changes

its common knowledge that, in regards to monogamous relationships, previously single men usually have to alter their behavior for it to work. since women come out the womb all nice and cuddly and “settled” already, we’re usually the ones who have to “settle down”, and this settling manifests as us “feminizing” our condos or changing our eating habits or deading the “penthouse letters” subscriptions in order to appease the female relationship Gods. whats uncommon knowledge is the fact that women need to change their janky behaviors too.

regardless of your gender, you can’t continue to do single person sh*t (sps) when you’re in a relationship. there are changes you hafta make, changes a bit deeper than “stop f*ckin his uncle” and “try to wear clean drawers everyday”. today, as a joint venture from the verysmartbrothas and the creatures living in the comeback girl’s bed, will identify a couple behaviors each gender should probably alter if they want to keep a happy home and sh*t

men

1. no nightclubs

you show me a “relationship” man that still goes clubbing twice a week and I’ll show you a man that’s hanging for dear life on the edge of the cheating cliff, like a metal-wire water bra on aretha. typically, a man doesn’t go clubbing to “chill with his boys” or to “dance or get drunk” (well, straight men at least). if we’re consistently at the club, and it’s not related to our occupation in some way, it’s to find chicks to bag and bone. that’s it. there’s no other reason. we’re not built to be able to rub up against scantily clad lascivious hoochies and snizzles and just be okay with it. from sports bars and fantasy sports to barbershops and bbq’s, we have tons of other opportunities to bond and sh*t. for men, night clubs ain’t for bonding or chillin. they’re for booty.

oddly enough, strip clubs don’t count. in fact, women should be happy if their man and his boys hit nudie bars instead of nightclubs. unless he’s steve nash, the champ, or flavor flav, there’s pretty much no chance in hell he’ll be able to “bag” one of the strippers, regardless of how much he might think he wants to. sure, ladies, his pockets will be a little lighter and he’ll probably come home with the “SCOO” (strip-club odd odor), but he’ll definitely be coming back home to you that night, and that’s all that should be important.

2. change convos with the enemy

(a relatively harmless random convo between a single man and a woman)

woman: “you know what, I’ve been really horny for some reason recently. It’s like I’ve been fantasizing about every man that I see”

man “word?…damn. expound. what do you mean? explain, please. in detail.”

(a relatively harmless random AIM convo between an attached man and a single woman.)

woman: “you know what, I’ve been really horny for some reason recently. It’s like I’ve been fantasizing about every man that I see”

man: “you’re crazy. did I tell you about this great omelet I made this morning?”

woman: “did you make your omelet with a heated skillet? just asking because i’ve been trying to find a way to incorporate one in the bedroom. did i ever tell you about the time in the greyhound bathroom with the dominican twins…”

a man in a serious, committed relationship needs to quickly figure out one thing: most women are a*sholes that will subtlety mention some “innocent” sexual detail whenever they get an opportunity, just to f*ck with you.

honestly, I don’t think they can even help it. its like they have conferences about this stuff in some secret compartment underneath the stalls of the women’s bathroom at williams sonoma…

(“we’ve just received word from the head office in Columbus, Ohio that the champ is in a relationship now. ladies, from now on, at least once a week while you talk to him, you have to bring up something regarding your vagina. bonus points will be passed out if you mention squirting.”)

even though its “innocent” and you have no intentions on stepping outside of the relationship, the conversations about “horniness”, “horseback riding”, and “lotioning” cannot be co-signed. every response must be either a literal “smh”, followed by “you crazy and sh*t”. that’s it. don’t ask, don’t inquire, don’t even respond with a smiley face, or you’re be sliding down the vaginal wetness induced slippery slope of cheating.

women

1. shut the f*ck up

i don’t mean in general (well, actually I kind of do, lol, but that’s a different topic), but do everything you can to suppress your urge to tell all of your close girlfriends, your mom, your mom’s homegirl janice, ms. anna from the daycare, your stylist, and that cool barista at the corner seattle’s best every intimate detail about you and your man. you’re not single anymore, which means the days of you blabbing your mouth about his wang and his income and that mysterious rash on his ankle are over. give your girls the play-by-play about the cats you’re just dating and that mailman who’s been breaking your back twice a month. once you’re with a dude and actually trying to make things work, exercise those miranda rights. unless they’re plotting to steal your man, your lonely ass girlfriends don’t wanna hear that sh*t anyway

2. stop pretending…

…that all of your platonic guy “friends” don’t want to f*ck you.

when you’re single, its okay to allow yourself to believe this bullsh*t. to me, this intentional ignorance is actually kind of cute and endearing, like a puppy trying to run on a treadmill.

“sure, kimmie, just because he offered to install your new dryer and drive the old one out to the recycling center for you, doesn’t mean he’s into you or anything at all. he’s obviously just a really, really, really nice guy, who had nothing better to do at 6am sunday morning”

once you’re in a relationship though, its time to be real with yourself. continually denying that this exists will do nothing but anger your man, who will wonder if you have something to hide, or if you’re too much of an imbecile to notice it.

that’s it for now. did I miss anything?

—the champ

451 thoughts on “changes

    • I disagree with it too Liz.. I have been with my husband for 7 years. I have 2 guy friends that have been there since day 1. 1 is a bonafied Ginuwine (bachelor) and the other is married. We have a good thang. My married friends gal took longer to get on the bandwagon (me and her have our own seperate issues aside from him) but we all cool now. The friendship did have to change and spouses had to be included but its still there and just as strong.

      • yeahhhh. i mean i admit it feels a little weird to have a man and then a male BFF….i may have to try this out in a more healthy relationship tho to see how that pans out.

        • i may have to try this out in a more healthy relationship tho to see how that pans out.

          LOL yeah that might help.. .and let your guy know early on that you have a male BFF.. I mean he might not meet him to later but he should know about him…..and keep your time seperate. when you are with your man you are with your man

          • The problem is I have a lot of male friends who I hold dear to my heart :( So it’s not just one, it’s a whole crew. I would never think about gettin with one of them neither! it just happens to work out that way, gender-wise.

        • You shouldn’t have a man and a BMFF. One would forever be overstepping the bounds of the other.

          If your man isn’t your BMFF, something’s not right.

    • Liz, I’m not sure about #2 either. Why is it so hard to understand that, while a dude MAY entertain what you look like outside your work clothes, he values your friendship more and does do you favors cause he wants to? I think its sad to reduce every good deed on the part of a guy to wanting s*x…maybe it is just me.

        • Me too Vdot, I’m always told that a dude will like me and I’m real oblivious to it. But I’m saying, one of my best guy friends and I grew up together, and he is married! I’m the only one of his lady friends that is allowed to kick it with him. My best friend sadly isnt lol. I have to hide when I go there solo cause she gets upset…and understandably so. She just is a huge flirt, and I don’t play that. I’m hyper conscious of what I say and to whom I say it to.

          • Hmmm very good point. I have to say there were times when I didn’t realize the guy friend was into me, but looking back on it, I think I did know on some level. That said, I have some flirty guy friends who definitely do not want me – they just get an ego kick from being a flirt because they like how women respond. Men I’ve dated have said I was being oblivious about Flirty Guy 1 and Flirty Guy 2, but I know them and they’re just that way – it doesn’t mean anything.

      • Ok so for my wet blanket lol. I am just thinking aloud here. We often think of cheating in physical terms, maybe even emotional. Is there such a thing as intellectual cheating? We all admire, respect or even desire someone on different levels, and we agree its how you act on it that matters. But, just as there is emotional infidelity, can there be intellectual infidelity? We find others attractive on a ‘platonic’ level, but it is still based on real needs that might not be met at home.

        How do you perceive your mate finding constant mental stimulation in say, Jaguaree-ree, but not letting it go further?

        If this is not coherent, its late, I’m on deadline, and VSB be dat crack!

        • is the partner ONLY finding mental stimulation is jaguaree-ree (this name is horrendous, by the way!)?? i mean, mental stimulation is one my short list of things my mate must be able to provide for me. so, if im not getting it, then i dont know that we will last!

          on the other hand, if tis just supplemental. like for instance, my hubby is the type thats not particularly interested in my field of study and i have a good friend that i work with who is willing to entertain such blather…i dont know that i see anything wrong with that. i’ll have to think more on it.

          • I agree Shatani. Brains and intellectual stamina usually appeal to me, so if brotha had great conversation, similar passions and was smart, I wonder if it could be a dangerous situation. It just depends I guess…

    • I believe #2 100%.

      If even for just a fleeting moment…every man with whom you’ve ever made an acquaintance has thought about having s3x with you (prayerfully, sans relatives). And most, if given a chance, would hop right on up on it.

      Any woman who doesn’t believe this is either (a) giving men waaay too much credit or (b) PRETENDING. Just like Mr. Champs said.

      • PBG, I hear you, and I do believe that it starts off physical for a lot of dudes, but when I said this:

        Why is it so hard to understand that, while a dude MAY entertain what you look like outside your work clothes, he values your friendship more and does do you favors cause he wants to?

        What I meant was, it can start that way, but can’t it fade and move into a meaningful, platonic relationship? Never mind fleeting thoughts as long as there is a recognition of the fullness potential of relationships and what makes them work.

        • “can’t it fade and move into a meaningful, platonic relationship?”

          Yes, it can. But usually that only happens after all traces of hope he may have had have been throughly extinguished, *or* he’s in a fulfilling relationship of his own. But if it hasn’t been long enough, or he’s single, or in an unhappy relationship, then he still likes you and he still has very real hope of you and him getting together.

          • “But usually that only happens after all traces of hope he may have had have been throughly extinguished, *or* he’s in a fulfilling relationship of his own”

            I dont think the hope is ever gone . . . maybe that is just my youth speaking . . . but a good friend of mine from high school told me that her husband had a problem with her hanging out with me until he knew me in a group setting. . . she thought it was ridiculous. . . I told her he is a smart man. . . I’ve known this girl for 12 years . . . situations have happened between myself and a mutual friend after the same 12 years and her saying she wanted nothing to do with me in high school. Believe in the power of hope. . .and the slow bake (I don’t know who to credit for that but I read it on this site). . .LoL

            • I dont think the hope is ever gone . . .

              from a woman’s perspective i believe this to be true. i have had some college guy friends who liked me (i was very naive and didn’t find out until later when i was called a tease on multiple occassions) and even tho i said i just wanted to be friends, and even when i was in a serious relationship, they were always around to try and pick up from where we started. i see some dudes now, even after all these years, who will lay the cards on the table and hope i’ll fold.

      • Any woman who doesn’t believe this is either (a) giving men waaay too much credit or (b) PRETENDING. Just like Mr. Champs said.

        I disagree PGB. me and both of my male friends have been friends s.e.x free for over 15 years now at some point I am sure they have entertained the thought. He.ll after a few bitter breakups in high school and college I entertained the thought.. but for whatever reason I could never see them like that and they never came at me like that however I know 100 percent that right now those guys are not just my friend but my family. He.ll they are even the godfathers of my daughter. My husband kicks it with 1 of them on the regular, the other is married and we all have bbqs and parties together. in fact my husbands birthday is on the 20th and all of us are going out to celebrate! I dont think ninjas is sticking around 15 years on some.. its gonna be me shyt…

            • This may be funny on paper but MOST ninja’s will jump at the chance to hit it, if the opportunity presents itself. I mentioned this before when VSB had this as it’s main topic, that this happened with a female friend that I knew since we were 8 years old.

              • Thank you, eff.

                Too many woman are living in denial of the base nature of men. S3x and competition for s3x (and all the things that bring s3x, i.e. status, $$$, big cars, and in my case, Krispy Kreme donuts) is their primary driving force. Please, don’t sleep on that. Look at any random guy right now. He’s probably thinking about s3x, just thought about it or about to think about it.

                There are some of my sistern that will say “Oh, not my husband/S.O./BFF”. Whatever, hunny bunny…yes yes yours too. You just have happened upon a guy who has risen above allowing his base nature control him and chosen to adhere to a level of propriety that will respect the relationship he has w/you. But don’t think for one minute he ain’t lookin’ @ your a$$ when you walk away or checkin’ for them tittays when you have on a low-cut top…just a’thinkin’.

