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Chris Brown’s Hoes Ain’t Loyal, But Everybody Else Seems To Be

Chris Brown (Chelsea Lauren/Getty Images)

 

Can I be real with you all for a second? Like, can I kick it?

Yes you can.

Cool.

I effin’ love Chris Brown’s song “Loyal”. This song has managed to worm its way into Panama’s favorite songs of all time in the history of ever list along with songs by Donny Hathaway, Keith Sweat, and Led Zeppelin. In fact, of all the music I’ve ever heard there are two songs I wish I was responsible for: Psapp’s “Cosy In The Rocket” (aka the Grey’s Anatomy theme song) and “These Hoes Ain’t Loyal”.

But this song got me to thinking about exactly why Chris Brown stays winning. The boy hasn’t seen an altercation he didn’t want to be apart of. I’ve said it before (I’m too lazy to look up where), but if you’re out somewhere and you see a chair fly through a window, it doesn’t mean that Chris Brown threw it. But if Chris Brown is present, he also can’t be ruled out as a suspect. We all know he needs a better team around him of pretty much everybody who has a job. I’d never take a job as his PR agent or publicist. I’d want no parts of that (almost literal) ticking time bomb.

And yet, musically, my man continues to drop hit after hit after hit. Which, yes Virginia, is a pun. I should let that go. But he’s got a good ear for music that will continue to resonate with his audience and, in that realm, he manages to remain both relevant and relatively embraced. Sure we crack jokes, but Breezy hasn’t been blackballed or blacklisted. He’s still around. He was in Think Like A Man. He’s been in movies when he’s not in somebody’s jail or on somebody’s road picking up trash. And to some degree, after what he has done and been through, I find it partially amazing. I know we love a good redemption story, but damn.

(Sidenote: Y’all remember the Mimi-Niko secks tape? That fire has completely died out huh? I’m watching LHH:ATL while Niko was plotting some sort of pr0n takeover. Seems like they capitalized as much as they could off of it. Also, LHH has reached epic levels of non-sense these past two episodes.)

But this all goes back to the R. Kelly mode of making it. And something that I think only male artists can truly recover from: as long as you make music people love, you can get away with anything. I realize this isn’t anything new, but when I find myself getting so hype and listening to a song whose actual title includes the word “hoes” and “loyal” I think to myself…

…what a a wonderful world.

But I wonder…could a woman artist really recover from a public shaming? Have there been any female artists (can I say female in this context without it being sexist? Real question) who have gone through a shaming and have managed to make it back to stardom? I know we tend to let men get away with a lot more than women. And yes that’s a loaded statement; but I also don’t think its untrue.

Funny enough, I can’t think of a single women artist who has truly lost her damn mind…wait….

…Lauryn Hill. But even there she reverted unto herself and had a nervous breakdown…then ridiculed the Pope and the Catholic church, but who hasn’t done that?

I guess without examples I’m just throwing darts in the dark, but I do wonder about this stuff from time to time. Aaliyah managed to make it past her marriage to R. Kelly at age 15 but I’d swear that her family made that entire episode pretty much disappear. She bounced back but that’s because we just never talked about it AND she was around before social media. I’m not sure if that stuff happened today, she’d be able to recover. Meanwhile, I’m in my house crip-walkin’ to Chris Brown who can do no wrong in my eyes. Even his euro-trash song “Forever” was damn near perfect. Also, in a bit of “holy f*ck I’m old”…do you all realize that Chris Brown first hit the scene in 2005?

That’s right. Chris Brown has been in our lives for nearly 10 years at this point.

Either way, I want you all to know that I love “Loyal” because I need to be able to move on. This is my admission. It’s not even a guilty pleasure because I feel no guilt. I want you to know so that you can be happy as I am. It’s harmonically perfect. It’s topically wonderous.

It’s ratchet and the gentleman at the same time. And it seems like Chris Brown is the only one making music good enough to get you to look past his past. Along with his f*cksh*t mentor, R. Kelly who has started to fade into obscurity.

Sharing is caring.

These hoes ain’t loyal…but Panama is for the children.

See? Loyal.

So what do you think? How has Chris Brown managed to stay winning? Is it just the music??

What happen? How it happen?

 

Panama Jackson

Panama Jackson is pretty fly (and gorgeous) for a light guy. He used to ship his frito to Tito in the District, but shipping prices increased so he moved there to save money. He refuses to eat cocaine chicken. When he's not saving humanity with his words or making music with his mouth, you can find him at your mama's mama's house drinking her fine liquors. Most importantly, he believes the children are our future. You can hit him on his hitter at panamadjackson@gmail.com.

