine devoted to it on his show.

              I’m just sayin’.

              O.

              • Sylph

                I could find 10 random people by going to a university and hanging out in the English department. What you stated above isn’t the only form of literature consumed by the every day person. It’s nice that you yourself have obviously read these things (and it’s Iliad btw) but to try to drop an anvil on everyone else’s heads for not reading the same material comes off as elitist.

                People read. They don’t read what you do but they read.

                And Jay Leno? Sincerely? That’s your reference (aside from other published articles that I can easily find on the web)? *sigh*

                • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

                  Slyph,
                  According to Jay Leno’s “Jaywalking” skits, I am not all certain I would place a wager on such a scenario if I were you.

                  Here’s what Susan Jacoby has to say about the matter currently under examination:

                  http://www.amazon.com/Age-American-Unreason-Susan-Jacoby/dp/0375423745

                  Thanks for the correct spelling of the Illiad. It’s been awhile since I read it.

                  And with the above being the notable exception, all the other works are considered important literary works of the American lexicon. The Federalist Papers, of course, goes to the very heart of how and why our republic is, what it is.

                  And I can promise you, most of your fellow college students don’t have a clue about most of what I just listed.

                  We don’t read, not nearly as much as we used to. Fact.

                  O.

                • whykendra

                  Naw uh sylph! People dont read. Just Obsidian. He’s the only one. We are bumbling illiterate fools. He is brilliant. Can’t you tell that? Can’t you see from his comments that he is a brilliant, well-read intellectual god, standing on the throne above an illiterate society who will live in squaler and turmoil until we perish. And when that happens, he’ll be standing above us, on a mountain top, laughing. One hand on Thoreau’s Walden, the other one on his d**k.

                  bow down, people. bow down.

                • Jhane Sez

                  “One hand on Thoreau’s Walden, the other one on his d**k.”

                  Get out of my head or pay rent… and you owe me a laptop cleaning… Earl Grey and soy milk every where.

                  Funniest sh*t today ~JS

                • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

                  WhyKendra,
                  Replies below:

                  WK: Naw uh sylph! People dont read. Just Obsidian. He’s the only one. We are bumbling illiterate fools. He is brilliant. Can’t you tell that? Can’t you see from his comments that he is a brilliant, well-read intellectual god, standing on the throne above an illiterate society who will live in squaler and turmoil until we perish. And when that happens, he’ll be standing above us, on a mountain top, laughing. One hand on Thoreau’s Walden, the other one on his d**k.

                  O: You know, as I recall, last month or so there was a similar sentiment and exchange that primarily took place among the ladies of this august forum; you all have a strong tendency to use sexual references in your putdowns – something that, if it were Men doing it to Women, would be pilloried. One can reasonaly assume you would be among the rock throwers in such an instance.

                  In any event, I repeat the earlier maxim stated to Ms. Ford:

                  Ad Hominem, is the last refuge of scoundrels; and a tacit admission that the one foisting such an attack, has indeed lost the argument…

                  O.

              • http://acford.blogspot.com A.C. Ford

                Are you saying that most people don’t read period or that most people don’t read what they’re told to read in high school? To be fair, I live in a college town and am heavily involved with the writing community. My friends and acquaintances are voracious readers.

                Being someone who reads, and being someone who can recite Ezra Pound are two different things. Not all literature is taught in classrooms. I count blogs, magazines, newspapers, pamphlets, etc. as reading.

                • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

                  Hi AC,
                  I see this is going to be very, very interesting. Replies below:

                  AC: Are you saying that most people don’t read period or that most people don’t read what they’re told to read in high school?

                  O: Much of the former and a goodly bit of the latter.

                  AC: To be fair, I live in a college town and am heavily involved with the writing community. My friends and acquaintances are voracious readers.

                  O: Then step outside of it and go to any major metro area – we’ll take NYC for example. If I were a betting Man, I would wager a princely sum that you couldn’t stand on the corner of 42nd St in Times Square and come up with a dozen people who’ve read all the titles I mentioned above inside of a half hour.