                And when they seem to “not notice” when you’re pushing up on them/showing a little [read: any] interest in them and/or their nether regions, don’t fall for it. It’s an act. Every man is wired to detect that shyt right away. So unless he’s a social dullard or perpetually high, he knows the deal.

                As do you, my sistern when your lil’ canoe docks on the banks of the mighty River of De’Nile.

              • You just have happened upon a guy who has risen above allowing his base nature control him and chosen to adhere to a level of propriety that will respect the relationship he has w/you. But don’t think for one minute he ain’t lookin’ @ your a$$ when you walk away or checkin’ for them tittays when you have on a low-cut top…just a’thinkin’.

                PBG, thats the thing. I for one believe that more men shold try to rise above their base nature. But if he’s MY man and he’s looking at MY body, i mean…who wants a man who isn’t into s*x??

              • Here’s the key, Sis. Overit:

                “…chosen to adhere to a level of propriety that will respect the relationship he has w/you. “

                If he is your man, that is the relationship he has w/you, in which case he should be trying to tap that, superbly, every dayum chance he gets.

                @Peyso: Me too. Teeeheee!

              • all I can say is this, your experience is not mine. I have 3 people I consider friends 1 gal and two guys so I dont use the term loosely. I have lived at some point with all three of them. These guys are not unattractive nor am I. However these guys have been there at the lowest and highest points of my life. Taken me in when Ididnt have anywhere to go, fed me when hungry, etc etc. I mean if you guys have never had a platonic friendship then thats fine, it doesnt mean it does not happen, it just never happened to you for whatever reason; and at this point it probably wont happen because adult men and women are not looking for friends they are looking for mates and its way less likely that a 30 year old guy is looking for a friend while an 11 year old probably is. I think its sad though my male friends dont compete with me, they dont try to outdo me for attention, they dont get into petty arguments about what I said vs what I meant, and they allow me to be me without all the bullshyt. Like I said most people dont have friends period male or female that date back 2 decades so I consider myself privileged but living in denial? I think not.

        • You must have found them repulsive physically, to not have succumubed in all that time, especially in thos high school adn early college years. And those cats *knew* they didn’t haev a chance – that’s why they didn’t really try.

          If a woman is appealing, the very instant a guy thinks he *might* have a real shot at something that could develop into a real relationship, he’s gonna snap to it.

        • Here’s the key, Sis. Overit:

          “…chosen to adhere to a level of propriety that will respect the relationship he has w/you. “

          If he is your man, that is the relationship he has w/you, in which case he should be trying to tap that, superbly, every dayum chance he gets.

          Preach! I agree wholeheartedly.

          *grabs tambourine and yells praise HIM*

    • How about instead of eliminating this rule we revise it then? If a dude is your “friend” and he aint HAPPILY married, gay and/or you’ve known less than 6.5 years he is trying to f*ck you and thus you shouldnt hang out with him?

      • Hey Peyso! OK, first of all why was friend in quotations? lol.

        I can see that if a dude is not happily married, gay or new to your life he might be trying to touch you on your inside parts (sorry 8th!) but 6.5 years? It takes less than that to let a guy know it aint goin down like that.

    • #2 works both ways… dudes aren’t the only ones who entertain those thoughts about a so called platonic friendship. Females do it to. All those female friends you have…those “homegirls”, “sorors”, “choir members”, “bible study buddy”, etc., etc. They aren’t all “just your friend”. It goes both ways!

    • I’m gonna agree with Liz on this one. I have close guy friends that I’ve known since elementary school and it’s strictly platonic.

        • yeah i always wonder how folks know relationships are platonic? did y’all ninjas have that convo? or is it just assumed from one end.

          i think most “platonic” friendships are assumed, not factual.

          • i think most “platonic” friendships are assumed, not factual.

            really, what about your friends of the same s.e.x did you have that convo with them.. did you formally ask them to be your best friend or did they become your friend through a combination of shared experiences…

            • well, with friends of the same chex, you probably become best friends thru shared experiences, but it takes for somebody to say it first…somebody always says “this is my best friend’ first…next thing yo know it becomes common knowledge b/c its been put into the universe.

              so there.

      • I mean yes maybe one point in time SOMEBODY thinks about it, but usually its on some “ew that’s gross” answer, after the fact. There is no LUSTING and FANTASIZING for weeks and sh!t.

    • I read on SBM, about a test you can use on your “friend” to see if he’s strickly just a friend. Put on a trench coat with nothing on underneath and go to the so called friends house. When he opens the door, open the trench and see what his reaction is, and that will determine whether you two are “just friends”.

      • This is very true. If my homeboy tried that sh*t I would double foot drop kick him in the chest. However, let one of my good “home girls”. It might be on and popping.

      • Every single man should fail this so called test. You realize goin to a dudes house like this is basically a green light. If you arent really going and you did this to me I would cut you from my circle. Just because I banged you when you come thru near nekkit dont mean I aint your friend it means you came to get what was comin to you when you dress like that.

        Personally I hate it when girls do tests like this. Its juvenile.

      • I read on SBM, about a test you can use on your “friend” to see if he’s strickly just a friend. Put on a trench coat with nothing on underneath and go to the so called friends house. When he opens the door, open the trench and see what his reaction is, and that will determine whether you two are “just friends”.

        I hope that most of the women who read this have sense enough not to do this mess.

        • read on SBM, about a test you can use on your “friend” to see if he’s strickly just a friend. Put on a trench coat with nothing on underneath and go to the so called friends house. When he opens the door, open the trench and see what his reaction is, and that will determine whether you two are “just friends”.
          uhhh why would you do that to your friend?? would you do that to your brother? the same rules of impropriety apply.. I dont do anything with them that I wouldnt with my brother..however they have seen me in a towel getting out of the shower and such thangs…

          • however they have seen me in a towel getting out of the shower and such thangs…

            exactly who is the ‘they’ in this sentence? *side eye* cause ain’t none of my boy seen me getting out the shower with a towel on.

            • exactly who is the ‘they’ in this sentence? *side eye* cause ain’t none of my boy seen me getting out the shower with a towel on.

              my male friends…. one moved in with me in high school, and one I stayed with in college…..no s.e.x involved

              • Sounds like those suckas were trapped in the “friend-zone” (cue creepy theme music from the Twilight Zone).

        • I hope that most of the women who read this have sense enough not to do this mess.

          you and me both…

  1. I think I agree with everything here, oddly enough. Even the strip club thing.

    On a side note I’ve gone to a strip club (twice…with two different boyfriends) and watched my guy get a lap dance. It was harmless, the strippers were trying to earn a bill and weren’t checking for him and the chex was great later on) and I recommend this to couples as a once in a blue moon ‘treat’.

    I do, however, have some doubt about the statement that ALL my guy friends want to sleep with me. Some are just that…friends. Actually, I think they’re all exes…

    Never mind.

    • On a side note I’ve gone to a strip club (twice…with two different boyfriends) and watched my guy get a lap dance. It was harmless, the strippers were trying to earn a bill and weren’t checking for him and the chex was great later on) and I recommend this to couples as a once in a blue moon ‘treat’.

      I worked at a strip club as a waitress so … I dont mind my husband going as long as 1. no bill money is involved (we have discretionary ‘play funds” use that son) 2 its not an every wed, sat sun thang and to not frequent the ones that where 30 dollars get you an oral assisted happy ending…

      • I’m not at all uptight about my man enjoying certain things. infrequently, key word.

        one summer during college I worked at Playboy as an editorial assistant. I got my fiance a bunch of mags from the library. Some of my friends were outraged but I figured it was just a magazine. It wasn’t like it was Hustler or Black Tail…

        • got my fiance a bunch of mags from the library. Some of my friends were outraged but I figured it was just a magazine. It wasn’t like it was Hustler or Black Tail…

          I dont see nothing wrong with it.. I have brought my husband a playboy and a porno or too.. I got him the Vanessa del rio ultimate collection for his birthday 1 year…..

        • Seriously, I often don’t understand the upheaval about men clubs, magazines, strip clubs etc… etc…

          We human beings really like to behave as gods, as if we can prevent folks from doing what they want to do. If him looking at a pron magazine is going to break us apart, then I guess it was not that crazy-glue bond I thought we had.

          I believe in self-regulation (not of the markets though, that libertarian bs is for the birdies).

          If PlayBoy does us in, we certainly weren’t meant to be happy rabbits.

          • haha. Yeah I agree on this one. I don’t care if guys read those magazines. The only thing that would bother me if a guy starts comparing me to the women in the magazines and then it’s a problem.

            • “The only thing that would bother me if a guy starts comparing me to the women in the magazines and then it’s a problem.”

              What do you mean by “comparing”. Like your man is looking at his weekly playboy and says to himself, “damn she’s built, I wish I can trade my girls @ss for her’s” or “My girl is cute, but this girl is this picture got bigger breast”

              • Yeah it would be best to keep these things private, because then I may be looking at Pron and looking at your wang sideways, like why isn’t yours as thick and long as his. Maybe we need to call the number for Extensive…..yeah that doesn’t sound too great does it?

              • “Yeah it would be best to keep these things private, because then I may be looking at Pron and looking at your wang sideways, like why isn’t yours as thick and long as his. Maybe we need to call the number for Extensive…..yeah that doesn’t sound too great does it?”

                Actually that sounds about right. Women just don’t look at pron just for that artistic aspect. they get improper thoughts just like males, and for the sake of the relationship we keep those thoughts in our heads. I just brought that up to see what Leila meant by comparing. I personally think we all (men and women) do it in some form or another. I don’t think nobody in their right mind would openly compare there SO to a nude model let alone someone else . . . unless they have a death wish.

    • Yeah, I can’t really be mad at #2. Most of my (great) guy friends are exes. It’s a very fine line, but I can see how it can be uncomfortable.

      • Yeah, I can’t really be mad at #2. Most of my (great) guy friends are exes. It’s a very fine line, but I can see how it can be uncomfortable.

        see I am not a big fan of the ex as a friend yall know my motto… a woman that has seen my mans d!ck cant be his friend or mine…and vice versa

          • Actually, some of my exes actually are! :) I believe in staying civilized. We’ve shared something, it might not have worked but we are friends first and foremost. Now it doesn’t mean we call each other everyday and what not. But once in a while, a “how are you doing?” is really not a bad deal.

            Funny story, one of my ex is getting married to another ex’s sister in December… And I am invited!! :D Small friggin’ world I tell ya.

          • hmm now I dont have any ana with any of my exes.. I had to let that go to be happy in my current relationship (for the ones that were on that bullshyt) and I am cordial with all of them and wish them all well but I dont consider us friends…… I wouldnt reject their fb or myspace requests though..

          • I actually think my exes would get along with each other and/or a current boyfriend. Maybe I’m crazy.

            Never tried to introduce anyone, though.. Didn’t want to risk it. Just in case I was wrong.

            • Never tried to introduce anyone, though.. Didn’t want to risk it. Just in case I was wrong.

              personality wise they might be similar because of the type of guy you like maybe in a nother time and space you are right.. LOL but uh in reality I think you made a wise decision to not introduce them I think at that point they may have 1 to many things in common….

    • “I do, however, have some doubt about the statement that ALL my guy friends want to sleep with me. Some are just that…friends. Actually, I think they’re all exes…”

      I’d like to offer a little experiment that my girlfriend tried at one point after we had this convo about platonic friendships we both had.

      Ask them.

      Ask your male friends if they’d hit if the right opportunity presented itself (i.e. nobody would get stabbed if you two were to pop champagne)

      Hell, send a text like she did and see how many come back, “no, never in a million years would i want to see you naked and invade your country!”

      • OK PJ, that is just awkward. No thanks! lol…my point is, I know that its possible, and probably true.

        Does there come a point where you decide you like your lady friend past her arse? Does personality, character, and all that warm, fuzzy stuff make any impact?

