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America, The Beautiful Fucking Joke

Philando Castile (Facebook)

 

Moments before I planned on going to bed last night, I checked Instagram to find the source of a few notifications I received earlier that evening. While browsing through my feed, I came across an autoplay video of a man in what seemed to be a blood-caked shirt laying in a car and staring up at its ceiling. I thought it was odd that someone would share this clip, and I spent a few seconds wondering what it was (A deleted scene from a movie? A crime scene reenactment? A satiric hood PSA?) before clicking away. It didn’t even cross my mind that I was watching someone die. Because of course something like this wouldn’t even be on Instagram. Especially not yesterday. Of course it wasn’t real. Of course it had to be some sort of joke.

And then, minutes later, I learned what each of you surely already know by now. That I did just watch someone die. That that someone’s name was Philando Castile. That he was murdered during a routine traffic stop. (A busted tail light.) That he was shot and killed while reaching for his wallet; something the police officer who murdered him asked him to do. That we know of all of this because Castile’s girlfriend (Lavish Reynolds) was also in the car and recorded the entire thing. That Reynolds’s young daughter was in the car too, and can be heard consoling her mother.

The absurdity of writing a piece explaining why I hadn’t yet watched the murder of Alton Sterling only to accidentally watch another and even more graphic murder of another Black man that same day — and not even realize what I was watching while I was watching it — hasn’t been lost on me. It’s never been more obvious that America is a fucking farce. That “America” is actually a Mel Brooks-produced and directed depiction of America called America, where the crimes levied against Black people get increasingly and comically more graphic and more harrowing and more perplexing while we collectively attempt to find new ways to ignore or excuse them. Yesterday it was a man selling DVDs restrained by two police officers and shot by another. Last night it was a man in a car with his girlfriend and his girlfriend’s daughter murdered after doing, again, exactly what the officer asked him to do. What will it be tomorrow? A firing squad gunning a Charlotte grandmother down while she’s leaving Trader Joe’s? A 17-year-old honor student on his way to work rammed and impaled by a police cruiser? A pregnant school principle flayed alive by a group of plain clothed detectives who believed she was hiding weapons and weed in her skin?

It’s your move now, America, you beautiful fucking joke. Tell us how far you can go; show us how fucking funny you can be. We’ll be here all night.

Damon Young

Damon Young is the editor-in-chief of VSB. He is also a columnist for GQ.com And he's working on a book of essays to be published by Ecco (HarperCollins). Damon is busy. He lives in Pittsburgh, and he really likes pancakes. Reach him at damon@verysmartbrothas.com. Or don't. Whatever.

  • cakes_and_pies

    I don’t want kids anymore.

    • Other_guy13

      Ditto

    • Brad G

      Same. Won’t do them the injustice.

    • Ani-Q

      I have the fortune to go back to the Caribbean. My mother has already called me and stated she and my father will be collecting their grandchild once they have been born. A place where they can just be a child. A place to grow up without fear and constant danger.
      My brother was persuaded from not attending Georgia Tech and is planning to go to Britain. He will be safer in the land of our past colonial masters, not in the land of the free.

      This is beyond madness.

      • cakes_and_pies

        You can’t even let Black kids play around anymore. I have friends with young children freaking out and crying over this BS. This is a heartache I don’t want to wait for.

        • Ani-Q

          We have witness two of our babies reacting to the murder of their fathers. A 15 year old weeping and a 4 year old comforting. . I have no idea how to solve this. I want to hide our children.

          • Other_guy13

            Those two broke my heart.

          • L8Comer

            That instinct made me think of the Native Americans. Someone I know who used to work in those communities said a while back they would send their kids into the mountains to hide rather than let them be killed, brainwashed, or assimilated. This resulted in a lot of them in those communities she worked in having little to no education and they sign documents with a finger print

            • Other_guy13

              I actually like that option…there’s a lot of land out west…can we have that?

              • L8Comer

                If the Native Americans can’t have it i seriously doubt we can. but i;m not hiding. I’d rather leave. This was the Native American’s country and they didn’t have many options to leave, but I do. I don’t think i’ll raise kids here. Like Ani, I’ll go back to the Carribean

                • Other_guy13

                  I’m right behind you. I can’t do this

            • Ani-Q

              I understand this. I want to run and hide so far away. But then I know it will serve no purpose; we need to find a way to fight back. I feel like we are at war with an enemy we cant touch.

              • L8Comer

                Things will get worse before they get better. idk that i want to be here for that

          • cakes_and_pies

            I don’t think I could do it.