  • Chris Brown will stop winning when he stops being cute. Until then he’s going to have a long, long career regardless of what he does.

    • Val

      The reaction to Jeremy Meeks proved this to be true.

      • I mean I’m not comfortable drawing parallels to that because I have no idea how “loyal” women are to Jeremy Meeks as they have proven to be towards Chris Brown. That IS the elephant in the room when it comes to these conversations though. The vast majority of his fanbase that actually puts out the money to make sure Chris stays in the limelight are women. But we try to make it seem like everyone is contributing to Chris Brown’s inability to die and fade away in the pop world. That’s not to imply that SOLELY women consume his music and support him but there would be substantial differences if 50% of his female fanbase up and left versus 50% of his male fanbase left.

        I don’t know how sincerely women here want to grapple with THAT conversation though.

        • Val

          I think the Jeremy/ Chris comparison holds because with both it’s about ignoring gigantic flaws. Also, with both it’s about being willing to support them from a distance. I think loyal in this case just means being a fan of despite the obvious reason(s) not to be.

          • esa

            for some, i am sure it is more embrace than ignore ~ for those, their actions hold a certain allure. it’s a storyline that serves their world. only ~she~ can save him.

          • “I think the Jeremy/ Chris comparison holds because with both it’s about ignoring gigantic flaws”

            I still don’t see it. I think it’s conflating an acknowledgment of attractiveness (Meeks) with actual, longterm monetary support (Brown). If Jeremy Meeks is still popular online next year, MAYBE. But for now, he’s just another internet sensation, and his run hasn’t even gone a week.

            • Val

              My point, as a response to Malik’s original comment, was that in both cases it is their relative attractiveness that allows them the support they have. You can nitpick about how long they receive this support but the fact remains that if they were not considered attractive they wouldn’t have received the support they did considering their transgressions.

              • I can acknowledge that point, but I guess the parallel stops there for me because so many are blowing up the attention that Meeks is receiving into “support.” And I don’t necessarily agree that it extends to literal support, just, Oh, he fine! Aaaand that’s about it.

                • Deeds

                  Well, I believe his mother set up a page to raise money so he can make bail and there have been women that have donated. That can probably fall under support.

                  • PhlyyPhree

                    Actually, I heard that his mother got the money from a tattoo laser removal company that is going to remove the tattoos and THEN see if they can turn him into a model.

                    But I heard that on Russ Parr so…. yea

                    • Rachmo

                      If so his mom is smart

                • towninc

                  and really he is only fine in 1 picture. them other pictures where he opens his mouth ruined it for me.

            • We turned Terio into the Michelin Man, Jeremy gonna be writing letters for Tumblr n sh t.

              • we hate ourselves

              • Val

                I heard he has an actual offer from a major modelling agency for work as soon as he gets out of jail. Lol

                • ED

                  Saw a headline that he was offered free tattoo removal. I didn’t bother reading the article

                  • Val

                    I don’t doubt it.

            • Epsilonicus

              “I still don’t see it. I think it’s conflating an acknowledgment of attractiveness (Meeks) with actual, longterm monetary support (Brown).”

              Folks are trying to send him money…

        • Joel

          Nothing says loyalty like a bunch of women banding together to raise the $100K to get you out of jail….and you’re MARRIED. lol

          • Epsilonicus

            Right!! And he said he did not want the attention and they are still tryna help him out. smh.

        • Women will move on from Meeks in a week. Women are actually considered by the industry to be some of the most DISLOYAL fans, as they tend to move on to the next “cute” thing and leave the guy in the dust. See Eric Benet, Trey Songz, every 90’s male group (until the random comeback supergroup tours), Jaheim, to some extent Maxwell (his album delays are purely pride, because that album SHOLE did not make a quarter of the # of his first two), the list goes on. It is especially true for R&B, which is why breezy’s foray into rap & dance was inevitable.

          • Trey Songz audience has always been teen girls. they grew out of him. I’m happy I have someone to blame for my lack of new Maxwell though.

            • We were so hungry for Maxwell we forgot to notice his new stuff is rather mediocre. I’m ok with it never coming out.