        Yall dudes really need to get it together!

        • of course it does, you all are friends for those reasons. we’re talking platonic friends and i think most women assume a relationship is platonic b/c they have no desire to sleep with the dude.

          essentially, y’all are full of sh*t. “it’s platonic b/c i don’t want him.” that’s not platonic, that’s friends-by-default.

          • of course it does, you all are friends for those reasons. we’re talking platonic friends and i think most women assume a relationship is platonic b/c they have no desire to sleep with the dude.

            that and that he dont want to sleep with me lol. i really didnt think s*x was even part of the equation after we’re cool.

            this mars venus shyt is annoying.

      • Ask your male friends if they’d hit if the right opportunity presented itself (i.e. nobody would get stabbed if you two were to pop champagne)

        now I actually had this convo with my unmarried friend.. he told me that in high school he would have but by the time we went to college we had been through to much to ruin it… his mom was killed in his senior year of highschool, he moved in with us after that.

    • no new best friends of the opposite s3x

      aww he.ll to the yess on this one.. I came to the relationship with friends that were introduced very early on….aint no new friends coming to the party unless they are OUR friends… so If I dont know you you dont know him chick….

    • “no new best friends of the opposite s3x

      once you enter into a relationship your new friends are our new friends (period)”

      Bethlehem Fire Baptized Holiness Apostolic Church of God

      (I ride past this church on the way home everyday and the name cracks me up! LMAO)

      • @PBG, where is this church(Bethlehem Fire Baptized Holiness Apostolic Church of God)? my line sister and I are always textin each other names of Churches that are entirely too descriptive and ridiculous

      • PBG, STOP THE MADNESS! Lmao, where is this?? You know I will go out of my way to gps it going to work lol. I just might skip the car pool for this adventure. Why??

        Amen!!

        **Thursday night – Potluck supper. Prayer, counseling and medication to follow**

        • @overit

          **Thursday night – Potluck supper. Prayer, counseling and medication to follow**

          LMAO!!!

          please tell me that is a typo and you meant “meditation to follow”

          what church you going to where they follow counseling with medication.

          LOL

          • please tell me that is a typo and you meant “meditation to follow”

            LMAO. Actually I was trying to be outrageous and thought medicine was pretty unacceptable. However, I like this meditation, and so lets all pretend that’s what it was.

        • That church is right off Benning Road in NE. I’ve been trying to get a pic of it’s placard for a month, but Mother drives too fast and crazy on the way home.

          It’s funny because the name is so long but the building is so little. Looks like it used to be a storage unit or something.

          • PBG, I am determined to document this. Do we need to start an outrageous church name scrapbook? Am I the only one into scrapbooking? We could put that glitter to good use…

            crickets: umm overit, my friends and i are here, where should we set up?

            So moving right along, yeah PBG, I am adding that to my list of sights in DC. Speaking of, remind me to tell you about the gallery I went to today, at the HH.

            • I am totally down for riding around the city looking for crazy church names. DC is full of them.

              Second New St. Paul Baptist…always puzzling to me.

              If it’s “second”, how is it still “new”? And is this a satellite location? Where is the first one?

              Questions, I has them.

            • “crickets: umm overit, my friends and i are here, where should we set up?”

              You know what, I quit you.

            • i just revived myself and here you go putting me back on oxygen *taking deep breaths into O2 mask*

              anyway, i’m into scrapbooking too e-twin!!! i have about 34908 scrapping projects i’ve been meaning to start and i just have stuff piled in boxes waiting to be glued, glittered, accented and immortalized. *smh* i blame grad school….

              p.s. i’m still waiting for my Seuss shout out on FB *tapping foot impatiently*

      • LOL

        I have heard of a church called “The Church of Fire and Miracles*

        I wonder if the miracle is putting out or starting up the fire?..lol

        • There’s a church name similar to this in DC too, right on Bladensburg Road, again…Norfeas.

          What is wrong w/my neighborhood churches?? Dang!

    • I agree–new friends should be our new friends.

      When you start making new friends of the opposite sex, there may be something else going on that needs checked.

      Also I think some things you need to keep to yourself.

      One of my exes used to get mad because I would always have something nice to say about my co-worker – John. John was a natural commedian and every day he would do something to make me laugh. But just because I thought it was funny, I guess I shouldn’t have been sharing it with my ex-boyfriend. I tried to explain to him that John and I were just friends and was just some dude I hung out with at work. Once we left work, I didn’t talk to John.

    • “once you enter into a relationship your new friends are our new friends (period)”

      You got that right.

    • I totally agree with this. I actually just met this guy and he’s trying to be my best homie, but he has a fiancee. Sorry not interested in meeting new guy friends, I have enough. And if I was your chick, it wouldn’t sit right with me. Good day.

  2. 1. shut the f*ck up

    I have to agree with this one though and especially when it comes to family…yo moma dont need to know everything that goes on and you need to stop running to them for support when you know you dead a$$ wrong especially if they are not going to tell you the truth and keep you hyped up on some bullshyt.

    • I pound the gavel on this one Shay-d. Don’t be mad when your whole family hates your man cause YOU done ran your mouth about private affairs.

      • yeah, a member of my family ran into this problem. she basically made us hate her boyfriend, AND THEN wondered why my parents REFUSED to allow this fellow into our house…

        ole dumb belle, its your fault.

    • while the champ listed that under the women’s list, I think this also applies to men, cause sometimes kneegrow your momma asking me questions about stuff I only told you about makes me want to throat punch your momma

      • while the champ listed that under the women’s list, I think this also applies to men, cause sometimes kneegrow your momma asking me questions about stuff I only told you about makes me want to throat punch your momma

        EXACTLY IH.. and in fact my post was in regards to a man that did that shyt..in fact his momma would call me up trying to ” see what the f!ck was going on” sad to say his momma caught me at a bad time and got cussed entirely, viciously the f!ck out……

        • “sad to say his momma caught me at a bad time and got cussed entirely, viciously the f!ck out……”

          LOL

          I can honestly say that I never did this to the ex’s mom, but she got plenty of eye rolls and side eye’s in her face too.

          • I can honestly say that I never did this to the ex’s mom, but she got plenty of eye rolls and side eye’s in her face too.

            I come from a long line of cussers and a$$ w hoopers in fact my aunt (she is 58)just had to get pulled off a ninja today while trying to plan the thanksgiving dinner…(he said something about her dressing being runny and it was on in that biatch!@!! She came across that table like she had super powers) that being saidI was raised not to take that bullshyt…. I can only hold it in for so long before I have to let it out…he.ll my mother in law has caught the wrath once or twice…

            • is her dressing runny?

              lol.

              he should have known better. You cannot tell a woman over 50 her food is not ‘all that’.

              My brother told my mom my sweet potato pie was a lil better than hers (it’s not). Do you think she’s made one since? Nope. lol.

              • LMAO @ Shay-d, your stories are always so wild! Keep em coming:)

                LMAO I got plenty of these.. he.ll my aunts and uncles get to fighting at least 1 a month.. the holidays are always prime time for some foolishness…liquor gets to flowing and shyt thats been held in for 50 years gets put out there….add to that the fact that there are3 different religions(Christianity, Islam and a loose a$$ Hare Krishna), a crack head, a pimp, a prostitute and a wealth of legitimate and illigitimate children and they mommas cause my grandma invites who she likes not who you with….and there you have it

              • she IS!!!! we say that tyler got that from her all the time..but this just shows that the character is based in some truth and not completely over the top…my auntie is known for that table diving and slapping ninjas in the back of the head

      • while the champ listed that under the women’s list, I think this also applies to men, cause sometimes kneegrow your momma asking me questions about stuff I only told you about makes me want to throat punch your momma

        CO-SIGN. guys are guilty of this, especially the ones who never really left their mamas!

        • You know, an ex fiance called MY momma under the guise of concern, said he thought I was ‘doing too much’ (I was in grad school and working) and that I needed more rest. Really he wanted to complain that I wasn’t planning the wedding.

          My mom caught on real quick and told him, in short, a) to keep couple business at home, b) ask V.E.G. and himself why I wasn’t making any wedding plans and c) that she was the wrong audience for his gripes.

          Needless to say I called that mess off a few weeks later. The audacity!

            • Yes. he called my momma.

              I was out done. He did not know that my mother is not gonna sit and listen to some nonsense about me. lol.

              He was a sucka. Shared all our relationship biz with his fam and his friends.

          • You know, an ex fiance called MY momma under the guise of concern, said he thought I was ‘doing too much’ (I was in grad school and working) and that I needed more rest. Really he wanted to complain that I wasn’t planning the wedding.

            This is circumventing protocol if I’ve ever seen it. I would have been red hot, heated, blown, and DONE. I love how your mom let him know what time it was though, my mom would have done the same thing.

            • I’ve had chicks call my mom and even become buddy-buddy with her like it’s going to influence my decision. Needless to say, it didn’t work. In addition, going through my brother and/or sister never did anything either.

          • Wow. That’s just uncalled for! He deserves to be stripped of his man privileges for that one.

            Seriously, Burt Renyolds, Jim Brown and Chuck Norris should go to this guy’s house, slap him around, paint a scarlet “B” on his forehead, and then order him pee sitting down for the next 8 months.

    • “I have to agree with this one though and especially when it comes to family…yo moma dont need to know everything that goes on and you need to stop running to them for support when you know you dead a$$ wrong especially if they are not going to tell you the truth and keep you hyped up on some bullshyt.”

      I agree with this point as well. Quick story: my bf and I was cool with this other couple. I would tell my girl something (not necessarily relationship related) and I would hear it back from my bf. So it went from me to her, to her bf, to my bf and back to me. Neither one of them knew how to bite their tongue.

      It’s little things like this why I limit going into details about my relationship. This is especially true if we are having problems.

  3. what other behavior has to change…..
    I cant speak for all women but I know for me I had to work on “being right” sometimes I would get all caught up in being right and having the last word that something as small as starting the dishwasher would turn into world war 3…. I learned early on that a lot of that shyt aint worth it and he cant be the one that always has to give in and apologize.

    • I have been guilty of this as well.

      I have learned that opinions are important but not more so than feelings.

      Sometimes it’s frustrating, others rewarding. Baby Steps.

      Ultimately, the s/o and I are happier (especially since he’s as stubborn as I am and we are learning 2gether. :) )

    • Agreed. Sometimes.. actually, most of the time, it’s better to be nice than to try to be right, especially over something stupid. I just keep quiet and keep it movin.

    • Shay-d-lady,

      I’m still working on that because I’m always right…LOL

      But seriously, we have to learn to pick our battles wisely. Some things we should just let go. Regardless of how men might whine, men know when we’re right and we’re they’re not :)

      • “I’m still working on that because I’m always right…LOL”

        i know a chick who SWEARS that she is literally always right in her arguments with her husband to which i ask, why would you marry a man who’s never been right a day in his life?

        she loves him though.

        • why would you marry a man who’s never been right a day in his life?

          lmao good question, Peej.

    • “I learned early on that a lot of that shyt aint worth it and he cant be the one that always has to give in and apologize”

      *panama jackson temple of the holy clone wars this side of the crusades on that side of the war of 1812 amazing grace sweet sound sanctuary of the steeple baptist reunion church*

  4. “(”we’ve just received word from the head office in Columbus, Ohio that the champ is in a relationship now. ladies, from now on, at least once a week while you talk to him, you have to bring up something regarding your vagina. bonus points will be passed out if you mention squirting.”)”

    I’ll do no such thing.

    And my male friends don’t want me like that, and I refuse to think any different, thank you.

    • “(”we’ve just received word from the head office in Columbus, Ohio that the champ is in a relationship now. ladies, from now on, at least once a week while you talk to him, you have to bring up something regarding your vagina. bonus points will be passed out if you mention squirting.”)”

      men do this shyt too.. I cant tell you how many times I have had to hear a step by step breakdown of some dudes oral technique after I have asked to borrow his white out.. uh really dude? really?

