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Bill Clinton Is Not An “Honorary Black Person.” Bill Clinton Can Go Fuck Off Somewhere

Former President Bill Clinton mingles with the crowd at Freedom Temple Ministry while campaigning for Hillary Clinton Feb. 25, 2016, in Rock Hill, S.C. (Sean Rayford/Getty Images)

 

My second favorite line in Anchorman comes when an inebriated Champ Kind admits to a romantic crush he’s had on Ron Burgundy (“I miss your musk… When this all gets sorted out, I think you and me should get an apartment together!”), and Brian Fantana replies “Take it easy, Champ. Why don’t you sit this next one out, stop talking for a while.

(My favorite line? “Milk was a bad choice.“)

This scene came to mind today as I watched footage of Bill Clinton single-handedly trying to torpedo his wife’s presidential campaign by…

1. Defending his infamous crime bill; which is generally regarded today as one of the main culprits behind the disproportionate imprisonment of Black Americans

2. Doubling-down on the use of the term “Super Predators”

3. Continuing his ad hominem attacks on BlackLivesMatter by saying completely out of context and patently ridiculous things like “I’ll tell you another story about a place where black lives matter: Africa.” and “You are defending the people who killed the lives you say matter. Tell the truth.

That Bill Clinton has received honorary Black status in certain parts of Black America is undoubtedly true. That he is abjectly undeserving of this status is also true. This, I’m sure, creates a bit of a paradox for Hillary Clinton’s campaign. Because part of Clinton’s popularity is due to the Clinton name recognition. But I’m sure there are people in the Clinton campaign — including perhaps Hillary herself — who prefer he stops talking for a while and sits this one out.

Will this have an effect on Clinton’s numbers and standing with Black people? Who knows? All I know is that the same thought is likely going through the Clinton campaign people’s heads right now: Where’s a distractingly cute intern when you need one?

Damon Young

Damon Young is the editor-in-chief of VSB. He is also a columnist for GQ.com And he's working on a book of essays to be published by Ecco (HarperCollins). Damon is busy. He lives in Pittsburgh, and he really likes pancakes. Reach him at damon@verysmartbrothas.com. Or don't. Whatever.

  • nin10doegames

    But why shut him up instead of letting him continue to expose who he really is? No, I want more words from Bill.

    • cakes_and_pies

      I think this is just the tip. He has plenty more time to tell how he really feels and further kill his wife’s prospect.

    • Leann Morris

      Give them just enough rope they will hang each other no doubt

  • What I don’t get is why so many people get their panties in a bunch about Black Lives Matter. I get the right being against it, for reasons like racism to reasons like being pro-cop. The rest of these cats though? I don’t get it. Gee, recognizing that Black Lives Matter in a nation that historically DGAF about them is a good thing.

    I’ll go read some libertarian propaganda now. I need to wash Bill Clinton’s Visage from my eyes.

    • KB

      Speaking of which, did you see the video of Ray Lewis cooning it up and asking the eye roll inducing “does black lives matter to black people” video he made the other day? Of course he brought up Chicago and the murder rate there using some very questionable statistics. Oh and the kicker on all this, he said that slavery was about “togetherness.” I am sick of these new blacks.

      • ChokeOnThisTea

        He really ruined my day with that. I’m feeling all sorts of nauseous because of it.

        A think piece is in order.

      • Kas

        The same Lewis who only got out of a murder charge because he was a really good football player? OK then.

        • Other_guy13

          It took about 3 hours for this to process in my brain (havnt slept since Sunday). Did he not think that through before he said that. Like someone not gone mention his little trip to Atlanta during the Superbowl. And he went to the U where I think another death was around him. Can’t wait til I make the kind of money I can forget all my sins. Must be nice

          • Kas

            Are you a finance or law guy? Haven’t slept since Sunday begs the question. Keeping my fingers crossed that it’s neither and that you are working on rolling out a new video game.

            • Other_guy13

              Underwriter….sooo kinda finance..anywbo decided to go to the Grand Canyon for the weekend then go to opening day for the Braves Monday and game Two Wednesday all while only taking Monday off. To say I have been unproductive today will be the understatement of the year.

              • Kas

                Underwriter – what industry?

                • Other_guy13

                  Personal lines auto insurance. And no I can’t fix rates…I mean I can…but I won’t. Lol

                  • Kas

                    Subprime? Don’t feel a need to answer, because now I’m just being nosy.

                    • Other_guy13

                      Lol I wasnt

          • LMNOP

            Wait, have you literally not slept since Sunday?
            Are you okay? I’m sure you know that this is dangerous (and I’m sure very unpleasant) but if you’re not hallucinating yet, that will probably come soon, and it’s not at all safe to be driving. Can you take something to help you sleep? An over-the-counter sleeping pill or melatonin or something? I hope you get some sleep soon.

            • Other_guy13

              OMG I tried that yesterday but the way this adderall had my life set up I only got about 2 hours. I’m tired now but can’t sleep. Thats what i get for trying to go hard like im in undergrad. 30 is no joke. Im teleworking this week so driving isn’t an issue. Thanks for the concern though fam

              • Kas

                I waited until 34 to try my hand at investment banking. I remember that pain. Good luck to you.

              • LMNOP

                You brought out the mom in me lol. Have you tried cutting out the adderall? Or switching to a lower dose, or something short acting like ritalin?

      • Val

        That’s some serious cognitive dissonance considering his history.

      • That’s somewhat my point. One is an outlier, but when enough do it, you have to ask.

      • Other_guy13

        Didn’t he kill a black man though or at least help kill someone. Hit dogs love to holla.

    • Val

      If someone hates BLM that means they hate Black people. Very simple. So whenever I hear someone speak out against BLM I just make a mental note so I won’t forget who hates us.

      • KB

        I’ve had to unfriend a few of our own kind for proclaiming ‘all lives matter’. One of my homeboys from college (black dude) even had the nerve to sell ALM wristbands on ebay and hit my inbox asking if I would support him. He might have gotten swung on if he was near me.

        • Val

          Self-hate is a terrible thing.

        • CheGueverraWitBlingOn

          Some people need will do anything to roll with the ‘winning team’.