          • Tambra

            I am still bawling. When that young man broke… it’s too much.

      • Tambra

        I am not sure that is so much the case re: your brother. England is not the same since Brexit and to tell the truth England was the first place I knew what open racism felt like. To briefly describe, my friend and I were awaiting a bus, we were in Essex, so I stood to check the bus schedule. An old white lady was there with her dog and I unwittingly stepped on her dog’s leash. So she said , in a cold voice , ” you’re standing on my dog”. I looked down , saw where I was, stepped back and apologised, that apparently was not enough . Ms Thing proceeded me to order me to get away from her. I was like excusseee me, and my friend, another wonderful West Indian like me, sprung up and exclaimed ” What did she say?”. And as she was about to sit, we sat before her, and spread out legs so she could not get a seat. That was some years ago, at this point it is worse. The xenophobia in England is boiling over.

        Back to the main issue, I cried and cried after looking at the videos, I tried to avoid reading the stories and it is disheartening knowing that nothing will come out of it. The message boards of justification are crazy . In 2016, the cuffles are being put in place once more and being tightened.

        • Kas

          Sorry this is what brought you back to the comment section, but glad to know you are still around.

          • Other_guy13

            Right…

          • Tambra

            Thanks Kas. I have been crying none stop and honestly I am scared. I went home last week to do some research. I took the opportunity to go on a ” know your island tour” and sailed down. One of the stopping point was an island resort, re:not accessible to locals and nationals. You know we were being confined to a small section of the beach. I did not plan on bathing, but went for the tour, but something in me died. This is a part of my country, it is where I was born, but I am limited. It’s terrible that as black people we can’t catch a break. What did we do that was so wrong?

            • Ani-Q

              I keeping asking that. What did we do wrong? What sin did we commit to be treated this way for so long.

              • Kas

                We suffer because the only way white people can live with what they did in the past is to think of us as less in the present.

                • Beauty In Truth

                  We let this happen, we don’t do enough as a people to put a stop to this. Not to mention Obama’s nonchalance in policy on this issue.

                • Whew. That’s some deep truth, man.

            • Kas

              What did we do that was so wrong? Not a fucking thing! Life is clearly not fair. I have accepted that and do my best to enjoy my life while knowing for reasons beyond my control, it can take a left at any minute.

              • Tambra

                It doesn’t seem so. I am fed up of us having to be resilient, I am fed up of us not knowing the rules and even when we know them, knowing the loopholes will come into play.

                • Kas

                  I hear you.

            • Other_guy13

              Not a thing wrong. We were born into hate. I take no responsibility for their hate and neither should you. It’s their problem but we always pay the price. Glad to have you back…we missed the homie. d@mn thing wrong. We were born into hate. I take no responsibility for their hate and neither should you. It’s their problem but we always pay the price. Glad to have you back…we missed the homie.

        • Ani-Q

          I am so sorry Tambra. I had a similar experience when I start studying in America. What a world to live in.

          • Tambra

            It was a shock, because I was accustomed to classism and too a lesser extent colourism. Racism not soo much.

            • Ani-Q

              I tried to explain this to my friend from Oakland. I really didn’t understand what it meant to be Black until I came here. Classism and colourism I can handle but racism is on a another level.

              • Tambra

                You know one of the great things about it being a ‘global village’, we are better able to see how our history and location shapes us, if we are willing. I guess you have to experience to understand.

            • MALynn

              Same here. I keep telling folks that where I’m from, it’s classism and colourism because the country is 95% black. I had a chemistry professor (Cuban) ask me if immigration let me back in the USA after I told him I went back to Haiti for Xmas vacation. When I tell you I had to call my mother and tell her I might be kicked out of school for knocking someone out…

              • Tambra

                Insularity is killing us in the islands, bet you that prof was of a lighter extraction. I am more tempered because I am a student of history and one can not read Thomas Thistlewood’s diary and be shocked by much. But today was a terrible day, looking at those women and children trying to hold it together was too much, too too dang much.

                • MALynn

                  Yeah..homie was a 60 year old eggshell colored Cuban. And Cubans and Haitian refugees are treated waaayyyy differently in regards to asylum. So he was hella racist.

                  • Tambra

                    I can only imagine. I am currently on an island that has a rather large resident white population and man they are something else. I recently did an interview with one, a business owner, and he was like ohh we are a large family here, we treat our workers with respect. Trying so hard.

                • MALynn

                  Girl…I learned about MLK and the civil rights in books. Did not live through the segregation era and cannot even imagine.