        • LOL

          me-hey .. you got some white out I can borrow?…

          RandomA$$ Dude -well shure anything for you.. you shole look good today
          me -thank you, do you have the white out?
          ..RAD-… so you married right…
          me-yeah
          RAD-umm umm ummm… thats a shame….
          I hope he realizes what he got
          me-yeah he does..look never mind about the white out
          RAD- here it is right here..shaking white out bottle..let me make sure its some in here….you might have to add a little lubrication to it.. laughing… lol what you know about lubrication…
          and it goes down hill from there

            • this just sounds like bad Pron

              LOL it always does.. I hate men that turn everything into a s.e.xual reference…. its not cute in any way shape form or fashion and most of the time they are disgusting in some pervy way or very unfortunate looking….

              • That is so true. And even if they aren’t unfortunate looking, they become less and less and less attractive with every unecessary reference.

              • That is so true. And even if they aren’t unfortunate looking, they become less and less and less attractive with every unecessary reference.

                exactly

              • “LOL it always does.. I hate men that turn everything into a s.e.xual reference…. its not cute in any way shape form or fashion and most of the time they are disgusting in some pervy way or very unfortunate looking….”

                This never happened to me up until recently (I must’ve been living in a bubble). We were all in a social setting and this dude felt the need to tell me he was packing and how great he was in bed. Ughh. His chances went from not a chance in hell to…ehh not a chance in hell.

                I figured if this ish was gonna happen it would be a club and not a spades party. But hoes are hoes no matter where you are.

      • “men do this shyt too.. I cant tell you how many times I have had to hear a step by step breakdown of some dudes oral technique after I have asked to borrow his white out.. uh really dude? really?”

        this is true..men have that same messy whatever you call it that alot of women have too.

    • “And my male friends don’t want me like that, and I refuse to think any different, thank you.”

      Seriously? Are they of the limp-wristed set? (NTTIAWWT)

      • “Are they of the limp-wristed set?”

        lol not in the least, I just enjoy a nice morning swim in d’nile.

        I know earlier in the game, they’d have done me (lol), I just hope that after 7 years of friendship, they’re over that by now.

        • D’Nile is right!!!! :)
          I don’t think they ever get over it.
          They’re just waiting in the wings and playing their position.
          If the opportunity presents itself, they will try. Don’t sleep.

          • “They’re just waiting in the wings and playing their position.
            If the opportunity presents itself, they will try. Don’t sleep.”

            *Greater New Hope Baptist*

            Q: Where is the “lesser”, and do they meet less frequently over there?

        • “I know earlier in the game, they’d have done me (lol), I just hope that after 7 years of friendship, they’re over that by now.”

          There’s only one way to find out if they are over that by now. . . and that’s offer up the goodies. Just watch and see what happens

          • “There’s only one way to find out if they are over that by now. . . and that’s offer up the goodies. Just watch and see what happens”

            That’s not a fair or accurate test…

          • “There’s only one way to find out if they are over that by now. . . and that’s offer up the goodies. Just watch and see what happens”

            I rebuke this message (c) CBG

        • “I know earlier in the game, they’d have done me (lol), I just hope that after 7 years of friendship, they’re over that by now.”

          7 years ain’t nothin’! studies have shown men can wait up to 20 years for a “it just just happened moment.” we’re biologically programmed to stake out for the poon. lol

          • we’re biologically programmed to stake out for the poon.

            *checking bio textbooks* he’s right. i’m reading that exact statement between all these lines lol

          • Fo Real though…20 years?!?!? I ain’t even a dude and will bet that no coochie is worth waiting 20 years for. But like I said, I’m no dude.

  5. guys: the buddies over chillin at the crib 24/8 must cease, it will cause one of two things, extreme irritation of your girl or you having to murder your childhood friend for saying some ol’ fraggle-naggle bullshat to your gal….

    • Co-sign Alise… and then after your friend says the wrong shyt to her, she will then respond with all the f!cked up shyt you told her about him and its on…..

    • “the buddies over chillin at the crib 24/8 must cease”

      Alise–high five for that one. I don’t want to see Tyrone & nem every time I come through the door. It’s okay on occasion–even on a weekly basis–like Monday night football or Sunday afternoon football—but every day of the week—like Whitney Houston–hell to the naw.

    • ” ol’ fraggle-naggle bullshat ”

      I hadn’t heard this a whole minute. You made me smile, you reminded me of a fling I had back in ’06 with a kat who used to say this.
      ::snicker::

  6. “most women are a*sholes that will subtlety mention some “innocent” sexual detail whenever they get an opportunity, just to f*ck with you.”

    Ha! Guilty as charged. But only one guy gets this torture, and he likes it! ok..now i can go back and read the comments

    • i’ve stopped doing this in recognition of the fact that it is a little effed up.

      i will, however, occasionally squeeze my booobs in front of my (ex)JO and certain guy friends just to see if i can’t get them a little hot and bothered. plus they’re weirdly comforting to touch. that may have been TMI…

      • “i will, however, occasionally squeeze my booobs in front of my (ex)JO and certain guy friends just to see if i can’t get them a little hot and bothered.”

        Ummmm……ok. hehe. Are they “taken” or is everyone still single?

        • two are taken (like wifed up taken), the others haven’t a chance in h3ll of even seeing a nip through an accidental slip of the bra even if they tried, so for now i’ll comfort myself that it’s all fun and games.

          • lol i know. but it’s payback for all the times they’ve grabbed/smacked my ass in “jest” or “jokingly” hoisted me into some shexual position cos they’re bigger than me – that ish isn’t funny after the first 40 times.

              • well, these are my white male friends who grab each others azzes just as much as they grab mine, so it really is all jokes.

                i should probably insert a “that’s what she said” after this statement.

              • looool none of my black guy friends have tried that in a situation where it would be questionable i.e. not at a party. when it happens, i’ll be sure to enjoy the sensation of a large, divinely crafted chocolate hand caressing my sweater puppies – until dude gets a backhand across the face into next week.

  7. I think bottom line once you get into a real committed relationship, man or woman you have to grow the f!ck up. This means stop the games or tests to see if he/she really loves you, say what you mean and mean what you say… respect their feelings and emotions and think about how your actions or decisions will not only effect you but your partner as well.

    • amen! – and another thing, take it slow. i was talking to a couple guy friends of mine today and i don’t know if this is just college-age women, but so many chicks rush into the whole “i love him, i cook/clean/fill up his tank” wifey situation so quickly, to the point where you’re in his room all day every day and you’ve only been dating a month. basically, give a ninja some space – makes it more special when you do see each other.

      • if these happen to be naija girls, then I’d venture it’s softcoded into your DNA.

        Now, ask me the difference between hardcoding and softcoding.

      • @puff, amen! “- and another thing, take it slow. i was talking to a couple guy friends of mine today and i don’t know if this is just college-age women, but so many chicks rush into the whole “i love him, i cook/clean/fill up his tank” wifey situation so quickly, to the point where you’re in his room all day every day and you’ve only been dating a month. basically, give a ninja some space – makes it more special when you do see each other.”

        I have been beating this drum relentlessly on Comeback Girl’s blog…whats the fascination to “move in” (usually her pad) so damn fast?

        And why every new parent (usually the the couple that moved in too quickly) I meet the BM or BD aint together like a week after the birth?
        Yea couples like this shoulda slowed down like sizzurp!!!

    • “say what you mean and mean what you say… respect their feelings and emotions and think about how your actions or decisions will not only effect you but your partner as well.”

      Co-signing this several times. Stop playing games.

    • think about how your actions or decisions will not only effect you but your partner as well.

      I agree with this to an extent. I agree that you should think how your actions/decisions effect you and your partner…but every single thing you do, doesn’t effect your partner.

      This could be why the ex and I ended…but damnit.. we weren’t married, weren’t even discussing anything remotely close to nuptials. Hell, we weren’t even discussing living in the same state!!!! So me getting a new tat is not up for debate/discussion/conversation!!

      *exhales deeply*

      • you know, i’ve always had a problem (though its waned significantly) trying to seriously consider my sig.other when making decisions ESPECIALLY if i really felt they didnt have a dog in that fight.

        i had an ex who swore that we should make decisions together on sh*t that had nothing to do with her. i wanted a new car, she wanted in on the process…i’m like “heffa you ain’t even finna drive it, why do you care…and don’t EEEN think about touching my radio.”

        only when one is married should those decisions be mutual, and even then largely when finances are involved.

        of course, getting a tattoo on one’s hands or neck should constitute grounds for divorce.

        • I do think you should always consider how they will be effected, if they wont be then fine. I mean if you thinking about getting the brown velvet jacket instead of the black. I mean its cool if you think hey my gal loves me in black but its not a necessity..however if you thinking about taking a new job out of state you might want to run that by her…. cmon now people…of course I wasnt saying you should do this with EVERY decision….

    • “SCOO” (strip-club odd odor), <—that sh*t made me laugh!! Been there smelled that.

      this is sum sh*t that i want no parts of… ewwww.

  8. “a man in a serious, committed relationship needs to quickly figure out one thing: most women are a*sholes that will subtlety mention some “innocent” sexual detail whenever they get an opportunity, just to f*ck with you.”

    I am very guilty of this…

    I LOVE nothing more than watching a man squirm. I just want to see what crazy a** statement he’ll come up with to change the subject. Most times they’ll either stutter or say some off the wall shii then try to play it off all cool..lol

    *ah…good times..*

  9. Trust is important for both the male and female in any committed, monogamous relationship if it’s going to work. When your single it’s all about you, but when you get a partner you have to trust that partner enough to let your guard down and let that person become apart of your space and apart of your life… and have some influence in your life and the direction your life takes… if it’s a serious relationship. So that’s my contribution… and I came to this conclusion after reading OpinionatedWriter’s comments yesterday. For a committed union to work both parties have to trust that each is looking out for the other.

  10. “a man in a serious, committed relationship needs to quickly figure out one thing: most women are a*sholes that will subtlety mention some “innocent” sexual detail whenever they get an opportunity, just to f*ck with you.”

    man, this shyt right here cracked me up!!!! i think it really hit close to home cuz…um…yeah, thats true. however, i dont do it with men who are attached (that ive noticed) i always keep those convos squeaky clean! im not no home wreckin hussy!

    and seriously, i think we oughta make concessions on the whole “men and women cant be friends thing” dangit! i can guarantee that NONE of my close male friends (the ones that might make the new man feel a bit threatened) are tryin/waitin/wantin/dyin to f*ck me. thats just it, point blank. im not some silly ho, livin in la-la land! lol…its absolutely true.

    now, that said. if my new man needs me to limit contact and subjects of conversation, i can work with that. if my new man wants me to drop some of my oldest and dearest friends whom ive never had any relations with…thats gonna be a problem. i know there are a few associates and acquaintances who are biding their time waiting to get out of the friendzone, but those will immediately be discontinued in the event of a new man. im not even tryin to have THAT argument. lol

    • “i always keep those convos squeaky clean! im not no home wreckin hussy!

      me too..i still believe in the what goes around comes around of it all…whats good for the goose (somebody else’s man) ends up being time enough for your gander.

    • “if my new man needs me to limit contact and subjects of conversation, i can work with that. if my new man wants me to drop some of my oldest and dearest friends whom ive never had any relations with…thats gonna be a problem.”

      Complete co-signage.

  11. “most women are a*sholes that will subtlety mention some “innocent” sexual detail whenever they get an opportunity, just to f*ck with you.””

    LOL. I have done this KNOWING I’m not dishing out the poon, But as soon as I find out he has a woman, I turn into Mother Theresa.

    Buuuutt, Men do it too… Nothing surprises me anymore. ;)

    Things you can no longer do as if you are single:

    NO MORE late night texts that are of a non emergency nature.

  12. “honestly, I don’t think they can even help it. its like they have conferences about this stuff in some secret compartment underneath the stalls of the women’s bathroom at williams sonoma…
    (”we’ve just received word from the head office in Columbus, Ohio that the champ is in a relationship now. ladies, from now on, at least once a week while you talk to him, you have to bring up something regarding your vagina. bonus points will be passed out if you mention squirting.”)”