      • Other_guy13

        Look I’m all for black lives matter. Do I get annoyed they don’t drive this point home to our own youth (if they have please correct me) yes. But I think what some have tried to express is that BLM has a very large platform and yes they need to turn heir attention home. Police killing unarmed African Americans is an issue. That’s mission 1. Mission 2 should be to educate our youth to come together and not die over foolishness. I could be wrong…if I am I blame it on lack of skleep and fox news being on in the break room.

        • Val

          Here’s the thing though, BLM was born as an answer to a specific thing. And that thing was police brutality. That was its self-declared mandate.

          So, when that’s the case and someone says well what about so-called Black on Black crime, that’s a separate subject. It’s a subject that an untold amount of Black folks have been working on, though mostly unnoticed, for a very long time but one that is not necessarily something that BLM has any expertise in.

          And, while I trust that your words are said out of concern when others bring up Black on Black crime in reference to BLM they are trolling. They are looking to derail the conversation and the movement.

          Also, the causes of police brutality and violence within some Black communities have very, very different solutions. So once again it’s unfair to ask BLM to be all things to all people.

          • Other_guy13

            I completely agree many are trolling. But it’s okay to evolve….that’s the only way to keep the momentum they have built and be a positive force in the movement. Why eridicate one concern and leave others untouched? Its like washing one tire on a car and leaving the other three dusty. The Black Panthers didn’t just care about police brutality they cared about protecting, educating, and thriving. Sometimes you need to be protected from yourself and that’s where family comes in.

            • Val

              It’s almost like you don’t want to be positive about BLM. They do something and you say but what about this other thing. I have no idea where BLM will be in a year or in 5 years. I’m just going to keep supporting them and their original mandate.

              And the Panthers were not born a fully functioning multipurpose organization. It took a lot of time and events to shape them into who they became.

              • Kas

                My two cents (and it’s worth less than that). I am supportive of BLM, though I think their methods are sometimrs self defeating. I would add that if someone feels strongly that BLM should be doing more, they join the cause or start their on chapter to focus on it.

                • Other_guy13

                  Agreed actually found church in East Atlanta with a sign that says “BLM meets here” I plan to check them out

              • Other_guy13

                I’m critical because I truly see an opportunity. I see potential to do something great. What they have done I am proud of. I just don’t want the to loose the momentum. I will support the til the end(unless they do something crazy). But you do have a point….the job at hand is big enough

          • Sidebar: It’s fascinating looking at the demographics of the people who go to Black Lives Matter protests versus those involved in things like Cure Violence. There is very little overlap between the two groups.

            • Kas

              Excuse my ignorance for not knowing, but is the Cure Violence crowd older?

              • It’s mixed in my experience. It’s almost entirely composed of people from whatever neighborhood that branch is located. Lots of blue collar people. Not a ton of academics really outside of if you consider school teachers to be part of the academic circles.

            • That’s interesting. Part of that is that BLM has a lot of ties outside of traditional Black activism, but that divide comes off curious.

              • This is A LOT of those people are very academically inclined either literally through universities or within online communities. So it’s ironic that while a lot of them are outsiders so to speak they can only articulate their experiences with that inner circle academic language.

                • Me

                  This actually makes sense to me. In general, black people tend to leave their communities once they come into higher learning/higher income potential rather than stay behind to rebuild. So in a sense, the ails of communities plagued with black on black crime wouldn’t translate to the academically inclined because that segment would have moved up and out of those circumstances. Whereas, police brutality can strike at any time in any neighborhood as long as your skin is the right shade. So, that wouldn’t be something that they could educate themselves out of.

                  • Kas

                    Interesting and plausible angle

          • Cheech

            THIS.

          • Oluseyi

            Precisely this.

          • Leann Morris

            Notice how those people never talk about white on black crime though

        • Wild Cougar

          How exactly do you stop a murderer from murdering? Why is it the responsibility of people who happen to share the skin color of the murderer to do so before requesting equal civil and human rights from their government? Why are you not making white people responsible for stopping white murder. Next time you wanna tell Black folks to stop crime because they are Black, ask yourself if you think people commit crimes because of blackness then look in the mirror and you will have your answer.

          • Other_guy13

            Look, I’m not asking us to be superhuman. I’m asking us not to turn a blind eye. I didn’t turn out like a lot of the people I grew up with because the men at my Barber shop (which I am still involved with now)got a hold to me and I was allowed to work and stay busy. When we reach back and engage our youth instead of just letting them figure it out on their own, they tend to do better. I could care less about white on white crime because I’m not white…I actually lost friends that way so I have a different perspective. The work BLM does is great but its called Black lives matter. Meaning ALL black lives not just the ones taken by our government. I see it different that’s all. my opinion is my own.

            • Wild Cougar

              So, lets take this to it’s logical conclusion. Your family and the people around you showed you a better way than what you would have gone. Not Black people as a whole. Just your people. Those are the ones who have influence. Those are the ones who are responsible to you. Not Black people as a whole. Are you saying a group of strangers marching would have kept you off the street? Because that is what you are asking for. People to stop demanding to be treated as equals by the government so they can march in the streets to change the minds of children to whom they are strangers. What sense does that make? Being Black does not mean every knucklehead who happens to be Black is your responsibility. Please get that nonsense out of your head.

      • Lara

        I think most black men are pretty smart in dealing with the police. I wonder how many of them really even need BLM. Black women seem more likely to act irrationally with the police.

        • Kas

          ?side-eye? Come again?

        • Me

          Source?

        • Val

          Troll? I ask because the way WE, Black men or Black women ‘act’, has absolutely nothing to do with police brutality. Being a good n@gro won’t save us from police brutality.

          • Lara

            A few years ago I had a police officer corner me and yell and insult me for about ten minutes. I had done nothing wrong. I remained calm. I was angry for a while about it, but I’m over it now.

            • LMNOP

              And if that had escalated, that would have been entirely on the cop.

              Cops are human beings who need to be held accountable for their actions, not unstoppable deadly forces like fires or earthquakes that you just learn the safest way to deal with and hope for the best.

              • Lara

                I agree, but I don’t think it would have ended well for me. They always stick together. I just tried to avoid interaction with the police. Let someone else challenge them, my time is better spent on other things.

            • Oluseyi

              A few months ago a wealthy, famous, Harvard-educated black man and former professional athlete stood by the entrance to a hotel, waiting for a car to take him to a very famous international event, and a police officer took him down in a flying tackle on suspicion of being … a person involved in a petty phone scam.

