Scene from the 1997 Oscar-winning film, As Good As It Gets:
Receptionist: How do you write women so well?
Melvin Udall: I think of a man, and I take away reason and accountability.
Ouch.
It’s been posited by men and disputed by women that there is such a thing as “chick logic”. What is chick logic? I thought you’d never ask.
Chick logic (noun). The thought process that a majority of women subscribe to that entails neither rational thought, history, or common sense. See also non-sense
I think the best way to explain chick logic is with an example of chick logic.
Many moons ago, an ex-girlfriend and I got into an argument. I have no clue what the argument was about. Well, the argument occurred while we were laying in bed and on our way to sleep. So chicky, in her pissedoffedness, turns her back to me and feigns going to sleep. Perhaps this was supposed to be a sign of “you suck” or some such foolishness. So what did Panama do?
Panama, recognizing that his girlfriend is pissed and has determined that the conversation was over due to her rollverance, decides to do what any normal man would do: I rolled over on my side and tried to go to sleep.
And then I felt a tap on my shoulder. I rolled over to an even more angered face to which I responded, “what?”
“Why did you turn your back to me?!!!?!?!!?!”
“Um, you turned your back on me. What was I supposed to do, continue to stare at your back and wait for you to turn BACK over to finish the conversation you so democratically decided to end?”
“You were NOT supposed to turn your back on me. I can’t believe you did that!”
“You can’t be serious. So let me get this right. You turn your back on me because you’re pissed and end the convo. I do the EXACT same shit, except I’m going to sleep because you decided that you’re not speaking to me anymore and I’m in even MORE trouble?”
“Yes you selfish bastard. Who do you think you are turning your back on me while we’re having an argument?”
At this point I’m totally f*cking bewildered. Common sense be damned. Somehow in her mind of minds, her turning her back to me made complete sense as it demonstrated her disdain for my side of the argument.
But the minute that I do the same (for a much better reason, mind you – she’s no longer paying me any mind) I’m at fault and have committed a crime on par with the amount of f*ckery committed by the Rampart Division of the LAPD in the 90s (look it up, scholar). This entire episode was the epitome of chick logic. Non-sensical in method, thought, and deed.
The basic tenet of chick logic supposes that women’s actions are warranted and make sense at all times while men are just jackasses who refuse to acknowledge the superior thought process of the woman.
Simply, chick logic is what happens when you place a square peg in a round hole and refuse to accept that it just doesn’t fit. Oh yeah, and you keep trying until it does fit because through sheer force and insanity, you’ve created a hole big enough to fit Oprah Winfrey during the fat years. And men just stop fighting because ultimately, we stop caring.
It’s a vicious cycle. It’s when you eat because your fat, but you’re fat because you can’t stop eating.
No, that doesn’t make any sense in the context of this post.
But yes, I think that covers it.
See? Chick.Logic.
P.S. I defy any woman to explain to me why my ex’s actions made sense!
-PANAMA JACKSON AKA VSB P
Hey, Listen buddy! It’s called vagina logic. Thank you very much
True Wisdom.
Thanks for filling him in on the proper name.
chick logic, trick logic, bi*** logic, who cares what you call it, at the end of the day its a cluster fuck of non sensical confused emotions and blonde moments. start early, hate me now.
eh, it’s not about shock value in a name. As for cluster fuck of nonsensical confused things, well the same adjectives can be applied to nanotechnology. Does it mean that the shit won’t revolutionalize our future. My point being, just because you don’t understand how something works, doesn’t necessarily take away from it’s value, purpose, or intent
By definition, I think it does. If it inherently doesn’t make sense, it’s purpose is devalued until it makes sense. Kind of like gas prices…its why folks are buying bikes and Priuses. In a normal year, NOBODY would intentionally buy a Prius.
See, non-sense.
yes. there is order in chaos but genius is simplyfying the complex. there is no genius in chick logic just confusion. are u comparing chick logic to nanotechnology and saying that IF a man doesn’t understand nanotechnology or chick logic that it doesn’t necessarily take away from it’s value etc??? i wonder who figured out or created nanotechnology. hmmmmm.
” Does it mean that the shit won’t revolutionalize our future.”
the only thing i can imagine that chick logic (as defined in my posts) will revolutionize is renewable, sustainable, sources clust fuckery. quote me, spell my name right.
I just like to bring up nanotech any way I can, I am a raging geek like that…but I was saying that if you apply the same “male logic” to every single thing, and come up with the notion that “if it dont make sense to me, it’s wrong, invalid, a mess” then umm, you completely miss shit that makes sense to the people who possess it, manipulate it, and find valuable uses for it.. so yes, chick logic and nanotechnology, saving the world.
My most hated line of chick logic (i am a chick by the way) saying you like something and you really don’t. Why do that, why tell your friend that her dress is really nice and you hate it. Why tell someone that you love their hair but you hate it. That is crazy!
And yes, what your ex did was crazy..lol. That reminds me more of PMS logic, arguments are not suppose to make sense, too many hormones, it makes your crazy.
amen
And so the male perspective would be: “dick’s logic”???
Most women at least a chick’s chick doesn’t like to go to bed angry. She was just pondering her “pissedoffedness” this was the cooling down period, she only needed a few more minutes of gentle cajooling…and all would be on its way to resolution and great makeup sex.
I think I would be a little annoyed too. Who wants to go to bed angry and WAKE UP that way too, oh that would be Dick’s logic.
thank you comeback girl. if only these boys would learn to co-mmu-ni-cate…they could have great sex with their lady every night instead of sleeping beside an angry woman. see, it’s a win-win situation. can’t we all just get along?
“it’s a win-win situation”
too much “chick” stuff you talking!!!…i totalluy agree
So true. Men could easily get what they want if they learned to communicate.
well you win. i guess you got what you wanted?
“Who wants to go to bed angry and WAKE UP that way too, oh that would be Dick’s logic.”
see, thats the thing. we wouldn’t still be angry when we woke up. shit, most of the time, whatever anger there was had subsided as soon as we closed our eyelids. in the morning, we could give two shits about the argument last night…all we’re thinking about is morning wood
I don’t believe that is the case ALL the time. I think men fake the funk better…I think sometimes things bother men (sometimes MORE) than women.
We want to talk about it and fix it…yall make beef stew and then do subtle sniper attacks 4 months later.
Maybe we should agree that men and women communicate differently its not better, its not worse, its different.
dam the last few sentences started to make sense. a wee bit. did you take wellbutrin, zanex or something? here’s where you’re twisted: IF you want to be understood (which i guess is your motivation for communicatin in this relationship argument situationP-Jack escribed) then it would be wise to cut straight to it being honest instead of expecting someone to read your mind. the later only gives you false expectations and a bullshit sense of entitlement. hello. goodbye.
“dam the last few sentences started to make sense. a wee bit. did you take wellbutrin, zanex or something? ” nope just my regular drip misto, 108 degrees, grande komono Starbucks dragon.
Um, I have seen a man go to bed irritated and wake up irritated. It does happen Champ.
If the kind of behavior that you described is employed by most of the men in your life and/or people around you then MAYBE you have a point. …now that’s Dick Logic. pointing out that there an exception to the rule is being “Captain Obvious” and exemplifying “Chix Logic”
I’m not pointing out a single exception…I’ve seen this happen with every man I’ve ever dated.
well im not saying that no man has ever done or said some bitch ass shit or emplyed chick logic but i am saying that “Chick Logic” is mostly attributed to women and that the phrase was inspired by a generality that is germane to women.
e.g.
women are influenced by emotions more than men. (fuck why, how etc. thats beside the point. another subject for another day)
thats a generalization that i believe.
does that mean that men are not influenced by emotions?
A: NO.
it means that being influenced by emotion is a charachteristic that is more attributable/applicable to women.
white people like to get tans. i might notice this proclivity and name it Tannabe’s.
another generalization that worx. (least for me)
does that mean black people can’t get tans or don’t like to get tans?
A: NO
car mechanics are grease monkeys
does that mean other groups (like aircraft mechanics or meat beaters) are not?
A: NO.
so’s if you can point out exceptions to Chick Logic doesn’t mean that the phrases crowning wasn’t inspired by and first attributed to women beacause they more often than men display this kind of thinking. it just makes you Captain Obvious.
yeh i don’t think this is the case all the time either. i once dated a guy who suffered from premature ejaculation- no seriously, the minute he entered-splash. so, i told him that there were other ways to yanno ‘satisfy me’. so one night ended quicker then he hoped and so i whispered a series of sweet nothings into his ear so that he could relax, get over it and realize that i was willing to do some other stuff… and then he got angry. apparently i had trivialized the issue, so he turned his back on me. next morning, still angry. a week later still angry. and then i was put on some kind of penis punishment. my ‘sniper attack’ from him came 3 months later when he broke up with me claiming that what i really wanted in life was a “penis that worked”. admit it, some things men CAN’T let go.
“admit it, some things men CAN’T let go.”
yeah…sexual dysfunction is a touchy subject, but im actually mad ol boy put you on penis punishment. btw, “penis punishment” definitely sounds like either a gay porn title, or what happens when men look at courtney love
““penis punishment”
there’s another teeshirt idea. lol
“penis punishment” definitely sounds like either a gay porn title, or what happens when men look at courtney love”— you’re hilarious Champ!
