I got nothing.
Double standards are one of those things that exist in spades in this world. There’s males thinking they can cheat because that’s what men do, and then there are women who scream for equality chastising men who don’t want to pay for first date dinners. It’s a tangled web we weave and my guitar gently weeps for the middle ground.
What does have to do with the price of modern medicine in Tijuana? Nothing, but it does make me think about the many things that women are able to get away with that a dude could NEVER in a hundred years get away with…lest he look extra ‘spicious or at the very least like a conviction waiting to happen. I’m not sure what it is about women’s ability to do certain things that men can’t do. Maybe it’s the “intent” doctrine that states that if a man does it there is some sort of sinister malice involved or a credible threat present or he’s exacting some sort of patriarchal domination. Whereas women, on the other hand, are merely arbiters of all that is well and good with the world so there’s no malicious threat, just the threat of love and peace.
Panama, what are you talking about? Glad you asked. Wrote a song about it, like to hear it, here it go. www.ps.com, I totally didn’t write a song about it.
Here are some things women can get away with that a man could never pull off…
1. Grabbing wangs
I cannot tell you how many times in the club I’ve had a woman purposefully and intentionally grab my wang. Or even walking down the street…extremely bold women will grasp my crotch and keep on walking…LIKE THAT SH*T IS OKAY! It used to happen in high school all the time. Now, reverse that. If I were walking down the street and grabbed a woman’s crotchal region there’s a very good chance that I”d catch the wrath of Khan with a soda on the side and likely face a misdemeanor charge. Heaven forbid I get Tier III’d and end up on a sex registry. Granted, I wouldn’t ever just grab a chicks boobs or anything anyway because I do indeed value my freedom, but the point is, a woman could and guys would just laugh it off. A man does it and I’m degrading women AND chancing becoming one in jail. Hm.
2. Suggestively talking about smanging minors
I remember when Chris Brown first hit the scene. Grown ass women were out here talking about how fine he was and what they’d do to him. Or even Justin Bieber. There’s a school teacher out there somewhere RIGHT NOW mad that he ain’t in her class so she can get pregnant with his lovechild. Now, let’s just say you were out at a party and folks were talking about smanging celebs and somebody was like, “yeah, dog, Keke Palmer does it for me!” Records would scrrrrrrrrr…and folks would look at him like there was something wrong with him. Hell, I even cringed when one of those random ninjas from YMCMB – it’s Yung mula baby – said, “and in about three years holler at me Miley Cyrus”. It’s funny, but it felt skeevy. She’s engaged now by the way.
3. Hitting a man
We’ve covered this before so there’s no need to delve too deeply. But women can DEFINITELY get away with hitting a man and he’s just supposed to take it. Then again, one of the major go-to-statements if a woman is trippin’ is to yell out “Anna Mae” so I do realize that we don’t really respect domestic violence anyway. Lesson there: people suck for free, hoes do it for profit.
4. Loudcap police
I’ve seen it and despite most people’s insistence that they know better, I think women can definitely get away with way more in talking about to police. One of my boys got tossed in jail for “not shutting up” when there was also a chick present who wouldn’t shut her yap. While I’m sure most of us coloreds would know better than to talk back to police, I get the impression that a woman would feel more at ease making the decision to “get smart” than a man would. The guy knows he’s going to jail. The woman would be surprised.
Those are four different scenarios where a woman could get away with sh*t that a man couldn’t. Are there any others? And in the spirit of equal opportunity, what are some things a man can get away with that a woman can’t? I know that one’s a lot more common, but VSB is EOE like a motherf*cker. Hell our 3 interns are women. VSB is overrun by women.
Talk to me.
-VSB P aka THE ARSONIST aka MR. DON’T GRAB MY WANG aka GIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIRL HE A 3
For the DC folks: It looks like your boy PJ won a happy hour at McFadden’s for this coming Friday night from 10pm-midnight. I get to drink free for those two hours and anybody who comes and says my name at the door can get $3 of almost anything for those 2 hours. So come hang with VSB P at McFaddens at 2401 Pennsylvania Ave, NW on Friday, June 8 from 10pm to midnight. I’ll post the address tomorrow since I’m too lazy to do it now! No cover, just drunken fun.
#5 – Threaten to kill people. Women generally aren’t taken seriously since we generally might stab you, but not kill you. I’ve never don this of course *puts extra dirt over the body*
#6 – (In a free parking lot at the mall) park however the f*ck we please. (this doesn’t apply at Christmas) I don’t know who started the ‘part horizontally across vertical parking spots’ trend or the ‘angle park when the spaces aren’t angled’ thing, but I’m not trying to get my car keyed.
Your #6 is killing me. Every time I see a horizontal park I want to slap somebody’s momma. Why? And it is usually on the day that there are no other parking spots for 10 miles or your bodily functions are about to blow. They shoulda never gave some motherfuggas licences.
“or the ‘angle park when the spaces aren’t angled’ thing,”
Or when a car parks on the line to intentionally take up two parking spaces. My boyfriend will intentionally park so close to the driver’s side of the car that the driver will not be able to get in. I do it too bc it pisses me off.
Or when there is street parking and someone parks just enough from two other cars as to prevent another car from parking in front or behind them. I have a small car so if I can fit my car, I will park do close to there car they are almost touching. And sometimes I do have to tap their car to fit.
Oh I can go on and on how people’s intentionally bad parking pisses me off. If I can retaliate, I will.
What city do you live in where the parking lots at the mall aren’t free??
I live in the DC area and the parking spaces at Pentagon City are definitely not free.
Parking near shopping in cities is often not free. Growing up in NYC, we always had to pay for parking in municipal parking lots when patronizing urban shopping areas. Jamaica Ave, Flushing Ave, Queens Center Mall, Kings Plaza Mall… you had to pay to park in the mall/municipal parking lot or search for free parking on the street. As a matter of fact, that is still the parking situation in those places. Free parking lots mostly exist at the suburban malls.
If you go to Pentagon City after work hours and on the weekend and willing to walk across the street, you can park in the Petagon employee parking lot across from Macy’s and the parking garage.
Yep, or I can carry my Nords bag and receipt (that I keep in the car specifcally for thie reason) and get my parking comped
Your #5 is so true. I’ve threatened to kill a few ppl in my day. If a man does this, it’s a felony, no?
Yes…and it’s also a one way ticket into an insane asylum- or a jail cell- or both…
i’ll say this…all women aren’t parkers but if somebody is parked badly, its probably a woman.