              At no time did the officer, or any of the other four who came to “help” restrain him identify themselves. Only when another individual, a former cop, recognized him, did they release him. And no, they didn’t apologize.

              About a year ago, another wealthy, famous, tall black man and professional athlete—this one foreign-born and even bi-racial—was tackled so violently by police that his leg was broken, and his career is being derailed by the injury. The police throw out their usual claim of resisting arrest, but, uncharacteristically, offer to dismiss all charges if he will agree to perform one day of community service. He refuses, sues the police department and city, and wins.

              What’s that again about “being smart in dealing with the police”? I can keep going, and get progressively less famous and more regular. The idea that the onus is on us to prevent ourselves from being victims of police brutality is the most stupid, oblivious, racist thing you could say about the issue. BLM and Campaign Zero are vital, specific reactions and protestations to a culture of hostility and brutality in policing that absolutely must change.

              • Lara

                I don’t know anything about these two situations. I doubt these two professional athletes would spend a minute of their lives worrying about me. I stand by my original statement that a person is better dealing with the police as an individual, rather than as part of some collectivist movement. All BLM does is antagonize law enforcement and give them an excuse not to do their jobs. Considering how well most of them get paid, I want them working hard. If joining BLM gives your life meaning, so be it. It’s just not my thing.

                • Wild Cougar

                  What makes you think police ever needed an excuse, racist troll? Do you put your head in the sand until a white supremacist is talking? Seems like it. The police force in the United States was invented to terrorize and kill black people as an extension of the KKK. They have NEVER needed an excuse. Educate yourself before you spout racist nonsense. http://plsonline.eku.edu/insidelook/brief-history-slavery-and-origins-american-policing

                  • Lara

                    You obviously know nothing about white supremacists. They don’t like the police because they believe law enforcement is preventing them from having a violent confrontation with black radicals. It is average, law abiding people who support the police.

                    • Wild Cougar

                      If you believe that….nvm. Bye.

                • Oluseyi

                  So what you’re saying is that, in the plurality of situations in which people interacted with the police as individuals and suffered tremendous harm, including loss of life, well… f*ck ’em? It’s sunshine and roses in your world, and your philosophy makes them culpable for their own suffering and/or murder.

                  What you’re saying is that obvious, structural injustice that persists from region to region, is best addressed by smiling and hoping that the dysfunctional aggregate recognizes that you’re “one of the good ones”?

                  Gotcha. Your cowardice is an inspiration to us all.

                  • Lara

                    I have no interest in going down in a blaze of glory. If that makes me a coward I don’t care. There is still too much in life I want to experience. I’ve never found that being part of a big movement improved my life. It only seems to benefit the few people at the top.

                    • Oluseyi

                      Nobody wants to go down in a blaze of glory. BLM aren’t trying to go down in a blaze of glory. But they recognize that quiet, complacent obeisance never moves the needle. Your predecessors boycotted the bus service, sat in at lunch counters and marched; I guess you would have said they should have shut up and sat in the back of the bus, and appreciated the driver’s willingness to ferry them around?

                      Being part of a movement isn’t about improving your life. It’s about improving the lives of those who look like you, or otherwise are classified as you are, and will likely come after you. It’s a sacrifice, not a selfish investment.

        • Other_guy13

          Wait what?? Please explain your self

          • Other_guy13

            On second thought dont

      • CheGueverraWitBlingOn

        Clearly. And they don’t like Black people DEMANDING that their issues be heard and addressed in a straightforward and aggressive fashion. They don’t like it because even in name it strikes unflinchingly at the core of the problem of black people in these United States: white supremacy and institutionalization of the the concept that black peoples’ lives and humanity does not equal that of wypipo.

    • Brass Tacks

      i think the main reason BLM movement gets side eyed is because the message it conveys to many; including a lot of black people, is that our lives matter only when another ethnic group is causing the terror.

      Many counter that the wypipo for all their evils arent the ones they fear when they are trying to get home at night. I’ve tried to explain it, but then it becomes a game of nuance.

      So it matters when a cop shoots a possibly unarmed kid? Meanwhile; the ruffians on my block just killed a mother and her toddler while having a shoot out in front of their door. Where is the BLM movement for that? Or is it enough to rock the T-Shirts and hashtag tweets into the ether thinking that will spur change?

      These are not bad questions to be asking.

      • Other_guy13

        Finally we agree..lol

      • I get your nuance, but it definitely doesn’t fit well in hot takes. I get it somewhat.

      • Val

        “BLM movement gets side eyed is because the message it conveys to many;
        including a lot of black people, is that our lives matter only when
        another ethnic group is causing the terror.”

        But are those same people side-eyeing the American Heart Association because it doesn’t actively promote Liver or spleen health? Or the American Cancer Society because it doesn’t actively work to help the mentally ill?

        People seem to be able to figure out what organizations do based upon their mandate unless it’s BLM then everyone is confused as to why BLM isn’t the NAACP, The Black Panthers, Core and the ACLU all in one.

        • Brass Tacks

          That’s just it! To many; their idea of BLM compared to what it actually is, is flawed, simply because of their interpretation of the phrasing.

          Sad to say; many are not going to read the sites mission statement. Because besides first world probz, it’s easier just to retweet a BLM hashtag to whatever belief you have at that current moment and voila! You Down.

          Also, BLM, speaking from a networking, organizational, and grassroots viewpoint. Has a direct line to the culture, which gives it a chance to not only be mentioned amongst those other organizations, but potentially revolutionize the way we effect change.

          So, why won’t it be great?

          Or, are we (the lives WE say matter) wrong for expecting more?

          • Brother Mouzone

            BLM phrasing and interpretation confuses wypipo because they can’t wrap their minds around the concept that your life is as valuable as theirs.

            • Wild Cougar

              It comes down to this. The idea that Black Lives Matter, period, with no qualification, justification, explanation, but, what if behind it, is highly disturbing to many people, some of them Black.

      • Cheech

        The ruffians on your block do not have badges and the sanction of the public.

        There’s nothing wrong (much less hypocriticall) about calling out the police without assuming the burden of fixing crime.

      • -h.h.h.-

        i think the main reason BLM movement gets side eyed is because the message it conveys to many; including a lot of black people, is that our lives matter only when another ethnic group is causing the terror.

        the phrase itself, has a universal, general tone to it, because black lives should matter in all aspects, but it’s goal as a movement and as a organization is specific — police vs. minorities (and minorities within minorities; those who haven’t typically had the mic to speak)

        Many counter that the wypipo for all their evils arent the ones they fear when they are trying to get home at night. I’ve tried to explain it, but then it becomes a game of nuance.

        i haven’t really heard a good enough explanation for me other than “other groups are doing what they can” so i leave other people to do BLM stuff and i do my best to ensure that the black lives in my community matter.