Comeback; Who wants to go to bed angry and WAKE UP that way too, oh that would be Dick’s logic.
thats where you’re wrong. dicks logic is; get over it, stop caring (about the argument for now) get some sleep.
When a guy acts like that its still called chick logic
“When a guy acts like that its still called chick logic”
i agree
And if women want to communicate, turning away and saying nothing is the prefect way to do it. Because saying “I am upset” is too vague.
You are just trying to defend chick logic, and you cannot.
wow…write a book so I can buy it and give it to all crazy women i know.
So the only minute chance guys have of winning an argument against a girl is to go against our nature and abandon all logic…?
“wow…write a book so I can buy it and give it to all crazy women i know.”
pending
its not about winning the argument as much as it is about understanding and being understood. (i mean if you’re negotiating in good faith; i assume you are if you like the person) aint nothing like a good understanding. understand me? i mean, do you like the way i talk?
That’s how I feel but not everyone feels that way. The last guy that I dated only cared about being right so we argued all of the time. Between the two of us, I could compromise and let things go but he would stay mad for days. He was like that with his fam/friends too and just had an attitude that as long as he was right, that’s all that mattered. That’s the last time I date an engineer…
out of the men you have dated or have had friends and family members date is this the majority male friend behavior. (there is no question mark because the ? is rhetorical) u see the point.
It really varies depending on the guy. Most guys that I have dated have been easy to get along with and I rarely had any arguments with them because I’m pretty laid-back and save my fights for the big issues. I’m straightforward, so I will tell you what’s bothering me than make you figure you out because I hate when people do that to me. I’m not a mind reader, so if you’re upset at something you need to tell me because I will not figure it out.
PREACH! I swawer! It’s not about “right” or “wrong” it’s more about understanding where the breakdown happened that led to your state of discontent and what we’re going to do to avoid that ish in the future…don’t try to convince me I am wrong…if I understand where you are coming from, I (by definition of the word “understand”) empathize with your thought process, and therefore grasp the innate wrong-ness that led to you being upset…DAMN!
In OhMyGOODENess-land, this is a genderless tenet of general communication that is completely independent of the context of a “relationship”…it should be applied to LIFE…
(rolling my eyes as I text this comment to some folks that need to read it!)
*turning my back on Panama, clenching jaw, cussing* So I see you took me up on my triple dog dare…hmmph! When will you boys learn?? huh?…Ok, first let me say I think you could have given us a better example of your so-called “chick logic”. As a woman I need details of this argument you had with your ex in order to justify or refute her actions. In the meantime, I’ll give you an example of justified ‘chick logic’…
Many, many moons ago I too had one of these arguments, (in bed that is) in which I was accused of being completely irrational. I had an argument with this guy I was dating about religion. (i know, i know) He claimed that he was neither Christian nor Agnostic nor Atheist. It bugged me because at the time (a naive 20 something who thought we had a future together) believed that I needed to truly understand where he was coming from spiritually. And it bugged me that he couldn’t articulate his relationship with or without God. He told me instead to read The Autobiography of Malcolm X. wtf? I’ve read it three times, so I passed. I argued with him on this issue until he was so frustrated that he was nearing the door of my apartment to leave. This launched me into another fit of rage. He didn’t understand the importance of this and yet he claimed that I was someone he wanted to ‘settle down’ with. He became infuriated and told me that I needed to ‘calm down’ and that i should just drop the issue. See this is where I have a problem…didn’t we learn somewhere (maybe in the bible or something) not to go to bed angry? I think this is where your ex, in spite of her obvious body language, wanted you to care enough to settle the issue right then and there. By the length of my comment alone you can tell that we (women) like to talk…men simply want to drop it and go to bed. or drop it and f*ck. Now if you call that chick logic, then so be it. But can we at least change it to something more pc, like a woman’s logic. Chick sounds so dismissive. *turning my back on panama again, grumbling something about morehouse men, and waiting for him to reply & settle this debate*
“men simply want to drop it and go to bed. or drop it and f*ck”
Sounds great to me!
Anger is almost always a secondary emotion. There was obviously something she was feeling she didn’t feel comfortable expressing and instead turned her back like a child as if he was supposed to beg her to express what what on her mind. C’mon..I would have gone to bed too.
If his chick needed to discuss something she should have been an adult and been straight up. I don’t think men hate to talk. I think men hate to go around in emotional circles of nonsense. Men and women communicate very differently. They need you to get straight to the point and for the issue to be resolved…that’s sounds most logical to me.
cogent. fuck, aren’t you the progressive one. big up and shit.
“didn’t we learn somewhere (maybe in the bible or something) not to go to bed angry?”
Im checkin right now on bible.com!!! I swear its up there somewhere..
“drop it and f*ck.”
possibly the best t-shirt idea ever
i would buy it…are yall coming out with tee shirts…I’d like to model my famous “if you rock my world, there will be pancakes”
yeh…the pancakes t is already of one my faves.
lol…they’re coming.
Just make sure they come in 4 or 5XLT sizes!
I’ll buy it:)
nah im feeling that;
“Planning is for Pu$$ie$.”
2 Miss Patterson:
I think this is where your ex, in spite of her obvious body language, wanted you to care enough to settle the issue right then and there.
oh that’s right, i forgot, , my bad, when you turn your back and “democratically end the convo.” (as described by P) that means; “…wanted you to care enough to settle the issue right then and there.” my bust, i thought that meant you were through talking to me and didn’t want to look at me or smell my breath. i’m so dumb. i promise, i’m going to learn.
@ khan.. “I promise I am going to learn”…a promise is a comort to a fool…don’t go intot he light…once you start to understand it…you become it…SCARY! JUST SAY NO!
i promise, i’m going to learn.
strictly satirical. …and doesn’t your comment apply to whomever would believe the empty satirical promie i made? hmmmm. cute though.
I knew you were being facetious…I just don’t like the word (and implied obligation) of the word “promise” and take every opportunity to thwart its magical powers! It’s the work of my inner super-hero…lol
“As a woman I need details of this argument you had with your ex in order to justify or refute her actions.”
further proof of the existence of chick logic – the details are unimportant to the conclusion of the story. whether she was justified in turning her back to me has NOTHING to do with the fact that the moment i reciprocated her actions (ya know since she ENDED the convo and shit) she decided i was being further disrespectful and assholish.
the question is in how she could justify her reaction to my reaction to her reaction. and she couldn’t.
women have a sense of entitlement when it comes to men. …as false and unrealistic as it may be.
most women….
thanks for the clarification…I am reading a book that explores entitlement…the Snow White/Cinderella fallacy and thus and such…adn I agree…there does seem to be an innate sense of entitlement in the (typical) female thought process that teaches us that “if mama ain’t happy, nobody is happy” and it’s YOUR job to figure out why…and then FIX IT!
EFF DAT (more Chinese for ya’ll) you can’t read my mind…if I don’t tell you, you won’t know…and just because I didn’t like it, doesn’t mean it’s “wrong”…most relationship bafoonery is miscommunication anyway…(shrugging)…when I get upset (at anyone, not just lovers) I figure out WHY I am salty first, then bring up my issue…because it may not really be something to talk about at all if I think about it long enough…plus…the communication ball gets dropped in arguing…because once I get heated, you sound lke Charlie Brown’s teacher…waa wwaaaaa waaa!!!
wow. way to own up. reading is fundemental and such. i swear you must be on that wellbutrin. whatevers, i like it.
nah this is the REDWUHN er’day…lol…I think I submitted to this alleged “chic logic” but I can’t remember what grade I was in back then…
Damn i’m glad you caught that statement.
Your story was the PERFECT example of “chick logic” at work. Contradiction and thinking/acting off of emotions = Chick Logic.
watch your mouth…(insert obligatory LOL here)
Point Monk.
salute.
I think women are often indirect with what they need from men and beat around the bush so to speak. Instead of being straight up they bait and test for reactions and response to gauge how much he cares. Her turning her back was an attempt to see how you would react rather than to confront the issue, fuck and have a good night’s sleep. Men aren’t aware and find themselves underneath the doghouse not even knowing why. You shouldn’t have to decipher body language when you’re communicating in an adult relationship. That’s a waste of time.
very well stated. i think that both men and women use passive-aggressive behavior far too much in their dealings with the opposite sex. none of us are mind readers. and Crys, i agree with you on the fact that we (women & men) have a lot of work to do in the area of communicating (like adults) with one another.
“Her turning her back was an attempt to see how you would react rather than to confront the issue, fuck and have a good night’s sleep. Men aren’t aware and find themselves underneath the doghouse not even knowing why.”
preach!!!
church!!!
tabernacle!!!
sanctuary!!!
pulpit!!!
sunday school!!!!
church retreat!!!
missionary work!!!!
okay. i’m done. you all get the idea
you left out; vacation bible school!; and revival!
you also forgot…
usher board
deacon meeting
communion… lol
see i don’t do tests. even if i smell a covert tests, i will flunk the shit on purpose 7 times out of 10 just because i resent that stupid shit. you be covert in testing i covertly fail. i dont negotiate with terrorists. its a jedi mind trick and im a jedi warrior.