#shotsfired
you could also replace “parkers” with “drivers”
WRONG!!!!
In my experiences, bad parker’s are male and they do it on purpose. Either bc they don’t want anyone parking next to their BMW/Mercedes/Lexus or bc they are just plain a-holes.
That’s not bad parking. That is obnoxious parking because it is done purposefully. Bad parking is bad because the person in question was trying to do it right lol!
I am not ashamed to admit that I am a horrible parker. #kanyeshrug Oh well. I’m a girl. I’m cute as a button. I bat my eyelashes and men do it for me.
Actually, there was a study conducted on who parks the best: men or women. They found that women ARE better parkers than men. On the drivers part, well, I think the insurance companies know that question because men have higher rates than women. Why? Because they partake in higher risk driving i.e. faster, more reckless. Ex: Tiger Woods. lmao. Okay, I’ll stop now. LOL
that just means we’re better at stuff and willing to take more risks bc we’re better.
O’Doyle Rules!
lmao… I love stepping into your fantasy world. It’s quite colorful.
I threaten lives… Pretty much daily.
Bodily functions! A man can fart early on in the relationship, like 3 months. Us girls? Not so much. Ive been wit my man for 2 yrs & im still not quite allowed to do it. If one DOES slip out he’ll give me the “if looks could kill” side eye & i’ll be like, “what are you? The fart police?” Smh
End the fart oppression. Sit on his head and fart and tell him to chill out.
that just doesn’t seem fair. as Shrek would say, “better out than in!”
Lol my dude used to catch me on my way to the bathroom, when I would try to sneak and do it. Then he would try to tickle or squeeze the gas out of me. Don’t ask, he’s a freakin weirdo.
I had an ex who had a problem with me burping aloud in the comfort of my own home. Yet he thought it was appropriate to snot rocket boogers into my bathroom sink. Needless to say, his disgusting A had to go.
“snot rocket boogers”
EWWWWW!!!!!
Would the “snot rockets” a.k.a. “Farmer’s Blow” (I’m from the south) been cool had he not gave you a hard time with the burps? I hate using tissue.
On the flip side, girls have the monopoly on crying. Boss yelled at you?- crying. Got in to it wit your bestie?-crying. Notebook movie?-crying lmfao. Boys/men in this society have been trained to “be a man”, “suck it up” (no homo). Guys dont have the luxury of knowing how much better a good slobbing cry can make one feel.
I always thought the opposite with crying. John Boehner cries all the d*mn time, but I WISH Nancy Pelosi woulda cried. No ma’am!
And can we pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease get T.O. to stop crying on TV?
Hahahaaaha good one! TO is faking tho. Dont nobody care bout those crocodile tears bcuz you blew thru all your millions. If anybody should be crying, it should be his 4 babymoms.
Yeah, I with you with men and crying. I had a colleague who said something completely disrespectful to me in front of other colleagues. I said calmly, ‘how about you be quiet and not say anything else to me” well his a$$ started with the tears and talmbout how he was gonna kill himself (really–effing nutter that one) and the other colleagues, all women, cooed and coddled him.
I think so too. A woman sheds a few tears, she’s emotional and fragile (“that’s how women are”). A man cries, he’s “passionate.”
Your rule applies with public figures… In REAL life its reversed. Famous men can cry, but us old regular dudes can’t… I guess we can but its weird. I personally am jealous of women because because they can cry…literally because they CAN cry. I can’t do it anymore. I’ve tried it. I don’t think I’ve cried since I was an underclassman in high school. Of course I get sad but nothing happens. I’ve even tried to MAKE myself cry before… just ended up looking stupid. So many years of suppression and now I guess I’ve lost the ability but every time I see a girl cry I’m jealous as hell. Such a deep release of emotion, $hit I need that sometimes.
@ Jay- That’s a cool new avi man. Did you photoshop it or what?
And yeah the last time I actually cried (like fa real boo hooed out of sadness) was at my grandma’s funeral, and if you tell me I don’t get a pass for that, you can go fornicate yourself with an iron rod lol. I don’t cry when I’m hurt either. My instinct is to fight back and hurt the other person more. But I do “cry” when I get extremely excited and passionate about something. I shouldn’t call it crying though, it’s just a tear or two of excitement and passion that comes down because I can feel the triumph and taste the victory. It’s more like emotional overstimulation that just can’t contain itself in me. But when I’m really sad my reaction is just to hold it in and get really quiet and subdued. I only shed tears from excitement and appreciation. Then again, I’m a weirdo…lol
Photoshop? Nah dude, I am Iron Man**cues Black Sabbath** But yeah, I’m a graphic/web designer. Its a design for my site.
Seriously? I’m a web designer as well! I knew we had something in common
And there it is. We’re practically soulmates.
You should email me though, or hit me on Twitter. I’d love to talk shop with you.
Well shoot! I’m not on Twitter. But yeah, I’d like to chat with you.
Facebook? We’re close to the point where no one is reading anymore so I guess its safe to give you my email…jpowe@blueghostdigital.com.
I hate getting pissed to the point when all I can do is cry. I try to fight it but as soon as my bottom lip caves in involuntarily, I already know IT’S ABOUT TO GO DOWN *Kevin Hart voice*. I remember one time I was just mad at the world and everything in it and I was on the phone with my comedic boyfriend and (knowing that my tears are his kryptonite) he said man stop crying I bet those faces you makin are ugly as *&^%! All I could was laugh at that point. So since then, thats kinda been my remedy for crying…looking at myself in the mirror.
Why can’t men cry? Who made these rules?!!!!!!!!
“Guys dont have the luxury of knowing how much better a good slobbing cry can make one feel.”
Except for Aubrey *shots fired*!!!
you all also can call a friend a “bestie”. i wish a ninja WOULD refer to his homeboy as his bestie.
Petey secretly has a bff, but don’t tell nobody doe lol
shhhhhhhhh ninja…what you doing trynna put my business out there/?
Rite lmfao
I’ve seen both sides of this with dudes. One guy I know right now, will cry at the drop of a hat. He is just an emotional, empathic kind of guy. I would have to qualify this tho, he won’t just break out in tears unless he’s comfortable around you. On the flip side, are the guys that cry because they are freaking angry. THOSE I stay far away from.
Guys can get away with having a “sex for sport” mentality, where as society punishes women who expresses the same thought.