              • JM2C

                I’m glad that I am not the only one that felt that way. I bought the entire BLACKsummers’night album (I generally only buy singles now, but it was Maxwell so I bought the entire album), but I only like a couple of the songs (one of which was on the radio). I decided then that I would not be buying any more Maxwell albums.

      • Medium Meech

        And Dzhokhar Tsarnev

        • Freebird

          And Oscar Pistorius

          • Medium Meech

            Eric Northman

            • Freebird

              Lupe The Killa

              Too soon?

              • Medium Meech

                Not too soon. They hating on here, but them bold key strokes humidifying alllll them labias.

    • KeepIt1000

      Cute is for the superficial idiots. The music is garbage. I wonder what Tina Davis is thinking when she find this clown on the streets. Maybe a bed warmer to get into show biz, Just saying.

  • Anyway, I don’t think there’s a female equivalent to Chris Brown because there isn’t a single major (or many minor actually) female stars who’s majority fanbase is of women. So we can’t really do a comparative study. I mean maybe someone like Jean Grae has a majority male fanbase? Maybe?

    • Women artists have to keep reinventing to stay relevant, Rihanna dropped an album a year until she got some leeway to chill. Then look at someone as big as Gaga thought she could just come right back and was humbled quickly.

      • Epsilonicus

        The sad thing is that the album that supposedly flopped was better musically than the previous ones (except that R Kelly song)

        • Rachmo

          I think starting off with that song was a mistake. I’m not sure why her squad thought it would jump off.

          • Epsilonicus

            He should have just written a song for her, not actually sang one with her lol

            • miss t-lee

              Bingo.

            • Rachmo

              Yuuuup. I can’t listen to R Kelly sing that it creeps me out.

              • Epsilonicus

                Same here. Like I literally feel slightly sick and then I have to change the song.

          • miss t-lee

            Exactly. There were much better songs on that album that could have been singles. “Sexx Dreams” or “Fashion!” specifically.

    • “Anyway, I don’t think there’s a female equivalent to Chris Brown because there isn’t a single major (or many minor actually) female stars who’s majority fanbase is of women. ”

      Beyonce?

      • Joel

        Yeah, I was gonna name Bey myself…..because I as a man certainly do not care for Beyonce or her music.

    • Mary J. Blige? (1994-2001, at least…)

      • Interesting…

        • For real, man! When Mary dropped “My Life”, that’s when she had the ears of every woman- never mind the fact that it was a poorly written and underproduced body of work.

          She was their hero- at least until Beyoncé and Keyshia Cole came along, LOL!

      • This is an acceptable answer as someone who was belting out Mary J songs on the couch at 3 years old.

    • Val

      In general aren’t women the ones who spend the most money on music? So, whether you are a male of female artist if you don’t have the support of women you are likely to fail.

      • miss t-lee

        Basically.

    • ED

      I don’t know of any female artist whose majority fanbase is made up of men.

      • Freebird

        Erykah Badu?

        • ED

          That’s news to me

          • Freebird

            me too. im probably just talking about myself.

            • camilleblu

              me too. im probably just talking about myself.

              that made me lol…

              • Freebird

                yeah. i was projecting my desires on brothers.

        • Epsilonicus

          I always thought her fanbase was mostly female based on who attends her concerts.

        • LadyIbaka

          Can we just talk about her bootay? Like, damn, woah, good Lawd, how, why, her?! I soooo do NOT care for her music, but Id go to her concert to just like stare, compare, and try to compute the circumference and radius on that thang!

          • Freebird

            i think on some levels it is why i mentioned her even though she doesnt answer eds question at all.

            • LadyIbaka

              I feel you, no need to explain thyself. #thethirstisrealbutmenocare

      • Rapsody, MC Lyte, Jean Grae, Bahamadia, Mindy Smith, Lita Ford, Rah Digga, Adriana Evans, Davina, Kate Bush.

        • afronica

          I’d have given you a pass on that list, but you got to reel it back in on Kate Bush. If you’re referring to Running Up That Hill, This Woman’s Work Kate Bush, that is. Chicks, specially yt ones go very hard for Miss Kate.

          • Maybe so, but I have yet to see any White women that own any Kate Bush albums. I have seen many dudes buying her records, however.

            • afronica

              Wow. My white college buddies worship(ped) at the altar of Kate. Maybe it was a prep school thing.

              • Probably. As people get older, they want to listen to music that’s les complicated. As much as I love Kate, she’s not an easy listen.

    • Medium Meech

      Beyonce?