I can not disagree with anything you said, and I am mad. Cause as much as I want to refute your chick logic theory I can not. I too am guilty of chick logic (which btw is the ultimate oxymoron **ducking for cover**)
I know I have become better of voicing i.e. communicating how I expect my male counterpart to react instead of letting him try to figure out my body language… for example if I had been in the bed and rolled over I actually would have said why I am rolling over and that if I were to roll back over and you had your back to me I would be upset because you turned your back to me. again I can not deny its exsistence nor can I deny that it is nonsensical. It exists and depending on how your female counterpart uses or abuses it will make your relationship either a roller coaster ride or a tornado
if chick logic is an oxymoron, dick logic is a keebler elf
LOL I just fell out my damn chair on this one.
this made me choke on my morning plantains and whiskey
and that made me choke on my morning pomegranate and cow tongue bagel.
you stealing Champs thunder. LOL. …cow tongue bagel and pomegranate. how eclectic is that. LOL
I’d never steal his thunder. He just inspires me to emulate his shadow.
“I’d never steal the champs thunder. He just inspires me to emulate his shadow.”
vacation bible school!!!!
@ Wise Diva:
“if chick logic is an oxymoron, dick logic is a keebler elf.”
…thats why you’ve got that elfin magic around your lips.
and my magic is on his face
i didnt know walking oxymorons did magic. …but hell i guess we both happy. Magic! heh heh heh…
and speaking of, you know that saying you are what you eat? umm yeah
yeah but we got that man filter that filters out all the bullshit and only processes the essential nutrients. sounds like you may have some sustenance. …and lickety split to you too.
thank goodness, and we have filter’s too, that’s how you guys get ass, so touche’, my friend
admitting the problem is the first step to healing. i love you Ana B. its going to be ok. don’t dodge i’ll take the hits for you. just get better.
Gracias genius, I’m in a 12 step program (been participating all my life) who knew this ish was going to be so hard?
My two cents… Women do like to discuss and talk about an issue until it is resolved or at least they have a better understanding of you (the males) point of view. The only time I turn my back during a discussion or pause it abruptly is when I feel like his is not talking as much as I am or initiating closure. So, if he keeps getting quiet, constantly repeats his ONE point, or only dishes out rebuttals to everything I say I pause (i.e. turn over) until he can come with something better. The pause is not for him to give up (i.e turn over and start going to sleep) and end the conversation. The pause is simply for him to take the lead in resolving the said issue.
“The pause is simply for him to take the lead in resolving the said issue.”
what if we honestly think the issue is stupid, and we’re just trying to appease you so we can get some sleep?
Okay, even if the issue is stupid, resolve it. Hell, if it really is “stupid” it should be easy to resolve, right?
let me see if i got this shit right? you pause, (i.e. turn your back, stop talking) and its MY RESPONSIBILITY to keep going (not pause myself and turn my back in kind) right?
Makes perfect sense to me.
false expectation (in that we are not Negrodamus, that was Paul Mooney) and a sense of entitlement.
Chick logic.
Yep, you got it. ***clapping***
chick logic all day long. bullshit covert tests + false expectations coupled with a sense of entitlement = major clust fuckery.
I CALL BULLSHIT!!! if he thought the alleged issue was worth cahampioning…he would…a MAN would…a boy w/ MAN tendencies might not…but either way…if you take the assinine pause to allow this shift of “power” you are still in control because you “gave” him his chance to speak…and he didn’t even know it because is secret decoder ring got lost in the laundry! (shaking my head)
zanex
you gwon stop making me a pill popper…lol…I just got good sense! just admit it… the truth will set you free! lm(red)ao!
We don’t have good sense. Ya’ll don’t either.
Case closed.
“Ya’ll don’t either.”
expound
It just one of those things you guys will never understand. We don’t understand things that ya’ll do either.
We will always agree to disagree between the sexes.
“We don’t understand things that ya’ll do either.”
for instance?
read my pre-jac story…there’s a “for instance” for ya.
Great story, by the way!
Example: Why you guys dont plan! Women (for the most part) are planners. We look at what needs to be done and mentally figure out how we are going to go about getting it done as seemlessly as possible. You guys dont do that. You all typically, just figure ‘ah the shit will work itself out. Either it will get done or it wont’
This drives most of us nuts!
i don’t know what goal u have in mind specifically but generally, we have a plan its just that some shit doesn’t require a prospectus, a business plan or an architect. …and have you ever heard of the law of deachment?
“Why you guys dont plan!”
plans are for pu$$ies
@ Champ-didn’t you PLAN to start this blog. You PLAN to sell the tee shirts, you PLAN your posts…its just if its a woman inspired plan…well …then we’re back to the pu$$y stuff.
@The Comeback Girl – hate to break it to you, but we did very little planning on most of this stuff. we just decided we were going to do it, and we did it. same with a lot of these posts.
perhaps were just geniuses like that. yes, seems to fit.
“plans are for pu$$ies”
I want this on a shirt!!!
Being lost in a car with a male says it all. I’m talking about before GPS systems…lol
ok u got us. i have to admit that (pre-gps) generally men were guilty here. lol. hmmm i wonder who invented the technology?
strictly dick logic. i admit.
Why you like to fight so much, can’t ask for directions, and why you would take advice from your boys about matters that they’re clueless about.
Really if they stopped listening to they boys, all this foolishness would stop. LOL
@ Leila
and why you would take advice from your boys about matters that they’re clueless about.
whoa missy. women take the cake on this one. if i say it, its the stupidest shit ever but if bonequeishanem at work say it so htn its has logic and merit. WTF classic chick logic. GTFOH!
@ genius
You have to take all friend advice w/ a grain of salt. Look at their situation before they advise you on yours.
If that dude/girl ain’t got a SO and they’re advising you on your relationship, you shouldn’t take that advice. It’s like a one legged man telling you how to run a marathon.
Nahmean?
@miss t-lee – i’m calling shenanigans on this:
“Really if they stopped listening to they boys, all this foolishness would stop. LOL”
i think women’s friends tend to send this into worse spirals than they need to be b/c rarely are women going to remove themselves from a situation and offer an objective opinion. most dudes can do that. unless they’re Rae Carruth’s boys. women automatically side with the woman and run hog-f*ckin-wild with retribution, revenge, and f*ckery. dudes will be like, “dude, you’re a f*ckin’ idiot. OF COURSE she’s mad at your dumb ass for doing that. think dumbass!”
i love you too cause you can laugh at this shit but i can smell fear and loathing in some of these comments. me, i can laugh at the shit too. …but it is what it is. luu u.
What was the argument about? She might have had good reason for turning her back on you. Yes, I’m guilty of chick logic at times but most of the time I’m straightforward with guys unless they really piss me off and I need some time to think and hence the silent treatment. I won’t turn my back on the guy in bed but I’ll move to the farthest side of the bed…
go silent but dont be mad and have false expectations IF i g stealth too.
Once again…the reasons for the disagreement have nothing to do with her unjustified pissedness at me following her lead and turning my back.
once you make a decision, you’re stuck with the consequences. you can’t decide that b/c i didn’t respond the way you wanted me to, i’m further wrong.
you just might be insane.
welbutrin, zanex…
Just like a man to leave out the details. I was asking because it’s hard to determine whether or not she was justified in her actions without knowing what was discussed and your reaction. If you weren’t listening, she may have been justified in her actions.
I hope that argument occured when you were under 21 and still in college or some shyt.
“Man logic” is SOOOO overrated. And it’s probably the reason that most – if not all – serial killers are male, lol.
Men just rationalize any and everything, not matter how wrong or ridiculous or downright dumb it is. Just b/c you can make make a rational argument out of something doesn’t make it so. I mean, people rationalize kicking puppies, atheism, Jihad, etc. ANYTHING can be rationalized.
so you assert that man logic is rationalizing anythingeven if its wrong. right?
i was just thinking of the same thing…most of these types of arguments occur in college when we (women & men) are still learning how to communicate. at that age we’re still learning what behaviors in our mate trigger anger…and when we’re young we don’t always know how to communicate said anger.
men are serial killers b/c y’all spend so much time planning and emotionalizing it that you never get around to it.
men just do the shit.
*sigh* still hating you. Thanks.
Good job K you got in the “evil male” dig with the seriel killer routine. Most if not all seriel killers are men? Hmmmm I took this off the top of google.
•Female serial killers have long killing sprees, lasting up to 8 years (males’ sprees almost never last longer than 4 years and usually end after several months).
•Female serial killers kill more quietly and less “violently”, with poison or other less undetectable methods, like suffocation. Males tend to batter, strangle, stab, and shoot.
•Female serial killers kill for profit most of the time, while male serial killers kill for sexual reasons about half the time.
•Female serial killers generally kill people close to them, such as husbands, family members, or people dependent on them. Males kill strangers more often.
How stupid eh K? Most if not all serial killers are men. These comments are about a fictional world where women do something wrong and are accountable. What logic and reason applies to that? Women do no wrong. You dont need the details, this guy Panama did something to warrant his ex as the victim and he the guilty party. period. The bastard is probably a serial killer too.
Jane Toppan Killed 95 More Victims Than Jack the Ripper
Jack the Ripper is a famous male serial killer who murdered five prostitutes in London. During these same Victorian times, Jane Toppan killed almost 100 people as a live-in nurse in Connecticut. Her murder weapon was poison;
Jack and Jane- I know all about Jack. I have never heard of this Jane. And women like K keep it that way.
The only reason a woman even goes to bed mad is cuz she wants extra attention. P, you should have just scooted up behind her and commenced the gentle foreplay and segued into ungentle phucking.