Chuch! WC, take this from here…
+1 on the sport chex not being acceptable.
*long, loud, and clapping while standing ovation*
That idea is slowly going away. INOUCIT.
I couldn’t figure out how to word this appropriately.
Yes.
YAS!
I’m all for title IX.
Or pay them and treat then accordingly. Such as pornstars.
False. The societal punishment is all bark and no bite. Smoke and mirrors. Lies and tall tales. My extensive research has shown that a woman can get away with having sex for sport. And she can get a man to commit to her. She can be open about her activities. But it will probably be easier if she keeps things discreet.
The societal “punishment” is being called a hoe by some people. But thats only if you write a blog about it and comment about it all the damn time. Plus, you’re probably gonna be called a hoe at some point regardless of how you conduct yourself. No need to spend your life running from the word. Its just a word designed to limit the number of orgasms you have.
There is no other societal punishment. It’s an illusion. Doesn’t exist. Take my word for it.
” No need to spend your life running from the word. Its just a word designed to limit the number of orgasms you have.”
If more of us understood this! Plus, like you already stated, it’s how you conduct yourself. Stop posting your business everywhere, and you won’t subject your personal life to such scrutiny.
@WC
I was browsing your blog yesterday…do you write erotica? Because if you don’t you need to get to a publisher stat! While reading I found myself…slightly…*ahem*…flustered. *blushes*
I’ve found that when I try to write good for important people, the writing sucks and I never stop editing. When I’m telling a true story and I don’t care if its good, it comes out good. *shrugs*
Well you need to re-package the stories on your blog because you give Zane a run for her money. Lol
Forreal, I was a little embarrassed yesterday because I was getting kinda aroused at work, but I couldn’t turn away. Lol *hangs head*
Damn this celibacy!
Good point.
Eh…. I’mma have to disagree with you on this one.
The whole premise of the show “Tough Love” on VH1 proves this not to be the case.
Also… how girls are raised and taught about sex vs. how boys are raised and taught about sex. Way more guilt, shame, and self-denial in the way girls are taught.
There is a definite premium put on a woman’s chastity that simply does not exist for men.
ANNNNNNNNNNND this wraps it up.
(pun????)
Borrowing money and not paying you back. Lets just say there are some “”begging a$$ Felicia’s” on this planet.
Now we’re talking about small bills. Like a ten or twenty spot. Dude borrows money from another dude or a woman, he’s on a time limit. Once that limit elapses, you best have an explanation or something boss.
Woman borrows that same amount from a man….. time passes…months even…. and you’re like “dag i wish i could get a chicken dinner right about now, CHICK wheres that 10 you owe me?”
Boyyyy she’ll call you all types of “trifling”….. post status updates about random ninja’s being cheap…. then finally relinquish your funds with the biggest “i’m glad i didn’t give his broke a$$ the coochie” screwface this side of Lojo!
Jesus save me from your ghetto children!
“Borrowing money and not paying you back. Lets just say there are some “â€begging a$$ Felicia’s†on this planet.”
Lol. You must have never watched Judge Judy. Seems like just as many men borrow money from women as women from men.
Half them women be buying love, they only go to Judge judy cuz they know she dont play that broke ninja stuff, Judge Mathis will laugh at her and Ye shrug
“Woman borrows that same amount from a man….. time passes…months even…. and you’re like “dag i wish i could get a chicken dinner right about now, CHICK wheres that 10 you owe me?—
…And oddly enough, it’s not reall small money either. We’re talking car notes and light bills!
It’s real in deez skreets, LMAO!!!
that is true. i don’t think women believe in loans. its amazing some of them pay their car notes. lol.
Well besides the obvious sleep with fifty-leven chicks and be a hero, they get to wear comfortable shoes in clubs. Or live in apartments that are closer to nasty than clean and women are just supposed to overlook that mess, but let a dude come to your house and you got a sink full of dishes and you probably won’t be carrying any of his kids.
But I’ve noticed that women can get away with being the unemployed person in the relationship longer than any man so.. It is what is what it is I guess.
“…they get to wear comfortable shoes in clubs.”
LOL
here’s my question about the comfortable shoes in the club…seems to me that most of y’all rock uncomfortable shoes to look cute not b/c you have no choice. so i dont know that you get any sympathy there. while a dude will definitely notice a mean shoe game (i suppose), we likely don’t give a f*ck about your shoes unless they look f*cked up. why? b/c we’re too busy gawking at the Yeezy’s that one dude has on in the club.
and that’s assuming you aint at a grown and sexxy club where nobody gives a f*ck period.
“here’s my question about the comfortable shoes in the club…seems to me that most of y’all rock uncomfortable shoes to look cute not b/c you have no choice. so i dont know that you get any sympathy there. ”
Negative. Some clubs require women to wear heels and overall uncomfortable shoes in order to enter the place.
Reminds me of the time some bouncers wouldn’t let me in a club until I changed into some heels, that jackass *smh*. This is why I frequent bars & lounges.
y’all need to go to better clubs.
“I’ve noticed that women can get away with being the unemployed person in the relationship longer than any man”
Yeah, and what is that about? One of my male friends was laid off, lived on unemployment for a while, then depleted his savings. All the while, his girl was giving him grief over not having a job and he was really trying to get something, and I was trying to help him too. He finally did get a job, not one that he’d normally have taken, but he needed a paycheck. By the time he got a job, she had verbally degraded him so badly about ‘not being a man’ that he was already in a deep depression.
Wow. That’s terrible. She sounds like a piece of work.
Who are these women who walk around grabbing peens, slapping ninjas & loud clasping police? Sh*t like that’ll get you laid flat on the ground where I’m from. Must be a different breed of women out here in the world nowadays.
Oops, should be “loud capping.” Damn vodka got me typing like sh*t *smh*.
THANK YOU! I’ve never grabbed a peen that belonged to a man I̶ ̶d̶i̶d̶n̶’̶t̶ ̶k̶n̶o̶w̶.̶ ̶I̶f̶ ̶i̶t̶ ̶h̶a̶p̶p̶e̶n̶e̶d̶ ̶w̶e̶ ̶h̶a̶d̶ ̶a̶ ̶m̶u̶t̶u̶a̶l̶ ̶u̶n̶d̶e̶r̶s̶t̶a̶n̶d̶i̶n̶g̶.̶ ̶N̶o̶t̶ ̶s̶a̶y̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶i̶t̶ ̶h̶a̶s̶,̶ ̶j̶u̶s̶t̶ ̶s̶a̶y̶i̶n̶g̶ ̶’̶i̶f̶’̶. I will never hit a man. The police and I don’t mix.