    • There’s a great clip from Adam Curtis’ Century of the Self where he talks about the White Liberal Left (basically hipsters) tried to collaborate with the Panthers back in the day, and how it was a total disaster. The cause of the disaster was that the hipsters cared more about numbers and unity against the status quo by bringing together all the oppressed groups; whereas, the panthers were unabashedly, pro-black.

      This is why I’m pretty convinced that the All Lives Matter thing was started by a white hipster. That being said, the more you look back at the history since the 60’s, you realize this is just a repeat of a story that’s already been told…which is primarily my problem with with BLM.

    • LMNOP

      The statement “Black Lives Matter” is a lot like saying “babies should be fed.” If a person disagrees with it that tells you all you need to know.

  • KB

    You can’t be considered ‘honorary black folk’ when your prison reform policies directly led to mass incarceration of blacks during the 90s. Nah fam, we ain’t wit that.

    • TomIron361

      Don’t blacks who’re locked up get three meals a day, a place to stay rent free and a cot?

    • Kas

      I feel like there is a bit of revisionist history with this particular point. I think at the time there were a ton of Black people that were onboard with tougher laws. Granted we didn’t get the option of a helping hand like the current heroin epidemic is getting.

      • -h.h.h.-

        I feel like there is a bit of revisionist history with this particular point. I think at the time there were a ton of Black people that were onboard with tougher laws.

        in 1993 (the year before the crime bill was signed by Clinton) NYC was in a downward trend in murders, around 1946 (a couple years earlier, they peaked at 2200-ish)…in 1994, the year it was signed, 1561 murders. the year after? 1177. Now? we had 352 murders in 2015.

        to say this was just thrust upon us would be false; as a teenager at the time, i know i wasn’t paying too much attention. but i vaguely remember crime was bad, i do remember people wanting something done.

        however, as we know now, the process of a bill becoming a law adds layers of crap to make other people feel better. hindsight being 20/20, congress should have done more to refine the bill after it was passed.

      • CheGueverraWitBlingOn

        I’ve had this debate a couple of time so you’ll forgive the terseness Kas, cause you are making a valid point. Yes, there were a ton of Black people that were onboard for ‘tougher’ laws, but just about all of the serious groups in the communities also want further government action and legislation to strike at the cause of violence and disenfranchisement in communities and did not agree that the bill that was passed met with their sentiments. Many groups actually recoiled in horror when they saw the moves on ‘welfare reform’ that quickly followed and couple with the federal increase in funding for prison that (oh so coincidentally) matched the decrease in safety net programs, by 1998, even more were feeling they’d be had.

        There were MANY people in the communities and progressives that were flat out against it from jump. I remember this very clearly.

        • Question

          The disconnect lies with Our members of Congress.

        • Kas

          I replied elsewhere that people down in the trenches probably pushed back, but those of of us not directly involved/impacted were fine with going along (I.e., unwoke). No need to apologize for to me for speaking the truth as you know it.

      • Leann Morris

        Yes sir, I would love to hear how “tough” old slick Willie was on them white kids from the SUBURBS buying coke and heroin then making ecxtasy popular in New York. Nobody cared when rich white kids were doing the “in” drug of the time at clubs in chic America but let that be poor black folks and here come the Billy clubs and 50 year sentences for a $10 bag of pot. SMH!

  • Veronica Luckett Kirkland

    Real Talk: He doesn’t want her to be President. Simple.

    • Val

      That’s the one thing me and Bill have in common.

      • ChokeOnThisTea

        *CRINE*

  • Val

    Why is this a surprise to anyone? Bill Clinton showed his true colors when he was President and became a de facto Republican signing bills into law that put Black folks in prison and thrown off of welfare in record numbers.

    But, even if folks weren’t clued in to that just think back to 08 when Hillary was running against Barack and when Hillary fell behind Bill Clinton once again showed us who he really was.

    I hope Black folks en mass get a clue about the Clintons before it’s too late and Hillary is in the White House.

    • Freebird

      She’s not him though V.

      • Val

        She’s a reasonable facsimile though.

        • Freebird

          Yew knowit

      • She’s worse.

        • Freebird

          Sis I’m telling em on my end…..

    • He played the sax though

      • Val

        Right. It was just too easy for him to get an honorary Black card. Maya Angelou gets a lifetime demerit for describing him as the ‘first Black President’.

        • ChokeOnThisTea

          I think it was Terri McMillan who said it. But her judgment is questionable on a lot of things anyway, so….

          • Val

            Just looked it up, it was Toni Morrison. So she deserves the demerit. Lol

            • ChokeOnThisTea

              Noooo!!!! Not TONI???!!!!!!!! Da mn.

              Well, she earned that demerit.

            • Cheech

              Wow. Ok.

            • yep it was Toni Morrison, back then and now that generation of black women loved themselves some Bill and behind their backs he was setting land mines for their children and grand children, he could do no wrong, as far as they were concerned Bill Clinton walked on water.

        • ChokeOnThisTea

          But this “Honorary Black” foolishness has to stop though. Blackness is a birthright. Not a consolation prize.

          • Kas

            I would say just the opposite. It’s such an honor we shouldn’t be blessing people with it who don’t have receipts, and lots of them.

            • ChokeOnThisTea

              Agreed. That’s essentially what I’m saying, so we’re on the same page.

              • Janelle Doe

                I low-key wonder if we should have a checklist that includes number of stops and frisks or inability to get ahead professionally no matter your intellect or potential. And maybe number of times your expertise was diminished and undervalued (like being called a community organizer like it’s a bad thing)

          • Other_guy13

            Tell that to Rachel D. I’m all four it as long as there is a draft and the black delegation trades Ben Carson for Justin Timberlake or Robert Downey Jr in tropic thunder

          • Thank you…. none of these sobs are good enough to carry my melanin card. and fukk Gary Owens too…

            his thirsty a$$

          • Chris Oviatt

            But Bill SMOKED GRASS!

            • CheGueverraWitBlingOn

              But he didn’t inhale. You see the chicanery that runs deep with this dude?? People believed that BS too.