Or maybe I’m just speaking for myself. The only reason I ever get mad is cuz I’m not on the receiving end of enough penis. My moods are determined by my sexual satisfaction.
preach!
hotdam. may your life (amongst other things) be filed with “enough” dick. salute.
@ELAAN (standing ovation) BRILLIANT!
you can always count on elle to come through
start early hate me now. but err ahhhh the rough sex i get. if u needs it i gots it however if u need the the silly lil mind reading game where i acquiesce to ur will. you gets nothing. maybe later though. heh heh heh
Some women “think” with their emotions, therefore negating the use of logic in their thought processes. It doesn’t really make sense to men. I’m a woman and while I have the capacity to use “chick logic”, I try my best to avoid it, especially when dealing with men. It’s important to understand that the male and female brain develop in completely different ways. If any guy wants to try to understand “chick logic”, I suggest reading “The Female Brain” by Louann Brizendine, M.D. It’s a great book for men and women to read, because she LOGICALLY explains the differences between the male and female brain. It won’t clear up every mystery, but it’s a good start.
interesting. ima have to check that out. ifear it has more to do with the mind (i.e. nature/soul) than the brain. (you know, more than the physiology or brain) i assert that the mind is the soul. go figure.
I agree. I think most brains physiologically work the same. It’s all the other environmental and genetic factors that make them different.
“Some women “think” with their emotions, therefore negating the use of logic in their thought processes”
and men DON’T….they make the best “beef stew” in my opinion. Its a longer…slower…burn…
So true. They don’t think. You could create a 10 season sitcom on male stupidity. The thing is most men I know are fully aware that they don’t think, and they don’t give a damn about it. Some women will spend a lifetime trying to rationalize illogical logic. I find it all entertaining as long as I’m not dealing with it.
“The thing is most men I know are fully aware that they don’t think, and they don’t give a damn about it. Some women will spend a lifetime trying to rationalize illogical logic”
I disagree here a little..when a man meets his match, I’ve seen on many occassions that the dumb shyt “self-corrects”. This may also go back to not being well matched. I think if a man and a woman are really vibing, some of this stuff resolves on its own.
I think when you try and force that square peg into the round hole (like he/she is the last/ man woman standing in the world..you get some of these problems).
“I think if a man and a woman are really vibing, some of this stuff resolves on its own.”
I totally agree with you. I guess I should have prefaced my comment by stating that I’m referring to extreme instances. If two relatively reasonable people are in a relationship, the logic issue isn’t that serious.
i’m glad that you two agree. vsb.com brings folks together.
the panty factor- when all else fails and women play the pussy card.
i don’t care how “matched” you are when it all falls down, women attempt to pull what they consdier their ace in the hole. Da Pussy. dunh dunh dunn. if this doesn’t work she becomes a raving, shityy, mess, speaking in tongues and wreckless.
oh and i don’t negotiate (at least not in good faith) with terrorists. name, rank and serial #. thats all u get. no dick, no understanding, do not pass go, don’t collect a hundred dollars.
“oh and i don’t negotiate (at least not in good faith) with terrorists. name, rank and serial #. thats all u get. no dick, no understanding, do not pass go, don’t collect a hundred dollars.”
genius khan, i have a friend named “subtlety” that i’d like to introduce you to. i dont believe you’ve ever met
“Chick logic (noun). The thought process that a majority of women subscribe to that entails neither rational thought, history, or common sense. See also non-sense”
Ok, I must disagree with the word history in your definition of chick logic. (You knew this was coming.) Many chicks base their seemingly irrational behavior on their personal histories. If men listened more to women talking about their pasts, some of this so-called chick logic might make more sense. -5 points Panama.
The fact that you said the majority of women, makes me smile. Thank you for not grouping all women into this category of insanity. You get 5 points back.
And your ex…although I don’t know the argument, I can’t imagine how her actions made any sense. If you turn your back on someone, you get what you get. Regardless of what reaction you want, you deserve what you get. Turning your back and hanging up the phone…just rude.
Queen:
“Ok, I must disagree with the word history in your definition of chick logic. (You knew this was coming.) Many chicks base their seemingly irrational behavior on their personal histories.”
just don’t take for granted that i already know your personal history and expect that i SHOULD be making adjustments based upon it.
if someone isn’t able to take their lover’s personal history into account when arguments arise…then they probably shouldn’t be in a relationship. in the same breath i don’t think that the person with the emotional baggage should take advantage of this empathy from their mate. they should learn to recognize these triggers for anger/sadness/abandonment and learn better ways to channel these emotions.
choice is based on awareness so if one is not aware they cant choose. where chick logic comes in at is when chix expect you to telepathically figure shit out. even then, it should EXPECTED that someone (a man) will deem the info cause for adjustment. you (women) don’t automatically get a pass or some treatment you expect because of blue stars and green clovers. (egg zzz actly)
Couldn’t have said it better myself. We already know that people don’t disclose everything. Shit, if I don’t know that one day a gila monster bit your man’s penis and from then he turned into a monk and that’s why you get all frustrated whenever I talk about Tibet, how can I be expected to be understanding of your plight if Tibetan monks and Chinese footwear really excite me?
what the deuce!? umm I really hatechu, LOL
but we’re not talking about people who don’t disclose their personal histories…we’re talking about when people do and they still act ignorant. i’m so over this now.
Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus. Blah, blah Goodnite.
Nah, but I don’t know how I feel about this topic. It kind of smells like generalizations based off of the immature actions of one loony heffa. I feel that we all would be better off in life and love if we stopped taking the bullshit behaviors/dilemnas/issues that characterized our last relationships and painting the whole world with that same stinky ass paintbrush. ( AKA “Chicks be stupid, man!” vs. “Niggas ain’t shit!) I’m often annoyed by that kind of rhetoric.
Alas, I know this post was for shits and giggles, so…
For the record, I’d love to say this was merely a generalization, but when even women co-sign, it can’t be too far off base. And I just used that one example. It’s not the only one…I’ve got a-plenty.
Hmm. If you have plenty of examples of women acting illogical/dramatic in your arguments or relationships…you ever honestly wonder if there is something about you that attracts women who behave this way?
An honest question, not a dagger.
Now THAT’s the evolved question. I’m glad we’re getting this…”plenty of examples” implies a problem. not an isolated huff fest.
All women act illogical/dramatic at some point. They’re naturally driven by emotions so it’s expected.
But men act illogical/dramatic as well. I guess that’s kind of my point…Panama could have 80 katrillion examples of nutty women acting silly, and a female poster could offer up 80 katrilli0n examples of the nutty ass fool in her life who took being illogical to the next level. And so it continues. What’s the point in perpetuating this kind of thinking? That’s why I suggested that these kind of patterns might be a big ass hint for some introspection.
As I said, I’m aware in this context (vsb), bringing up “chick logic” is equal parts ‘shits and giggles’/incendiary tactic, so I’m not trying to throw daggers at ole Panama here.
Precious, I’m curious what example(s) do you have where a man used chick-logic?
NOTE: This, to me, would be a man exhibiting signs of b*tchassedness.
cosign. every. last. line.
Chick-logic…. bitchassedness …( I cringe when I use any Diddy-coined term in real life.I thought I told you that we won’t stop. )
Anybody engaged in gender studies would have a field day with this post! Whoo wee!
Precious, I still would like to hear an example of when a man used “chick-logic” on you? This is not me being a d*ck…just wondering.
Anybody studying gender studies would have a field day with 99% of these posts!
Engaging in Gender Studies=Bitchassedness! LOL– just kidding.
noting that there are exceptions to chick logic (those women who dont regularly employ it when arguing or other genders using it.) only makes you “Captain Obvious” it doesn’t change the onus of Chick Logic. it rests squarely on most women. (primarily and at large a female personification)
@ genius
I will not co-sign on assertion that the majority of women employ a thought process that entails neither rational thought, history, or common sense.
That seems as silly to me as saying “All boys are stinky!” while throwing fistfuls of dirt on boys at the playground.
The difference is (as I stated in my original comment below) men won’t try to justify their illogical statements and behavior. They’ll say it doesn’t make sense whereas women-as seen here at VSB-will constantly try to make sense out of non-sense.
wtf?
D*Stroy, here’s an example of a man using irrational logic to justify his emotion:
Dad: Baby girl, where were you?? I tried to call you last night and you didn’t pick up! I thought you were hurt or something! I didn’t sleep half the night, worrying somebody might have got you in some dark alley or something. You know there’s all kinds of nuts out there. (As crazy as this rant sounds, this is a true account.)
Me: Whoops, sorry Dad. I was out, and just didn’t hear my phone. Was it an emergency?
Dad: No.
Me: Did you call more than once?
Dad: No.
Me: So you called me once, I didn’t pick up, and you didn’t sleep half the night because you thought a stranger grabbed me and had his way with me in an alley?
Dad: Well…you need to stop keeping such late hours! And what’s the point of you having a cell phone if I can’t get in contact with you?
Me: Sigh.
My father used poor logic ( I didn’t answer my phone thus must be dead in an alley) to justify his irrational emotion (worrying all night to the point of disriptive sleep.) He was illogical and dramatic.
When I say plenty of examples, I don’t always mean in the context of a relationship. Chick logic is not confined to a relationship. Chick logic exists on its own.