Actually women do grab on guys a lot. I’ve had a woman grab my arse while i was dancing with my woman. I didn’t care, she did though.
I’ve had random woman grab my junk multiple times. Once, at a party, i went in to hug a woman i knew and instead she put my ish in a vice grip! Then demanded to know why “i’m bullsh*tin”. I was like “girl i can’t do nothin for you if you break it” LOL. As soon as she released me, i fled the scene.
So, in summation: Yes Women can be very aggressive at times. And most guys don’t care. Unless it’s painful lol
Well then its not a double standard if you don’t care lol.
Nah it’s still a double standard, we just don’t trip about double standards like y’all. For instance a woman can experiment with bein bi-sexual but a man can’t. U won’t hear me or any of the ninjas I know complaining lol
bingo.
+1, or if you “respond” with anything other than the face :0.
Okay so I grabbed a peen in a crowded club a couple weeks ago because I singled out the peen owner to be the one (in the crowded club) that palmed my a$$. And I gave him the stare of death and walked off.
The odd part is that he let me grab it. (In a crowded club) that hang could have belonged to anybody.
I DO THAT TOO!!! lol! I will straight up grab a dude and give him a piece of his medicine. But I have noticed they dont seem to mind that much. Surprised? Yes Upset? Nah
that’s some crazy sh*t….. I have got to meet PJack and I won’t even molest him.
lol. my life is fun. when its not dramatic.
I would never grab your junk. Id mush your face with my boobs.
WC’s a winner. What ninja doesn’t appreciate a ride on a motorboat? lol
*Lmao* I’d love to see that.
Redbone chicks…ask me how I know…
hmm…i wonder if there’s truth there b/c with you saying it it makes sense.
What you tryin’ to say, Panama?!
@ PA- What about em?
Two words: Chemical Imbalance, LMAO!!!
Didn’t I send you to your corner earlier?!?!?
Damn man, again?!
lol, u might be right
For real, naturalista. I’m wondering who these ratchets are.
Teehee at rachets
*ratchets
My favorite word! hehe
Exactly. I know Panama’s experience is truth, but I still wondered wheredeydodatat? ‘Cause ain’t no way that would be cool.
A man can have the same exact job as a woman and get away with being paid more.
Right?! That’s why women need top negotiating skills. Whatever is offered should be increased by 20% for a woman’s compensation.
At least 20% but with some jobs I’d say ask for 25% or higher to make sure you’re even or close to the men in that job.
I know that’s true, but women won’t speak up till like 5 years later when their male colleagues start talking money. Speak up BEFOREHAND, and things will be much more even. Of course, there’s the whole division of housework thing than encourages men to go in on the paycheck (’cause you know homeboy hasn’t done a dish since the Clinton Administration), but that’s another story.
Right. We only have pay inequality cause women don’t speak up. How about you not talk about things you don’t know sh*t about.
A lot of that pay inequality is nonsense. They use median income. Why don’t they ever compare hourly wages for the same job?????? There is some pay inequality, probably for women who suffered real job discrimination in the past and are still in the work force. Undoubtedly, their career earnings were negatively affected. But young people today? Young black people in particular? The men should be complaining more than the women….lol
They do compare hourly wages for the same job. Smfh
smh right back at you….lol. Just read the foreword here by the U.S. DEPARTMENT OF LABOR: http://www.consad.com/content/reports/Gender%20Wage%20Gap%20Final%20Report.pdf
Bazinga! Or should I say checkmate lol
So this study says that by 2007 the wage gap between men and women shrunk to approx 21.5%. The adjusted wage gap for “differences in the attributes of men and women” is between 4.8 and 7.1%. More research is needed to account for this significant, albeit lower, wage gap. The conclusions that I draw from this is that A WAGE GAP STILL EXISTS.
Also, I think that C.E. James should have stopped with “additional research in this area is clearly needed”. I think it’s irresponsible of him to suggest that “differences in raw wage MAY be almost entirely the result of individual choices being made by both male and female workers”. The current body of literature does not support this claim. If it did, surely he would have omitted the MAY from that thought, as it would only serve to make this report stronger. Last I checked this wasn’t supposed to be a U.S. Department of Labor opinion piece.
The current body of literature is mostly feminist dogma or based on it. I don’t deny there may be a wage gap for men or for women depending on the circumstances (for young black people, men are the ones suffering the most). I’m just tired of hearing the same tired line about women making 80 cents on the dollar. It doesn’t reflect the reality of what’s going on. Here’s an example: When I was teaching in Md, I had a female colleague who had the same title as me, but she made about 80% of what I made. Discrimination, right? You might think so if you just looked at the salary. What happens when I tell you I had two graduate degrees and she had none? What happens when I tell you I taught 6 classes to her 4? What happens when I tell you I had 5 years experience to her 3? Is it still discrimination? When you start to take these sort of things into account, most of the wage gap disappears. Not entirely, but mostly. The foreword does a good job of acknowledging this.
Oh you mean a report made by the BUSH administration… same administration trying to take away ALL of our rights? GTFOH
And this is why having a logical debate is impossible….lol Why don’t you specify what you take exception with in the foreword of the report? Why not put forth a counter argument? Do you believe that every business could slash their payroll by 20% by simply hiring all women? Is it just that simple? Do you believe that factors like the number of hours worked, education, inherent danger of the job, field of employment, etc. have no effect on how much money you make? VSB is looking more like Clutch every day.
The Bush administration also wrote a report about weapons of mass destruction, torture memos, the fact that abstinence education works (?)… at this point I have to seriously question your intelligence if you think they have any validity.
Exactly: a sliding rule is used/you have no idea or you will be advised of various reasons why the position won’t be filled at that level (you won’t be selected).
I do think that some of the wage disparity occurs because women do not negotiate the same as men. Women tend to accept what is given while men tend to see how much they can get. Of course this has to do with how we are socialized. Women told to play nice / men more competitive. *adds a not all women/men*
Studies have shown women who do aggressively negotiate for better working conditions or pay are not seen as favorably as male counterparts… so it’s not just that we don’t ask. That even if we do start the convo, it is held against us for even thinking to step out of line and expect more.
That’s because in most cases, men end up usually doing more work, usually hard labor, which is what women can’t seem to grasp for some reason. We may have the same job title, but the company makes me do more work, hence, I get paid more.