              • Chris Oviatt

                Bill Clintons family, made money from drug sales, that got black people hooked. And turned them into super predators, that he then sent to prisons, which he also made money from. The Clintons are very clever. Drugs and prisons, They invested there money wisely.

                • Sweet Ga Brown

                  Bu-but Hilary is going to reform the prison system and essentially undo all that her husband did, which she supported, during his presidency. Her gon’ be a shero for all the womenz who sons are unjustly incarcerated. Shes gonna be the magical cracker(for lack of a clever term).

                  • Deb0nair D0c

                    Great White Hope?

              • Snoopy – Your Friendly Neighbo

                LMAO

        • NoGames

          Yup^

        • Other_guy13

          Oh dear god I fogot about that…. So ashamed

        • NomadaNare

          I used to think this too so I looked up the actual quote

          You know Toni Morrison is much much deeper than that

          Heres the quote in its full context directly from Morrisons comment in the New Yorker

          “African-American men seemed to understand it right away. Years ago, in the middle of the Whitewater investigation, one heard the first murmurs: white skin notwithstanding, this is our first black President. Blacker than any actual black person who could ever be elected in our children’s lifetime. After all, Clinton displays almost every trope of blackness: single-parent household, born poor, working-class, saxophone-playing, McDonald’s-and-junk-food-loving boy from Arkansas. And when virtually all the African-American Clinton appointees began, one by one, to disappear, when the President’s body, his privacy, his unpoliced sexuality became the focus of the persecution, when he was metaphorically seized and body-searched, who could gainsay these black men who knew whereof they spoke? The message was clear: “No matter how smart you are, how hard you work, how much coin you earn for us, we will put you in your place or put you out of the place you have somehow, albeit with our permission, achieved. You will be fired from your job, sent away in disgrace, and—who knows?—maybe sentenced and jailed to boot. In short, unless you do as we say (i.e., assimilate at once), your expletives belong to us.”

          http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/1998/10/05/comment-6543

          Also given an interpretation by Ta-Nehisi Coates this quote says more about how power is utilized with respect to black bodies more than anything about Clinton himself

          http://www.theatlantic.com/notes/2015/08/toni-morrison-wasnt-giving-bill-clinton-a-compliment/402517/

          • Val

            Thanks, NN.

            • Freebird

              Donna Brazil called Hill a sister on CNN a couple of months ago. It was very disappointing.

              • Kas

                Oh wow, and I plan on voting for HRC

              • Val

                As much as I want to like Donna she is very much apart of the Clinton political machine.

          • Leann Morris

            Didn’t she go to college? Yet she sounds very stuck on stupid and last time I checked being a single parent revolving door of daddies was looked down on by the Pimptons themselves

          • DBo18

            I, too, understood the point having read the entire quote in its full context before opining about it on-air. But we all know (I’m pretty sure) the media cherry-picked it, and I was saddened that Toni opened the door – at all. Period. Seemed to me Val was, too. Just sayin’…

        • Chocolate King

          It was Toni Morrison and not his fellow Arkansas native, Maya Angelou, who coined the term first Black President.

        • It was Toni Morrison… I stopped reading her ish after that.

          • yep you are exactly right, but we have to consider she was married to a white man.

            • MissFLondon

              Makes no difference. Honorary black man though?

        • BrownKitty289

          Looking down on all of this she’s probably rolling in her grave right now… smh

        • Jacqueline

          Actually it was Toni Morrison who gave Bill Clinton that moniker and it had nothing to do with black people’s embrace of him, it had to do with how he was treated by other white people. He was n***erized (I know not a word).

          I think some of the people on this site may be to young to remember how these things played out in real time, but the black community were some of the strongest supporters of this crime bill at the time.

          I am not trying to cape for the Clintons, but I think in order for us to truly assess a situation we have to step back and see the whole picture.

          The main problem with the crime bill and any bill that is passed on a federal level, is that states are allowed to administer it in anyway they see fit, so if a state is filled with reckless, racist legislators, then this is what you get.

          It broke my heart to see how this played out, but it also broke my heart to see my adopted city (and other cities) plagued with behavior that was plain and simply madness. It is still going on and the answer is that they are not putting people in jail for murders for a long time.

          Often you will find that either the person who does the killing or the victim both have served time for murder or manslaughter. It is heartbreaking

          • Overtymer Adio

            I don’t know about that. Many in the AA community was dead set against the three strikes rule for it would unfairly imprison those who had not committed any serious or violent crimes against anyone. Many were imprisoned for repeat small offenses, such as not paying child support, breaking probation, or fist fights and getting long prison sentences.

        • DBo18

          Actually, it was Toni Morrison, 1998. Deep sigh.

          • Val

            You might want to read the entire thread before you pass out from all that sighing. Lol!

            • DBo18

              This was the first reference to Maya that I saw, so reading the entire thread wasn’t necessary to address the error. But, my sigh was NOT directed towards you, Val. I was sighing because Toni is a Nobel Laureate; one of our greatest writers (sorta like Maya, I guess), and I was truly sad that she introduced that meme at all. I remember when it happened, and as a broadcaster myself, I discussed my displeasure on-air at that time. Your response to me was rather snippy. I’m just letting you know you misread me by taking it so personally. But I guess, no harm; no foul.

        • Mary Burrell

          I thought it was Toni Morrison who gave Clinton the honorary black president pass. I thought it was crazy even back then.

      • Cheech

        On Arsenio.

      • United_Dreamer

        He didn’t get the “George” joke though.

    • Brother Mouzone

      Another “cool white boy” okeydoke pulled over on Black people….WHEN.WILL.WE.LEARN?!

    • Other_guy13

      But who else gone go to the White House. Kanye can’t run yet and Frank Underwood isn’t real?

      • Cheech

        Ha! I’m not a Kanye fan but he spoke the plain truth about Dubya.

        • Other_guy13

          See you about to start something… Don’t get me to burning Bushes

        • ChokeOnThisTea

          And looked like a scared lil bish while doing it too. Lol! I’m never here for wannabe-gangsta Ye.

          • Cheech

            And then Mike Myers about swallowed his own head. No. Idea. What. To do.

            • ChokeOnThisTea

              Right. But Chris Tucker’s facial expression was the real MVP of that clip. Lol!

