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Beware The Straight Agenda (To Oppress The Queer Community)

Is there really a gay agenda? Are queer folks conspiring to present the world with media and propaganda centered around their experiences in order hypnotize us until we forget that we like the opposite sex? Is the LGBTQIA community holding secret meetings with Missy Armitage where she teaches the latest tea cup stirring techniques? Are all straight people subject to losing their sexual preference simply because they’ve been exposed to images of people who don’t fit on a linear heteronormative binary?

The answer to these questions is, of course, an emphatic HELL NAW.

So why do some of our ain’t shit cousins — who still owe us gas money from when Amoco was a one stop shop for petroleum and gut bubbling gas station snacks — believe this trash to be true? Because they’re dedicated to a toxic straight agenda that mirrors the hateful rhetoric of white supremacy.

The truth is, there is no gay agenda except for the desire to be free. But there are fellow straight folks in the black delegation (and commissions of other hues) who believe they’re at risk of losing their straightness through queer conversion. As if the gay community is coming for our sexual preference like the three million illegal immigrants who came for our ballots on election day and our jobs thereafter. That’s not how any of this works, because none of those things are true, but say that to a toxic straight person or a racist person and they’ll disagree with facts by brandishing lies with a violent commitment to stupidity.

Stalwarts of homophobic and transphobic rhetoric bare a striking resemblance to bigots who want to make America great again at the expense of black and brown lives. Both are hell-bent on denying the humanity of queer people and people of color on the basis of their natural dispositions. When homophobes try to “pray the gay away,” or when transphobes block transpeople from accessing public bathrooms, or when racists criminalize a dead black child after a state sanctioned murder, they manage to do the work of the oppressor in unison.

These illogical views are usually packaged with a misguided commitment to patriarchy as a badge of social honor.

It’s foolish to parrot the will of the oppressor when their motive is entirely dedicated to our collective demise. People threatened by an increase of queer visibility are as daft as racists who refuse to acknowledge black and brown folks as normal human beings who simply wish to live on this planet. Whether one is queer, trans, gender-nonconforming, or straight, we all struggle in the midst of a specific form of oppression. Oppressed straight folks who marginalize queer folks are stuck in a trance provided by the white supremacist gaze, but that doesn’t stop us from being oppressed, no matter how high up we may feel on the social totem pole. A queer agenda to proselytize straight people is, in-effect, nonexistent, but the straight agenda to persecute queer people on the basis of their inherent nature needs to be stopped by us posthaste.

The way we take white folks to task for ordering us to cure racism, we should be relying on straight folks to unlearn hatred and push back against the persecution of the LGQTQIA community. If all black lives truly do matter, this should come as no problem at all. Right?

Dante Clark

Dante Clark is a Bronx-raised southpaw scribe who will gladly write for a Chopped Cheese Sandwich and a monthly unlimited MetroCard.

  • lol I love the term “gay agenda”. It makes me think that something very important is transpiring.

    • Roz

      Like I need to pull out my notepad, might get quizzed later.

    • Brooklyn_Bruin

      If they have a meeting, what kinda snacks they got in the conference room?

      *sees myself out*

  • HouseSublime

    This article had me reading about ‘intersex’ for the last 15-20 mins. Had no clue what the term even was (I’m still thinking LGBTQ was the full acronym). Really interesting reading about all the genetic conditions and things that can cause it.

    • Charles Johnson

      Look up disorders of sexual development.

  • BT

    Alotta letters.

    • SoonToBeMrs

      Exit. To the left, to the left.

    • Val

      There is a conversation going on. Some Lesbian and gay folks think there are too many being included. I don;t agree.

      • PhlyyPhree

        I don’t know if there are too many, I don’t have the right to have an opinion on that. It’s confusing for me as a curious person who mostly identifies as hetero trying to figure out where I fit in and what’s going on.
        I wish there was a way to simplify without demeaning/demoting anyone.

        • Val

          Where you fit in is up to you. Do not let anyone decide for you where or if you belong. And for all of those thinking too many are being included there are more who say everyone is welcome.

          • PhlyyPhree

            Yea. I kind of liken those who say there are too many to the white suffragettes. They got their vote and as for everyone else…..
            And no one can decide anything for me on a good day. I meant it was moreso a struggle for me because with all of the fluidity among some terms, I give up most days and leave it at “Is we or ain’t we? Oh. Ok”

      • miss t-lee

        Oh word? Did not know that.

        • Val

          I think it’s become mostly a generational thing. Older lesbians and gays becoming conservative, I guess? Younger folks are generally open to all being included, as I am.

          • miss t-lee

            Ah, got it.

    • BrothasKeeper

      I wadn’t gonna say it, but….

    • Charles Johnson

      What that mean? The phrase I mean

      • Other_guy13

        Hi and bye

        • Charles Johnson

          Really?! I got a legit question and the blaspheme I spoke on the last post is traveling to me here?! OG you wrong for this man SMFDAHTTN

          • Other_guy13

            Opps…I entirely read that wrong Charles. I seriously thought he said “Aloha Letters” Like he was saying “hi and bye” to not be in the conversation….my bad bruh

            • Charles Johnson

              It’s all good fam, I can take a hit just not a beating (see mac and cheese thread ???)