                  AC: Being someone who reads, and being someone who can recite Ezra Pound are two different things.

                  O: Alright then – perhaps you can find 10 people on the street at random who has read their local newspaper in its actual paper form? Hmm?

                  AC: Not all literature is taught in classrooms. I count blogs, magazines, newspapers, pamphlets, etc. as reading.

                  O: Yes, but as Jacoby notes above in the link on her book I posted, reading is as much about WHAT you are actually reading, not just merely the fact that they’re reading. If that’s the case, then text messages count as “reading”, yes? Come on, Ms. Ford, you’re starting to come off as a Clever Silly here.

                  O.

                • http://www.remthemulatto.wordpress.com RemTheMulatto

                  Poop, folly, and hogwash to most of the above!

                • UrbanDismay

                  @Rem

                  Don’t forget claptrap.

                • http://www.remthemulatto.wordpress.com RemTheMulatto

                  @UD

                  *googles claptrap*

                  Yeah! That too! ;)

                • UrbanDismay

                  LOL @ Rem

                  I think we are going to get along swimmingly.

      • legitimate_soul

        Hi O,

        Two things:

        1. It wasn’t an issue of top notch grammar at all. It was spelling, sentence structure, and the way the person wrote that showed they either didn’t complete elementary education or that they were not diagnosed for dyslexia. I’m talking about backwards letters, words spelled phonetically, etc. Like I said, no judgement, just sadness. Please know I wasn’t skimming with a red pen for corrections and that’s simply not my style at all. Yet, an adult not being able to utilize basic communication in a written form and how that letter looked did make me sad. Especially, if I cared anything for the person.

        2. I thought it was clear in my intial post that it didn’t have to only be parents. Plus, a person could have lost a parent and still have reverence for them (not to mention happy memories, lessons they taught them, etc.). I stated the person might have valid reason for giving the parents the side eye and I offered having someone in their life that they respected and provided some structure that was helpful to their development. I noted a “mentor….somebody?” I respect people’s upbringing, that situations can differ, and I have a broad definition of “family” so please don’t get me wrong. I have no judgement about that. My point is that a person have some respect for someone, anyone, who helped them in their life and with their personal development whether that person is a relative or not.

        • WIP

          I understand LS. I think I understand where O is coming from; reading is the foundation for the things you’re talking about. But I’ve read letters from guys after they went to jail and was like WTF??? Where are the periods? Did he really just spell that word like that? He has no idea the contraction “we’re” even exists and is consistently using “where”? When seemingly smart, confident guys have horrible spelling and grammar skills it’s just a shock.

          • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

            WIP,
            As per usual, you have interpreted my musings accurately.

            I continue to be amazed how one is vilified in these parts for actually attempting to live up to the credo of this august forum – “Very Smart Brothas”. One of the great mysteries of our time.

            As for illiterate/inumerate Brothas – I do not see why this should come as any shock in the least to any Sista in our time; it has long been known that boys and Black boys especially, lag considerably behind Black girls in terms of education, all the way through the post-secondary levels.

            O.

    • http://twitter.com/SmartFoxGirl SmartFoxGirl

      As always, I agree with you LS. I was raised old school where you honor your parents. To this day, I can count on one hand how many times my parents and I REALLY got into it. My mother and my grandmother are literally my best friends. It always shocks me with American culture how alot of people (black and white) can cuss out their parents, argue, fight, disrespect and still live to see another day. Not in my family. You’ll get kilt for looking at any of the elders sideways. I think it added to my character and taut me how to deal with authority. I see alot of people lack this. Good point.

      • WIP

        S/N: Did ya see the girl on Teen Mom 2 cussing her mother out and physically confronting her because the mom wanted to take custody of the baby! They got the girl that hit the boyfriend, pretty soon they gonna be charging her a$$ for beating up her mother. While in reality, the mother is doing her the biggest favor in the world. Chirren these days…

        • http://twitter.com/SmartFoxGirl SmartFoxGirl

          Yes! Girrrllll….I blame her parents though. My mama is 5’9 and from the hoods of Jamaica. I never forget she warned me young. I think I was 3 but I never tested her again. :) I see these kids on talk shows showing out. I always blame the parents for allowing their kids to get out of control like that.