            • Leann Morris

              “Don’t say that donkey” [Scottish accent]

        • baileythedog

          I swear, I watch that video every 6 months or so just to remind myself of what perfect on-screen hilarity that was. Mike Myers and Chris Tucker—put on the spot so awkwardly that Larry David couldn’t do any better.

          And Mike Myers’ guest spot on SNL months later when Kanye was guest was also priceless.

          Yeah, Kanye’s a douche. But he was also right.

    • Cheech

      2008 pre-SC primary was when I’d had it with them.

    • And to mention he is the sole cause why the Rwandan genocide occured….. while he gave Bosnians asylum…

      Fukk him.. Poor white trash turned president… these kneegrows confused black folks with a poor a$$ hillbilly… I hate them. Hillary married down and they are both racist as fawk.

      Even rich white folks thought Bill was garbage.

      • Kas

        Say what you really think. :)

      • Sarah Bessem Bate

        How was he the solo cause of the Rwandan genocide? By no means is Bill not a POS and a racist but the Belgians orchestrated the destruction that disrupted in Rwanda before Bill was even born. His only real fault there was not helping refugees but I still think that needs to be the fault of Belgium and the rest of Europe.

        • Bill Clinton REFUSED to use the word genocide in order for military action you stop what was happening… I don’t need a history lesson.

          The United States held the Trump card to intervene and by calling it “ethnic cleansing” in place of what it really was… 1 million lives were lost.

          • MissFLondon

            You’re both right.
            Yes, the Belgian colonial system caused this. I find it worrying how few mentions they get for their stellar work in multi generational terror.
            Yes Clinton did nothing.

            • But if you know about the history… the Belgians didn’t do anything different than any other colonizing European country….

              The caveat in this case was Bill Clinton directly.

              • MissFLondon

                Don’t be fooled by the Belgian PR stance. Now they are the centre of EU democracy, they are stepping back from their colonial past. While the British came up with divide and conquer, the French and Belgian use of force and violence was excessive, I say this as a Nigerian who knows people from Rwanda. Do you think that it’s a coincidence that the most vicious ongoing civil wars in Africa have involved francophones? Bill Clinton is not the cause of tribal warfare, he didn’t ignite the flame. What he did do was ignore an already escalating genocide in Rwanda. Not intervening and causing are extremely different, especially when the catalyst for the violence is the one atrocity in which your nation did not get involved. The finger pointing in Clinton’s direction, while not entirely incorrect, has reduced the real responsibility of other nations, who rather than just not intervening, actually encouraged and inflamed the crisis, Clinton failed during after the fact, that isn’t cause.

                • You’re missing my point… Belgium did white folks do..start a shyt show and leave… Hutu/Tutsi genocide would NOT have resulted in the deaths of 1 million in 3 months had Clinton said that this was a genocide.

                  European forces were in Rwanda waiting for the ok…. and they cleared out all nationalists when they were not given that signal… the slaughters came after forces started to leave… there was a thin veil of protection from the UN prior…. He caused that.

                  • MissFLondon

                    I am aware of the facts in the guardian article; they have been publicly available, and discussed for a while. If you notice, the discussion is about intervening in an already escalating genocide, identifying it and then utilising the already available resources to stem it. As I’ve said before, he worsened the situation, but no, he did not cause it. At this time, the genocide was already happening, if you don’t believe the western press ask a Rwandan. Clinton was negligent and incompetent, perhaps even had other motives, but the cause? hardly.

                    • Compare the number of lives lost in Bosnia vs. Rwanda at that time. One million lives in 3 months would not have happened had there been military intervention.. that’s all I’m saying.. he held that card.

                      I don’t follow Western news.. I do Link TV or AL Jazeera and not AL Jazeera US…

                    • MissFLondon

                      I’m not doubting that his negligence worsened and already terrible situation; I take issue with the notion that he caused it.

          • truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

            You’re right.

    • CheGueverraWitBlingOn

      And he tried to front like it was some inescapable fight that they had with republicans. bullshyt…It was not a fight. I remember. They compromise and they know juuuust what to throw in the towel on…

      • Leann Morris

        That bleep bleep has been throwing us under the bus, train, tractor and minivan for a long time now

    • CheGueverraWitBlingOn

      Val, I’m telling you…people are falling for this okey doke. Even worse, there are people who are on some…’oohh there’s no way they could have known!’ and even this same excuse that Bill Clinton just used (they were pressured into it by the overwhelming clamor of community group. Such abhorrent bullshyt. The lie to our face and we continue to swallow it.

    • Amber

      I’m so late to the conversation but I never really understood the Clinton love. His policies were terrible for black people and I think the reasons that people give him a so called black pass is a slap in the face to black men.

      • Question

        I’ve long thought this. Thats why it grates me when I hear Black men call him the First Black President.

        It makes me think though – I would love to have some conversations with some older heads who love The Clintons (and therefore are riding with HRC). What is the basis of their love?

        • Epsilonicus

          The economy. Many think the economy will go back to the 90s if HRC is elected.

          • Question

            Is that what it is? But how much of that had to do with Clinton policies (asking generally, not asking you specifically)?

            • Leann Morris

              Some of it was leftovers from Regan and Bush but he didn’t do JACK to change it either. In fact MANY jobs got outsourced while Pimpton was president

              • Question

                I think a lot of people mistakenly use the term “outsourced” when in reality, a lot of jobs were offshored not for the sake of lower costs, but in order to gain access to new markets for existing products. The US had reached pique consumption of electronics, vehicles and appliances which meant that US companies had two options: new products or new customers for existing products, and they sought the latter.

                What’s the difference? One is purely about slashing costs, the other is about increasing/maintaining top line sales. The desire to go abroad was as much about market access.

                Why does the difference matter?

                Because if we don’t start pushing companies to start investing in innovation (Peter Thiel), this short lived “expansion” we’re experiencing is going to be followed by a similar pattern of offshoring in search of customers. The problem this time around is the dollar relative to foreign currencies.

          • Didn’t NAFTA quicken the death of manufacturing? They looking for another round of that?

    • Janelle Doe

      Tell it like it is Val. For anyone out here who aino

    • truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

      Right on Sister.