              • Other_guy13

                Oh…there’s a Mac n cheese thread again?

                • Charles Johnson

                  Nah on the other post, you didn’t witness my funeral. Ninjas came for the throat, I didn’t survive man

                  • Lea Thrace

                    I came back to see just the bones that had been picked clean.

                    My condolences to your fam

                    (*whispers* I think mac and cheese is trash 99.69% of the time, but ima say it over here where no one is paying attention)

                    • Other_guy13

                      Oh…I don’t eat mac n cheese either. It makes me throw up every time….sue me

                    • Lea Thrace

                      You,me, and Chuck can be over here on our lil mac &cheese less islands chilling. Will be a good life!

                    • Other_guy13

                      Just give me my spaghetti or Cajun chicken pasta and let me live.

                    • Wowza23

                      *applies for residency* I despise macaroni & cheese.

                    • Charles Johnson

                      Where were you?! I got bodied fam. that .21% is why you still breathing and I’m not

                  • Other_guy13

                    Oh….that sucks…we still friends..unless you talked about my mama

                    • Charles Johnson

                      Cats were comin at me like I did!!!

                  • Kas loves Jamaican Breakfast

                    Cream cheese I’m guessing. If so, sorry I wasn’t there to fight by your side.

      • Kas loves Jamaican Breakfast

        Which one?

        • Charles Johnson

          A lotta letters

          • Kas loves Jamaican Breakfast

            A lot of letters
            The “I” and “A” stand for interchex and achexual

            • Other_guy13

              Ohhhhhhhhhhh

            • Charles Johnson

              Oooooooohh, I thought that was a phrase unrelated to the acronym, appreciate it

    • cyanic

      I agree, but everything is a thing is a thing now.

  • CrankUpThe_AC

    I was having a conversation yesterday about Chimamanda Adichie’s comments about “Trans women being trans women” and so many thoughts came to mind.

    One, I didn’t think there had ever been a group as marginalized as black women but for the first time I’m wondering if the LGBTQIA community iss that? Maybe it’s always been that way and I never realized it.

    Two, I’m asking earnestly. Is there anything inherently wrong with acknowledging that there is a difference between Trans women and cis-women? They of course deserve the same rights but people do have an innate desire to categorize others and I can’t say for certain that that’s inherently bad.

    Thoughts?

    • I understand what Chimamanda Adiche was trying to say, but at best, it was a poor choice of words. Sometimes it’s best to shut up when you don’t have the right language to articulate your thoughts.

      • miss t-lee

        This.

      • HouseOfBonnets

        Especially with social media now

      • cyanic

        I thought she understood her stance and was polite with the execution.

    • Val

      Apparently a lot of hardcore Feminists have a problem with transwomen. I don;t know why.

      If you say you are a woman then as far as I’m concerned you are.

      It’s interesting how almost no one ever talks about transmen.

      • The sad thing is that they sound a lot like right wingers when they talk transwomen, talking about they’re just doing it to get some nani. Yeesh! I get that you’re all about girl power, but taking hormones for years, going through years of therapy and getting a bunch of surgeries seems to be a lot of work to go get some. Perhaps they realize that the whole male identity thing ain’t working for them, ya know?

        It’s like they assume anything vague related to masculinity is bad. Again, very right wing.

      • HouseOfBonnets

        A recent article discussed this very thing. Many trans-men said the difference in treatment was eyeopening.

        • Brooklyn_Bruin

          Trans men have a lot to teach men about what maleness means in practice.

          • cyanic

            What exactly? If they’re nicer it is because they’re women.

            • Brooklyn_Bruin

              When trans dudes try to holla at regular chicks – it’s very eye opening for them – what chicks are are like.

              On the flip, when they deal with guys – they notice all sorts of stuff that guys don’t pay attention to.

              I remember this one chick was like, “Men never/rarely and spontaneously boost each other’s ego”.

              Similar to guys who go into transition really talk about the depth of misogyny that’s just not comprehensible if you don’t look like a woman.

      • YouNITeeWhy

        you’re right, no one ever really talks about trans men. i think that’s because once they transition and pass as a man then society automatically gives them male privilege. their appearance etc is scrutinized like that of a trans woman just like cis males aren’t scrutinized as much by society.

      • Me

        I think no one talks about transmen because few people believe they’re more than tomboys or b u t c h women, so they get ignored at best and patronized at worst. Whereas when someone doesn’t believe a transwoman, they still operate under the notion that they’re dealing with a man, so all the brutality and force comes out no holds barred… my theory.

        • Jennifer

          Bingo.

        • Val

          “… they still operate under the notion that they’re dealing with a man, so
          all the brutality and force comes out no holds barred…”

          Makes sense.

        • M’kali-Hashiki

          This.

      • Other_guy13

        Okay so this has always confused me….as long as you say you are something then it’s okay? Like we just accept it and move on?

        • Val

          Why not?

          • Other_guy13

            It doesn’t work like that for everybody though. It probably should…but it doesn’t. Just an observation

            • Kas loves Jamaican Breakfast

              You just won’t let it go. Aight then, pop the question.