And let’s not skew shit either by saying, “maybe it’s not women, it’s you”
That would in essence be the VERY EPITOME of that first quote up there about removing reason and accountability.
Further, shit, most women know some chicks where they’d be like, “wtf was she thinking? that makes no sense.” let’s not pretend like 98 percent of women don’t have friends that they consider insane…
I’ll even take it a step further…most women i know consider themselves to be the sane person in all their friendships. And the likelihood of that actually being the case?
Zero percent.
but Panama, you have to admit that any time someone has a pattern of bad relationships with the opposite sex that there is some validity in the argument that maybe it IS you. I’m not justifying any craziness, I’m just saying that when we find ourselves in a string of emotionally abusive relationships we owe it to ourselves to do some self-reflection and say ‘But why am i bringing these types of women/men into my life?’ you feel me?
But what happens when all men are saying the same thing? Is it the enire male-population who is in need of introspection?
*NOTE: I understand this is a pretty strong generalization but all men that I know have witnessed chick-logic firt-hand.
perhaps, but i know a whole gang of women who are need of self-reflection too. when women start to adopt the idea that all men are dogs, ain’t sh*t, etc, etc…the same theory applies- maybe it’s us. Why this string of emotionally abusive men? (personally i think it’s a latent daddy issue thing…but that’s a whole other topic). male or female…folks only get away with what you ALLOW them to get away with. ya feel me?
I honestly don’t think that the ide that all men are dogs, aint sh*t, etc is that far off. I think that most men are dogs and/or aren’t sh*t. Show me a person who says that most men are caring, loving, selfless, chivalrous, faithful, employed and family-oriented and I’ll show you a liar.
“I think that most men are dogs and/or aren’t sh*t. Show me a person who says that most men are caring, loving, selfless, chivalrous, faithful, employed and family-oriented and I’ll show you a liar.”
Wow, son. Can’t wait til you have a daughter.
God willing, my little girl will be born in a month and a half. Thanks for asking.
Not sure how me having a daughter is relevant though…
But, anyway… the birth of my daughter is not going to change my position. I don’t think that most men are great. And I certainly don’t think most men are worthy of great women. I intend on raising my daughter to be a great woman (like her mother) and she will have to be equipped to distinguish the great men from the mediocre/bad ones.
D*Stroy,
You aren’t concerned about raising a daughter to believe that most men aren’t shit? I mean, I understand wanting her to be cautious and everything…
I don’t know, this seems akin to saying “Life sucks, kid. Good luck making it in this bitch.” Kind of fatalist.
But yeah, congratulations on the baby-to-be!
Precious, I can see how it can be viewed as fatalist but I actually think that it is a necessary outlook when raising young women. I think I am going to take such a hard stance because I am a man and I know how men think. And trust me, we are not thinking about preserving the sanctity of our women.
‘don’t know, this seems akin to saying “Life sucks, kid. Good luck making it in this bitch.” ‘
LOL! I am moreso trying to say: There are great men out there but you have to be able to weed through the sea of bad ones.
Good question!!! I don’t deny that chick logic exist, but I do believe it is just the reaction to a moron man moment. Men just like women cannot always handle blunt honesty. I don’t know why she tuned her back, but I can say that I’ve reacted this way before and it was always was just that; a reaction. I think that people find it hard to communicate the details of hurt feelings. Want an exsample of moron man moment?
@ dinner. We run into my old smash and run and he asked who had the bigger digger.
My reply was do you want the truth or do u want me to stroke your ego? Needless to say he caused a scene. Did not end there. Days and nights about this shit. I just wanted it to end, I was on penis punishment and honestly just wanted to get laid (and for the record wanted so bad to tell him this is why the smash and run was the better worker). So I turned my back to give him a chance to 1.stop breathing so hard and stop calling me a whore in so many words 2. Listen to what was going on in his brain and finally just admit his feelings were hurt. The reality is that all people can act irrational when you get socked in the heart; not chick logic sometimes just an honest, natural reaction to fuckery. All in all this wasn’t the reaction I was going for. I thought his reply would be something like ‘well couldn’t be too great, he’s there and I’m here’. Seemed rational to me.
LOL! This is a very funny example! Why didn’t you just lie to him? You should’ve known better than that. Giving an honest answer about a man’s size is akin to a man giving an honest answer about a woman’s weight– nobody wants to hear the truth.
” Why didn’t you just lie to him? You should’ve known better than that. Giving an honest answer about a man’s size is akin to a man giving an honest answer about a woman’s weight– nobody wants to hear the truth.”
Do you always take your own advice? Sorry, I couldn’t resist.
LOL! Do as I say, not as I do!
I asked him if he wanted me to lie!!! He flipped out. the reality is that they tell us about our emotional selves all the time and expect us not to react ie this blog. And for the record men tell you about your weight, they don’t hold back. I’ve got the gym membership as a birthday gift and loved it. I wasn’t mad I was had gained some weight and was complaining about it all the time. I thought it was thoughtful. Don’t believe it? Gain ten pounds or better yet ask a guy what he would do if his girl gained some weight would he say something.
“I’ve got the gym membership as a birthday gift and loved it.”
damn. someone definitely took their bold pills that morning.
Yeah, I’ll say.
And loving the membership is one thing…loving the statement behind the gift is another. It’s hard to believe that both were loved equally.
It was bold and considerate. I like that. Proved to me that he wasn’t running scared of how I would react. The membership lasted longer than the relationship. After a year he cut off the free gravy train. I lost the dead weight needless to say. The same person who asked about the smash and run fyi.
“We run into my old smash and run and he asked who had the bigger digger.”
plus, any guy that actually asks that question should be told that the other dudes wang was bigger even if its not true, just to f*ck with him on gp.
Ahem. Morehouse post. Ahem.
I’m feeling like these broads out here on this nut shit are making my job hard. What kind of bullshit is that?
Meanwhile, I have learned to stay quiet and try to let things slide so I won’t die alone. Thanks, bitches. Thanks, bitch-ass niggas.
“Thanks, bitches. Thanks, bitch-ass niggas.”
lots of great t-shirt ideas in here today
Ladies,
Just take the “L”.
P’s right.
It’s not that men aren’t illogical at times but they can and will admit that their words or actions made no sense, while women will continue to try and make a $1 out of 15 cents…
LOL @ take the L. ok and What will you take the W? because that’s the natural order of things, right?
I love it
“…and What will you take the W?”
No. There are no winners.
@ Deviant…so true. I have to catch myself sometimes either that or hope the dude I’m with isn’t as smart or smarter than me or catches on as quick. But to be called to the mat for some “chick logic” makes him more attractive to me… go figure.
Honesty is attractive.
I have experienced the exact same situation as Panama and it was as baffling then as it is now. At least now I know that I am not alone. And I am quite sure that every man has plenty of examples where chick-logic has reared its ugly head.
There have been countless situations where I have trapped women in a corner through the use of logic and suddenly they get this crazy look in their eyes and starting firing back with non-sense (ie misquotes, assumptions, etc). There is nothing like hearing a woman defend a position through the use of highly nuanced and intricate chick-logic. Chick-logic, to me, is nothing more than a poor attempt to ariculate an emotion, no matter how irrational it is. For example, in Panama’s situation she should have simply said:
“It angers me when you turn your back on me. This sounds hypocritical because IT IS…unfortunately, it is just one of my double standards.”
As men we can understand that…it makes sense. But to say “Who do you think you are turning your back on me while we’re having an argument?” This angers us because it puts us in a position of constructing a sound argument to debunk a completely irrational position. This never ends well.
“A wiseman said ‘don’t argue with fools’ “– Jay-Z
If this is true….
“Chick-logic, to me, is nothing more than a poor attempt to ariculate an emotion, no matter how irrational it is.”
…then chick-logic is truly genderless. It’s just “I’m a damn fool, but I’m not giving up-logic”. (Sounds like politics).
Men don’t have a monopoly on rational thought. And women don’t have a monopoly on expressing emotion. Writing in extremes is a good way to spark debate, but isn’t the truth always someplace in the middle?
Precious you make a good point. I think POOR LOGIC is genderless. However, I think the use of poor logic to articulate EMOTIONS/IRRATIONAL BEHAVIOR can be attributed more easily to y’all women-folk.
In a world where being PC and all-inclusive is important…it is also equally important to recognize real trends. I strongly believe that women tend to be more emotional than men. This is not necessarily a good or bad thing…it just is. But, if women are more emotional than men why is it so hard to believe that chick-logic (which seemingly is rooted in emotion) is exhibited more frequently by women?
I guess I have a few questions for you: Do you think that men and women are equally emotional/emotionally driven? if chick-logic is genderless why don’t men experience this as often in our interactions with other men? And why is it that other men empathize with eachother when discussions of chick logic come up?
You should seriously consider reading the book I mentioned in my earlier comment, “The Female Brain.” It offers a lot of insight.
I’m gonna cop that sh*t today… cause, honestly, I can’t go on living in constant confusion because of chick-logic.
I just went back and read your previous comment and you make some very interesting points.
I realize that I don’t understand women…not even a little bit. Men and women seem so different and instances of chick-logic only further punctuates these differences. I am excited at the prospect of learning what the hell you guys are talking about.
LOL! You guys? Don’t put me in a box. Have you ever heard me use chick logic?