      • http://www.remthemulatto.wordpress.com RemTheMulatto

        White folks arguing with police is hilarious.. but that’s a ride I may never be brave enough for.

        • http://twitter.com/SmartFoxGirl SmartFoxGirl

          LOL I argue with the police…but that’s cause I’m lightskint and uppity. :D

          • http://www.remthemulatto.wordpress.com RemTheMulatto

            And you’re also a chick.. That helps..

            I could probably get away with it too.. But I’ll be damned..

          • Andi

            Cosign….lightskinned, uppity, w/ boobs. The girls tend to get me out of a lot of trouble :)

            • http://www.remthemulatto.wordpress.com RemTheMulatto

              My “girls” always get me INto trouble.. I call em Mickey and Minnie..

              • http://www.remthemulatto.wordpress.com RemTheMulatto

                Though I suppose a more appropriate name would be Thing 1 and Thing 2 on the trouble front.. Guess I gotta get my tatt redone..

      • Mo-VSS

        I’m sorry, but as an adult, arguing with your parents is futile. But…I know we all like to think that everyone’s parents are made of rainbows and sunshine, but they aren’t. Trust me…they are not. My mother, for example, usually gets the side eye from me and there are a lot of valid reasons for my feelings toward her. I love her, but I don’t like her. Will I ever cuss her out…not now because I’ve learned how to deal with her. But, in the past…I have cussed her out. At home. Yeah, I know how it sounds, but when you mother tries her best to cut you down and put you on a level she thinks you belong because of her own demons and insecurities, and you’ve listened, turned a deaf ear, left the room, left the home and still…she finds a way to continue, well…sometimes you have to give folks what they want.

        But, I left home at 18 and never went back so I don’t have to deal with her on a daily anymore. So, I get why folks think it’s unforgiveable to verbally assault your parents, but trust…there is usually more to the story when it does happen.

        • http://twitter.com/SmartFoxGirl SmartFoxGirl

          I understand. I know not everyone has great relationships with their parents. I’m lucky that my mother and I are close but I know that’s not common. Also, notice I didn’t say never, I said count on one hand. lol I have gotten into with my mom in the past when I was a teenager, I thought my mother was cruel and harsh. She was a no nonsense type of person because she had a hard life. So yeah, it wasn’t all peaches and cream.

  • Hustle_Marsalis

    How they treat people in service industries.

    • http://uphereoncloud9.com/ Wu Young

      Co-sign!

    • http://www.remthemulatto.wordpress.com RemTheMulatto

      I ask her why she’s only tipping 5%..
      She asks me why I’m not paying..
      We accept each other’s faults..

      • http://twitter.com/SmartFoxGirl SmartFoxGirl

        LOL!!

      • Tes

        lmao!

  • MzPW

    Hmmm….I’m gonna vote for “actually have a real, live, human conversation with said person” in order to truly know (or get to know) who that person may be. You ever try dating via text msg? Ummm….yeah.

    • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

      Please name the many realworld live venues that exist for the express purpose of people to meet the opposite sex with a view toward dating and relationships? I’ll wait…

      O.

      • WIP

        The Millionair Matchmaker mixers…

      • datone

        Generic:
        Charlie’s steakhouse
        TGIF
        Cheesecake Factory
        The movies…

        Just for dating venues:
        http://www.events4singles.us/us_washington_D_C_singles.php
        Google is your friend

      • Deeds

        She’s obviously talking about a person that she has met at least once before if they have eachother’s number to text eachother. She wants to actually get together with said person instead of just texting. So, talking about a realworld live venue to meet seems irrelevant to her issue.

        • http://lizburr.com Liz

          I thought that was obvious too lol.

          • Kimmy

            Only to EVERYone else, lol

        • MzPW

          Thank you.