              • Other_guy13

                I was being subtle…testing the waters…but yes….that has been bothering me for a while.It just don’t make sense to me….I’m not asking until I’m forced lol

                • Kas loves Jamaican Breakfast

                  I’m tempted myself.

                  • Other_guy13

                    Nope….gotta stay on the good side

                    • Kas loves Jamaican Breakfast

                      I’m ok with one and not the other. Here’s why. Racheal was using it to get over. Someone born one chex and feeling that they are the other is definitely not doing it to get over, because they are picking a super hard road to walk.

                    • Other_guy13

                      I agree but really….Rachel was using it to get over. Who chooses to be a black woman over being a privileged white girl? I’m not saying she was right but nobody gave her the benefit of the doubt. They said it was because she took minority scholarships (she could have gone to an HBCU and received one as well). What if a trans woman got scholarships to Spelman….would it have been the same outcry? That was my biggest question. To me the crime seemed equal but treated differently. I just want clarity that’s all. Thanks for forcing this out of me Kas lol

                    • Kas loves Jamaican Breakfast

                      As a Black woman she was a professor and head of a NAACP chapter. As a yt woman she is damn near homeless. She built an entire career off of being a “lightskint” black woman.

                    • Lea Thrace

                      “Who chooses to be a black woman over being a privileged white girl?”

                      Someone who was attention seeking. And did not mind that the attention would be negative. In fact, she thrives on the negative attention. It elevates her narcissism that much more.

                    • Other_guy13

                      I’m just saying…she must really think highly of her skills to go that route.

                    • Lea Thrace

                      textbook narcissist…

                    • cakes_and_pies
      • `Abdu’l-Karim Ewing-Boyd

        Some interesting conversations happening in the Spelman / Bennett world about who is welcome at women’s colleges.

        • Val

          Yeah, those conversations have been going on for a while.

      • cyanic

        Sticking feathers up your butt does not make you a chicken. – Tyler Durden.

      • Blueberry01

        My guess is that since they weren’t born as women, they never truly experienced the socialization of female gender norms or gender-specfic physiological traits (e.g. menstruation). In essence, trans women are trying “appropriate” female gender culture.

        Sidenote: I’ve always wondered if our society wasn’t so rigid with binary gender norms, would individuals feel the need to transition?

    • YouNITeeWhy

      as a cis-woman and a lesbian, I agree with Chimamanda’s view. there is a difference between being born a woman and how you are treated growing up, and becoming one later in life. the sexism and misogyny…puberty etc. those things are not shared among trans-women. i don’t think she meant it to be exclusionary. but, they took it that way…

      • M’kali-Hashiki

        I read an interesting piece by a Black trans woman. It pointed out that young trans girls actually *don’t* receive male privilege in the way that cisboys do. That they are constantly being being browbeaten with how they are not masculine enough. Cuz unlike the Heteronormative Agenda pretends, most trans women don’t just suddenly realize they’re trans at 50. They might not have the language to articulate who they are & they might have been repressing themselves, but a lot of transwomen knew they were women when they were young & more importantly, everyone around them usually knew they weren’t “male” & they were punished for it.

        Also c’mon, we know there is more to being a woman than having a vag, a menstrual cycle, & bearing children. Isn’t that what feminism is about? “Biology is not destiny?” (Which isn’t really a good
        argument since we know there is more than XX & XY).

        Rich women have a different life experience than poor women but they’re both women. And rich women who were born poor have a different life experience than rich women who were born rich. And yet in the end, they’re both rich women.

        • YouNITeeWhy

          I never said that they weren’t women. I said they don’t have the same experiences growing up that cis women do. They don’t. As soon as the Dr. says “it’s a boy” they have been set on a different road than those who are born women have. I also never said that their trials and tribulations aren’t valid or dehumanizing. But they do not carry the same burden of women born children before they recognize that they are different. Also comparing gender to wealth… Apples and oranges. No one ever said they were not women.

    • SoonToBeMrs

      I don’t see it being wrong acknowledging the differences. Facts will always remain facts. It’s just a matter of being respectful.

    • NonyaB?

      I found it much ado about nada. The fact is that a guy who transitions at X point in life to woman does not have the same experience as a someone who was born and remains a woman for the entirety of her life. Acknowledging differences ? denying others’ struggles.

    • cyanic

      The trans community accepts nothing but complete surrender to how they see themselves. If you choose to believe to the contrary you are a threat to them because you inform the conversation outside of them thinking different from them.

  • cheddachasa

    It’s always the folks who claim they’re so “woke” (I hate that word) that scream the loudest about a so-called gay agenda. Deep down they’re afraid they could be turned out.

    • miss t-lee

      Make it plain!

    • Charles Johnson

      Cant assume ppl who are conspiratorial who closeted. That’s like saying ppl racist ppl secretly love POCs. At best they fetishize (see cuckold) and at worst they rape (see slavery). I think it’s more than that.

      • I wouldn’t say love POCs. Lust for and fetishize though? Absolutely! They see POCs as having that certain difference that their hegemonic selves could never have.