    I seriously just LOL’ed at you…Hilarious!!!! We don’t talk about “lotioning” or our nightime sleep attire on purpose, we just like to talk. We’re not trying to lure into our web, we promise.
    *Palin wink*

  13. Sorry, I have to roll with the champ on #2.

    Even with the friends, we men first run you ladies through the “could I hit that?” machine and come up with a go/no go answer.

    If the answer is no go (she is too old, too ugly,too nasty, a crack head, a tranny, etc), then the process stops.

    If the answer is go then you ladies go through the “would I hit that if given even the slightest opportunity” machine. That puts you either in the “never” box (family, you would stand to lose too much, you might get fired/beat up/killed/lose your best male friend, you are in love with your wife/SO) or the the “it better not come my way” box.

    Now, there is nothing wrong with this process, because it is fleeting, we do not ponder on it too much, etc. In fact, the entire process only takes about 5~10 seconds, then our little minds are off onto some other trival activities, like when is Agent Zero going to start and will he score 20.

    And it does not mean we love you, our SO/wifey any less. It is an evolutionary gift to all men.

    Now I have just let you in on a little secret of man-dom, so use the information carefully.

    And any woman that does not believe that this is the process really does not know men.

    • “If the answer is go then you ladies go through the “would I hit that if given even the slightest opportunity” machine. That puts you either in the “never” box (family, you would stand to lose too much, you might get fired/beat up/killed/lose your best male friend, you are in love with your wife/SO) or the the “it better not come my way” box.”

      This is the d@mn truth! And that never box may be a little too big. . . LoL

        • Stop pretending their female friends don’t like them. Their single, physically unappealing, friends DO want them. And don’t talk to them about relationshippy stuff because I’ve seen them manipulate silly mean back into singledom so he can be available to her single lady whims.

          • “Stop pretending their female friends don’t like them. Their single, physically unappealing, friends DO want them. And don’t talk to them about relationshippy stuff because I’ve seen them manipulate silly mean back into singledom so he can be available to her single lady whims.”

            I think you guys are doubting the shallowness of man. If she is physically unappealing. . . don’t worry, you’re good. Promise.

            • “I think you guys are doubting the shallowness of man. If she is physically unappealing. . . don’t worry, you’re good. Promise.”

              It’s not necessarily HIM that we’re worried about, but HER!! Ladies can be VERY sneaky and by sneaking I mean trifling.

              • Word!!!! That swamp donkey bff will have him believing that the reason you bought him socks wasn’t because his sock game was slipping but because your OTHER man wears nice socks. Even if he doesn’t want to sleep with her, she’d rather him be single than be with a woman. Another woman in the picture threatens her queen swamp donkey status.

                I’ve been the bff of a couple dudes. I used my powers for good. But there were sooooooo many times where I could have easily twisted something their significant other did into something it wasn’t. The dudes would have believed me because they trusted me MORE than they did the woman they were sleeping with.

              • “It’s not necessarily HIM that we’re worried about, but HER!! Ladies can be VERY sneaky and by sneaking I mean trifling.”

                I all call bullshyt. If you trust your man then you shouldn’t have nothing to worry about, especially if an unfortunate looking broad is checking for him

                Trust us, if our female friends look like Venus Williams, then 9 times out of 10 he’s going to tap that if the opportunity presents itself. But if she looks like Wendy Williams then he’s not going anywhere

              • “It’s not necessarily HIM that we’re worried about, but HER!! Ladies can be VERY sneaky and by sneaking I mean trifling.”

                I don’t know. I do have friends that I know are interested in me that I wouldn’t ever entertain the idea of touching for any reason except to console them.

                That being said, these are the last women I would go to for relationship advice or believe anything that they would have to say about a SO. It is often times blatant that they are trying to persuade you to action. If a man is swayed by a woman that he knows wants his nads and she is a swamp donkey then he is a fool (unless she has pictures. . . some of these wookies work hard). If she is attractive . . . then he is a man.

              • “It’s not necessarily HIM that we’re worried about, but HER!! Ladies can be VERY sneaky and by sneaking I mean trifling.”

                ***wet duvet alert***

                this doesnt really bother me for several reasons..women are only as trifling as the man you attracted and commenced a relationship with on top of which as triffling as you have been in similiar situations. I do believe at some point you gotta pay the piper and sometimes its with the man your fighting the most to keep.

              • who ARE these ladies? i swear i dont know what yall are talking about. wtf, am i in The Truman Show??

                ladies can be sneaky, so can men, but at the end of the day i have an understanding with my man, and he does with me. if ish gets in the middle, its on us. period.

              • I would just like to say that Venus Williams is not attractive and neither her nor Wendy Williams would not be getting tapped. Now a woman has to worry if my Serena is checking for me….

              • “Trust us, if our female friends look like Venus Williams, then 9 times out of 10 he’s going to tap that if the opportunity presents itself. But if she looks like Wendy Williams then he’s not going anywhere”

                What the difference b/w the two?

            • I think you guys are doubting the shallowness of man. If she is physically unappealing. . . don’t worry, you’re good. Promise.

              this is true. and you can keep that “i dont trust her” non-sense b/c its a non-issue if you trust him. essentially you’re saying that you don’t think he’s smart enough to fend of the advances OR the manipulations of his swamp-donkey friends. so you’re concerned that your man isn’t strong-willed enough. such a shame.

              unattractive broads shouldn’t be your fear.

              • Yeah right. Say what you want, but I guarantee if you were sitting on the couch, swamp donkey accidentally on purpose dropped something in between your legs, and when she bent over to grab it, somehow when she was on her way to standing up, your dyck ended up in her mouth, you probably wouldn’t stop her.

                Also, so what you guys are saying is that you haven’t messed with a chick that wasn’t physically attractive? I call bullshyt!

              • You are right Renee, every guy has messed with some subpar broad but the bottom line is I bet that jawn has a redeeming quality (fat arse, tig o bitties, or sumthin)

              • “Also, so what you guys are saying is that you haven’t messed with a chick that wasn’t physically attractive? I call bullshyt!”

                I have definitely had a tundra wookie or two . . . but that is on some “im leaving the club and there are stragglers in the parking lot” and I must also be one with the spirits . . . I will never acknowledge said wookie in public and the wingman is sworn to secrecy.

                If I know you, that is not going to happen. Chances are I’m not getting all “nice” with you alone in the first place. If that’s the case, IVR Jr. wouldn’t even entertain the thought. . .and if he aint having it. . I am not having it.

              • LMAO @ swamp donkey!!!!

                And V Renee you are sooo right. There are too many boo’d up ugly broads for this ideology to stand. Oh the fallacy…

              • “You are right Renee, every guy has messed with some subpar broad but the bottom line is I bet that jawn has a redeeming quality (fat arse, tig o bitties, or sumthin)”

                I’m sorry fellas but I have to agree with the ladies on this on but only with the exception that the said male needs haven’t been meet by his SO.

                And there’s also an exception to the “redeeming quality” clause. I know I’m going to be called a pig for saying this but, usually chicks with redeeming qualities only get tapped from behind and that doesn’t count

                *pours gasoline on my boxers and uses credit card to book first class ticket to hell aka my home away from home*

              • *sigh*

                This swamp donkey friend of his hasn’t promised me shyt and probably, if she’s desperate enough, feels she doesn’t owe our relationship much respect either. Sometimes, yeppers, women gain trust by being the friend. You know, seeing him through all his ups and downs…Just like men do to their attractive female friends. All the while thinking, “Why won’t s/he chose me? One day s/he will get weak and I’ll be there.”

    • Been away a while from the site!! but I totally agree with you on this one Hostess!! I have encountered too many n-words who acted like they didnt know there supposed “bestie” was out trying to make herself his next missus….

  14. Ladies, about #2:

    It’s only true if you’re cute or have a somewhat decent body. If not, he’s not attracted to you, adn really does just want to be friends. If you are somewhat cute, and/or have a somewhat decent body, he’s at least *kind of* attracted to you. Maybe not enough to go for it, or attempt the full-court press, but the feeling is there. He doesn’t just strictly think you’ve got an awesome personality.

  15. Oh btw, was that happy hour tonight or next Wednesday? Panama? Champ? People who remember??

    *using happy hour on U street to get myself some Ethiopian food.

    • its tonight hostess!

      ethiopian food..le sigh, i pop up at my aunt’s house weekly after dropping hints for days about how i wish i had ethiopian food lol. i’m hungry now.

      • Alrighty then!!! I’ll be there. I’ll be the one wearing just a bra–as I expect that the good people who run VSB will have my VSB.com baby tee there for me to put on.

          • Y’all see how it’s done right?? Notice Panama, or in-relationship-baby-on-the-way status didn’t touch it with a ten foot pole. And I wasn’t even tryna flirt. I was tryna get a free t-shirt. But his ass knew to not even engage. He’s such a grown up.

  16. This a Great f-ing post! One and Two are classics!

    I recently had a woman at my job 9 years my senior tell me that she can’t understand why I don’t hit on her like the rest of dudes in the office do. In the subsequent days she would come around my desk trying to engage me in conversations about s*x.

    D*Pain: (**Walking to cubicle**)”Good morning, Trampy McGee”

    Trampy McGee: (poking out lips in exaggerated sadness) It would be if I had gotten some last night.

    D*Pain: Oh, Trampy…you so stupid.

    Trampy McGee: D*Pain, let me ask you something…

    D*Pain: (saying to self) Oh sh*t.

    Trampy McGee: Would you sleep with me? I mean if you weren’t married. You know…am I hot enough?

    D*Pain: Oh, Trampy…you are really crazy. (laughs in discomfort while looking for an HR rep)

    Trampy McGee: No seriously, would you?

    D*Pain: (**Looks for an escape**) Hey Steve, did you have a chance to review that report? Sorry Trampy, talk to you later.

      • Sadly that was it. Writing it down made me feel like I let my wife down by not setting her straight. I should’ve been more assertive but as a married man, I guess I still like to know that women are feeling me enough to try this foolishness. But I can certainly concede that being passive aggressive in these situations is not a good look.

        • i like your honesty. everyone likes to know the opposite sex finds them attractive, especially when they are out the game. trust me, you’re the lucky one for being in a happy, stable, long-term relationship, and you didn’t let her down cause you still cut it off. hold onto the mrs!

        • To Yung: Fam, I was on the floor reading this esp. @ ‘laughs in discomfort while looking for an HR rep.’

          Sad but true story: My dad told me once about a male co-worker of his who helped a woman out to her car with some bags once. During the course of the walk he made sure to keep the conversation real mid-range but messed up beacause he ended up walking her to her car in a private garage. Once he got to her car she told him “Thanks for the help with my bags, but you know I’m now going to bring you up on sexual harrassment charges…” He was like “Wha????” She was serious though. It ended up being investigated and he was found to have been guilty of no wrongdoing whatsoever outside of being too nice. It was found that this woman had a history of doing this type of isht to dudes at her previous places of employment. My father gave me this gem when I was MAD young and while I’m not saying everybody’s out to get you, you’ve got to always be mindful of what you say and do with folks. When I’m teaching, there’s always some woman who asks me or one of the other male instructors “Hey, I need some extra help with ____. Can I meet you before or after class for some tutoring?” As a rule, I always say the nay-no (pootie-tang speak) unless there’s going to be more than one student in a very public place like a classroom or conference room.

          Also felt you on the whole “marital ego-boost” thing as well. Who doesn’t like to be told that they’ve still got it? The feeling’s sweet for a moment but like you did, you’ve gotta keep it mid-range and keep it movin.’

          • ““Thanks for the help with my bags, but you know I’m now going to bring you up on sexual harrassment charges…””

            Okay, that made me so sad.

          • D@mn man…that definitely puts it in a different light. I’m going to have to keep a distance from that scalliwag. If that two-bit hussie tries to take me down on some Isaiah Thomas sh*t, I’m going to call my girl cousins and tell them to come up to the job with their timbos on.