      The more people study his policies, the more we see that he acted as a blatant centrist not a true progressive. Bill Clinton’s advocacy of the three strikes policies, of NAFTA, and other reactionary bills during his tenure as President has harmed many black people. Bill Clinton has shown what he is with his statements in 2008 and in 2016. Bill spoke about Obama in 2008 in these terms: “A few years ago, this guy would have been getting us coffee.” The Crime Bill is never infallible and we are in opposition of oppression and injustice. Bill Clinton’s foreign policy harmed Haitians, bombed a factory in the Sudan, and executed other erroneous actions. Bill Clinton slandering protesters in lying by claiming that these protesters want to defend murderers and drug dealers is absurd. Many people in prison as a product of the Crime Bill are nonviolent drug offenders not murderers or drug dealers. I certainly agree with you completely.

  • Freebird

    But Hillary will make am excellent POTUS!

    • MissMiamiHeatNation

      We are collectively asking you to go troll somewhere else.

      • Val

        FB isn’t a troll. And I’m hoping he’s joking. Lol

        • Kas

          So it’s looking like Bernie won’t be the nominee. Do you sit it out if HRC is the nominee? Not looking to debate, just curious as to how deep your distaste goes.

          • Me

            I’ll absolutely either leave that box blank or write-in if Hillary is the nominee. To be fair, I’d only vote Bernie as a lesser of evils since I don’t trust none of those mf on the ballot this year.

            • YeaSoh

              Right… What if everyone wrote in Bernie after Hil got nominated? lol that would be hilarious

              • Me

                Wouldn’t be farfetched. Marco Rubio was still getting votes after he dropped out. I think he even bested Kasich (or maybe it was Cruz) in the primary after he announced. I suspect Bernie might run Green if he loses though.

                • YeaSoh

                  Hmm I’m gonna start a “write in Bernie” campaign if he doesn’t get the nom

                • Kas

                  Kasich

                  • Me

                    Thanks

                • Cheech

                  He won’t do it. He’s not a Nader MF.

                  • Me

                    I don’t know. He’s already proven that he can get the votes. And if we believe that the main reason Clinton has been able to stay a step ahead of Sanders is because she’s been doubling down on early voters (which Sanders hasn’t been doing until recently), it may be enough for him to try his hand as an Independent. From what I’ve been reading, it seems that Bernie actually takes the lead when voting occurs all on the same day with no early voting option, which signals that Clinton is only winning on a technicality (if we believe the reports).

                    • Kas

                      “it seems that Bernie actually takes the lead when voting occurs all on the same day with no early voting option”. I would counter with Republican candidates do better when you put obstacles in place for people that are likely to vote Democratic. If you look at the demographic that votes for Bernie, restricting to no early voting favors him.

                    • Me

                      Not saying that we should take away early voting. I’m just saying that the fact that Clinton made concerted efforts in the states that have early voting options whereas Sanders wasn’t slick enough to notice that angle is the technical reason that she’s beating him according to some sources. They’re saying, if you look at the polls where Clinton didn’t have that maneuver to make, Bernie actually beats her in the footrace. Which says to me that, if he does lose the primaries, and has this information on hand, it would be easy/feasible enough for him to switch up his strategy, hit up those early voting states for the general and beat her as an Independent, all else being equal (the effect of splitting the vote not factored in).

                    • Kas

                      Facts: Bernie has done well in States that are primarily white and he definitely gets the youth vote. The States that are best set up for him to win, don’t award enough delegates for him to win. The argument that he and his team make is that he is going to get this swell of new voters to vote. Thus far that hasn’t been the case.

                      My opinon: If he runs as an independent, my guess is the Republicans win the election.

                    • Me

                      Whites are only the minority in 4 states, and only 1 of those states have voted so far: Hawaii, which Sanders won. So I don’t necessarily believe the hype about Bernie only appealing to wypipo. I think it’s too soon to tell if his Indie run would cause a Republican presidency since both of the Republican front runners are hated by their own parties and by non Republican voters, but a lot would be at play so I can’t confidently make a guess either way.

                    • Epsilonicus

                      Plus lets say Trump doesn’t get the nom and runs as a 3rd party, Sanders could strongly consider a 3rd party run also.

                    • Me

                      Forgot to consider that Trump would also be in the same boat. So both parties could realistically split the votes this year. Would be very interesting.

                    • Kas

                      If Trump does a 3rd party run and Bernie does the same, I think we end up with Trump as President. Again, pure conjecture on my part, since even the pundits are getting it wrong this election cycle.

                    • Epsilonicus

                      Explain why you say that. I really have no clue who would win of both Trump and Sanders jump in as independents

                    • Kas

                      You want me to support my opinion with facts? If I had known there was going to be a quiz, I would have kept my opinion to myself. Also refer to the “pure conjecture” part of my comment above. Nonetheless, here you go:
                      Voters have been turning out in greater numbers on the Republican side than the Democratic side. Not unusual since Democratics usually don’t show up except for the Presidential election. However, even in Presidential elections the Democrat is winnning with only something like 51% of the votes cast (much larger percentage of the electoral vote though). I think Trump’s ability to pull existing Republican voters and add people who don’t typically vote but lean Republican/Trump crazy is greater than Bernie’s ability to do the same on the Democratic side. However, I think Bernie would be strong enough to take HRC below the level of support needed to beat Trump.

                    • Kas

                      This cracked me up. Pulled from another article.

                      “After many speeches and debates, I see no “revolution” coming in the poll results. Bernie’s support comes from educated white males, young white women, Ta-Nehisi Coates, and the Screen Actors Guild. That’s not a political revolution, that’s the check out line at Whole Foods.”

                    • Kas

                      You theory is predicated upon Republicans voting for Democratic Jewish man. I think his message would only appeal to working class whites that vote republican. I’m not saying you are wrong (because in this election season nothing makes sense), but I don’t see it.

          • Val

            The contest hasn’t been decided yet. Hillary, and the media corporations that back her, would like everyone to think it is so that Bernie’s supporters will stop supporting Bernie and support her. So, until there is an official nominee I’m just going to keep supporting Bernie.

            • Kas

              Fair enough

            • Cheech

              I wish I was still with you. I was an early Bernie supporter. (I remember when he was mayor of Burlington.) But I have reluctantly concluded he’s not up to the whole job. And he’s not supporting other D’s. We need Congress and state houses back too.

              Ugh. Hillary. I can’t believe it, but I’ll do it.

            • PDL – Cape Girl

              Mmm hmm

          • Cheech

            My distaste for the Clintons is deep, but my dis taste for the Trump/Cruz clown show so much deeper. I will put on my gas mask, and go pull the lever for HRC.