    • A.P. Millz-CT

      Turned out?? Just b/c someone doesn’t agree with the gay lifestyle and wants nothing to do with it doesn’t mean they are afraid to be turned out.. smdh

      • We have a winner at comment 105. HouseofBonnets, please collect your winnings.

        • PriceIsRightHorns

          LMAO

        • miss t-lee

          As soon as I saw lifestyle, I was …and we’re off!

          • Charles Johnson

            Lmbao.

        • Other_guy13

          Lol

      • cheddachasa

        Many of the people I am referring to do not believe that people are born homosexual. They believe people are encouraged and influenced to be gay by popular media. Therefore it is not a stretch for me to believe that these same people feel they could be susceptible to that influence as well, aka turned out.

        • Melvin_AKA_Disqus_9YNSYd9

          People aren’t born h0mosexu@l.

          • Kas loves Jamaican Breakfast

            You really should get out more. Have a conversation or three.

            • NonyaB?

              You’d think this post was titled “Homophobes Unite!”.

            • FeeFee

              It’s more like read a science book or three.

          • NonyaB?

            If people aren’t born gay, then people aren’t born straight either. If the latter sounds ridiculous, then you can see how ludicrous the former is.

            • Melvin_AKA_Disqus_9YNSYd9

              Male & female genetalia dictates that we were born straight. If h0mosexuality was really biological, then two men would be able to reproduce, so would two women.

              End of story

              • NonyaB?

                So many holes in this non-logic. Male and female genitalia are just that; they don’t dictate anything. That majority of most populations are straight and occurrence of homoséxuality are statistical, not biological facts. Homoséxuality has been observed by scientists in several species (incl. man and animal) it has also been observed across time and place from several millenia ago in different places including pre-colonial countries in Africa (so it isn’t a white/western import).

                • Melvin_AKA_Disqus_9YNSYd9

                  Ma’am… The occurance of h0mosexu@lity means nothing in relation to the biological make up of human beings. One of the most basic character traits of the human is the ability to reproduce. So once again, if humans were born h0mosexu@l, then two men would be able to make a baby & so would two women. This notion also effectively explains why there is no “gay gene”. There is only XX & XY, male & female.

                  • FeeFee

                    Actually, there is more evidence that there may indeed be a gay gene, not a gay chromosome as your pointing out with the XX & XY male & female. There are several studies being done in epigenetics that’s pointing to where the spectrum on sexuality lays. But those are still in its early stages.

                    And I get your point about the fact that biologically we function as male & female being able to reproduce, but your position takes on the notion that everything in nature is simply black & white, but you’d be wrong. Science has shown us this many times before, and it’ll only be a matter of time before it shows us that human sexuality too is not as black & white as we’d like it to be.

                    • Melvin_AKA_Disqus_9YNSYd9

                      Those very same scientists also swore up & down that humans evolved from apes, but yet that very same ape DNA isn’t producing any more humans. My guess is they never did… You can believe whatever you want tho. In general, the best answer is the most obvious one, not the one that is conjured up for various reasons.

                    • FeeFee

                      “Those very same scientists also swore up & down that humans evolved from apes, but yet that very same ape DNA isn’t producing any more humans.”–WOW! You have no idea what evolution is do you!? You think the apes we evolved from are the exact same apes of today!? WOW!

                      Well this explains it all. This is far beyond your scope. Carry on.

                    • Melvin_AKA_Disqus_9YNSYd9

                      “You think the apes we evolved from are the exact same apes of today!?”

                      What?! LOL

                      You obviously don’t understand science & genetics. It doesn’t matter if the apes from today are EXACTLY the same. The genetical characteristics of a certain species NEVER changes! That’s why humans are humans & apes are apes! It is scientifically impossible animals to evolve anything. That would negate the concept of reproduction! You have to know this already. Lol

                      I think you’ve had enough bruh. Log off! smh lol

                      Haha… I’m seriously laughing @ you right now. Lol…

                    • FeeFee

                      “It doesn’t matter if the apes from today are EXACTLY the same.”–WOW!

                      “The genetical characteristics of a certain species NEVER changes! “–WOW!

                      “It is scientifically impossible animals to evolve anything. That would negate the concept of reproduction! You have to know this already. Lol”–WOW!

                      This is far beyond your scope of understanding, which is actually a shame. Your position “This notion also effectively explains why there is no “gay gene”. There is only XX & XY, male & female.” makes even more sense now.

                      “Haha… I’m seriously laughing @ you right now. Lol…”–I hope you are, wish I could say I was doing the same. WOW!

                  • Gibbous

                    And XXY AND YYX AND that your chromosomes don’t always match your chex OR your gender. That’s why it’s called a “spectrum”

                    • Melvin_AKA_Disqus_9YNSYd9

                      Who told you that goofy? When did these MF’s start to rewrite the script? Lol. There is XX & XY… idiot.

                    • Gibbous

                      Come back after you take an introductory level biology class, or even just read a book on genetics.

                    • Melvin_AKA_Disqus_9YNSYd9

                      I did that in high school clown.

                    • Peezy

                      but…did you go to college?

                    • Melvin_AKA_Disqus_9YNSYd9

                      Whatchu think?

                    • Peezy

                      nah.