      • I mispoke/was confusing. I mean to say there isn’t a major female artist who’s fanbase is mostly men.

        • Medium Meech

          Carmen Hayes?

          • Touche.

            • afronica

              *more like boob-shea*

  • Chris Brown is the current icon for the feminine Captain Save-a-Ninja movement, period. You don’t have to dig much deeper than that. I find it interesting that as much as we clown dudes for trying to save women, in practice, women are somewhat more likely to be trying to save a dude. So many women think they have the golden nani, and that their hugs and mediocre mac-and-cheese will somehow melt his heart but only for them.

    As I get older (and hopefully more mature), I am realizing what a toxic presence that mindset is and do the dip whenever I see it. However, there is a large population of women who think that if they can save the good-looking Bad Boy that they’ll get a man who is loyal to them and only them. It’s a form of arrogance, and it’s a shame it isn’t recognized as such more often. If it isn’t Chris Brown or #felonybae, it will be some other good looking dude with a bad looking back story.

    Simply put, these women need hobbies.

    • Rawtid

      …my mac & cheese is excellent though.

      • Andrea

        I’d ask you for your recipe. But I haven’t cooked in like 5 years. lol

        • kidvideo

          So your cooking skills ain’t…I think you know the rest.

          • LadyIbaka

            Ain’t loyal! Just say it out loud, bruh!

        • towninc

          funny!

      • Have you ever made it with a mornay sauce with sharp cheddar, Monterrey Jack, parmesan, enmentel, mozzarella and lots of gruyere and lots of the same cheese sprinkled throughout the pan and on top? Have you ever made it with 3 pounds of cheese so rich that you need a Lactate pill after eating it? Do you know what wine to pair with it?

        I will son in this food game. :)

        • Kema

          I use sharp cheddar and 4 other cheeses that I will not speak on. :-p But I don’t know what wine to pair it with. Do tell…

          • I would go with a nice Riesling. I know the traditional move is to go with reds, but I like whites with bite. :)

            • afronica

              Re: the Riesling, dry or off-dry?

              • Medium Meech

                I like my Rieslings like I like my women…

                • afronica

                  “Sweet, as cherry pie…”

                  • Medium Meech

                    Na, cheap and from California.

                    • afronica

                      Good line, but a CA Riesling? *shudders* Guess I prefer mine chilly and crisp. Buttoned-up with a dry sense of humor.

        • Rawtid

          i always mix my cheeses–no specific kinds just whatever i feel like using at the time. also always top with cheese and breadcrumbs before baking.

          I’d prefer not to be backed up due to cheese lol. But its always cheesy without being too much.

          I’m not a wine lover/drinker so no, I know nothing about pairing it with food.

          • miss t-lee

            You gotta switch up the cheese mix from time to time.
            *daps*

      • Kema

        Was about to say the same thing. My mac & cheese save lives.

        • Pics or it didn’t happen. :)

          • CamCamtheGreat

            …You can’t eat pictures.

      • PunchDrunkLove

        While I do don’t bad in the kitchen, my mac & cheese could never get right. I can though vouch for probably the best mac & cheese ever…the Okay Cafe…seven cheeses…to die for and could probably save lives…lol

      • kidvideo

        I’m sure it brings all the boys to the yard.

    • Andrea

      I think they need to live in cities. My solution to everything. If you have to drive to meet a man…. versus walk….you are gonna want a return on that investment of gas. Which might make you do things you shouldn’t.
      Also that implies a woman is tryna court a man. I think maturity and experience are the best teachers to dissuade one from that.

      • Why would you look at that as courting behavior though? Especially since in many of these cases, the thug dude is the one doing the initial approach even if they are cosigning it?

      • Epsilonicus

        Ain’t courting. It is when you tryna save him that it all goes downhill.

    • ” I am realizing what a toxic presence that mindset is and do the dip whenever I see it. However, there is a large population of women who think that if they can save the good-looking Bad Boy that they’ll get a man who is loyal to them and only them. It’s a form of arrogance, and it’s a shame it isn’t recognized as such more often.”

      Now this is a topic I would love to see discussed here and it could be discussed in a reasonable and thoughtful manner. That means the usual suspects may have to take a holiday…

      • panamajackson

        I’m pretty sure we wrote about something similar before. But i may drudge it up.