                  The downfall of all this insularity is that some of my highschool class mates are sooo deep in respectability politics…I keep trynna school them but alas!

                  • Tambra

                    We’ve fought so long for respectability that is is keeping us back.

        • L8Comer

          Racism is EU and UK is just as bad if not worse. The stuff they print in the media, the political cartoons, open racism against athletes would never be tolerated here, b/c we’re so PC, but where has it gotten us? But at least in the EU they don’t have guns like Americans and they aren’t popping off like us when they do have them, so at least their police aren’t killing people. It’s a trade-off. You may encounter terrible racism, especially in the UK now, but the chances of you being murdered go down quite a bit.

      • Leggy

        Britain is just as racist. The only difference is that the British culture is more for silence while Americans are more willing to wash their dirty laundry in public.
        Honestly, I think Georgia tech will serve your brother better. My sisters did uni in the uk and I came here, I by far had a much better experience than them.

        • Ani-Q

          I know and understand this. My mother and father is gripped with fear that I have never seen before. In their minds they know the UK and have more links to protect and get things done if things goes awry. America is a different ball game to them.

      • Mochasister

        I was born and raised here. I wish I could defend this country but I can’t. I don’t think I would encourage any Blacks to emigrate here.

    • Leggy

      I’m definitely not raising a child in this country. I want them to have this citizenship because the passport is amazing but I’m never going to raise them here. Once I pop all of them out, I’m moving home.

    • My list to support not having them grows daily. I’m super good on having a dog and nothing else.

      • I’m with you. frfr Me & my dog are good.

    • Kas

      There are a thousand and one reasons not to want children, but please don’t let this be one of them.

      • I don’t have any either, but watching what this world is evolving into – why would i want to raise children in a society that:
        a. devalues education (esp in Texas), watered down history books, focused on standardized testing.
        b. hates us with the devil in their eyes, sees no value of our lives
        I am legit scared for my BILs, Godbabies, Nephews & Framily

        • Kas

          The short answer is if you give up, they win. I may lose regardless, but it won’t be because I take me and mine off the board.

  • Trill Mickelson

    No, this is not what America has come to; it’s what America has always been.

    • Ani-Q

      Thank you!

    • Other_guy13

      It never changed…never will. I just want to pack up and go.

      • Mochasister

        Where would you go? Please don’t think I’m being facetious with my question because I’m not. You are much younger than me and so can start off pretty much anywhere with a clean slate. Maybe this is what Black people need to do. Leave.

        • kingpinenut

          Ghana, Cameroon, Ethiopia, Togo, Benin, Samoa, etc

          I told all my seeds to leaves this country and avoid Europe

          • Mochasister

            Do you think those countries would be accepting of an exodus of Black Americans? Again I am not being facetious.

            • kingpinenut

              Ghana yes. The rest not so sure….but the world outside of Europe knows the USA is doing Black americans wrong.

              Keep your material needs low and leave the arrogant usa attitude in the usa and you should be fine.

              • Mochasister

                I’ve always kind of wanted to visit Ghana. It’s kind of funny to think of yourself as a Black American refugee.

                • kingpinenut

                  More like homecoming….have your dna tested and go see your fam

                  • Val

                    Wow, I learned a lot on this thread.

            • Proverbs31WIFE!

              Ethio, NOPE! Look to Eritrea to get your confirmation.

              • kingpinenut

                Those wars were instigated by western powers. The region is highly strategic and instability is a wonderful state when the goal is exploitation.

                • Proverbs31WIFE!

                  I do NOT care who instigated the war or who colonized us. We can think for ourselves! I blame US when we continue to instigate nonsense among ourselves.

                  • kingpinenut

                    No denying our ability to think for ourselves. Historical context is important to understand why we’re doing what we’re doing.

                    • Proverbs31WIFE!

                      Oh please. I’m African and I’m tired of our PHAKK ups. We got motherphakkaz as Presidents since the time of Jonah being swallowed by a fish and we have to look to historical what for context?! Let’s call BULLSHID instead of dressing up! Look at UGanda, why is Yoweri still President? The British? My foot.

                    • kingpinenut

                      Follow the money and you’ll know who’s in power and why

                    • Proverbs31WIFE!

                      K.