                    • Melvin_AKA_Disqus_9YNSYd9
                    • Melvin_AKA_Disqus_9YNSYd9

                      When is the last time you physically saw a “spectrum” of human beings walking around? NEVER! There is only male & female. Stop believing BS a.k.a. alternative facts.

                    • Gibbous

                      There IS a spectrum, just because you don’t believe it or see it doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. Science doesn’t care whether or not you believe.

                      Klinefelter syndrome males inherit one or more extra X chromosomes–their genotype is XXY or more rarely XXXY or XY/XXY mosaic. In severe cases, they have relatively high-pitched voices, asexual to feminine body contours as well as breast enlargement, and comparatively little facial and body hai

                      XYY syndrome is a genetic condition in which a human male has an extra male (Y) chromosome, giving a total of 47 chromosomes instead of the more usual 46. This produces a 47,XYY karyotype, which occurs every 1 in 1,000 male births.

                      Some medical geneticists question whether the term “syndrome” is appropriate for this condition because its clinical phenotype is normal and the vast majority of XYY males do not know their karyotyp.

                  • NonyaB?

                    I’ve already indicated genitalia doesn’t dictate séxuality. People are born with certain personality traits which are not necessarily based on a gene, some are gay and it has nothing to do with what genitalia or necessarily what genes they’re born with. Ability to reproduce is not a character trait. Good day.

                    • Melvin_AKA_Disqus_9YNSYd9

                      GTFOHWTBS

                      For the last time, personality traits/behaviors have nothing to do with human biological make up. All personality traits are learned, not inherent through genes. Smh FOH

                    • NonyaB?

                      For the last time, this convo is over, least of all because you clearly aren’t reading/comprehending my comments properly. Otherwise, you realize that I clearly and repeatedly make the distinction between genes, séxuality, behaviour and how one doesn’t dictate each other. And no, séxuality isn’t a choice/learned. Done conversing with your hostile anti-logic, enjoy the block.

                    • Melvin_AKA_Disqus_9YNSYd9

                      I am comprehending your illogical comments, but I recognize that you’re merely speaking opinion, not facts. You’re in denial, probably for obvious reasons.

                      Have a good evening.

                  • M’kali-Hashiki

                    Actually no there is not only XX & XY. There are at least 6 various combinations of the X & Y chromosome. Science has been clear on at least 5 for *decades*. You wanna talk “Agenda”? Whose agenda is it that this undisputed scientific fact isn’t known?

                    • Melvin_AKA_Disqus_9YNSYd9

                      Isn’t known? I guess the same scientists who deemed homosexuality as a mental disorder during the 1970’s withheld your information as classified also, right? Smh

                      That 6 chromosome thing is really funny to me. For *decades*, most of every health/biology textbook, has always had 2 chromosome combinations referenced, XX & XY. I’ll let y’all tell it though – – whatever sounds credible.

              • Gibbous

                Almost every species of mammal on the planet has same chex, chexual interactions. Also birds. Remember our penguin brothers hatching their egg together?

                Don’t go where you don’t know!

                • Melvin_AKA_Disqus_9YNSYd9

                  LOG OFF!!! lmaooo

    • cyanic

      If turning someone was a real thing I would use my powers on n………….

  • Glo

    I have often found that the people who are most vehemently opposed to LGBTQ+ rights are struggling with some aspect of their own chexuality. It’s hard when you’ve been taught that this stuff is black and white when it’s really a huge grey area.

    I think that if we begin to teach our children that you can be attracted to a wide spectrum of people (and that it’s totally okay), fewer of them will grow into adults who preach bigotry to make up for their own self hate.

    • Charles Johnson

      Even bisexual people are given the side eye in the LG community.

      • Val

        They get a side eye in the str8 community too, unfortunately.

        • Charles Johnson

          Without question

        • truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

          That’s very true.

      • cyanic

        Pick a side. Don’t straddle the fence.

        • Mariko

          Ok, I know I’m not gonna change anyone’s mind, but there aren’t “sides.” The distinction between genders isn’t neatly divided, intersex and trans folks exist and it’s not like hoarding portions at dinner, I’m not being greedy. I’ve known I was bi since I found out it was a thing at age twelve, so nearly eighteen years. Why should I choose a side other than to make someone else comfortable?

        • Blueberry01

          But if there is now six different “fences”, why can’t they be free to choose who they want to be?

          • cyanic

            They are making up new stuff everyday to say acknowledge me too. Don’t erase me from the overall narrative of the mainstream. Nor do you dare suggest I’m abnormal because I refuse to conform to your standard of normality.

            • Blueberry01

              I’m not sure how your comment relates to mine.

              My point was why does someone who chooses to be bi have to pick being either gay or hetero? If you have the freedom to say that you’re gay, then why can’t they have the freedom to say they are bi – or any of the other letters?

            • Blueberry01

              “They are making up new stuff everyday to say acknowledge me too.”

              This sounds like you’re looking down on other queer people. Everyone wants to be acknowledged and loved for who they are.

              How would you feel if someone said that you identify as gay because being able to claim some sort of an identity boosts your self-esteem?

      • Blueberry01

        Why, though? Why can’t they be “free” just like anyone else?