      • http://www.remthemulatto.wordpress.com RemTheMulatto

        Somebody tell Obsidian he won so he can stop tryna battle everybody. He’s like the Canibus of VSB..

        • Mo-VSS

          LMAO at the “canibus of VSB”

        • Yoles

          “Somebody tell Obsidian he won so he can stop tryna battle everybody. He’s like the Canibus of VSB..”

          HA ???????????????

        • miss t-lee

          “Somebody tell Obsidian he won so he can stop tryna battle everybody. He’s like the Canibus of VSB..”

          Holy isht!!!! pfft… bwhahah

        • UrbanDismay

          @Rem

          You have been slaying me all day…Please continue.

        • Girl Kanyeshrug

          LOL!!!

        • legitimate_soul

          Rem,

          You are killing me today (in a good way)! *notes not to drink anything when reading Rem’s posts*

        • http://www.remthemulatto.wordpress.com RemTheMulatto

          I’m glad everyone is enjoying themselves.. And now for the shameless plug..

          If you’d like to enjoy the antics of Rem The Mulatto on a daily basis, click here and do the thing:
          http://www.twitter.com/RemTheMulatto

          If not.. well.. *sad face*

          • UrbanDismay

            Sorry. I don’t Twit or Twat or whatever.
            #sadface

            But I did like your blog.

    • Jhane Sez

      “Hmmm….I’m gonna vote for “actually have a real, live, human conversation with said person” in order to truly know (or get to know) who that person may be. You ever try dating via text msg? Ummm….yeah.”

      Agree whole heartedly… I only text for information or people that I don’t want to talk to.

      Texting is impersonal… it doesn’t require any real personal investment of time.

      I think that in a modern context spending time talking, especially face to face… for most people its hard to hide who you are in long conversations

      And it falls in line with a lot of the things that PJ mentioned, the tangible things, like paper and people… experiences.

      These are the the things that really allow you to get to know someone in more than a snapshot ~JS

      • Medium Meech

        In defense of texting.

        Texting is efficient and allows you to better allocate your time. Your girl can get all of her random topical thoughts of the day out of her system and you are free to respond with the requisite “whaaat?” or “yeah, they tripping” “or not my baby” at your leisure and without having to feign interest.

        I don’t always like talking on the phone, but I do like spending time with a person. And no, not just because face to face time leads to face to navel time. Real time conversations are just so extra. Text messages force you to think about the essence of what you are actually trying to communicate so it isn’t just babbling and saying “long story short” 12 times and ending up in a place that had nothing to do with where you started. And the other person actually has time to process what you’re saying and reply with a measured response.

        Just a higher form of communication.

        • WIP

          “And no, not just because face to face time leads to face to navel time.”
          Hilarious.
          I am guilty of overtesting and I am a fan of texting for starting difficult conversations. I enjoy being able to write out my thoughts before I say them. But some for some things I want to see people’s facial expressions when they respond.

          • WIP

            “over-texting”

          • Medium Meech

            that’s what emoticons are for. o___O

        • Jhane Sez

          “Text messages force you to think about the essence of what you are actually trying to communicate so it isn’t just babbling and saying “long story short” 12 times and ending up in a place that had nothing to do with where you started. And the other person actually has time to process what you’re saying and reply with a measured response.”

          This is interesting because the significant other and I do this if we aren’t together watching Mad Men or Boardwalk Empire or something like that when we don’t want to forget a comment that we want to make and don’t want to stop watching the show…even if we end up talking afterward…

          And we talk several times a day because we are both extroverted and verbal

          The funny thing is there are only a select few people that I enjoy that much conversation with… the other 80% or so I could hit on chat or text.

          So I get where texting can enhance and augment intimacy…

          I was thinking more of the over use of texting as a substitute for conversation ~JS

        • V Renee

          “I don’t always like talking on the phone, but I do like spending time with a person.”

          This is me! I only like talking to my mama on the phone. The only other times I like talking on the phone is when I’m confirming plans. Hell I hate the sound of a ringing phone and will send someone to voice mail in a heartbeat. I’m all about talking/communicating in person. Body language alone makes for meaningful conversation than phone talk.