                    • AfroCapricornette

                      I tell you! Some things are just our fault and leaders’ greed. See the shenanigans in “Giant of Africa”…although the British get blame for amalgamation. It ain’t working…

            • L8Comer

              Ghana offered black americans the indefinite right to stay in their country. So, I think so. Plus migrating is $$. Those of us who have the resources to pick up and leave will bring wealth with us, whether its actual $ or social and political wealth or useful skills. I think it’s a smart move on Ghana’s part. win-win

              http://www.theafricareport.com/West-Africa/ghana-a-place-for-african-americans-to-resettle.html

          • Minx

            ^^^Ghana is my go-to, I actually fear traveling there because I feel like I’ll arrive and be requesting my family send my things within the week. (My Nigerian friends are unimpressed that I would go there first but whomp)

            I know a couple people who went for like some volunteer ish and then stayed for years.

        • Other_guy13

          I hear the moon is nice this time of year

        • My parents went to South Africa. My Dad now lives there about half the year. I plan to do spend more of my time there in the next couple of years. And in general searching for other places to split time between. In general I feel better as a Black person there…as opposed to when I’m here.

          • Mochasister

            You feel better as a Black in South Africa?!

            • Yes.

              • Mochasister

                Do you just feel safer there what with the issues of the police, the mass shootings, and the gun control debates here in the States?

                • Yeah its sooo funny. South Africa is so notorious for crime problems and the what not. But no one in my family has ever been robbed or burglarized or attacked or….. you name it there.

                  But both my Mom and sister have had accelerated deaths by the hands of the American police. I’ve never had a family member hurt in South Africa. But since the day we’ve arrived in this country…my family has been legally eviscerated.

                  • Janelle Doe

                    In the vein of your comments, I wonder should the rest of the world impose some sort of sanctions on the US for their apartheid in police treatment of people of colour? Maybe that would speed up some change?

                    • Mochasister

                      It would be nice. These fools only understand money. Being decent human beings is too difficult for them.

                    • Talk about IRONY. Sanctions on the US sounds about right to me.

          • i booked a dirt cheap flight to Joburg last week from DC. cannot wait

      • Black folks in other places have itc worse and my ancestors built this mfer… i ain’t leaving.

        • Annalise Keating

          Agree that you have every right to be here because your ancestors did build this country.
          But don’t agree with the generalization that black folks in other places have it worse. This is the myth of America (the so called greatest country in the world) that they have been selling to folks for years.
          There are many black folks in other parts of the world who are living upper and middle class happy existences better than many Americans.

          • When I went to visit family in Spain, they were treated like straight doodoo as was I.. until I played my BA card versus my Cuban Card… it was a complete 180.

            In England and France, blacks are practically invisible…and are accosted regularly..i guess.

            • Cleojonz

              “In England and France, blacks are practically invisible…and are accosted regularly..i guess.”

              Especially now after Brexit. They seem to not get that the vote does not mean they get to kick out legal citizens SMH.

              • I mean frfr. And those white folks are talking about yardies and Africans too not just Pakis, Muslims ,Moroccans.

                • Tambra

                  West Indians did they job and helped to rebuild England after wartime, now they serve no purpose.

                  • Yep….

                  • Negro Libre

                    Europe uses immigrants to fund it’s welfare state. White people ain’t having kids, but yet they’re owed money, that needs to be funded somehow by taxes. So voila bring the immigrants in, let them have as many kids they have, and then hope they are productive enough, that you can use taxes from them to keep your economy going.

                    European citizens of course don’t see it that way, especially on the right, they think it’s a conspiracy to poison their “heritage”, unfortunately, the truth is that the government know, what most of these people do not, those immigrants are what’s preventing multiple generations of entitled white people to live off subsidized programs and they haven’t produced enough children who could fund it on their own.

                    • Tambra

                      The beauty of being the centre. The myopia of Europeans is outstanding. Of course, these persons would not acknowledge that much of their wealth and their nation’s wealth has been deeply rooted in the blood, sweat and lives/deaths of people who are not like them.

                  • Same with the Algerians in France…

              • Jo ‘Mama’ Besser

                They’re so hopped up they’re going after other White people now. Apparently hate crimes against Poles have skyrocketed since the Brexit vote. Who told these yokels they’re so special?

                • Mochasister

                  Damn, so basically it’s just open season on anyone who is not of an Anglo background. And the nerve of Brits of all people to not want immigrants in their country. Didn’t they have a saying that the sun never sets on the British empire? Now that your county is done plundering and colonizing other countries you want your country to yourself. Naw, homies. I don’t think so. These chickens are yours; now let them roost.