        • Charles Johnson

          I absolutely have no idea and am not well versed in discussing the matter. Two pieces argued that they’re bein selfish batting for both teams, tellin folks to pick a side

          • Blueberry01

            Me neither.

            Yeah, I peeped that, too. From what I’ve seen, some gay people don’t respect bi people because they feel like being gay MUST equate to hating the opposite chex.

            Obviously this defeats the whole notion of allowing everyone to freely self-identify, but marginalization has always been equal opportunity.

            • Charles Johnson

              I thought it was because being openly gay is marganilizing, and being bi suggests that you can freely move in between worlds… well, as long as you keeep them separate but equal. You can’t be both a Yankees and a Red Sox fan, I guess.

              • Blueberry01

                Interesting perspective.

                So you’re saying that gay people are jealous of bi people’s ability to freely “move” through life?

                The bottom line is that both the Yankees and Red Sox play the same sport, and while they promote it (to non-baseball fans), they should be able to put down their differences – well, at least during the All-Star game.

    • Brooklyn_Bruin

      ” I have often found that the people who are most vehemently opposed to LGBTQ+ rights are struggling with some aspect of their own chexuality.”

      This is a very effective smear campaign against them.

      • Blueberry01

        Or, an observation based on her personal experience…

    • Blueberry01

      “I have often found that the people who are most vehemently opposed to LGBTQ+ rights are struggling with some aspect of their own chexuality.”

      Yup.

  • Mary Burrell

    I had a conversation again with my Nigerian co worker and we discussed Moonlight and was trying to make him see that he was missing the point about it being “A gay movie ” to explain it was so much more than that. Then I had the same conversation with my downstairs neighbor who missed the point as well. I see that homophobia is real in the black community and just like mental health issues these things are seen as shameful. Many brothers and sisters have got to do better. Because when it gets down to brass tacks and the oppressor comes for us we need each other to be a cohesive group.

    • Kas loves Jamaican Breakfast

      Homophobia is real in all communities unfortunately

      • Mary Burrell

        Yes that’s very true among a host of other things that plague the spirit.

    • Brooklyn_Bruin

      There are a ton of provincial and socially conservative black folks that swear they woulda been marching in Selma.

      Actively ignorant.

      • Mary Burrell

        I know it blows my mind.

      • truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

        Back in the day, many far right black people opposed Dr. King and his agenda.

        • Brooklyn_Bruin

          Right!??!!

          • truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

            One example was that many right preachers disapproved of Dr. King’s civil disobedience. Also, even the leadership of the NAACP for a time opposed Dr. King’s opposition of the Vietnam War. King wanted a merger of the civil rights and peace movement, which was opposed by many conservative/moderate civil rights leaders.

            • Mary Burrell

              One MLK’s right hand men in the Civil Rights movement was of the LGB community.

        • Beauty In Truth

          Only cause he was too nice.

          • truthseeker2436577@yahoo.com

            One thing that showed the niceness about Dr. King was even when some black people criticized him and called him out of his name, he never came out in public to curse them out. He stayed on code when dealing with some black people criticizing him. He knew that the ultimate enemy wanted evil to spread. Of course, he was a man and he did had an argument with Whitney Young behind the scenes about the Vietnam War (in Long Island. It was a real spirited argument). Afterwards, Whitney Young woke up about the Vietnam War and criticized it before he passed away. Dr. King showed a lot of courage to fight against that war and promote the Poor Peoples Campaign.

            • 1Whitewater1

              Dr. ‘KANG’ had principles that he would not compromise for a pat on the back or a few dollars crumbs from the trump-cheney vietnam hatred table.

    • Diego Duarte

      Too many people buy into that 15th century isht, back when homosexuality was considered a mental disease (and actually that remained so until the past century).

      I guess you could understand that ridiculous and overblown worry about a “gay agenda” if it somehow was a virus you could catch:

      “Hello? Boss? Sorry, I can’t make it today. I awoke too gay this morning and I’m feeling pretty fabulous about it”.

      Ignorance is the worst disease.

      • Mary Burrell

        Fear and ignorance are thriving, reminds me of the Salem witch persecutions.

    • Furious Styles

      Yeah. It looks like Lee Daniels failed to accomplish his mission of “blowing the lid off homophobia in the Black community”. Never mind that Black folks ain’t out’chea passing bathroom laws.

      • Mary Burrell

        The struggle continues for many marginalized groups.

  • A.P. Millz-CT

    I don’t believe in Homophobia.. But, I do believe the black male image is in jeopardy. Also, what tf does the LGBT do for the black community and black gay men and women?? I haven’t heard a peep out of the LGBT community about the Black Trans women that were recently murdered, have you guys??

    • That is a real point. Racism in the LGBT community is a thing.

      • Jennifer

        *yawn* Just like sexism in the black community, and racism in the feminist community. The list goes on and on. I don’t think anyone is saying these movements are perfect, but I refuse to completely dismiss it for this reason.

      • NonyaB?

        It is a non-point. Racism exists in any community that has White and POC folks and where the former wield significant socio-economic and political power. Which in N. America would be practically any community.