LMAO That may be so. But face it… you’re a chick and that’s that! So, don’t try to jump ship now. If we were talking about how great all women were, you wouldn’t mind being put in a box then, now would you?!
Touche’
“Have you ever heard me use chick logic?”
no…but i dont think anyone here is dating you. point being, with many women, all rational thought goes out the window once they enter romantic relationship territory. i’m willing to bet my transparent stimulus check and a weeks worth countrytime pink lemonade mix that the 2Degreez we see on the blog isn’t the same 2Degreez that your last (or current) bf knows.
I think men and women BOTH can be driven by emotions. I don’t buy that the emotion for the majority of women involve poor logic, and the emotion for the majority of men involve clear, calm rational thought.
As for why do men empathize…it’s the same reason why any group would get together and empathize amongst their own. Identity. Belonging. A chance to complain. Etc. Plus it’s kind of expected, no? It’s a part of the group process. Like a knitting circle, but with balls- scratching and what not.
I apologize if I wasn’t clear but what I was trying to say is that women are more emotional. And emotions frequently lead to irrational behavior/logic.
So, you don’t think possible that men are actually experiencing the same things with respect to the chick-logic phenomenon?
Hi, I have been a lurker on this website for a while and I love it.
Can someone explain this vagina logic to me, the conversation went like this…
Me to Wifey: Hey, my brother just arrived in town, I’m going to stop by and say hi on my lunch break(5 minutes away).
Wife: I thought WE were going to stop by after work .
Me: WE are, I am just going to stop by after lunch to say hi,
Wife: Well if you go over there now, I’m not going after work because you said WE were going to go together….
Me: But we are still going together(after work)…
Wife: Not if you go over there at lunch(with much attitude)
Me: (WTF?)(to avoid the argument that I see coming)….Ok, I’ll wait and we will go after work but this makes no sense at all.
20 minutes later
Wife calls: Its ok if you stop over during your lunch break, I don’t mind anymore.
Me: What the Fugg?
Please someone explain this chick logic to me? Comeback Girl? Anyone?
Is it me? I thought that was sweet. She flipped out because she wanted to do it with you and now the thrill is gone because you want to go alone. She got over it (what I really want to say is that she realized she was trippin) and said you should do what you want to do. what is the problem?
But why did she trip in the first place, I never said that we weren’t going to go after work? I don’t even understand why she tripped in the first place, So for 20 minutes I’m thinking that she is crazy…..Thats not good for anyone…..
Dawg, I feel you. I don’t understand that at all. My wife does things like this all the time. Here’s an example:
Me: Babe, what are we doing Friday?
Wife: We are scheduled to go to dinner with my parents. Why?
Me: Oh… my boys were getting together for drinks.
Wife: (with palpable attitude) Well. You don’t have to go if you don’t want to…I’ll just go by myself.
Me: Actually, I was just wondering if we had plans. I will just let them know I can’t make it. I didn’t feel like drinking anyway.
Wife: (attitude still lingering) OK but don’t feel obligated to go to dinner… you can go hang with your boys.
Is it me or is the some bullsh*t? I just asked a godd*amned question! LOL!
Yeah see, you asked for info from her, then she tripped for nothing. I mean WHY? You even said that you didn’t want to have drinks but she was still trying set you up to be the bad guy……chick logic…makes no sense to me.
I’m really amazed at how Nut and Elenda somehow empathized with/romanticized your wife’s response. I am not saying they are wrong but I just would never have been able to put their analyses together. I just flat out don’t get it. And I have been in nearly the exact same situation as your’s, too.
This is what scares me about marriage. I’m still in my 20s and very independent, so I’m reserved about getting married because I don’t want to lose my independence. My girls have to lie sometimes to just hang out with me because their husbands trip over everything and expect them to check with them before they make any plans.
I’m married (and in my twenties too). Losing your independence is a valid concern… and inevitable (to some extent). I mean the whole idea is that you become one with another person. You obviously still need certain things for yourself too, but you just can’t be wild and free like your single friends. The good thing is that at least you are aware of the issue of independence. A lot of people get married thinking that everything will remain as it was when they were single. That can be disastrous.
I would never recommend that a person get married as young as I did. Personally, I am extremely happy, but it is impossible to ignore the statistics and the difficult road that brought me to happiness.
Its one thing to check with your significant other before you make other plans, its a whole different problem when you have to lie and sneak around, thats a problem….In a marriage there shouldn’t be an issue with you saying “hey, I’m going here after work if we don’t have plans” that should be a non-issue, but if you have to lie about going = issue
I agree! Some of my girls are married to insecure men who trip over everything and equate hanging out with the girls with cheating which I don’t get. Where I live, a lot of the guys are like that which is why I’m not big on marriage right now but I’m moving next month to another city and hopefully the guys out there will be more mature.
“I’m not big on marriage right now but I’m moving next month to another city and hopefully the guys out there will be more mature.”
Those men are red flags to me…I ALWAYS think THEY are the one’s with something to hide. I mean damn thou protest to damn much now…chill
I’m a wife and I can tell you that from experience what we do together is important to me; even the little things. Most times it’s more important to me than him. I understand that and try not to make him feel like I feel when my feeling are hurt because he couldn’t careless. She wanted to go with you period. Why is that not a good enough reason? May not be a big deal to you but is was to her. What’s wrong with that? It only took her 20 min. You do understand that relationships/marriges have seperated for smaller things. If you really want to know why she reacted that way, why not ask her? Shit I don’t know. I told my husband that he should want to meet the guy who taught me how to give blow jobs (who is still a good friend with no funny buisness!! Backlash from a previous vsb post); he (husband) is the person reaping all of the benifits. That did not go over well at all!!!! Just my two cents. I just think that she will give you the best answer. But be forewarned that if the question is heavy with comments on how crazy you think she reacted you will get crazy as an answer. Just ask the question. I will say that your reaction is one of a man who should have a wife, if that makes any sense.
Umm, yeah I wouldn’t have wanted to meet the guys that taught my wife how to @%%$#% either…..
Wait you have to explain this a little more…How did you end up suggesting that your husband should meet the guy who taught you the art of the bj? and why did you think that was a good idea? This sounds like more chick logic…lemme guess: you and this guy are such good friends now that you somehow thought it erased your sexual history.
not a good idea…did you see closer? this kind of information would infuriate any man (or woman for that matter). bad idea, bad bad idea.
Hmm wouldn’t erasing a sexual history mean that I would then be required to behaive like the unexperienced? Which means ‘no slurp for you’!!!
Here’s the details. He was moving back into town and he called just to catch up. I was so excited; he’s a college buddy and good friend. Ok let me put this in too. He is also married and I like his wife alot and we don’t know many happly married people. Hanging out with my single girlfriends bites ass!!!!! My hubbie was just upset, I realized after alot of arguing, that I was so excited. I’m just a person who really says what’s on my mind and that is what I was thinking so I said it. I was wrong and it was not approriate. Here was my logic, I’m his now and everything that has happened before I was his was just prep work for the real thing. I guess what I’m tring to say is that we can think what we want about the people that we are with, but that doesn’t make it a reality. I really think that you should decide if you want to be lied to and tell you partner that; it would end alot of arguments.
yeah that doesn’t make any sense, sexual history is like your credit history, try all you want, but its never erased! Just pray you have a good one LOL
“not a good idea…did you see closer?”
i really think this movie should be required viewing for all people 18-35. this and “ghostdog”
Nut, I was starting to really think we shared the same brain until you said you suggested you husband meet the guy who taught you how to give BJs! SMH
Oh I know it was a mistake!!!! I just said what was on my mind. I know it was wrong and I apologized.
a male ego is a fragile thing. A man does not want to know how you became the sex goddess that you are, he only wants to reap the benefits. The thought of you practicing on any man is enough to send him to the looney bin, and now you are going to have dinner with him and his wife and everyone is going to be just fine…. the male ego is a fragile thing. (the female ego is too for that matter cause I wouldn’t want any woman’s punnany thrown in my face especially if she’s been with the man that I am currently with).
Don’t ask don’t tell…it doesn’t just work in the military
a male ego is a fragile thing so is the concept that you will make two diffent people and come together to make one life. I know that I make mistakes and I’m willing to admit when I’m wrong. I just think that when you ask someone to honestly explain what they are thinking you will propably hear something that you didn’t want to hear. I’m honest about who I am all the time; it took alot of heart ache and nonsense to get here but here I am. If I search for something I accept what I get. And you know what I’m a happier person because of it. My husband trust me, he has no reason not to. If he asks I tell. Sometime I tell before he asks. I’m a woman I talk alot!!!!! Maybe chick logic exsists because men only listen to half or less of what women say. Listen to all of it and maybe it will make perfect sense.
@ Nut
Nut said; I told my husband that he should want to meet the guy who taught me how to give blow jobs
you are a nut.
silly wabbit tricks are for ho’s.
t-shirt
Nut said: I will say that your reaction is one of a man who should have a wife, if that makes any sense.
why? explain.
Nut said:
I will say that your reaction is one of a man who should have a wife, if that makes any sense.
why? explain.
do you want the truth or an ego stroke
now that’s a good t-shirt
Your right tricks are for ho’s. I’m not a ho because I don’t turn tricks or play games; go out of my way to be honest all the time. So are you saying I’m a ho because I give bj’s?