                  • Jo ‘Mama’ Besser

                    You summed that up perfectly. I keep hearing, ‘Britain for the British’, or some variation of, and I can only think: ‘Oh, is that how you choose to play this, now? The world was just your whore to use up as you pleased and you want to throw it over because you no longer have use for it?’ You know what, that’s actually very British, indeed. Aurelian says, ‘What’s up, Dacia?’

            • Mochasister

              Would you say that even though you are a Black woman that American passport gave you some American privilege? Maybe not as much privilege as a white American man or woman but still enough to notice a difference. Did they respond to you better when you spoke English versus speaking Spanish?

              • Nobody sees your passport though…My English is very much a Black chick from the States… When I spoke Spanish first, i was treated like an immigrant.. i was ignored and even shaded… BUT when NWT from Detroit showed up with her perfect English and biz card.. they treated me and my immigrant family with the respect that we deserved.

                And i was vocal about the differences.

                • Mochasister

                  So they did treat you better when you spoke English. How ironic. I always thought that if you go abroad and can speak the language, you’ll get treated better. Maybe they assumed English speaking NWT had more money than Spanish speaking NWT. Most of the time when I speak Spanish with people they are pleasantly surprised that an American would take the time to learn their language. But I haven’t spent any significant amount of time abroad. A little bit of time in Mexicali and four days in PR. Sorry to hear about your family’s mistreatment. Damn shame.

                  • Well Spanish-speaking NWT speaks like a Cuban married to a Dominican… it’s like hearing AAVE. The accents are very distinct and absolutely different from Castilian Spanish. I know how to speak proper Castellano Spanish but why should i change who i am? My English is the same way.. I am very well educated but nobody wants to hear that loquacious bullshyt… Yo soy bien cómoda con quien soy. ….si alguien no le gusta, yo le mando pa la pinga. Lol

                    • Mochasister

                      Lol! You love don’t you?! Personally I’m not that crazy about that Spanish accent. Sounds like a damn lisp.

                    • Yaaaas! Manita, no sabías?

                      Mi otra favorita

                      “Me cago en la resinga de su maldita madre!!!”

                      Lmao

                    • Mochasister

                      Ok, I learned Spanish primarily in school and college so I don’t know a lot of curse words in Spanish. But that message got through loud and clear. By the by where are all the Afro Latinos at? I’m out here on the West Coast and I can count on one hand how many I’ve met in the last twenty some odd years I’ve been here. I love hearing different varieties of Spanish.

                    • West Coast…. sorry sis.. we are primarily here on the East Coast.

          • this!

          • FromTokyo

            I have to agree with this. Even though I get annoyed with a lot of things (basically the foreigner experience), including a lot of imported (by white media/people) ignorance regarding black folks, I keep returning to Japan because it’s been easier/better for me in many ways. It can be especially challenging because it seems like there are probably only ten non-military brothers and sisters in Japan, but still, I’m able to make a good life in Japan; I just get tired/bored of it and move somewhere else. But end up right back. I know black folks in various Asian and European countries doing well, and one friend doing very well in the Middle East, so it’s definitely possible.

            • Annalise Keating

              Thank you for stating this. I was starting to feel alone on these VSB e-streets.

          • Lissa

            Say it! I welcome you to Uganda. I think it’s probably what’s in the media. It’s very much about what’s happening in the US and very little about what’s going on elsewhere. Most of the ignorant questions I got while living in Europe were from Americans. I had to stop getting irritated and realise their media isn’t that all encompassing.

            • Annalise Keating

              Yes! I am dying to visit Uganda and to try some matoke. Can you make some suggestions of places to visit besides Kampala?

              The media definitely plays a role. But my experience is that even when you try to educate some folks (especially those who have similar experience with being negatively stereotyped) they just refuse to listen or learn. And it is a shame.

        • Illumina

          I just don’t want people to start making countries in Africa the new utopia for Black Americans, like many did with Europe and with Canada.

          If the discussions I seen between people from various African countries and black american is any indication, there is already tension between these two groups and a huge influx of black americans into any particular country might not be welcome at all.

          • Great point.

            Well in Europe.. black Americans are treated waaaay better than our diasporan counterparts.. I’ve lived ot. I can’t speak for Africa. But Canada is just as fukking racist.

            • Jo ‘Mama’ Besser

              Canadian here: YUP.

              • I lived across the border from Windsor… I already know.

                • Jo ‘Mama’ Besser

                  Ah. We don’t get it as bad as the Native population, but if things like incarceration rates are any indication, we’ll start catching up. You think people hate BLM in America? Pfft, they’re like Miss Universe compared to here.