    • miss t-lee

      I’ve heard a few things about the recent murders.

      • A.P. Millz-CT

        On the news, I’m guessing.. But, not a damn peep from the LGBT mafia! They are for LGBT whites not blacks.

        • miss t-lee

          It wasn’t on the news, it was through social media. But as with most things I wouldn’t see white folks getting involved until it effects them.

    • miss t-lee

      Black male image? Where? How?

      • A.P. Millz-CT

        Black males are being depicted as gay! Case in point Moonlight!

        • PhlyyPhree

          There were no straight black men in that movie?
          Oh. Ok

          • Jennifer

            Didn’t a straight, black man direct it? Or, maybe that’s my imagination…

            • PhlyyPhree

              Doesn’t matter. He was probably one of those down-low brothas promoting The Agenda.

            • Sweet Potato Kai ?

              One was straight, one was gay. I can’t remember the names.

              • Jennifer

                I was being facetious. Barry Jenkins is straight; Terrell McCready is gay.

                • Sweet Potato Kai ?

                  Yes, yes, of course!

        • NonyaB?

          Black males are playing gay characters because in real life Black males exist, therefore should be expected to feature in films where humans are cast. And last I heard, many LGBT members of colour are elated, not annoyed that they are slowly being represented on screen more.

        • miss t-lee

          Newsflash:There are gay Black men in the world. There are straight Black men in the world.
          There is no one correct “image”.

        • Roz

          But there ARE black men who are gay – there are many “images” of a black man. I don’t understand your point.

        • Other_guy13

          I’m confused as to why Black men can only have one image. To be a black man means you have many images. You have a image you carry outside in public and one at home. You have one for the black community and one for the white community. For some there’s a community of affluence and other’s one of struggle. To be a black man is to be diverse. Men of other cultures are represented in every way….bout time they represent ALL of us. I’m not gay but I don’t think that my gay brothers shouldn’t have a voice because the are different from me. In real life there are many black men who don’t “look” gay but are very much so. Do they not get a voice? Sorry….I said I was staying away but this annoyed me.

          • Sweet Potato Kai ?

            OG with this afternoon word!

            • Other_guy13

              I’m going back into the darkness

              • Roz

                Not just yet – as silly as it sounds, sometimes if a straight black man says “I don’t have a problem with another black man that is gay”, maybe the people yelling about the “black man image” chill out more.

                • Other_guy13

                  I’m just saying….it’s not that serious what another man do in his bed. Long as he not touching me or my lady I couldn’t care less.

            • HouseOfBonnets

              I’m so proud lol

              • Other_guy13

                Lord….what I do now?

                • HouseOfBonnets

                  You did a good job in your response…..nothing wrong :)

                  • Other_guy13

                    Oh okay lol

          • miss t-lee

            Someone who didn’t wanna get involved coming thru with the knowledge

            • Other_guy13

              I’m not involved…this was a drive by

              • miss t-lee

                Yeah, ok.

            • Kas loves Jamaican Breakfast

              Every post he says he isn’t going to get involved. Three Puff Daddy minutes later he all up and down the thread.

              • NonyaB?

                LOL @ ” Three Puff Daddy minutes later” – take that, take that, take that!

              • miss t-lee

                Zackly.

          • These hoteps are no different than some of these white folks. The want to see black men and people within the light that they wish and nothing else.

        • BlackMamba

          Gay black men are real and are men. What’s the problem?

          • A.P. Millz-CT

            Gay black men are men, but they are gay! They aren’t fathers, well, some… a slip up more or less. I’m speaking in regards of the black male that are the foundation of the home! Between a man and woman to whom has children.

            I’m not homophobic. I just don’t like to see certain images of black men.. *should shrug*

            • Other_guy13

              “They aren’t fathers, well, some… a slip up more or less. ” https://68.media.tumblr.com/725f8b6ca4750f95cc910e1b535a32ab/tumblr_inline_noqbifsWJQ1rv74l4_500.gif

            • Roz

              “I speaking in regards of the black male that the foundation of the home! Between a man and woman to whom has children.”
              Don’t start this – for a long time, the black male image you’re trying to say is in jeopardy was that of being a deadbeat father. Gay men ain’t have ish to do with that.

              • Other_guy13

                Welp

              • Word. The only gay deadbeat that was shouted out was the one in the lines of Naughty by Nature’s “Everything’s Gonna Be Alright”. The rest of them…welp!

            • miss t-lee

              Gay Black men aren’t fathers?

              *white man blinking gif*

            • Jennifer

              Somebody please come get your man!

              • miss t-lee

                I imagined you saying this like Tommy Davidson’s short order cook character on In Living Color.

                • Jennifer

                  I’m cool with that!

                  • miss t-lee

                    Hejejeh

            • Val

              Saying you aren’t homophobic doesn’t make it true.

            • What? OK…

            • cyanic

              Did you not watch Fences? About a dominating black patriarch who consumes his immediate family.

        • Because they’re never actually gay?

        • Are some black males not gay? Angry? Straight? Happy? Successful? Educated? Evil?

          There’s a myriad of images that fall under the black male umbrella.*

          *Wait are umbrella’s gay?