    • I don’t think this is just stuff do the ‘taken’ men. I have seen chicks at a dinner table full of people pull the sex card because they weren’t getting any male attention.

      • @Hostess,

        I have a friend who does this whenever we are around mutual male friends, and they happen to be paying more attention to me or to what I’m saying at that moment. It’s really kinda sad to witness….

    • “Trampy McGee: Would you sleep with me? I mean if you weren’t married. You know…am I hot enough?

      D*Pain: Oh, Trampy…you are really crazy. (laughs in discomfort while looking for an HR rep)”

      Oh wow….this is crazy…lol
      I really hope you found that HR rep.

    • UPDATE to the Trampy McGee files:

      Trampy just hit me with the most cliche chick line of all time.

      “Wow, you have big gloves…no comment.”

      Ahh, the old big gloves equals large endowment comment…truly timeless in its tackiness.

          • That reminds me. There have been times where I PLAN to check someone, I sit there and scheme on letting them know once and for the hot mess they are. What happens, they are super nice that day.

            Moral of the story: Don’t let Trampy get away with it lol

            • “Moral of the story: Don’t let Trampy get away with it lol”

              LMAO! I hate Trampy for putting me in this position..that stupid strumpet.

      • Yung$$$…where do you work? I want to come down there and have a “Come to Jesus Meetin’” w/this Trampy McGee woman during the next Marshmallow nap time. She is out of control right now!

      • Her ass is doing this because it’s worked before. Matter of fact, she’s probably obsessing about you now because what usually works hasn’t worked. She’s gonna come at you again. I wouldn’t put it past her to follow you to the bathroom and walk into the men’s room by ‘mistake’ as you have you junk in hand!

  17. For guys:

    No more lending a hand to your ex-jumpoffs. Let her find someone else to help hang her knock off Michelangelo picture that someone snapped with their digitial camera and she later blew up. If her battery dies, direct her to Auto Zone and tell her to pick up some jumper cables. Everyone should have jumper cables in their trunk, along with a comforter and bottle of liquor.

    • You ain’t said nothin’ but the truff! Needy chicks need to get help elsewhere. It’s like the advanced level trap that otherwise good men fall into.

      • And we know it. An innocent, “Can you help me…(insert random bullshyt here)..?” is a far more dangerous trap than the strip club or random goodies offered after a night in the regular ole club. It’s likely to get you on the couch with your girl even if nothing happens. Then you mad because your girl won’t give your “good man” azz the benefit of the doubt. Next thing you know, ole friend w/benefits calls to “chat”, you sound down, and she listens. Now you’re back in convo with her, she needs your help again, this time you hide it from your girl. You get there, she looks extra good, you hang for a minute after the favor is done, she rests a little too close to you….and “something” (read: mind blowin’ chex) happens. Your “good man” id card bursts into flame in your pocket.

    • *raising hand bashfully*

      I have done this. I once called an ex, on his birthday. I forget what I ‘needed’ at the time. But all I know is some chick had flown miles to be with him. She even paid for her own ticket. My ‘needs’ came first and he left his own home and bday celebration for me.

      The way I defended my behavior was to say he clearly wasn’t into her because he let her pay for her ticket, answered the phone when he got my call, and LEFT her at the party she planned for him to come help me. I still maintain that. But the other bigger truth is that I was abusing the power I knew I had over him. It was a huge ego boost! Why? Cus my current boyfriend was trippin’.

      • Hostess, you will be prayed over and holy (read: Crisco) oil poured on your freshly done hair until you repent totally. Flag on the play! Misuse of p**sy control!

      • Hostess, you see how this was wrong though? Your needs shouldnt come before your man’s girl.

        I wonder how many women are “friends” with their male friends for real? This might have been a case of your ex, just being your ex, and it never having gone into friend mode.

      • As VSB’s resident expert on Hell Points, I’d guess Hostess earned herself about 235 hell points with that one incident. Dude earned 240 for being so gullible.

        • As VSB’s resident expert on Hell Points, I’d guess Hostess earned herself about 235 hell points with that one incident. Dude earned 240 for being so gullible.

          ….bringing Team A to a total of 475 points. Tell em what they’ve won!

        • Yeah man. I admit, I wasn’t shyt for that. But he used to show his ass. On some level, I think we were just tryna out-crazy each other. After nearly a decade of foolery off and on, we called a truce.

          Can I get brown rice instead of Rice-A-Roni??

      • So you were that chick Mya was singing about in “The Case of the Ex”

        It’s after midnight and shes on you phone (phone)
        Sayin’come over cuz shes all alone (lone)
        I could tell it was your ex by your tone (tone)
        Why is she callin now after so long

        Now, what is it that she wants
        Tell me what is it that she needs
        Did she hear about the brand new benz that you just bought for me
        Cuz yall didnt have no kids
        Or share no mutual friends
        And you told me that she turned trick when yall broke up in 96..

        Wutcha gon’ do when you cant say no
        And the feelings start to show boy I really need to know and..
        How ya gonna act
        How ya gonna handle that
        Wutcha gonna do when she wants you back

        There’s no need to reminisce bout the past (past)
        Obviously cuz that shit did not last (last)
        I Know how a woman will try to game you (you)
        Don’t get caught up because baby, you’ll lose

        Tell me why she on the phone in the middle of the night
        Tell me why she is your life trying to get whats mine
        She dont know me, shes about to know me
        Im in you life thats how its gon’ be

        I seen her photo, she aint even all that
        So if you want her back, you can take her back
        Cuz game recognize game, i can do the same thing
        Get it right, change or take back this ring

    • “No more lending a hand to your ex-jumpoffs.”

      Yeeeeeah.

      My ex’s ex called him up once cuz her son (not his…she had the kid before they met) needed help finding a baseball glove. My ex was a sports guy and she figured he’d drive to St. Louis and take the boy shopping.

      He told me this and I gave him a look. I didn’t say anything, kept doing what I was doing (think I was cooking…)

      Needless to say he did not go to St. Louis.

  18. hey e-bff!

    you know, when champ mentioned in his post women who talk about sex to men with SO’s, i just shook my head like “here he go, who does that?” but why are my VSS’s admitting to this! lol.

    my fav part was:
    Trampy McGee: D*Pain, let me ask you something…

    D*Pain: (saying to self) Oh sh*t.

    i don’t know, if i was you, i’d tell her to sit down and stop reaching for compliments. ole handout lookin girl…

  19. Oh yeah…And is it me or is it strange when women are cool with their men going to strip clubs???? I personally don’t like strip clubs…something about paying for a woman’s affection makes me angry at myself. But to each his own. Anyway, my wife would never cosign that sh*t.

    • Oh yeah…And is it me or is it strange when women are cool with their men going to strip clubs???? I personally don’t like strip clubs…something about paying for a woman’s affection makes me angry at myself. But to each his own. Anyway, my wife would never cosign that sh*t.

      I knew I was right in calling you as my e-bff! I don’t get this AT ALL, on both fronts. like you said, the idea of just throwing money out like its, well not money is just wack. maybe thats cause i got my degree in international relations and 4+ years of hearing and seeing how people live on less than $1 day, you look at things a little deeper lol. there are actually a list of reasons why i don’t approve, but that is just me. its good to know there is a dude out there who doesn’t think its strange. everything seems to be a-ok on vsb lol. free love and shyt.

      • Ha!! I completely feel it on the $ front. But my one guy who used to go–ocasionally–was frugal. Like I said below, I went. It was a field trip. Cus I had to see what all the fuss was about. I’d heard about this spot over the years. Once I went, I still didn’t get it. Mostly it was like a men’s (and lesbian) lounge that happened to have nekkid women on stages and tables. Made me rethink my stripper and hoe management business.

    • Eh. I don’t so much mind the stripperies. I’ve only had one guy who liked them. He and I went with a small posse once. In our relationship, he never went back after that. Maybe I ruined it for him. LOL

    • what’s wrong with a man going to a strip club?? I personally don’t have a problem with it long as he isn’t spending his life savings, pay for the week, or electricity bill money on the trick :-)

      I personally don’t believe in doing any trip of behavior that would cause you to rebel i.e. cheat…

      • my thing is, isn’t going to a strip club in a way, setting people up to cheat? what is one man’s strength (ie.going to a strip club and not being tempted) is another man’s weakness. i’m not saying that strip clubs in general are a no-no, and i can see how its better than going to a club which has more cheating potential but…i don’t know, i think i’m looking at it too deeply. the feminist in me (the normal self respecting one) hates the idea of men going to a club just to have women perform for them, even if she is getting money.

        • I have to agree. It just seems that there is something innately wrong with a man in a committed relationship (who is probably drunk) having a woman throw them thangs in his face and grab his tie between her booty cheeks. (let’s not even talk about the whole pay for play aspect) Doesn’t it seem to speak to a desire for something more than what he is getting at home?

          Also, I have read that porn can corrode a person’s perspective on their relationship by causing unhealthy expectations and debasing the act of intimacy. I have to imagine that the strip club has similar psychological affects.

              • No cuz that’s some ole bullshiznit. Erry dude i know, is cool with rolling to the skrip club unless his name is Toine (as in Antoine). Ladies, they either will tell you they’re doing it or lie about it. Most gainfully employed, rationable IBMs will keep it in perspective and frequent the joint on “special” occassions (i.e. bachelor parties, man celebrations, promotions, national she pizzed me off day. etc…)

        • Overit: Would you go with him to see what the fuss is all about? I had a wonderful conversation with a stripper in the club. She rolled over and was like, “See him over there? He don’t look like he got money. But he does and I’m about to get it.” She walks away, comes back, money in thong! She, & none of those other chicks, were being exploited. They were working. I mean, they gotta pay college tuition too–right? LOL Bwahahaahaa!!! Has anyone ever met a chick paid her way through college stripping?

          • Hostess, not sure if I’d go with or without a man. I just don’t like the idea, you never know though.

            I actually had a classmate who stripped to pay for school. Don’t get me wrong, I understand people have to eat, live, etc. I’m not judging them, I just think there are better ways. If that is the only way, then more power to you until you find something else. If that’s your dream hey, congrats you’ve arrived.

            My friend in college though might have shaped my perceptions. She was sad a lot, bitter she had to go that route (her family disowned her) and was always jealous of the rich kids at my school who didn’t have to lift a finger. I don’t think it will break her spirit, she is extremely smart and this is just a means to an end. I just know it did hurt her soul just a little, and it hurt me to see that.

            Bottom line, if its your thang, go for it.

        • “my thing is, isn’t going to a strip club in a way, setting people up to cheat? ”

          With who? the strippers? Those girls are working.

          • Y’all act like strippers are the only professionals who don’t mix business with pleasure. TRUST ME…they do it too.

          • not the girls, but scantily clad women lol.

            its just funny cause most every discussion on vsb confirms that men cannot help themselves and they are programmed to think about food and s*x ALL the time.

            then its like hey i can go to the strip club and watch scantily clad women gyrate to my catcalls and i’m chillin like a muhf**a. it just seems like taking a crackhead to a crackfest but telling them not to smoke. just enjoy the scene.

            i know the guy can prob go back home to his girl after getting all excited, but again, since it seems men are programmed to be thinking s*x all the time, is this ultimately good?

            i might be looking at it too logically.

            • No its more like its impossible to smash a stripper unless you’re willing to pay money. Most dudes aren’t cool with paying for buns, when they have it at home.

              Its like the one trip wire that nature gave us.

              • If dudes had a problem paying for sex, prostitutes would be out of business. Not saying all men are willing to pay, but there are plenty that will shell out the dough.

                And I don’t see what the big differences is…paying for a woman to get you hard and shake te-tas in your face all evening…why does that make it not cheating because you paid for it? lol I’m just saying.

            • “men cannot help themselves and they are programmed to think about food and s*x ALL the time.”

              I’m a woman and these things take up 70% of my brain matter. Thoughts of world peace occupies 20 percent and sleep the final 10.