                  • theresa.

                    Especially after Pride! All the racists came out in full force after that and City TV news getting black people to criticize them also.

                    • Janelle Doe

                      So I read. That was intense.

                    • Jo ‘Mama’ Besser

                      Prior to the parade there was a Facebook group called ‘No BLM at Pride’. Now, I’m not only going even to say LGBT, because this is all about well-off white gay men, so *they* are saying that the BLM presence would make it ‘too political’. They say this with all of the lack of self-awareness in the world.

                    • Janelle Doe

                      SMH. Where are the allies now? Everybody talks about allies. Where are our allies? And where are all the good cops and what are they saying about this?

                    • Jo ‘Mama’ Besser

                      They’re all on the, ‘Why you nigras gotta be so uppity’ tip.

                    • Jo ‘Mama’ Besser

                      Uh-huh, I was just telling people how stupid people were being about it. Let’s be honest, they’re restricting the presence and control of all minorities but Blacks are getting the most aggressive response and you’ve got all of the major news outlets co-signing it. CityTV, CBC, Toronto Star, all of them are going full force with this, ‘Who Do You N*****s Think You Are’ bull because a few people are speaking up against Pride now being nothing more than a dance party for white, middle-class gay guys, anyone else can rot, apparently. Even one of the co-founders is saying that it’s a racist PR reel for the major political parties and cops and it has to stop.

                • Lillie Emily

                  You lived in Detroit….

            • Illumina

              Yep.

              Like I know in France, I might be treated waay better than my African brother and sisters. That is role is reversed, compared to America, and I’m now the better black person. But in the long run, should I be happy about that?

              Not to mention when you move to the another place you need to be on the up and up on their culture and customs because essentially you are guest in their country, and should act as such.

              If people have the funds and the motivation to leave in pursuit of a better life for themselves and their family, then do so. And I mean that sincerely.

              But my black azz is staying right here.

              • Yaaaaaas.

              • Mochasister

                Why are African Americans treated better than our African counterparts?

                • Lillie Emily

                  This! I always find it funny when African Americans believe things are better in Europe. Ask any African living in Paris or London and they will tell you how really effed up it is! Europeans will be the first one to say “Go Back to Africa”

                  • I, specifically, said black AMERICANS get treated better. Everybody else gets treated like dookie.

                • Jo ‘Mama’ Besser

                  I think a lot of it has to due with the aftermath of colonization. There’s still a lot of condescension in regards to the way that the French views former colonial holdings and now there’s a, ‘They’re entitled, they’re taking our jobs, they’re mooching off of the system’ sentiment. There’s still a lot of resentment over when France was trying to re-colonize parts of Africa.

                • I think it’s due to colonialism. At least that was my take on it. I also see the French as xenophobes. They only really like themselves.

                • Nik White

                  Folks think that if you’re vacationing, you must be rich and rich=important/different.

                  • Mochasister

                    Makes sense.

              • Nicole

                My Uncle got fed up and left and moved to the DR. I went to visit him in the DR and they are racist as H E L L …….a bunch of black folks who speak spanish who think the mother land is Spain.

                • Mochasister

                  I think they would be in for a rude awakening were they to go to Spain…

                  • Nicole

                    They get a rude awakening when Europeans and Americans visit the DR for vacation.

                    • Girl, then you see them with those old ayus Euros who they’ve had kids with… OMG i understand but i can’t

            • Mochasister

              Really? I always thought them to be better than their uncouth American cousins.

              • Naaaaawl. Google racism in Canada.

                • Mochasister

                  Will do. Sadly there is no place where human beings know how to treat each other with common decency and respect.

              • Jo ‘Mama’ Besser

                Noooooooope.

              • Gods no. And don’t look up their treatment of First Nations people. Ugh.

                • Jo ‘Mama’ Besser

                  As hated as Black people are in Canada, life is a crystal stair for us when compared to what First Nations people endure and if you saw the response to the opening of an Afrocentric school in Toronto you’d see that that says a lot.

            • theresa.

              Canada is racist. Alberta was practically the birthplace for eugenics. People here are so complacent to it because it’s not in the media as much as it is in the US so they pretend as though it doesn’t happen. The Canadian media is so concerned with painting this picture of Canada as a polite and multicultural country, so cases of racism get swept under rug and dismissed even though it happens all the time.

            • Hammster

              We are treated better in Europe? Also, I assumed race relations in Canada were somehow a bit better than here in the US. Good to know

              • Mochasister

                Yeah, I thought Canada was better too. Oh well, another bubble busted.