For example. Let’s say we both work at Walmart. We’re both Sales Associates. However, when new supply comes in, I’m called on to move the heavy boxes. Something that’s NOT in my job description. Why do I get called on to do extra sh*t? Because I’m supposed to be a “big, strong man”. Essentially what happens is, because of my gender, I end up having to do extraneous work. Sh*t I shouldn’t have to do while you (women) usually just do your job as is. Most companies realise this and pay us (men) a little extra to keep us happy because we’re basically putting in overtime.
What’s overtime? Doing more work than asked of you for extra pay. A lot of men get asked to do more than what is required of us (overtime), thus, why we get paid slightly more.
Mmmmmmmm, maybe. But i think theyre refering more high-up jobs in the coporate world where physicality is not a factor. Shoot, when i was 16 my 1st job was a floor associate @ office max. I used to have to bring the office furniture out peoples cars wit a dolly and errthang. Made it no decision to enter into the fast life a coupe years later lmao.
I’m referring to more industrial, middle-class jobs in my response. I’m not quite sure how things work in a corporate setting. But I can speak on middle and lower class jobs. Besides, let’s not pretend that female dancers, strippers, pr0n stars, escorts, and other entertainment-esque field don’t get WAY more than their male counterparts for literally doing the EXACT same thing. But women never mention that. They like to tell one side of the story. Either because they don’t consider the jobs I mentioned “prestigious” enough, or they simply don’t want to mention it.
Usually, when men get paid more, there are hidden factors involved that women don’t know about. It’s not so black and white as, I man, you woman. Me make more money! Like the Walmart example I mentioned. And that was a simple case. Details become more intricate with higher tiered jobs.
“Besides, let’s not pretend that female dancers, strippers, pr0n stars, escorts, and other entertainment-esque field don’t get WAY more than their male counterparts for literally doing the EXACT same thing.”
But these are customer based businesses where the customer decides how much they want to spend…this is not comparable to a company that decides to give a man more money than a woman where both hold the same position.
Actually not really. As most companies who deal with these type of jobs give their employees a base pay. Take pr0n for instance. Men usually make about $500-$1000 a scene. Add an extra thousand to that if they’re popular. Women? about $3000-$5000. If she’s popular chick, she’s making $10,000 per scene, literally FIVE TO TEN TIMES the amount her male counterpart is making. And that’s not including the extra amount she gets added on to that if it’s an anal/creampie/threesome/etc scene. And they’re both having sex. And before you say “well anal and all that stuff is extra work.” It’s not. All of that is apart of sex. Which is her job description. To have sex.
“Men usually make about $500-$1000 a scene. Add an extra thousand to that if they’re popular. Women? about $3000-$5000″
But this is due to supply and demand….more people are checking for female porn stars than male, therefore the customers spend more money to watch certain female porn stars and that is why they make more. This scenario is not comparable to a manager who decides to pay a man more that a woman off top.
Wait what?? I’ve never seen a porno where the man and woman did the exact same thing. Male strippers get paid to have women play with their junk. male porn stars get paid to have their richards worshipped/satisfied. Male escorts get paid to get laid. I think in those instances its kinda justifiable for a woman to get paid more.
” Male escorts get paid to get laid. I think in those instances its kinda justifiable for a woman to get paid more.”
WTF! Are u serious? Why? It’s the same job…
I’ll just stick with the male pr0n star thing. Women get paid more because they’re getting paid for ALL of them. Their personality, how they look (particularly an eye catching physical feature like Pinky’s ass or Kakey’s tongue), and their techniques all factor into whether or not they blow up. Men on the other hand are really just interchangeable d!cks in pr0n most of the time. There are exceptions with dudes like James Deen who do “ladies pr0n” where he always makes sure his partner orgasms and gives head.
The long and short of it is that people pay far more to follow women starlets than men.
Ehh, I don’t buy that. Women in porn are just as interchangeable. I’ll watch amateurs just as quickly as the starlets. There’s always a badder and freakier chick out there….Plus why would I watch the same porn starlet over and over? That’s too much like monogamy and sh*t smh
Agreed. A man doesn’t even have to be handsome to be in pron. However, the scale of pay reverses for guys who do g.ay pron.
It was briefly mentioned by someone else, but in jobs like Wal-Mart or jobs where you’re getting an hourly pay, there is actually much less wage discrimination. And if you really feel like you’re doing more, then you should be getting paid more. The wage gap is typically used to refer to salaried jobs where no one is doing more manual labor than anyone else, like law firms or accounting firms. And there are countless stories of women who work harder to prove themselves only to find out they are getting paid less. And this whole “one side of the story” thing is backed up in cold, hard, statistics repeatedly, so I don’t think its fair to act as if women are just griping about some imagined injustice.
EXACTLY.
And this whole “one side of the story†thing is backed up in cold, hard, statistics repeatedly, so I don’t think its fair to act as if women are just griping about some imagined injustice.
THANK YOU!…..some people are no seeming to understand this.
“Besides, let’s not pretend that female dancers, strippers, pr0n stars, escorts, and other entertainment-esque field don’t get WAY more than their male counterparts for literally doing the EXACT same thing.”
The OBVIOUS irony that an (often) sexually-degrading work field is being used as an example where women get paid more, tho…
(._.)
Right. Even though we’re doing the exact same thing, because you’re a woman, you’re OBVIOUSLY being degraded more. Got it.
lmao! TUK u just won’t let up will u? I mean, you’re right about this issue, but d*mn. Let em have one! lol
No actually he is not
“Right. Even though we’re doing the exact same thing, because you’re a woman, you’re OBVIOUSLY being degraded more. Got it.”
Right… because I said that. Instead of what I actually said. Yeah. Got it, too.
Oh I understood what you said, my point was that supposed sexual degradation is irrelevent. We’re talking about being paid based on your performance, not your emotions.
Except all that performance is based on the woman. Go to any pr0n site and pretty much all the categories are based on what the women are doing. People go look under “Asian” to see Asian women, not men. People look under “BBW” to see big women, not men. And so and so forth. Additionally, like any entertainment industry it’s based on star appeal. Unless you’re watching gay or amateur, you’re going to search for the stars in the video based on the women in it not the mean 90% of the time.