          • Medium Meech

            I know. I mean, in high school I used to have long phone conversations because it was the only option. But it really is a poor substitute for face to face. Half the way people communicate is with their face and body. Why spend 3 hours a day talking to a lot of people when you can spend that time actually hanging out?

        • Shay

          Text messages force you to think about the essence of what you are actually trying to communicate so it isn’t just babbling and saying “long story short” 12 times and ending up in a place that had nothing to do with where you started.

          Shouldn’t folks be doing this already? Someone made the argument to me that with technology and social networking more and more people are talking but they’re not really saying anything at all- and it’s technology’s fault. I disagree. Technology does allow you to strip away the layers and quickly discover if a person has something to say or not, but I didn’t really need text messaging to help me understand the fact that roughly 80% of people don’t actually say sh*t worth listening to. It’s always a pleasant surprise when I come across someone worth listening to. (Yeah, I realize this makes me elitist and a tad bit arrogant, and frankly, I’ve been struggling to reconcile these facts.)

          And the other person actually has time to process what you’re saying and reply with a measured response.

          This caught my eye because I am an introvert. I type/write much more eloquently than I speak, but I am verbally articulate as well. I prefer face-to-face conversations over a text message (or a phone call) any day of the week. I’d much rather see a person’s face, their expression, and their body language as the speak with me.

          • Medium Meech

            “Shouldn’t folks be doing this already?”

            They should, but it’s rare. I’m a fan of people getting to their point and all the extra stuff either leading to it or expanding upon it. In a lot of conversations this just doesn’t happen. Texting helps with that because I sometimes lose interest and wander off with people on the phone if they aren’t coherent. I don’t feign interest well. I have to do it at work so much that I don’t want to deal with it too much at home. I’m talking to someone with that very problem as I type this. Texting helps them cut it down and thus makes me a better communicator. Still prefer face to face.

        • http://twitter.com/Phidelity15 Phidelity15

          my post got 404′d…hate when that happens! But anyway if I can remember correctly what I was saying was that I love how you explained this Meech. I can totally understand that standpoint, but nothing beats the spontaniety of a real time or face to face conversation. It allows time to check out your thought pattern and processes. As you’ve said, text msgs allowed for time to process a thought or situation and gather an opinion. Hell you have time to google some of the subjects concerning the conversation or topic at hand…but for me nothing beats hearing a persons first thoughts or even hearing or seeing their reactions to a topic. Its like their first draft or rough copy of their thoughts, whereas text msgs could be the final draft. Natural responses are way more interesting than that

          • Medium Meech

            I prefer face to face too. Texting is just better than phone calls for me. It allows me to convey much more info with a lot more people than phone calls.

  • http://www.nicklodeon.wordpress.com Nick@Nite

    I still handwrite everything.. few people on this site have letters/ cards/ notes from me.. I think handwriting is a lost art and ever since I got that certificate in elementary, EVERYONE gone see my handwriting!
    #CockyBoutMyPenFlow

    Your #2 is the TRUTH! Me and my ex were driving along and he got a flat tire. The tantrum that ensued had ME apologizing to him. You woulda thought I punctured the blastid thing.. Flappin his arms, kickin sh*t on the side of I-95..
    I knew he was unbalanced…

    • http://www.pinchmycheekie.wordpress.com Cheekie

      I’d like to say, for the record, that I ADORE your handwriting, Nick! I’ve been meaning to tell you for a while now (but I’m senile and sh*t), and now’s the perfect opportunity. Your handwriting slays hos and their fountain pens.

  • http://hisandhersinks.wordpress.com HisandHerSinks

    How they drive… its important to know how they handle traffic, take safety precautions, risky driving behavior, road rage Also seeing someone on their job is telling.