    • I don’t have a problem with him going to strip clubs. I know there’s less chance of him taking one of them home, than some drunk chick at the club. And if I know he’s going to the strip club, he will be going on a budget. If anyone is going to get rained, thunderstormed on, it’s going to be me. I will pull out the clear heels from the back of the closet and my mobile pole.

    • I personally don’t like strip clubs…something about paying for a woman’s affection makes me angry at myself.

      my name is panama jackson and me and my squirrel approve this message.

    • The principle is simple, IMO. A strip club is an entertainment venue in my eyes. Those are performers who happen to be in the nude.

      When I go there, I am going to be entertained. So I assume that my man frequents the spot for the exact same reasons. It’s not buying affections, it’s watching a show… very much like watching a Vegas show or Cirque du Soleil.

      With that understanding, going to a Strip club becomes as mundane as going to the club.

      Now if one goes there to “buy some affections”… Of course, the intention is different so the outcomes will be as well.

      Then again, I am very liberal. And it’s my secret dream job. So there. :)

    • ” I personally don’t like strip clubs…something about paying for a woman’s affection makes me angry at myself. But to each his own. Anyway, my wife would never cosign that sh*t.”

      in my early 20′s I started going to the booty bars and got turned out, but after leaving with empty pockets and mini-me standing at attention, I realized that I could have spent that money on something more important. And I could have gotten a hard wang by just going to the local club/ bar and have some random chick grind on me all night.

    • “I personally don’t like strip clubs…something about paying for a woman’s affection makes me angry at myself.”

      This coupled with the experience of seeing a cock-eyed stripper tie the curtains in a knot has put me off from strip clubs forever.

      • This coupled with the experience of seeing a cock-eyed stripper tie the curtains in a knot has put me off from strip clubs forever.

        to expound or not to expound that is the question..where is champ?!

      • “the experience of seeing a cock-eyed stripper tie the curtains in a knot…”

        IVR, at the risk of sounding like a f-ing dummy I must ask…what do you mean by “tie the curtains in a knot?” I’m baffled.

        • “IVR, at the risk of sounding like a f-ing dummy I must ask…what do you mean by “tie the curtains in a knot?” I’m baffled.”

          This would be meat curtains. The roast beef hung so low that it was able to be tied. For some reason this was expected to garner praise. Please understand this now because the recurring visual is gonna make me leave work early.

          • (**bows head**)Dear sweet Lord Jesus,

            Please take me home to be by your side. The nastiness of IVRs poontang portrayal makes me want to leave behind all worldy things. I can’t stand to live knowing that a woman’s pum-pum resembled “meat curtains” and/or “roast beef.” Amen.

            **clutching knees and rocking back and forth at desk**

            • “Please take me home to be by your side. The nastiness of IVRs poontang portrayal makes me want to leave behind all worldy things. I can’t stand to live knowing that a woman’s pum-pum resembled “meat curtains” and/or “roast beef.” Amen.”

              Yes, pray you never know such evil. I am sorry I had to expound . . . I believe this place was located under the 59th Street bridge in Queens. Don’t go there . . . hopefully she is gone now. But as far as strip clubs go, I’m good money!

            • (**bows head**)Dear sweet Lord Jesus,

              Please take me home to be by your side. The nastiness of IVRs poontang portrayal makes me want to leave behind all worldy things. I can’t stand to live knowing that a woman’s pum-pum resembled meat curtains and/or roast beef. Amen.

              **clutching knees and rocking back and forth at desk**

              LMAO @ leave behind all wordly things. Worldly things get such a bad rap. That was very disturbing, now I’m rocking back and forth.

              • LOL! It’s true…why do worldly things do get such a bad wrap?! HAAAA!

                That sh*t was sick though. I can’t stop envisioning crumbling roast beef (with dry ketchup)! AAHHHH Damn you IVR! DAMN YOUUUUU!!!

              • “That sh*t was sick though. I can’t stop envisioning crumbling roast beef (with dry ketchup)! AAHHHH Damn you IVR! DAMN YOUUUUU!!!”

                All this and you didn’t SEE it! AND she was COCKEYED . . . I have tried to put this image out of my head . . . I have been able to love women since . . . but talk of strip clubs triggers a relapse. I dont want any of them putting ANYTHING in my face.

    • I am not going to get into the motivation behind my husband going. Point blank I trust my husband so if he goes to the strip club, regular club, church what have you I dont get bent out of shape. I trust that my husband is an adult and is committed to the relationship. When he goes out I trust that he will do the right thing by me. Now if he doesn’t that’s on him cause if/when I find out he betrayed my trust its over. However he has not given me any reason to as of yet and restricting his movements will not keep him from cheating if he wasn’t truthful. Its worked to this point.

        • I dont know dont care really, he has gone for bachelor and birthday parties primarily sooo… I would assume for those? He.ll maybe the wangs off the chain…..

    • “Oh yeah…And is it me or is it strange when women are cool with their men going to strip clubs???? I personally don’t like strip clubs…something about paying for a woman’s affection makes me angry at myself. But to each his own. Anyway, my wife would never cosign that sh*t.”

      I use to not be cool with my bf going to strip club for the sole reason that it never made sense to me. I would never want to go somewhere where dudes **thing that rhymes with venus** is flying here and flying there. I stopped trying to figure it out and I don’t really care. Not much of a difference from porn and I know he ain’t gonna do nothing who those women.

  20. There’s a cost-benefit element to a guy’s decision on whether to push up, or not.

    When you’ve been friends witha woman for a while, but you feel attraction to her too, you have to consider a few things:

    #1. What are my chances with her? (probably low if you’ve known her all this time and she hasn’t shown you any signs, but I digest.)

    #2. How much negative fallout would there be if my holleration attempt failed?

    #3. How much do I value her friendship?

    Then you ask yourself:

    - Is the EV (#1, #2) > or < EV (#3)? Where EV stands for expected value.

    In other words, is the attempt worth it? Alot of you ladies assume that because no attempt has been made, then he never desired you in the first place. The silent thesis of this statement is that he really thinks you’re just a superb human-being. So much so that your coolness bl;inds him to your appearance. He sees you as *strictly* a real human being, unlike all those other jerks on the street who look at you like a piece of rotisserie chicken.

    Newsflash – he sees you as a piece of rotisserie chicken too. He’s just put too much time and emotional investment in you to throw it all away on certain rejection.

    • “Newsflash – he sees you as a piece of rotisserie chicken too. He’s just put too much time and emotional investment in you to throw it all away on certain rejection.”

      Or on certain rejection at that point.

      Something is going to happen that is going to change the dynamic of our friendship. . .it has happened many a time before this. . . why not now. . .I’ll just wait and listen to how much your man is F-ing up . . . then u wanna go out and get a drink because ur stressed . . . then one drink equals 8-9 . . . then you are at my house at inappropriate hours. . . and voila changed friendship dynamic. . . I will still respect you though. .

    • Pretty much.

      I have a great friend who used to be my roommate. As much as I would like to think that he was never into me, I know better.

      We jokingly said to one another in some drunken “you’re my best friend that I love soooo much” induced exchange, that if both of us were not married by age 30, we will see if we could make it work. We were obviously joking and kidding around (at least I was). Until, he turned 29 in May and broadcasted that little statement:

      “One more year to go. And remember you promised. You better get married this year”.

      *inserts cute laugh that he remembered followed by are u serious? look of bafflement*

      Dude was not joking. He even recently commented on my facebook, saying that he wishes we were still roommates… Uh?

      And I have always told anybody how great a friend he was, and how we went through shit together in our house (2 girls and him) as broke-ass college students in a foreign country. I guess all this time he had a crush…

      It’s a bit bittersweet and kinda cute but not really.

      The s/o on the other was not amused by all the comments/allusions made by ol’ boy. :)

      • “We jokingly said to one another in some drunken “you’re my best friend that I love soooo much” induced exchange, that if both of us were not married by age 30, we will see if we could make it work. ”

        Funny…one of my homeboys and I had this same plan. Except we just said if neither one of us was married in 5 years–we would get married. We only got 1 year to go, and let’s just say…I’m finding out more and more about him, that would make this contract null and void.

      • “We jokingly said to one another in some drunken “you’re my best friend that I love soooo much” induced exchange, that if both of us were not married by age 30, we will see if we could make it work. ”

        I thought people only said that in the movies.

    • “#1. What are my chances with her? (probably low if you’ve known her all this time and she hasn’t shown you any signs, but I digest.)”

      Digest?? What you eating? Did you mean to say digress?

  21. All I can say is….

    Whatever ish you decide to stop doing needs to happen organically. I still get out with my girls occassionally, and I don’t mind if my SO does the same. 2 or 3 nights a weeks is a money problem – we’re in a depression! I have to accept that we are both adults and that he has some female friends – and he has to accept the same with me. Now, I would be lyin’ if I said I haven’t changed certain habits and routines, but when the relationship begins to feel like a total life make-over/prison sentence I get real frustrated/nervous, like I’m playing a role and will forget my lines. I gotta be me.

    • Can I get a gavel to pound on this piece of raw truth right here —> Whatever ish you decide to stop doing needs to happen organically

      *3 Rosary prayers to Mary of Guadalupe, Patron Saint of the Americas*

    • “2 or 3 nights a weeks is a money problem – we’re in a depression!”

      that’s why clubs were gracious to come up with the brilliant ideas of $2 dollar Tuesdays and One dollar Obama night. Don’t forget 10 cent wing night and happy hour. On those 3 days out of the week, I can eat and drink like a king but on a small budget.

      You know I have to mess with you, lol

    • All I can say is….

      Whatever ish you decide to stop doing needs to happen organically. I still get out with my girls occassionally, and I don’t mind if my SO does the same. 2 or 3 nights a weeks is a money problem – we’re in a depression! I have to accept that we are both adults and that he has some female friends – and he has to accept the same with me. Now, I would be lyin’ if I said I haven’t changed certain habits and routines, but when the relationship begins to feel like a total life make-over/prison sentence I get real frustrated/nervous, like I’m playing a role and will forget my lines. I gotta be me.

      co sign..I think there are things that should happen organically when you are ready to commit. you should not be forcing your self do it though..I didnt wake up one morning and decide to think about my husband when I make decisions etc etc it happened over the course of the relationship.

  22. I gotta disagree for the man thing about going out with your boys. I think it depends on your age too. Young dudes go out every week without fail. Every single week, either Friday or Saturday (most times both days) plus a random weekday, ni99as is hitting a spot somewhere. So if you’re in a relationship are you saying its over for chilling with your dudes? Especially when you young? Nah you just go with the flow and do what you do just at a reserved level. If you’re in a relationship you fall off from your friends, you don’t wanna fall all the way off.

    • I don’t think it’s actually going out with your boys, but WHERE you go.

      I will admit that I do not think most people go to the nightclub looking for a hookup. At least I don’t. I NEVER go out with the intention of hooking up. I have never met anyone at the nightclub that I later hooked up with or had a relationship with.

      • Oh no don’t get it twisted guys go to find chicks, thats really the only reason to be there. But what I’m saying is the closer you are to 21 the more frequently (read: all the time) you are in clubs/lounges. I don’t know one group of guys that would sacrifice that because one of their boys is in a relationship. Like if thats the move thats the move, either he’s rolling with them or he’s not.

        And if he doesn’t we’re teasing him to the point of tears.

    • Dorian,

      I don’t know, homey. I guess it is ultimately all about your intentions but I personally don’t know any guys who go to the club just to bond with their boys. The music is too loud to talk and most men are too distracted by all of that “scattered drunken @ss.” Going to the club once in a while shouldn’t be a big deal but any dude who is in the club a few times a week is not a guy who appears to be trying to cultivate a “meaningful” relationship. At least not with just one person.

      That doesn’t mean you shouldn’t chill with your boys anymore…but you should probably try to find some other options. I’m 27 and most of my n*ggas still like to go to the club (all the time), pop bottles and see how many chicks they can lure back to VIP at once. I can’t f**k with ‘em anymore because it doesn’t benefit my relationship. Instead I meet up with them at places where we can actually interact (bars, pool halls, fight night at the crib, etc).