Ah, I see. So what you’re saying is that it’s okay for a law firm or whatever to pay it’s male employees (stars) more because their clients (consumers) tend to want and feel more comfortable with male lawyers, advisors and such? So they deserve to get paid more because of “star power”? What about other jobs where a company prefers a male to hold a certain position and thus pays him more than his female counterparts because they consider him more important, you know, kinda like a star. That okay too?
If you think it’s irrelevant, then you didn’t understand it.
My point was making a larger point. The fact that this is the ONE example noted that women get paid more as if that appeases the fact that it’s a sexually degrading field (which includes men AND women since obviously I have to point that out for some reason…) speaks volumes.
And save me the “emotions” swipe. If anything, whining about women trying to fight for equal pay is emotional. And unnecessarily so. First world problems like a mug…
Ah, I see what the problem is. You seriously think that pr0n and such fields is the ONE (and by effect, the only) instance where women make more than men, which is why you consider the degradation aspect relevant. Aight so, Ima need you to holla at my n*gga Google before this convo continues.
*facepalm*
I’mma need you to read my posts before I go to Google because I clearly said “noted.” ONE. EXAMPLE. NOTED. In fact, I almost PUT IT IN CAPS so this (what you just did) wouldn’t happen. Guess I should’ve done that. But, I be tryna give ninjas the benefit of the doubt. I really WAS in utopia, huh?
Welp.
“But i think theyre refering more high-up jobs in the coporate world where physicality is not a factor.”
Right. Everyone at low level paying jobs typically get paid the same so I assumed Val meant men and women who do the exact same job minus the physical aspect. Before men made more because they were the only ones supporting the household but since this doesn’t really apply anymore we should definitely have the equal pay.
WRONG. you can STFU, too.
I’m wrong even though I presented a real world example that happens pretty often. I can name more, if you want. Prove me wrong then.
If a person is putting in more hours at an hourly job, he, or she should be compensated. That’s actual overtime, not imaginary cause you feel like you’re working harder. It’s fair to give someone a raise for performing better, but to say ALL men work longer hours or perform better in jobs is just plain false.
Besides, men get offered a higher wage from the beginning. They are not being offered that for future overtime and performance. It’s plain discrimination.
I never said all men. As I stated that my response didn’t include more corporate settings. Also believe I also stated that for the jobs I were talking about, this is what usually happens (meaning, men don’t ALWAYS perform better). So, yea…
Mmmmmmmm, maybe. But i think theyre refering more high-up jobs in the coporate world where physicality is not a factor. Shoot, when i was 16 my 1st job was a floor associate @ office max. I used to have to bring the office furniture out peoples cars wit a dolly and errthang. Made it no decision to enter into the fast life a couple years later lmao.
“For example. Let’s say we both work at Walmart. We’re both Sales Associates. However, when new supply comes in, I’m called on to move the heavy boxes. Something that’s NOT in my job description. Why do I get called on to do extra sh*t? Because I’m supposed to be a “big, strong manâ€. Essentially what happens is, because of my gender, I end up having to do extraneous work. Sh*t I shouldn’t have to do while you (women) usually just do your job as is. Most companies realise this and pay us (men) a little extra to keep us happy because we’re basically putting in overtime.”
Yeah, no. I have a REAL world experience example. Records department at my plantation. MOSTLY men. Our department puts all of our paper files in boxes and sends ‘em to storage. Who ends up coming down to mostly lift them? Two women. One of which had just returned from maternity leave.
This happens more often than you think.
Right. Because your real world experience trumps mine, as well as other males, as well as statistics that imply this.
-___________-
Um…. yeah “let’s say” (as in a hypothetical situation) USUALLY holds more credence than a real experience? I see! Where do I get this ticket to utopia?
Apparently you already live there. Know why I chose that specific example? Because it was a real world experience. Like yours. However, situations like MINE statistically happen more than situations like YOURS. Hence why it is “usually” the case. See how that works?
AHHHH, I see. Apparently reading what you actually said (“Let’s say” presupposes a hypothetical situation so it’s not outlandish to see it that way) ain’t what’s hot in these streets. *looks at other discussions today* Obviously.”
And these magical statistics would be…? Which btw, you’d have to include ALL fields of work. Not just one.
So we’re focusing on semantics? Alright. Read these articles. Like I said, it’s not so black and white as “Me man, you woman,” like women erroneously make it out to be. There are a myriad of other factors. And as I said above, pr0n stars and strippers, ain’t the “the ONE” (which presupposes that it’s the only case, see, I can do semantics too) instance where women make more than men. As I said, Google’s your friend:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704415104576250672504707048.html
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505125_162-28246928/the-gender-pay-gap-is-a-complete-myth/
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-505125_162-57408366/why-do-women-execs-earn-less-than-men/
“”So we’re focusing on semantics?”
Nawl, homie you good. I was just going by the old adage that men say what they mean where women make you read between the lines. Funny how stereotypes are sometimes not the case, huh.
Kinda like the “men always have to lift heavy boxes and women don’t” thing.
And I love how the men are more out of work because they mostly work in more dangerous jobs conveniently negates the fact that men are also more likely to be at the top of “non-dangerous” jobs. Those jobs aren’t obsolete because women have more work, they’re obsolete beacuse computer-based jobs are running ish. A field in which the average ninja in a high position is…a white male (in fact numbers are DOWN for women… http://www.forbes.com/sites/meghancasserly/2012/05/14/women-in-tech-are-losing-from-top-to-bottom/). So, there’s that. But, in addition to being “tougher”, men are also “smarter with computers”, I guess. D’ah well…
But…I did say what I meant, you’re the one who decided to focus on the wrong part. That’s a “you” problem, not a “me” problem.
Secondly, can you point me to the part where I said men “ALWAYS” have to lift heavy boxes and women don’t. Couldn’t sworn I said “usually” which is more synonymous with “most likely” then “always”. Which is backed up by the statistics I posted. Men “usually” do (more) hard labor, and work longer hours, which is part of the reason we get paid more as a whole.
Thirdly, men most likely having the most dangerous jobs as well as the least dangerous jobs don’t negate each other. At all. All it that says is that men are varied with their career choices. How that seems contradictory to you, I’ll never know. What? Did you assume that, based on stats, because men topped the “most dangerous jobs” list that women would top the “least dangerous” list? It’s statistical assumptions like that which lead females to believe that them making less is purely gender discrimination.
“Which is backed up by the statistics I posted. Men “usually†do (more) hard labor, and work longer hours, which is part of the reason we get paid more as a whole.”