    • http://twitter.com/SmartFoxGirl SmartFoxGirl

      Oops, well….I speed, love my horn, can dodge through traffic and get anywhere I need to go in 20 mins or less however I haven’t been in an accident for 15 years and I’m one of the safest drivers I know. I think stunt car driving makes you a better driver. lol

      • http://www.remthemulatto.wordpress.com RemTheMulatto

        Just cuz u hit and ran doesn’t mean u didn’t have an accident, Speed Demon :P

        • http://twitter.com/SmartFoxGirl SmartFoxGirl

          hey hey hey…it was a Jag so they could afford to fix it. ;)

      • http://www.shesoflyy.com Muze

        #POW.

        you just described my driving to a T.

        i love to speed and whip in and out of lanes. have never been in a car accident. i agree that it does indeed mean you are actually a more talented driver. lol hehe.

    • http://www.remthemulatto.wordpress.com RemTheMulatto

      I dunno about this one.. Cuz I mean.. WOMEN CAN’T DRIVE!

      Yeah, I said it! Who wanna battle!?

      • TezzyBaby

        Yet if you account for the fact that women as an aggregate do not drive as many miles as men do and perhaps get in more minor car accidents, Men are exceedingly more likely to get in a MAJOR car accident and die frm said accident. POW!! lol

        • http://www.remthemulatto.wordpress.com RemTheMulatto

          Thwarted again..

    • Cali

      its important to figure out who needs more control as well. I HAAAAATED the way my ex bf drove – slow, seemingly without purpose. I drove most of the time – he didn’t mind, & as it turns out he was neutral on so many things that trait ended up bugging me half the time.

  • Leila

    Co-sign with #2-4!

    - See how they interact with their family
    - See their collection of books
    - See how they act on a trip. I can tell a lot about a guy when we travel especially on a road trip. Does he have road rage, is he laid-back, can he handle new situations. It shows me lot especially if it’s a different culture.

    • http://heardhimsay.com Drew-Shane

      This is why I rotate books on my book shelf!

      I think you can tell alot about a person too by just putting them in certain elements. Agree!

      • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

        Drew,
        Just curious – what are some of your favorite book titles? Here’s a few of mine:

        The Prince
        The Art of Wordly Wisdom
        The Art of War
        The Kama Sutra
        The Game
        Taliban

        What’s yours?

        O.

        • naijaborn

          Yikes, The Prince, The Art of War, The Kama Sutra, The Art of Wordly Wisdom AND The Game are on your self published list of favorite book titles?

          Not that I’m ashamed of my PUA days, but after Gunwitch’s arrest, I thought people would be toning this down a bit.

          • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

            Naijaborn,
            Surely you jest – can you not see the huge, gaping hole in your logic here?

            For one thing, I am not now, nor have I ever been, a PUA; secondly, assuming everything that has been reported about Gunwitch is indeed true and accurate, how does that invalidate what Neil “Style” Strauss said in his memoir? OK, so if Bruce Lee let’s say, wrote a book about Jeet Kune Do (and he did) and someone else comes along and ostensibly uses JKD to kill someone, does it invalidate JKD? Another example: does the events on Wall St. over the past few years an indictment on the whole of the American banking system? Because the Civil War took place, does that then mean that the grand American Experiment in Democracy, was fundamentally flawed?

            There are many reasons why I put The Game on my list of all-time favorite reads; indeed, one could make a very convincing case that The Art of War and The Prince, has much in common with it. The Game touches on many themes beyond that of the underground world of pickup artists; it speaks to the state of our times in which we live, how Men are left to fend for themselves in the world of dating by society, about the deeply profound power of human sexuality and interaction (and how it is not to be trifled with), just to name but a few very important themes. I haven’t read Strauss’ other works, though I am familiar with them and have read his articles; he’s an excellent writer, indeed.

            O.