              • Black Americans especially men…HEII YES.

                • Mochasister

                  I’ll just bet they do.

              • Lissa

                Whhoooo nope we are not! Lived in Belgium for 5 years and all I can say is the only difference is the Belgians generally mind their own business. They’re deeply racist though!

            • Nik White

              I’ll leave on my own accord!

          • Proverbs31WIFE!

            I HATE that tension between the two groups! I HATE it.

          • Mochasister

            You said what I was thinking. I know a lot of us are scared. It’s very tempting to leave. But to where? Any place with human beings is going to have problems. As you pointed out there are tensions between Black Americans and people from different African countries. My mother has often commented on how her African coworkers seem to distance themselves from the African American coworkers. African Americans have been known to be rude and dismissive of Africans. Besides how would we handle the cultural differences? To which country do we emigrate? All I know is that my ancestors more than likely came from West Africa but I don’t know which country (I’ve always been kind of partial to Nigeria and Ghana.). Also, these countries already have their own share of issues. I imagine that just like many Americans don’t want immigrants here those countries probably don’t want immigrants bringing their issues.

            • Nigeria is a mess.

              • Young Olu

                Nigeria is not that bad. I grew up in Lagos back in the day and things are much better. People are living comfortable there as long you can get a nice job working for a global company that is well setup (i.e PWC, Google, Microsoft, etc.. or any of the stable banks). Healthcare, security, and electricity are the main concerns and it is improving each day. My goal within the next 5 years is to split my time between there and here as I will be retiring there.

                • AfroCapricornette

                  Lagos is flipping overcrowded with amenities not reaching everyone. My mom moved to Abj from Lag 10 years ago and prefers it there cos everyone and their wife wants “bubbling” lagos. Nopes, not us. We need to develop other major cities too, but that’s another story.

                • Back in the day…. waaaay. I’m Yoruba by way of Cuba… It’s like LA with the smog and 80 times more crowded than New York.. I’m good. Lol

                  • AfroCapricornette

                    Negra. My mom is Efik from Calabar in Nigeria. Over 10yrs ago, Abakua from Cuba visited Calabar with their Ekpe masquerade and both sides displayed their culture and all. The similarities were so stunning, the elders were speechless lol. Only diff were the Spanish incantations mixed with Yoruba words compare to traditional Efik incantations and the different leaves and other adornments used on Ekpe. I wasn’t there but saw pics and watched videos relatives took. Everyone was stunned and it was sobering. So, you might be part Efik too lol.

                    • Yaaaaas, sis! I remember seeing that video… the other crazy thing was that their faces were virtually the same.

                      Ironically, Ghanaians of Akan descent will ask me if I’m Akan.. my dad’s fam is.

              • Lillie Emily

                There are 53 other countries on the continent of Africa, pick another one sis….

              • Let’s be respectful…

              • Negro Libre

                lol

                • Well it is… it’s waaaaaay too much and all the damn Chinese.. nawl.

                  • Negro Libre

                    Nigeria’s geographically smaller than the state of Texas, and yet more than half of the entire U.S. population. The Chinese population is minuscule at best.

                    That being said, this is why I’ve never been supportive of a go-back-to-africa movement. The last one didn’t end well. Plus, people who grow up in America, have no idea the culture shock that is waiting them when they have to deal with the politics in African countries. Understanding how things actually work in most African countries isn’t going to be gotten from the typical news stories.

                    • The Chinese pop is small but they are laying heavy financial hands on Nigerians. That can’t be denied.

                    • Negro Libre

                      Eh, it’s more complicated than that. It’s also a mistake to think or assume that the Nigerian politicians who sign these trade deals are some how getting bullied by the Chinese. I grew up in the 90’s in Nigeria seeing white representatives from fortune 500 companies coming out of boardroom meetings with tears after negotiating with Nigerian ministers and political representatives.

                      It’s also kind of a mistake to think that Nigerian politicians are out here looking for the best interests of their citizens.

                    • I don’t think folks are getting bullied so much as being sold out.. both are a problem.. Nigeria today isn’t the Nigeria of the 90s…

                      Cuba isn’t either.

                    • Negro Libre

                      Actually, it very much is. The fact is the leaders in African countries are selling out to China, instead of the U.K. and U.S. And to be honest, the economic return has actually been better with China than it was with the U.S. and the U.K. which is funny, because in the 90’s in Nigeria, if you rocked anything made in China, Japan or Taiwan, you were viewed as cheap and unsophisticated.