Please explain. Second thought don’t explain. Show me a man who thinks a woman who gives bj’s is a ho and I’ll show you a man accoustomed to paying for hookers. Never had a woman just want to slob the knob Khan? It would explain your tension.
When I said that he reacted like a man who should have a wife I ment that when she nutted up he backed down and allowed her the room to correct herself. Good move. No matter how wrong she is, he did the right thing. Your the Genius why couldn’t you figure that out?
I chose the screen name nut for a couple of reasons. My skin is peanut butter colored and it was a childhood nickname. It also happens to be my initals. And ok I am a nut, I’ll admit it.
Thank yall so much for making my work day fly by. I ended up staying late because I didn’t get any work done, but it was worth it.
Don’t get it twisted @Khan I think that you are a very intellegent and I loved the back and forth with you.
“what I really want to say is that she realized she was trippin”
uh huh
My two cents… You wife thought you didn’t want to go with her anymore even though you said you did. She didn’t understand your sense of urgency since you SAID ya’ll would go together. After you folded, she thought about it and was like, I guess he can go ahead and go AS LONG AS WE STILL GO LATER
She just needed validation that you STILL wanted to go with her. No biggie.
But she said she didn’t want to go at all if I was going at lunch….Just point blank, not going at all, doesn’t really have any interest in seeing my brother at all….
VALIDATION! Dayum. Spell it and live it. The only reason she tripped is because she needs validation. SHE WANTS TO GO WITH YOU! Dayum. If you go see them withou her, she no longer wants to go. She is your wife. She is your family too! When my Oldest sister came to town me and my Older sis would go visit at the same time. I don’t know why, we just did. DAYUM, make her feel important, she is YOUR WIFE. Your bro is in town, she wants to see him too. Bottom line, what message are you sending if you go without her? HUH? You know your bro is going to ask “where’s your wife?”
its lunch time, she is at work 35 minute commute(each way) away from here, i am 5 mintues away and he is just checking into the hotel, I have an hour to kill, this makes no sense to me, so you are telling me that I can’t say hi to my brother on my free time when its impossible for her to meet us and I am 5 minutes away and he is available as well? You can’t possible tell me that makes any sense, VALIDATION my @ss. Where is LOGIC? I never changed the plan of US visiting him after work!!!!!!!!! Where is the LOGIC!!!!
Michael, Elenda is talking crazy!
Here’s why:
1. It’s your brother. If you want some one-on-one time with him, nobody should beef about that.
2. You didn’t change the plans for all of you.
3. Your wife conceded that it was fine.
4. It was a brief lunch visit.
5. It is not that serious.
Need I go on.
Elenda, I am so happy that you are on this post because the other ladies would have us believe that “Chick-logic” does not exist but your responses confirm that it is alive and well. thank you.
@ D*Pain, thanks for pointing out Elenda’s “chick logic”…… LOL
Oh, I believe in chick logic and YES, is chick logic. I am trying to help you interpret and understand it. Geesh, You better be glad I am on this blog to break this shit down because you guys are clueless.
I’m not saying her logic is right, I am just letting you know where I think she is coming from***rolling my eyes at both of you***
However, ***more chick logic coming*** if you planned on seeing your brother during your lunch you should have said that in the first conversation when you said the two of you would go visit this evening. COMMUNICATE please. “Hey my bro is coming to town. I will probably swing by and see him during my lunch (since I work so close) and tonight we can go visit him together” DANG!
But naw, you had to go change the plan (LACK OF PLANNING). You could have just called your bro during your lunch break to catch up (discuss private stuff) then went with your wife as PLANNED this evening. BUT WHATEVER! Go see your brother alone or with your wife or BOTH. I am just trying to let you see where she might have been coming from.
Elenda, thank you very much for trying to help me understand, I do appreciate your help.
I still don’t understand my wifes logic but I am trying…. 
Your welcome and I’ll come back tomorrow for the update!
@Michael – I think thats the point, there’s actually nothing to understand. What she did makes no sense…trying to understand non-sense only drives you crazy…its like listening to Eddie Murphy albums under the assumption that he can sing. You’ll die.
man logic do the shit with out advising wifey. fuck the fallout etc. if you feel like you neeeeeddddd permission or to advise, then take off your panties put on some man draws, inject urself with some testosterone and grow some balls. when she’s crying later and using her chick logic while bitching you out for not advising her ask; would you have made the decision any different? the question is rhetorical. don’t worry about the answer. it was an offthe cuff decision you needed to make like a man and it since it does’nt change the price of tea in china, take a douche and get the fuck over it. ok not all that but you feel me.
Yeah I thought we thought alike until you posted this. I don’t think it was that deep. I think that she had a plan and he changed it and her first reaction was to trip. Twenty min go by and she realizes she’s trippin and calls back. she triped, you trip shit we all trip sometimes. Can a sistah just have a moment without being considered a crazy? The question is did she go with you to see him after work?
LMAO! Okay, I will agree she tripped but come on! If you and your man were going somewhere together in the evening and he said, I’m going to go during my lunch first then again WITH you, wouldn’t you trip? Maybe, I am on the only “extra” person out there but my feelings would be hurt and “I wouldn’t want to play anymore **lip poking out**” hence, the I don’t want to go later comment his wife made.
She was wrong and she knew she was wrong which is why she retracted it. I agree with that but Micheal wanted to know WHY it happened. That’s just my 2 cents… js
I’ll have to let you know today after work!!!!!
@ Nut
“Can a sistah just have a moment without being considered a crazy?”
Its when yall “trip” like this and bring in “vagina logic” that men get frustrated and begin to consider women as “crazy”? I’m just saying, that moment when you trip then hang up the phone still in trip mode, men politely place you in the “crazy corner”…..
If you and your man were going somewhere together in the evening and he said, I’m going to go during my lunch first then again WITH you, wouldn’t you trip?
No. It’s his brother and he is excited to see him. If my sister came to town I would be stalking the airport hours before she arrived!!!! I’m just saying maybe she’s jelous? No one knows but her, that’s why i said Micheal should ask and let us know how it turned out.
WE went to my brothers last night. She was a little apprehensive about it but still went…..No mention of her crazy behavior earlier in the day.
LMAO! I am glad to hear it. Case closed.
Don’t worry Michael, there is no way in South Hell that she had ANY reason to trip. It’s one thing if you were both going to see some special event…but it’s YOUR brother. If you decide to see your brother every 10 minutes on the hour until kingdom Come you’re entitled.
yeah, bruth…no sense whatsoever.
Thanks PanamaJackson, just trying to make sure I am not the “crazy”….
I’m with you. I don’t get why she flipped. If you want to see your brother, what’s the big deal.
Somebody already said this but irrational behavior is genderless. I really hate generalizations and gender bashing and it feels like what started out as a light-hearted debate is getting a little well, nasty.
I was just talking to a mentor of mine and she said that it’s true men and women DO communicate differently and some of this is attributed to archaic gender roles like for example: women can be emotional while men can’t, OR men are allowed to be direct and women can only be coy/passive. Also, some of this behavior is attributed to bad parenting. Whatever the reason I’m going on the record as saying that I DO NOT SUPPORT any kind of irrational logic (chick or d*ck). I do however support honesty and open communication. I think we should all learn to do the same. Also therapy isn’t a bad thing.
“I really hate generalizations and gender bashing and it feels like what started out as a light-hearted debate is getting a little well, nasty.”
you know, i re-read each of the comments, and i don’t see that. yeah, there are generalizations being thrown around like afgani hookers, but sometimes you hafta embellish a little to get your point across.
again though, i don’t see any meanness or anything like that going on here today, but please believe that if either of us (panama and i) actually saw that, it wouldnt last
Champ…you don’t think a post about how the majority of women employ a thought process devoid of common sense, history and rational thought is a little mean-spirited?
I mean, I can tak
I actually don’t think its mean-spirited. I think that it’s a topic than more than just myself and the champ acknowledge exists. truthfully, i don’t think its any different than the common and ubiquitous saying that men aren’t shit. it’s been said and written about profusely in publications with huge fanbases. but there it’s a way of empowering women or some such bullshit.
i think this post was written to spark a debate. hell, if we were proven wrong i’d have been more than happy to say it was wrong. however, i think the majority of comments either support or straight up PROVE my point.
shit is what it is.
i have to wonder though…had i written a post entitled, “men are dogs, no two ways around it” would you have thought that was mean spirited or would you have in any way agreed for whatever reason?
Nope she wouldn’t have agreed… she and I have been debating this point further up. She thinks I am a fatalist for saying that MOST men are dawgs and/or aint shit. I think she is wrong but… at least she is consistent.
well consistency is key. or at least that’s what they say. but i wonder if she’d think it was mean-spirited. saying i’m wrong is one thing, but mean-spirited by writing that post?
hell i dont even think this one was mean-spirited. but then again, i could just be an evil jackass like that.
Nah, I agree Panama. This post is clearly not mean-spirited….that would imply an concerted effort to offend. I think that is obviously silly. The fact is someone is always going to feel offended (and become defensive) when the envelope is being pushed. (This certainly isn’t the first time someone has complained about generalizations). If no one ever was offended… I would think that you guys slackin’ on your pimpin’.
remember she dared him to right this wrong so if niccas is writing wrongs, heyyyyy. thats what u get for waterboarding. i dont negotiate with terrorists. now say UNCLE.