      • I’m 27 and most of my n*ggas still like to go to the club (all the time), pop bottles and see how many chicks they can lure back to VIP at once.

        i agree with this…

        i’d also like to point out, that i really do not understand why folks spend SO much money on bottles at clubs. i know its a status thing but at my club, we charge you 300 bucks for a bottle of patron…that is insane. but people pay. a $30 bottle of grey goose will run you 275…

        maybe i’ve just been poor too long to be able to understand this…

        • Well don’t you have to get bottles to get a table and VIP? I think thats really what people are paying for, I’m not sure there are people out there who pay $500 dollar for a bottle to take to the middle of the crowded dance floor.

          • au contraire mon frere. i’ve actually sold bottles to fellows who didn’t receive a table or bottle service. they took their happy arses right into the middle of the floor with their bottle.

            they ain’t even get mixers. just a couple of plastic cups.

            • These are the stupid flashy ones I dance with to get a free drank outta their bottles, exploiting their drunken base nature…always willing to share. Ha!

              If they are stupid enough to pay $275 for a $30 bottle of liquor, then they deserve it.

              • It’s true…I must admit, I always wanted to pour champagne on a woman. I don’t quite know why though.

              • l@ miss t.

                d*pain you just made me sad. you done got, got. i wish a ninja would. i was pissy one time cause busta rhymes was slinging his water bottle in the audience and some of that mess got in my hair…

              • “It’s true…I must admit, I always wanted to pour champagne on a woman. I don’t quite know why though.”

                One of my girlfriend had a guy punch her in the face after trying to break up a fight between two girls (one of the girl was his friend). After helping her up to her feet, he proceeded to pour an entire bottle of champagne on her.

                Pittsburgh guys (not you, of course Champ) are GRIMY!!

        • “maybe i’ve just been poor too long to be able to understand this…”

          LOL!!! Exactly, it’s a total “look at me, I have money to trick off” moment. I laugh almost errytime. :)
          You’re not impressing me much, I’m sitting there running numbers on how many other things I could’ve purchased for 3 bills.

          • right miss t, i can come up with more cons than pros about going to a strip club, but ultimately it comes down to money.

          • Right!

            I’m like, hmm…thats groceries, two cute dresses…and some chicken selects.

            Damn that bottle, son.

        • “i’d also like to point out, that i really do not understand why folks spend SO much money on bottles at clubs. i know its a status thing but at my club, we charge you 300 bucks for a bottle of patron…that is insane. but people pay. a $30 bottle of grey goose will run you 275…”

          Man, I was thinking this same nonsense. . . Went to Ultrabar this weekend and paid 300 dollars for a bottle of grey goose that happened to come with a table. Luckily for my brothers I was inebriated enough to be OK with that. . . but that was THE first AND LAST time that will EVER happen. I’m still pregaming! (except happy hour day of course)

        • Yeah the sh*t is idiotic. These dudes think because they make six figures that they should spend it all on liquor and clothes. These are the brokest ballers you will ever see (no savings, no property, no relationships). I can’t front though…I used to be that fool with two tabs running on seperate floors of the club too. But I was young, stupid and stuntin’ like my daddy. I think part of it is the shock of going from being a broke college student to suddenly making money for the first time.

          • “I can’t front though…I used to be that fool with two tabs running on seperate floors of the club too.”

            People do this?!?!? I learn something new e’erday on VSB

      • “I can’t f**k with ‘em anymore because it doesn’t benefit my relationship. Instead I meet up with them at places where we can actually interact (bars, pool halls, fight night at the crib, etc).”

        And this is what I’m saying. You just described activities that happen maybe once a month more likely once every 6-8 weeks or so. I’m not 27 yet so maybe i’ll be cool hanging with my dudes once every two months then, but damn these are ni99as i’m used to seeing multiple times a week.

      • Uh, what about dudes who go to clubs with their woman?? I ask because if you’re sincerely friends with your SO, don’t you wanna kick it with them?? I had a boyfriend who was my BFF (until his ass lost his mind and popped off at the mouth crazy causing me to pop back off and damn near kick him in the neck). He and I would go to clubs when the feeling moved us. Or if he had people in town and they wanted to go–cus folks love to party here–he would still take me. Then if I wanted to go to a wine tasting, he was my companion for that. Humh. Maybe I’m just a lot of fun. Yeah that’s what I’m gonna go with.

        • “Uh, what about dudes who go to clubs with their woman??”

          I am one of these kinda dudes . . . unfortunately, it is known as bringing sand to the beach and there are many a love song dedicated to the loving of your woman by other dudes. HOWEVER, since I frequent latin clubs to listen to/dance Salsa, I would much rather go with someone that I can dance with . . .this is almost always the girl that I am talking to . . .

          • IVR…I’m that dude tooo. Bringing the wife to the club is a good look. We pretend like we don’t know eachother and fate has somehow brought us together at this club. I run game on her, by her a few drinks, hit the dance floor and then go home to our daughter.

            BTW mad props on dancing Salsa. I think this is one of those skills that every man should have.

            • Yeah I am definitely into going to the club with my guy (not all the time) but to be able to have fun together and then the after party with him is always the best! ;-)

            • “We pretend like we don’t know eachother and fate has somehow brought us together at this club. I run game on her, by her a few drinks, hit the dance floor and then go home to our daughter.”

              And you know it. That can be foreplay! Dudes be sitting there thinking my guy’s game is sick like that–to just roll up on me. Little do they know…

              • I co-sign with you on that Hostess… never thought of that one… I may try that this weekend when I go to visit a potential….

            • “BTW mad props on dancing Salsa. I think this is one of those skills that every man should have.”

              I agree. . .opens up an entirely new demographic. . .good looking out.

  23. Just want to send a reminder out about the DC VSB Happy Hour tonight at Mahogany Restaurant & Lounge @ Bohemian Caverns from 6PM – until y’all leave. At 9pm we’ll also have a DJ spinnin’ in the restaurant. Drink specials from 530 to 8pm (our happy hour prices for cocktails and certain appetizers).

    2001 11th Street, NW

    ALSO: Since I know y’all like free sh*t…

    Thursday, November 13th at Liv (top floors of Bohemian Caverns), Grey Goose presents Emily King and Res FREE.

    Yes, Free. As in, no cover. Grey Goose open bar from 7-9pm.

    Yes, OPEN BAR FOR GREY GOOSE FROM 7-9PM. FREE VODKA.

    Just RSVP here: RSVP@CHEEKYSASSOENT.COM

    And you’re Free.

    DOORS @7PM.

    To recap: Free admission. Free Grey Goose from 7-9pm. Emily King & Res (two nationally known recording artists).

    See you tonight (and Thursday).

    Welcome to D.C.

    • “Yes, Free. As in, no cover. Grey Goose open bar from 7-9pm.
      Yes, OPEN BAR FOR GREY GOOSE FROM 7-9PM. FREE VODKA.
      Just RSVP here: RSVP@CHEEKYSASSOENT.COM
      And you’re Free.”

      I’m there. . . guaranteed (good looks on the cheap date night). . . and about this RSVP business. . .I did that for the inauguration jumpoff and still waited in line. . . what is the purpose of the RSVP?

      • Forget him Ms.Sula. He’s not the boss of you. You can come to DC anytime you want. I’ll call Fenty, the guy w/the light up sign that panhandles @ Gallery Place and Murrien Burr-ee for your clearance. It will be all good.

    • I will slide through briefly tonight, but this just ensured that my original Thursday night plan is now getting cancelled! I’m definitely looking forward to that

    • Dang…I love Res and Grey Goose. Too bad I’m out in Naptown. But will be in D.C. for the inauguration. Somebody be kind and tell how Res was in concert, please!

    • I’ll bring my old ass tonight. I’ll likely be there at 6–cus u know I like to get home by 9:30!! That’s how I do. Early to bed, not early to rise.

  24. Gotta agree with #2

    I can only speak about my own experiences, but I have yet to meet the man that just wants to be friends ‘for an extended period’. They will always come up with some “I actually like, love, lets go fukking bullshit” at some point in the near or far far away future. (depending with how much patience (or alternatives) they are blessed)

    That’s why I stopped befriending males that aren’t husband material althogether. If I can’t entertain the idea that at some point (in the near or far far away future) I will like, love or wanna go fukking you, we really not need to be “friends”

    peace

  25. Both number 2s are correct. As guys, we have to take the high road when hints are being dropped like that.

    Women, I won’t say that ALL of your guy friends want to blow your respective backs out, but a good 85% of them would, if offered the opportunity. For a reasonably intelligent person to believe otherwise is incredibly naive…which is why us men act like you’re insulting our intelligence when you all insist that it’s not possible for your platonic male friend to be attracted to you.

    • ” blow your respective backs out”

      LMAO! The intelligent wording of this vulgarity made me laugh!

      Oh yeah… and I agree 100%

  26. ‘Women, I won’t say that ALL of your guy friends want to blow your respective backs out, but a good 85% of them would, if offered the opportunity. For a reasonably intelligent person to believe otherwise is incredibly naive…which is why us men act like you’re insulting our intelligence when you all insist that it’s not possible for your platonic male friend to be attracted to you”

    Co-sign. I also would change that 85% to 95% of males

    • Hey eff I’m not going to D. C. for the jawn tonight. But I heard about the whiskey festival. You ever heard of it? Know if it’s worth going to?

      • Naw, I’ve never heard of that. I wish I could make it to DC tonight, but I have some business that I’ve been putting off that I have to handle in NY

        • buisness?? *snicker* you and that old long distance thing? ahahaha. I wish I could go to DC too. But effing GM. All my power windows have failed on my whip and security is no longer there. I don’t want to drive down and have to ride the train back. Know what I mean?

    • “It is so hard to cut off those convos with the enemies when you still thinking about smashing when your relationship ends.”

      LOL! Ahh Diesel, this is indeed the dilemma that we are all faced with.

      I think this goes back to WuDa’s question about exes…exes are the main ones who are not trying to be friends…they just want the make-up s*x.

  27. I know it’s all late, but i’ve been trying to wrap my brain around your #1 for men: No Clubbing. I don’t 100% agree with you, but I do think in many cases this is true for American guys. I think it’s a sad day when black folk stop going to the club to dance.

    Ya’ll gonna hear me talk a lot about Jamaica because it shaped who I am. But if you went to a party in Jamaica, you are going to see a lot of guys and girls dancing by themself. Example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTTVSKK6vbM&feature=related

    And ofcourse you have guys and girls dancing. Example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLsgomF3ltA&feature=related

    (just google or youtube passa passa and you’ll see a lot more examples)

    I was culture shock when I moved here and learned that dudes just wanna grind up on you all the time and they don’t dance by themself. And I hate when dudes thought I was dissing when I wanted to dance by myself. It’s just how I was brought up.

    Anyways, I was just surprised that no one really commented on this.

  28. My post was blocke and I think it was because I had youtube links.

    I know it’s all late, but i’ve been trying to wrap my brain around your #1 for men: No Clubbing. I don’t 100% agree with you, but I do think in many cases this is true for American guys. I think it’s a sad day when black folk stop going to the club to dance.

    Ya’ll gonna hear me talk a lot about Jamaica because it shaped who I am. But if you went to a party in Jamaica, you are going to see a lot of guys and girls dancing by themself. And ofcourse you have guys and girls dancing.

    (just google or youtube passa passa and you’ll see what i’m talking about)

    I was culture shock when I moved here and learned that dudes just wanna grind up on you all the time and they don’t dance by themself. And I hate when dudes thought I was dissing when I wanted to dance by myself. It’s just how I was brought up.

    Anyways, I was just surprised that no one really commented on this.

  29. Women always say their plutonic males friends don’t want to bone them, and men always say they do.

    Question: Which group has actually had experience as plutonic male friends?

    Yeah, that should clear things up.

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