            • Kas

              I’m not a big fan of either, but oddly enough I trust HRC more than Bernie. I’ll vote for whomever gets the nomination.

              • Cheech

                That is odd. But pull that D lever, brother.

        • MissMiamiHeatNation

          I’m hoping with you. I haven’t been on VSB in a while so I see some new names. I thought this one was familiar….

      • Freebird

        Relax boo

  • Damon Young

    Someone just said this on Facebook. I laughed:

    You either die a hero or live long enough to drop the “what about black on black crime though”

    • Andrew Vanbarner

      I don’t know if you were around for the 1990s. The crack thing was pretty bad. Funeral homes, hodpitals, and courthouses were doing a brisk business, and even Manhattan was bad.
      That’s why they passed that bill – fear of crack, and fear of AIDS. Not much thought as to what happens after release or parole, though, or what happens half the men are cleared out of a neighborhood.

      • donna

        Actually there was not much though as to what would happen to the children when Bill locked the daddies up for non violent offenses and cut the safety net for single mothers sending them to work three part time jobs for starvation wages.

        The 13 years old Bill talked about yesterday became a part of the drug trade because they were hungry and the drug industry does not care who it hires. But babies don’t make good gangsters because they had no impulse control, so the streets turned bloody and there were no men around to reel it in. Thank you Bill for destroying entire communities while at the same time giving your buddies who manufactured the crack and who laundered the drug money a pass.

        • Photoshop’s a helluva drug

          Bill did not destroy our communities. They were already in disarray. I am so sick of us as a people looking for scapegoats for something we need to fix ourselves. We move away from “our community” as soon as we can afford to. We spend $5 a day on a cup of coffee but don’t give $1 a week to community based programs. We spend $10 & 2 hours of our lives to see trash like “Meet the Blacks” but act a hero because we passed out turkey one day a year on Thankgiving. Bill shouldn’t have said that. But I have said it a dozen times before he did. I love my cousin and my son’s father, my friend’s brother but they made the choice to sells drugs so I didn’t cry when they went to jail. One of them is dead the other two got themselves together. Bill didn’t shoot him, his connect did.

          • I don’t know about you but I’m in the trenches… I can’t let you tell that lie about us leaving.

            • Photoshop’s a helluva drug

              I live in the hood. Good people with good jobs left. I might have left if it my children were younger. It is what it is. I lived in Indianapolis. I speak only to it and not to other cities. They left and bought crappy houses in outlying counties that promptly ghettified. If you can afford it then the drug dealer can too. You wanted better schools, you wanted a nearby grocery store, I get it. Dont tell me because I stayed and continue to try and work it to be better. I’m one of the few non renter’s on the street. Naw YOU don’t call me a liar. And pulease don’t preach to me about trenches.

              • So if YOU’RE THERE.. you didn’t leave and that holds true to anybody else..your point was moot. I’m from Detroit and despite all the hipsters and white folks moving in… Black natives are making change.

                • Photoshop’s a helluva drug

                  Just curious how old were you in 1994? I was 18 pregnant with my first child. Worried about gun shots most nights. I am so over people acting like all these good guys were put away. It was scary and people can play monday morning quarterback but I had no problem with people going to jail for violence.

                  • I was 20, in college and mentoring kids from my old neighborhood in the D.. Brightmoor…trying to teach kids that they can be better than what they live in… all this while being the cousin of one of the original members of YBI.

                    And having mfers act like me and my sister thought they were were better than them because we had focus and a plan.

                    I’ve lost a family member to a violent death dayum near every year from 1981-2001.. and countless friends..

                    Drug dealers, murderers of good black folks all deserve a fiery death.

                    That doesn’t mean give the dude selling weed life..

                    • Photoshop’s a helluva drug

                      If the majority of lifer in prison were selling weed I would agree with you but they weren’t. They were selling crack and heroin. They were robbing, carrying guns and doing violence. Yes there were some people who went to jail because they were addicts and treatment should have been part of the solution. It is disgusting that now thatit young white people on heroin its a health issue not a crime. That being said the war on drugs started 20 years before Bill was president but he is always the one people want to blame. You talk about ’81? How is that on Bill?

          • NoGray

            All the data says this old argument often made by middle class blacks and whites isn’t true (see E. Franklin Frazier 1957). Most middle class black people live in predominantly black neighborhoods in close proximity to black poor neighborhoods (Read Black Picket Fences or Black on the Block by Mary Pattillo). The black middle class has not outmigrated en masse. The violence associated with underground economies is not endemic to black people or black neighborhoods (see white ethnic neighborhoods during prohibition), it is how markets are regulated when there is no protection force from the state. And when we stop believing this fiction that there is something fundamentally wrong with black people and begin to understand what we are seeing is the result of structural inequality, we will make demands on this system and stop absolving people like the Clintons for their responsibility in policymaking.

            • Photoshop’s a helluva drug

              I make no absolutions for policymakers. I speak from my life, my experience. I read Black Picket Fences 10 years ago so I cant speak with authority on it. 10-15 years ago everyone was moving to new crappy cheaply made houses in the suburbs. Empty houses, slum lords and dying older homeowners left my neighborhood to disrepair and allowed vagrants drugs, and violence to become common.

            • Thank you!

              • My parents still live in the house I grew up in.. Rosedale Park in Detroit.. And many other blacks do too.

            • truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

              Amen.

            • United_Dreamer

              You’ll probably never see this response but if you do, I just want to let you know that was a great post!

            • lissa_the_cocoa

              Please preach this. I’m tired of our own folks castigating us.

        • Andrew Vanbarner

          Bill’s buddies manufactured the crack? How’s that?

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    • Mary

      You would laugh cause that is all you can do because your stupid with your big bold Fuck off Bill Clinton. Your the one who sterotypes and your the one who needs and education. Fuck you angry Damon.

  • KB

    So I just read an article where in a speech ole Billy Clint declared, “Black Lives Matter protestors are defending Murderers and Drug Dealers”
    Yep. FUCK. THE. CLINTONS!

    • fxd8424

      Yep, he was in Philly today, talking that crap.

  • Vanity in Peril

    That’s why you don’t hand the dog the phone. All he knows is, “woof.”

    • Sounds like a lyric from a blues song by a woman.

  • Ghettoprincess

    He’s like the white O.J. Totally undeserving.

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