“I really hate generalizations and gender bashing and it feels like what started out as a light-hearted debate is getting a little well, nasty. ”
Ooh chile. Me too.
I know writing in this medium, Panama and Champ need to add an entertaining and witty spin to the same ole, same ole talk about men and women. And I mostly love how it’s done on this blog. But this post in particular, and some of the resulting comments, came off kind of condescending and bitter, in my opinion.
This has proven to be a far more touchy subject than previous ones. I just don’t understand why. It seems that many of us are arguing things with out establishing a common ground for which to begin this convo. For example.
1. Does chick-logic actually exist?
2. Are women really more emotionally driven than
men?
These were initially things that I ASSUMED would be universally accepted but apparently that was a poor assumption.
But, with that said…I did learn a lot from the various perspectives. So, VSBs another mission accomplished!
Precious – can’t make an omelete without breaking a few eggs. I’ll have you know that I’m not bitter one way or another. In fact, I think its funny that the mere concept of “chick logic” has offended anybody in the slightest.
though i am interested in how you found it to be condescending…
This is bout to be my last reply….I’ve been on here far too long, and I’m sick of seeing myself on these comments.
Here’s what I said to Champ-
“…you don’t think a post about how the majority of women employ a thought process devoid of common sense, history and rational thought is a little mean-spirited?”
That’s what I found to be belittling. In my initial reply, 594549 hours ago, I said that I realized (and mostly hoped) that there was some humor in there, and I also said that I understood that writing in extremes was certainly more provocative, but scrolling through the rest of the replies was
kind of….wow.
“That’s what I found to be belittling. In my initial reply, 594549 hours ago, I said that I realized (and mostly hoped) that there was some humor in there, and I also said that I understood that writing in extremes was certainly more provocative, but scrolling through the rest of the replies was
kind of….wow.”
what you’re seeing is how passionate cats are about this issue. some of these comments are manifestations of, for some people, decades of trying to understand this (“this” being “chick logic”)
you know, i’ve been blogging for 6 years now, and, without fail, there are 3 relationship-ish topics that will always strike a nerve with people:
1. interracial dating
2. penis size
3. understanding women’s logic (or lack thereof)
today p just happened to write about number 3. btw, if one of us could somehow incorporate penis size, interracial dating, and chick logic all in one topic, i think the entire internet would spontaneously combust.
ladies, perhaps i am to blame. panama and i were at the sex and the city premiere last week (yes, he’s sensitive like that) and something happened (i forget what) and he goes, “that’s a perfect example of chick logic, I been thinking I should do a post on it.”
me? this Chick right here? I laughed and agreed.
i like whoever gave the definition that “chick logic” is irrational logic used to justify or rationalize emotions. I also think women are more emotionally-driven than men. as such.. I’d expect and have found “chick logic” to be more prevalent in.. well.. Chicks.
no offense taken by this post… as long as the flip side of the argument is coming to a post near us: Men’s utter failure to discern or communicate emotions clearly.
by the way, i am TOTALLY the sanest one of all my friends.
dam, niccas is tellin daddy and shit.
Why are you trying to justify chick logic?
-Addressed to all guilty parties and no one in particular
well when the post is titled chick logic or lack thereof, it kinda puts a spin on it, then people want to explain and defend and justify, it
so blame Panama for his bogus ass title
I have to say I agree with him. My stance is this:
It isn’t to be defended. When a guy acts in that fashion and is called on it more than likely he will acknowledge his mistake. If I see some dude acting irrationally in the fashion that has been descirbed on this post I address him as such “stop being a bitch”, a verbal kick-in-the-balls that will fix any situation. It forces him to acknowledge his mistake or wear the brand of “bitchassdude” which no meat-eating male wants to be branded as. As far as women goes for the most part its accepted behavior it seems. I get that there are times that we all act irrational but just because everyone does it does it make it ok?
Blame deez.
“Blame deez”
That is dick logic
dick logic. ohhh shit im laughing my ass off. heh heh heh
chick logic, can’t we all just get along. i feel like yall are trying to make P-Jack and Champ censor themselves. wow, i see whose sensitive. u can’tdo this or use this title or u gotta kick them out. open up laugh a lil. we stepped on some tampons up in here didnt we. ok ok some balls got busted too. (yep im pandering)
Um, my facetiousness didn’t come through very well. I like to give Panama a hard time, I actually dig the topic, post title, and all the comments today
Off topic, but I gotta ask – re: ” Rampart Division of the LAPD in the 90s (look it up, scholar)”
Is there anyone reading this site who needs to look up “Rampart Division, LAPD” to get the reference?
I need to look it up. BTW anechoic, are you an engineer or physicist of some sort?
Your sn has been coming up in the work I’m doing this summer characterizing signal propagation and behavior to create a model for a robotics project.
Please, if that were me, my ex would have had that entire exchange to a 34D tag and a big pink bunny tattoo. Nonsensical indeed.
I just had an argument with a female cousin of mine who employed such logic. The conversation went as follows:
Female Cousin (FC): I’m mad at you and we need to talk.
Me: Okay, well this is a good time, no one’s around. What’s the problem?
FC: Oh, so I should just talk to you now because it’s convenient for YOU?
Me (perplexed and irritated): Umm… I would suggest that you do because there is a statute of limitations on my give-a-fuck.
There. That’s how you handle “chicks” who employ chick logic. I can’t deal with it… and it DEFINITELY exists.
Before anyone asks, here’s The Daily Double:
Answer: 34D tag and big pink bunny tattoo.
Question: What are, things on X’s back?
Ding, ding, ding, ding!!!
But just how deep does the rabbit hole go?
I’m sorry I asked, I don’t really want the answer. It’s better as a surprise. unless it doesn’t go deep enough, or it leads to someplace other than Wonderland.
What the hell am I even talking about? Somebody slap me ! LOL!
Damn, I guess you guys are gonna have to add a disclaimer to the blog. I always that when folks say “women ___ or men ___” it’s given that it doesn’t mean that ALL or even MOST. Yet, people continue to argue this moot point every.single.day.
That should read:
Damn, I guess you guys are gonna have to add a disclaimer to the blog. I always thought that when folks say “women ___ or men ___” it’s given that it doesn’t mean ALL or even MOST. Yet, people continue to argue this moot point every.single.day.
Hmm. A couple years ago, I’d be here agreeing with many people about the pitfalls of chick logic.
However, chick logic is just a term we’re using to apply to female behavior that we don’t *want* to understand.
I’m not going to say I understand chick logic, but I do know that there are things about me, things that I do, that a woman could find puzzling or even contradictory.
I disagree with the statement that adult communication should be bereft of body language and other non-verbal cues. On the contrary, that is what enriches our experiences with other people, especially those that we care deeply about.
Think about the look your girl or your man gives you just before they’re about to pounce. . . Sometimes its those non-verbal things that can stoke the hottest fires or instill a feeling of calm or happiness in you from across a crowded room.
I think in good adult relationships, we recognize our differences. We are already tolerant with our loved ones when they get mad at us and take out their frustrations on us. That’s a part of what it means to be someone’s support. However, at some point, they too must realize that there is a limit to what the other can take, forsee, or intuit and break out the english language (or whatever one your prefer) and unambiguously communicate what is bothering them.
Taking Panama’s example, what should have happened after she got mad at him for turning his back on her is to stop getting madder at Panama for his action but explain what it was about it that bothered her and describe what she was feeling at the time. “I’m sorry Mr. Jackson, I am for real. You made me so mad at you then I turned my back on you” *that rhymed in my head. . anyways. . .* Even if the reasons seem irrational, when you feel angry, ignored, marginalized, it can be easy to see innocent actions as something else.
Then Panama could have gently put his hands under her chin, murmured some apologies to her, she’d sigh and let herself be captured in his arms and before you know it, Panama would find that he’s probably not sleeping for at least another 30 minutes. Then they’ll wake up in the morning with no idea of what even started the argument in the first place.
so well put!!! I agree with you all the way!
i’d like to add.. i think, or like to think, that chick logic subsides a bit as we mature and grow into ourselves.
thus, chick logic becomes obsolete because you no longer feel the NEED to justify your emotions. the fact that you feel that way is justification enough for feeling that way (yeah run that back in your head).
i’m allowed to feel what i feel, it’s only when i stop communicating like a big Chick and cross over into trying to use “logic” to rationalize that which is illogical that it becomes.. nutto.
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I, for one, cannot come up with a reasonable explanation for the actions of your ex, except to say that THE BITCH IS CRAZY. But then, she’s you’re ex, so I’m sure you figured that out eventually.
I wouldn’t say this is a good example of chick logic, since crazy bitches are, by definition, totally illogical.
However, I will grant that men and women think very differently.
My theory: women are crazy and men are stupid.
That is, women think too much and men don’t think enough. To top it off, the crazy-ass antics that women create (which they consider totally rational and justified) make men stupider, and the simplistic approach men take to things that women consider to be more complicated can drive a girl nuts.
It’s a wonder we haven’t gone extinct! Oh wait! ALCOHOL!
Haha
Much love Panama! <3
The problem is calling her behavior logical in any sense. The golden rule applies above “in the heat of moment” feelings. No one has to coax you into saying what you feel. If you’re going to talk all the time, at least be saying something worth hearing, and that’s coming from a woman.
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