        • cyanic

          There are black gay men in the world. I’m one of them.

    • Val

      “what tf does the LGBT do for the black community and black gay men and women??”

      White LGBT folks don’t own the community.

      “..haven’t heard a peep out of the LGBT community about the Black Trans women that were recently murdered, have you guys??”

      Yes, I am hearing and have heard a lot about those murders, specifically the ones in New Orleans recently

      • Jennifer

        It’s been passing my TL from black and white, cis and LGBT folks, but that’s probably an indication of my social media community.

      • miss t-lee

        I’ve heard a lot about the ones in NOLA. ?

      • HouseOfBonnets

        Same for the ones here in chicago.

    • Other_guy13

      “But, I do believe the black male image is in jeopardy” How sway? Seriously, we had a Black President of the United States. I think the black male image will be fine. And being a black male come in many different forms. There’s nothing wrong with having more than one lane. The black male image you speak of is part of the reason Black Lives don’t matter to many yt’s….think about that.

      • Word. We aren’t just broke dudes in the projects and Steve Harvey lookalikes. There are gay Black hustlers. There are artsy Black guys who run up in White chicks. There are Black businessmen and preachers and teachers and athletes and scientists and straight and gay and all sorts of permutations. Why limit us to One Ideal Image?

        • Other_guy13

          That one image of us is what leads to many of us being killed. Because we are ALL super strong and aggressive. We are ALL in the inner cities. We are ALL dangerous….nah homie….black masculinity is evolving as with everything in this world. It’s okay to know who you are….but you can’t tell someone else how to be either.

        • BlackMamba

          Framing this comment.

        • Sweet Potato Kai ?

          Yup!

        • Charles Johnson

          And bus drivers and mail men! Oooops definitely not the point, but for completeness sake

    • BlackMamba

      What? It is the black LGBT that fights harder than any group for trans rights.

    • What part of the “image” is in jeopardy? The one that paints black men as a monolith without nuance and individuality?

      We should’ve gotten rid of that a long time ago.

      • BlackMamba

        Nah we have to be the f*ck all the women, “alphas”, that white supremacists say we are.

        • That’s right! Black men have to have the exact same lust that White men have. The better to control us, you see. ;-)

      • A.P. Millz-CT

        I’m being attached…lol This is merely my opinion. The black male image is being tainted with this whole H*m* thing.. I don’t like it.

        • YouNITeeWhy

          you’re being attached… to what? if you mean attacked, it’s for good reason. although no one in the comments is attacking you. they are telling you the truth. you need a hug. and you need to realize that black people, men and women are not one and the same, it’s OK to be different.

        • NonyaB?

          So, you’re basically admitting that you carry a false image of BM and insisting on upholding it an even in light of the facts (the image that media/W Supremacy/pop culture dictates to you is not the full, multi-faceted reality). An any gay BM is subhuman/not a man in your eyes.

          WOW.

          • My question is what happens when that false image disappears. Are we so frail that we have to be exactly alike? Is any one weakness a one-way trip to Jim Crow and Slavery? What’s the deal?

            • NonyaB?

              Depends on audience. Most people would rock the fxck out and embrace their multifaceted selves, maybe even display all sides everywhere, etc. But those who base their esteem/identity on external factors like who bigoted society tells you to be might have a problem. They might just self-combust along with the bigots whose privilege/power relies on foisting flawed narratives on others.

              • Kylroy

                Reminds me of some in the LGBT community who were suddenly questioning the value of marriage just as it became available to them.

        • Well I hope whoever is attaching you goes to spam.

          Again, how is the image being tainted? When gay men are breaking barriers in entertainment, education and science, that is really damaging to the black male psyche I would imagine.

          There is only one way to be a black man, right?

      • All of this. This is the issue I have with Black men on the Black man. This hyper masculinity that doesn’t allow for the spectrum of Black boy joy. There isn’t a right or wrong way to be Black.

        Unless you are Nkechi Amare Diallo bka Rachel Dolezal.

    • HouseOfBonnets

      Where is todd somebody won the bet lol

      • Sweet Potato Kai ?

        LOL he said you won at # 105!

      • You won!

      • Other_guy13

        He said you won

    • Sweet Potato Kai ?
    • cyanic

      The black male image has always been compromised in this country. Hence the murder of black men and boys throughout the history of America.

  • I Came I Saw

    There was a good thread on black queerness on Twitter the other day. I hope to get the video on the archaic black queerness in a format so I can post it to the wall of one hotep I follow on Facebook who is always lamenting the “white invention” of queerness:
    https://twitter.com/Lexual__/status/839552661078831104

    Spoiler alert: dry lips and elbows? yes. black significant other? no.

    • Epsilonicus

      Such a good thread!!!

    • Well said, and not a shock. So much of respectability is about a fear of $exual deviance and preserving social relations by controlling $ex. Once you open up the playing field, there goes the monopoly on the White va-jay-jay, and there goes that order that was being promoted. Hating on queer folk is just a part of the larger game.

    • Rewind4ThatBehind

      Learned a bunch of new things today

  • kingpinenut

    I gots nada to add here….shid…let people be people. period. fullstop.

    • miss t-lee

      Hallelu.

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