Maybe I wasn’t clear. The statistics I was looking for was to prove that men literally have to do more work when women are also in the same position. Not that they “tend” to take hard labor jobs, which the only thing that statistic “proved.” And the reasons behind it? Never take into consideration the sociological reasons that go into it which doesn’t make it quite valid. And if you don’t think sociological come into play in instances, then I hope you have NEVER played the race card. Ever. Even though you’d be totally entitled to. But a lot of your arguments are seriously sounding like what white folks tell black men who need to “just do better.”
“Thirdly, men most likely having the most dangerous jobs as well as the least dangerous jobs don’t negate each other. At all. All it that says is that men are varied with their career choices. How that seems contradictory to you, I’ll never know. ”
No. I’m saying those things don’t add ANY credence to your argument that because men take more dangerous jobs (which is the hardest hit industry) means that women have an advantage. Because men are ALSO the head of the job industry that ARE the reason why these more dangerous jobs are obsolete. Can’t make it any clearer than that.
So yeah, you can keep this…
“It’s statistical assumptions like that which lead females to believe that them making less is purely gender discrimination.”
… doesn’t apply here.
Don’t let “emotions” get in the way next time, tho.
“A man can have the same exact job as a woman and get away with being paid more”
Very true. And that’s f-ed up on so many level. Not sure what to do about it except for all of us to keep reporting it when ever we see it.
This is a byproduct of dating. When women are spending as much as a man in the dating arena, then pay equity will happen.
Because I go to work merely to afford a social life. And men also go to work to afford a social life right? Oh, thanks for clearing that one up.
actually…as ridiculous as this sounds…roll with me on this. he may have a funny point.
let’s say that i go to work at BigWhig Law Firm. I get an associate job and they want me on that fast track career path. well i need to get married right so i can be one of them play the part ninjas. its justified paying me more b/c i got to go out and win and dine numerous women to find the one to take half my money when i get divorced to her 10 years from now! so in the long run, we get paid more to have enough money to date and live…THEN you all take our money anyway. seems like y’all winning all around.
lol.
Has anyone considered that men negotiate salary better than women. There is truth to the idea that a man realizes he will probably be the bread winner of his family and probably negotiates for a higher salary. Many of my female friends accept the first offer. Think about how accepting 5k less on your first job effects you after numerous raises that are based on percentages of your base salary.
“Has anyone considered that men negotiate salary better than women. ”
@AndrewJLucas: KEMA said that already upthread…but no one paid attention.
“i got to go out and win and dine numerous women to find the one to take half my money when i get divorced to her 10 years from now!”
It’s called a prenup Panama. smdh… also, all the per-martial sex should be enough compensation for your poor choice.
did you just say that sex is compensation?
so we gonna run with the ho line of thinking here????
I know, right! SMH…
Perhaps ‘compensation’ was a poor choice of words? lmao….
I am AMAZED at some of the f*cksh*t you morons are coming up with to defend pay inequality. Dating? GTFOHWTBS. Women have to pay rent and eat just like you. Plus we have to feed the babies yall leave behind. A few dollars you spend on a date (lets pretend you aren’t CONSTANTLY whining about, trying to figure out how to get her to pay) is nothing.
“Women have to pay rent and eat just like you. Plus we have to feed the babies yall leave behind.”
Exactly.
“I am AMAZED at some of the f*cksh*t you morons are coming up with to defend pay inequality. Dating? GTFOHWTBS. Women have to pay rent and eat just like you. Plus we have to feed the babies yall leave behind.”
LMAO Welp!
“I am AMAZED at some of the f*cksh*t you morons are coming up with to defend pay inequality.”
RIGHT?! I was like whoa this has taken an UGLLLLLLY turn. I mean discussions about who should be getting paid more in p0rn? Seriously? LOL
OK?!! Going straight there spoke all kinds of volumes. Like… Beats By Dre studio joints volumes.
“This is a byproduct of dating. When women are spending as much as a man in the dating arena, then pay equity will happen.”
Spending what? Everyone knows women are single and alone! Come on chile!
*grin*
LOL thank you Cheekie. single and alone gal right here, ya’ll!
LMBO…Cheekie they trying you today huh? LOLOL!
Girl, there is enough Bull-ish going around to stink up an entire Chicago basketball team bathroom.
TRUTH!
That might have a lot to do with experience within a particular field, Val. I wouldn’t say it’s either a bias or a double standard.
Wrong again. How do you people not know that a butt load of studies have been done where you have a man and a woman in the same job with the same skills and experience and the man gets paid more? I think you’re on that peen logic.
Try again, missy- I’m dealing with reality.
Male bs reality =/= reality
Got anything better to do than make snide remarks? It seems like that’s all you know how to do.
She’s a woman, she’s not overwhelmed by a need to defend her point.
lmao! Yall ninjas goin in today huh? I’m ROTFL right now! This is quality entertainment lolol
Lol, to be fair, I really mean that. I’m watching Skip Bayless and Stephen A. Smith argue about the same topic for 2 hours, and I’m saying to myself only guys have that thing in them that allows them to argue for hours like that and still be homies afterwards. Most of the VSSers are doing us a favor because it’s against their nature to desire to try to make us understand anything! In the real world, a woman would just say you’re gay, and walk away like she just said some profound s**t like Socrates.
HA! So true. Even just “nope, that’s wrong because I said so” which I keep seeing on this message board. In real life I laugh and walk away but on here I keep commenting cause it’s cracking me up to watch ppl embarass themselves. It’s hilarious when things are obvious to everyone else but the culprit lol. Pure comedy I tell u
We’re too smart to have argument with idiots.
With that, peace out! <—me, being too smart to debate a moron
Lol aight.
Even though that comment was filled with cattiness, I still love the fact that you completely proved my point.
You could never win an argument against me so this is your last resort. Guess what? On top of my law degree, I have an honors degree in philosophy, which entailed much training in logic, so I haven’t even begun to unleash on you mofos. I’m bored. Gimme something to do.
Did y’all hear that? That was WC’s whip! Go girl! I’m lovin it!
Lol, once again I learn more about you went you’re purely honest without the need for snideness.
For starters, as lawyer you’re not trained to prove a point as much as you’re trained to make your opponents lose credibility and since you’re so well versed in sophistry I’m pretty certain that if we did get into an argument you’d blow me out of the water, the same way a woman who does MMA would probably beat me in a fight since I have so speciality in the matter, I couldn’t care less about that.