      • Joel

        It goes both ways, though….There is a contingent of women that want to save the “bad boy” as long as he’s considered attractive. There’s also a contingent of men that will put up with the “bad/crazy/we-know-we-ain’t-got-no-business-messing-with-her girl” (if you will) as long as she’s considered attractive. (think Halle, Erykah, and any woman that shows up on Love and Hip-Hop…lol)

        • You’d be surprised at what people will put up with simply because they have an attractive person on their arm.

          • Joel

            I agree. I’ve alluded to this in several other conversations before things took unauthorized left turns at Albuquerque. Word to Bugs Bunny.

    • PhlyyPhree

      I had a legitimate reply…but mediocre mac and cheese killed it.

      • The mac and cheese is a shout out to the women who never cook…until the right man comes along. Now they’re on Martha Stewart status trying to save this crazy ninja from humping around. LOL

        • PhlyyPhree

          Oh I get it. I didn’t learn how to properly grill a steak until college. I GET. It.

    • towninc

      this thought process isn’t new. women have been trying to save the bad boy for a long long time. Just like their have always been cheaters.

    • I don’t think this is even exclusively to bad boys. A lot of women want/need to feel validated by the men they are with. The bad boy variety is them feeling validated by being the “good thing” in their life or what have you. They stay loyal to cheaters in hopes of being validated as the one that they stopped cheating for. Basically they the specialness about themselves to be validated by a man changing.

  • Rachmo

    First of all Panama it’s okay. I may not be on iTunes paying money for that song, but I never turn it off. I may even hum along and I have no idea why. All I know is that if I ever flame out I want Breezy’s team to put me back together bc he is still out here getting checks and making hits. Oh and even though she’s not a singer Angelina Jolie bounced back splendidly.

  • Funny u mention Arruh, because Chris basically went the Kells route and won his way back thru the club. It took a decade to realize maybe we shouldn’t be supporting R Kelly because Ignition remix banged, Snake and Thoia Thoing not so much but they were just about everywhere too. Moral of the story we can pretend we have some moral compass but we just want the hits.

    • towninc

      yep! I mentioned this before in a post about Rhianna’s bad girl image being fake. I’m not sorry that I like music. For the most part, I don’t want to know about your personal life nor does it stop me from liking the lyrics you sing or the beat you sing over.

  • “But this all goes back to the R. Kelly mode of making it. And something that I think only male artists can truly recover from: as long as you make music people love, you can get away with anything.”

    This can be explained in a very short sentence: It’s all about the looks and less about the music. If one notices, if an artist does something fairly controversial and isn’t exactly what one would consider proverbial “eye candy”, their reign at the top would be short like leprechauns.

    Another factor is that we have been living in the visual age since the creation of MTV. At that point in time, a person’s music took a back seat to their image, and it’s even more prevalent now- thanks to the advent of social media. Another thing I noticed is that today’s artists are more concerned about being a “brand” than artistry.

    It isn’t really about making music that people love, it’s more along the lines of the image they happen to put across….at least that is how I see it from my end. As a person nearing 40 years of age, I can’t say that I’m familiar with Chris Brown’s music- I haven’t gone out of my way to seek it. With the exception of Miguel, Janelle Monae and Antoine Dunn, I have little to no use for any current R&B talent that’s in their 20’s.

    Although I do find it amusing that with all the things he’s done that should have ended his career, he’s been around for a decade. That’s a long time to have a career of making mindless drivel for the masses.

    • panamajackson

      I was amazed when i realized he came out in 2005. Like, that’s a real career in music.

      • I thought for sure that he would be gone at least by 2010, but his career has been hard to kill.

    • towninc

      “Another thing I noticed is that today’s artists are more concerned about being a “brand” than artistry.” I can’t get mad at today’s artist for wanting to get paid. They make garbage music and promote their “brands” because that’s what people are buying (not me though). Guess what though: I go to my garbage job not because it feeds my soul, but because it allows me to eat delicious food, travel, live in a nice neighborhood, and see artist who aren’t making garbage music in concert on a regular basis. Call them sellouts and garbage music makers. Call me a sellout all day long too. oh well

      • As Phonte once said on “The Good Fight”, everybody got to do a f*ckin’ job that they hate.

      • afronica

        Good point.

  • I hate Chris Brown’s music. But Loyal is a jam tho can’t front. But my theory for why male artists can keep bouncing back more than female artists is that women generally drive album sales, especially in R&B and their attraction to the male artists allows them to forgive more of their transgressions. Obviously female singers can’t rely on that as much (even tho I swear all these heauxs want to marry Rihanna), and I think that plays a big part in the difference between the two.