            • naijaborn

              @Obsidian

              >>Naijaborn,
              Surely you jest – can you not see the huge, gaping hole in your logic here?<>secondly, assuming everything that has been reported about Gunwitch is indeed true and accurate, how does that invalidate what Neil “Style” Strauss said in his memoir? <>OK, so if Bruce Lee let’s say, wrote a book about Jeet Kune Do (and he did) and someone else comes along and ostensibly uses JKD to kill someone, does it invalidate JKD?<> Another example: does the events on Wall St. over the past few years an indictment on the whole of the American banking system?<>Because the Civil War took place, does that then mean that the grand American Experiment in Democracy, was fundamentally flawed?<>There are many reasons why I put The Game on my list of all-time favorite reads; indeed, one could make a very convincing case that The Art of War and The Prince, has much in common with it. The Game touches on many themes beyond that of the underground world of pickup artists; it speaks to the state of our times in which we live, how Men are left to fend for themselves in the world of dating by society, about the deeply profound power of human sexuality and interaction (and how it is not to be trifled with), just to name but a few very important themes. I haven’t read Strauss’ other works, though I am familiar with them and have read his articles; he’s an excellent writer, indeed.<<
              This comes the closest to being an actual reply to me. In any case, my point was to highlight the lack of diversity on your favorite list and while it perhaps provides context on your worldview, I wanted to see just how tied you were to the ideas described within those books. I guess I've gotten my answer.

              • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

                Lack of diversity? Please explain?

                Three of the books listed have to do with politics in shape or form; one explicitly deals with military strategy; and two have explictly to do with sex and relationships. Seems fairly “diverse” to me, although such a consideration wasn’t foremost in my mind when I made the list I freely admit.

                O.

        • Medium Meech

          Taliban was a good book. Very interesting to see an thorough examination of the group before September 11 made it almost impossible to right about the group from any other perspective outside of the events of that day.

          • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

            MM,
            Ahmed Rashid’s Magnum Opus and a must-read for anyone attempting to get their arms around Central Asian politics.

            Simply put.

            O.

            • http://heardhimsay.com Drew-Shane

              If you care to know, I read a lot of management and leadership books. Such as “Crucial Conversations, The Allure of Toxic Leaders: Why We Follow Destructive Bosses and Corrupt Politicians–and How We Can Survive Them, How Full is Your Bucket” makes it easier to have conversation because most people aren’t reading these types of books.

              Of course I have my basic “Black” novels, which most have been turned into movies by now. I see we have way different tastes…

              • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

                DS,
                Not necessarily; please note that both The Prince and The Art of War have been applied in the manner the books cited by you deals with, which sounds like business management and the like. Mine are just older sources of information, is all. But not all that terribly different,

                O.

            • http://www.twitter.com/Stank_0 Stank-0

              Rashid has some issue with Uzbeks, more like prejudices actually. It is evident in his writings. Central Asia is my region of concentration. I would say read the New Great Game and for a sliver of history (it can get extensive) try one of the several books on Amir Temur aka Temurlane aka Tamer the lame

              Central Asia can be boiled down to the Soviet presidents remixin their image to be nationalist and then holding onto power until death or revolution. Throw in natural resources and countries the world over scrambling to kiss their @ss and you have a pretty good foundation for understanding of the region.

              • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

                Yes, Rashid makes all of this clear in his book, although I will be keen to be on the lookout for the other titles you’ve mentioned. Thanks!

                O.

    • WIP

      Road trip is a good one. Sitting in a vehicle with someone watching them drive, selecting music, making BS conversation when the good conversation runs out, trying to stay awake/getting made when they go to sleep- great stuff. Getting lost is one of the best relationship tests there is, LOL.

    • http://www.remthemulatto.wordpress.com RemTheMulatto

      Shux.. I need to get a bookshelf.. and some boox..

      • http://heardhimsay.com Drew-Shane

        @RemTheMulatto- People tend to go crazy when they see you have a little book collection. Just throw some books on there. They won’t know! Remember, they don’t you! LOL

        • http://www.remthemulatto.wordpress.com RemTheMulatto

          *hops on Amazon to look for classic book covers to put over old text books*

          • TezzyBaby

            *dead*

            • TezzyBaby

              Cuz if I dont have a million textbooks collecting dust b/c the bookstore wanted to give me 33cent for a book I spent $237.43 on