What you’re very skilled at, and never don’t get enough credit for is your level of self-awareness. Most women do a lot of things that enrage men to know end, but they litterally do it almost unconciously, you on the other hand know exactly what you’re doing and I must say, out of any woman I’ve met in the blogosphere, you’re the best at it. I always kind of giggle when I see how good you are at making men consumed with anger with your snide remarks and passive aggresive comments, that makes them completely lose their mind and want to come at you like they would a dude. Most of the guys think you’re a manhater, but if anything you’re a maneater – a rare breed nowadays, I was actually beginning to think they were going out of style.
All that being said, being what you are, and telling me everything that you’ve said, you made me even more confident in my original assessment about women never feeling that urge to argue. Because as intelligent and well studied as you are, you’ve never made a comprhensive argument either to men or to women that I’ve seen to make a point. If there was a male version of you on this website, he’d rule it, because he would constantly be disproving people’s faulty arguments and try to lead them to the right idea. You ain’t got that burden, your thing is to make dudes feel dumb, and then watch as they get by consumed with rage, as you laugh like Cruela Deville.
Holy sh*t get out of my head dude. There’s no rebuttal to that other than her to resort to the same tactic and try to discredit u or make a personal attack to piss u off. I mean her posts speak for themselves. She’s much more transparent than she wants to be even when she’s well known and applauded for being so honest. But when you’re honest you tell on yourself in ways you’re not even trying to. She doesn’t even piss me off. She cracks me up. Her behavior tells on her even when her mouth is slick and can make her “win the argument”. She even mentioned how great she was at arguing, but anybody that has been following my posts knows I have no interests in “arguing” anybody or dissing them. I simply ask questions when things don’t make sense to me. Most of the commenters answer my questions and refute or ask me questions about the points I make. That’s what most sane and intelligent beings do (despite the gender) but she’s a much more aggressive and competitive one so she lets her competitiveness and ego (which manifests itself as emotions) guide her posts rather than her ability to explain and clarify inconsistencies. So maybe she won the argument but she never answered my question so that said it all. Also she thoroughly entertained me in the process. We must do this again my fair feline lol.
Imma start listening to this as the intro every time I see Wild Cougar respond to a male commenters post lmao!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRYFKcMa_Ek
“That might have a lot to do with experience within a particular field, Val”
I’m noticing the EXACT same arguments are being used for equal pay that those who argue against affirmative action… something Black MEN could benefit from.
This is a argument that usually goes nowhere.
There are several kinds of companies and they all have different policies and goals in terms of their business. A non-profits main goal is to achieve what’s in the best interest of the public. A corporation’s main goal is to become bigger and to gain more control/stability in it’s industry. A start-up is more interest in actually getting more competitive in the market.
All these kinds of companies are interested in different things when it comes to employing people. If the government is funding your business, then yeh you should worry about equal pay for men and women, because the government is a stockholder in your company. However, if the government or community has no role in funding your organization, then equal pay is of no concern to you. The only thing that is of value to you is value, and if a man or a woman is valuable to your company, you will pay them according to their value or you will fail as a company, because you have mediocre talent.
+1, depends on the culture of the company…
This is plausible.
Study after study has shown women are better investors because they stay cool and don’t mad sell at the first sign of a quake.
If ‘talent’ had anything to do with anything… all these Wall Street firms would be hiring women MBAs in droves. Nah, instead they hire their frat brothers and nephews… and the economy crashes.
I’m not even gonna have an economic discussion with someone who can’t tell the difference between an investor and a broker.
Maaaaan, i thought it was just me w/a that Miley Cyrus line. I couldn’t even understand how that made it out if the studio and onto airwaves–after all, it was a white female minor in question. If I were the producer, I certainly would have been like “Nawl bruh, we have to run that back”.
All Jim Crow references aside, as a woman i have always had an issue with adult women lusting after minors, famous or not. The lack of male parts doesn’t make it any less creepy to me.
” as a woman i have always had an issue with adult women lusting after minors, famous or not. ”
And as a mother, I find it disgusting.
..And the female schoolteacher scandals of 1997-present didn’t exactly help things either.
I’ve gone on the record here numerous times regarding this situation. If any grown woman sees fit to seduce my minor son, she will pay. I will take it out of her a$$ and she will deal with the courts. I don’t play that $hit. As an educator, I think that is some repugnant $hit.
It’s repugnant, but it’s very prevalent in modern society. I blame American culture, LULZ!
“as a woman i have always had an issue with adult women lusting after minors, famous or not.”
I wait until they are 18.5.
A woman can call a(nother) woman a BITCH…..we do dat and its a warp!
That’s because ya’ll only think women can be bishes. And ya’ll think calling another man one is calling him a woman. Which is apparently insulting. Welp!
@ Mr SD- Good one! How could I forget that one. I got my on theory about the word b*tch that actually fits both genders…
@ Cheekie- But don’t yall take offense to being called a man or told you act manly?
Hmmm, yeah I thought of that. But, I’m not saying literally. Shoulda cleart that up. Yes, cleart. I’m talmbout adjectives being used as negatives in correlation to masculine/feminine. Like… men being aggressive at work? Good thing. Women being aggressive at work? Not a good thing. Passive-aggressiveness is NEVER thought of as good, tho.
@ Cheekie- I got u. Yeah gender roles inevitably produce double standards and I can see how that would be very frustrating and unfair in the workplace. I’m purposely not participating in the equal pay debate upthread.
My theory on the word b*tch though is that it relates to gender roles. It simply means that you’re portraying the negative qualities associated with the opposite sex.
A man acting overly sensitive/emotional, insecure, passive aggressive, or self-conscious is said to be actin like a b*tch.
A woman acting insensitive, overly aggressive, pessimistic, cynical, domineering, or voracious is seen as actin like a b*tch.
So honestly there’s a pattern to the word if you look deeper. So I’m not sold that the word is only sexist towards women, but it does kinda reinforce gender roles that already existed…
Interesting way to look at it, indeed.
This kind of relates to yesterday’s topic. Intragroup privilege. Black’s can say “ninja” while no one else can’t (or shouldn’t), while women can refer to their girls as their “bi*ch” or h0e. The same thing applies to homosexuals. I’ve heard gay men call each other f*g and lesbians refer to each other as d*kes/studs, but as soon as it’s uttered by a heterosexual…it’s a no go. It’s just one of those things where you have to be inclusive in the group to be able to use the terminology.