    • Ironically enough…… These stans is loyal.

      • Michelle

        And nuttier than a defective box of Kracker Jacks.
        If stans had their ways…
        Kim Kardashian is a racially ambiguous feminist, Rhodes Scholar that has the better business knowledge than Warren Buffett, the late Steve Jobs and Ted Turner.
        Beyonce is the second coming of Christ.
        Kanye is the greatest inventor since Benjamin Franklin.

        • miss t-lee

          “And nuttier than a defective box of Kracker Jacks. ”

          *cackles*

    • IcePrincess

      Ima tell u why u hate CB’s music, but love “loyal.” Because he had nothing to do wit the song!! Zero. Ty dolla $ign wrote it. He didn’t even write it with CB in mind. It was already a complete song, the beat, lyrics, melody, errthang. He was gon put it out on his own. Then one day he got a call saying that Chris loved the song & had already cut the record, could they go ahead with it? Ty said sure, cut the check, & the rest is history!

      • Yea that makes sense now. I always said some of Chris’s best songs sound like they could have been made by anybody. I know its common for songs to get written then sold to an artist but I didn’t know that was the case with Loyal

      • panamajackson

        Yeah, that’s obvious it was a Ty dolla sign song. But let’s be real, CB makes hits. Simple. And it wouldn’t have been as big had Ty done it. I love “paranoid” but Ty aint a household name.

        • LadyIbaka

          I don’t even know who this TY-kwando people are, but what I do know is that CB is talented! Yes oo. This boy got skills, that have time and time again proved to be loyal$$$

      • towninc

        i thought this Ty song was R Kelly when I first heard it, #rapsinging

        • Val

          Me too. I even changed the station the first few times. Lol. Then I found out it wasn’t RKelly and really listened to it.

  • Michelle

    In my opinion, a woman-celebrity wouldn’t be able to “bounce back”, if she had done the same things that Chris had done.
    But, I do believe if a woman-celeb would’ve attacked her husband, then there would’ve been Twitter memes, stand-up jokes and blog think-pieces that would last for at least four years. Now, if she would’ve been accused of child abuse…

    • Keke Wyatt? Didn’t she do some time for domestic violence against her husband? Does she count?

    • “But, I do believe if a woman-celeb would’ve attacked her husband, then there would’ve been Twitter memes, stand-up jokes and blog think-pieces that would last for at least four years.”

      I take it you didn’t hear about the KeKe Wyatt incident over a decade earlier. Let’s just say that there’s a reason that no one trusts her around knives…

      *Muttley snicker*

      • I JUST SAID THAT.

        • I typed my comment at the same time you did. How was I to know that we were going to say the exact same thing LOL!

          • And that’s the funny thing, even without social media back then, the jokes about Keke Wyatt DID last for years. lol

      • panamajackson

        Man…if keke wyatt did that today, she’d NEVER be able to live it down. now she’s doing gospel plays.

  • Deeds

    She’s not a singer, but Halle Berry seems to be going through some crazy ratchet ish right about now. Her two white model baby daddies fighting each other, custody disputes, a very high monthly child support payment that Halle has to pay, and she’s still getting roles. Isn’t she gonna be in a movie coming out soon, I can’t remember if I heard right. Anyway, people still love her. Although, it might have something to do with the fact that she’s been around for a very long time before her current transgressions.

    • I had to check some fools on FB when the child support payments for Halle came out. That check is nice, but those late night when Nahla is crying for mommy have to be rough. Trust me, it’s a tough way to make a living, and I’d rather have a mother around to raise this child than the potential for a check.

      • Epsilonicus

        But if that child’s mom is so crazy it could possibly be detrimental, you may reconsider having her around.

        • I agree with that. It’s just that doing it solo is no Crystal Stair.

          • panamajackson

            Real talk.

          • towninc

            Amen, but though the stairs aint crystal, at least they are stable!!!

    • Val

      Halle has been going through it since the 90s. But, her problem is she’s nutz. And people are willing to overlook craziness from beautiful women.

      • miss t-lee

        Yup.
        I’ve been saying for years that Halle is nuttier than a fruitcake.

      • Joel

        Not all of us. Lol.

        • Val

          You’re a unicorn. Lol :-)

          • Joel

            I’m not a unicorn. Just a man with some sense. Lol

  • Andrea

    When she rather have a purse

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