                      In the 90’s, it wasn’t irregular for a Nigerian minister to sign a contract with a U.S. multinational company for a $100 million for instance, but demand 20% of it in untraceable cash as a bribe. One of the reasons why financing in Nigeria stinks, is that most of the money gotten from bribes don’t stay in the country, because of inconsistent inflation rates, a lot of it used to end up in Switzerland, so that if tides ever turned, government officials couldn’t get access to the money.

                      That stuff still goes on. It’s just that the Chinese deliver better in their industrial production and generally do the work for less, plus they are perfectly fine with bribing and corruption, much more than European countries are because of their press. So yeah, Nigeria’s a mess, but it’s definitely not the Chinese who are responsible for it lol.

                    • Blueberry01

                      Say that last line, again, sir.

                    • AfroCapricornette

                      Ha! Bullied, indeed! Heck, the ask for their cut upfront. Best interests…what’s that??? Let’s not forget Halliburton wahala going on now with our politicians. That’s all I’ll say about that. I no dey!

                    • That last sentence. And let’s add understanding tribal differences…

                • Mordechai E. Schwab

                  All lives matter.

              • Blueberry01

                A hot a s s mess.

            • Nicole

              Some black people already left this country. A lot of people I know who are or were in military talk about how they are treated better overseas than in the U.S. all the time and they move to different parts of Europe, the Caribbean and other places. H e l l, isn’t President Obama’s brother living in Asia?

            • Annie

              it’s really good here in Sydney Australia for Black Americans, (sadly, there is still racism here, just not against Black Americans) my hubby is from Florida, we’ve been living back here for over 20 yrs, no racist incidents ever. We have 3 gorgeous kids, 2 are teenagers, and they’ve never experienced racism.
              It’s kinda hard to immigrate here though,….but with the way things are going in the US, I think African Americans should be eligible to apply for political refugee status!
              Our gun laws are a big part of why our Police/Public relations are so much better, cops aren’t so jumpy, so they don’t react like they do in the US, they’re also trained much more extensively, so much more measured in their responses, we feel safe under their watch,..felt the complete opposite when we lived stateside

          • FromTokyo

            I very much doubt it would be welcome. Even among African countries, relations can be problematic to something else entirely, so throwing yet another culture into the mix would generate even more tensions.

        • lkeke35

          Yeah, my ancestors, fought, bled, and died here. I ain’t goin’ nowhere. I got family here too. I won’t abandon them for grass that may, or may not, be greener somewhere else.

        • shadyfred

          I’ve been living for the last 5 years in Taiwan and people really treat me great here. Every incident just delay when i might move “home”.

    • TJ

      Amen. The only thing that has changed is the technology and social media platforms.

      • kingpinenut

        At least folks cannot claim the news didn’t reach them like Juneteenth.

        They can only say they care or do not care.

        • Marin Duke

          <<o. ?????:?????:?????:?????:?????:?????:?????:?????:?????:?????:::::::!bq65p:….,….

      • Janelle Doe

        Yep. Thanks to video on phones

      • Melissa

        That’s what makes me nauseous – that, before smartphone cameras, who even knows how many more murders like this there were? Terrifying.

        • Janelle Doe

          Agreed, someone asked me why she didn’t call 911 instead of recording and I told them about what happens when we call 911 by providing examples of the instances in which that also got Black men killed. Why was she put in the back of a police car with her daughter? Why couldn’t the cop call for an ambulance instead of holding a gun to an already bleeding man? Why doesn’t the NRA come talk about this guys legal permit to carry? Why is it always double standards/jeopardy … Why… Oh it is just exhausting and painful and exhausting

          • Melissa

            I couldn’t agree more – like 911 dispatch is going to rush someone right out. As usual, the clods at the NRA are all *tumbleweeds* and will stick to their bull no matter what happens. Just because everyone wasn’t in the same place getting shot by the same person doesn’t make it any less horrible than any other mass shooting. It is exhausting, totally.

          • Nik White

            911 operators send police! Unless should could summons the DOJ she did the right thing.

            • Suzan Ambriz

              <<o. ?????:?????:?????:?????:?????:?????:?????:?????:?????:?????:::::::!bq730p:….,.a

        • FromTokyo

          I always think about that. Also, who knows how many missing persons cases are actually their work?

    • Ex-fuckin-actly.

    • peepsqueek

      Most Americans today are of mixed race, mixed cultural heritage, and mixed religious philosophies, as am I, as is our President, who is the first President in over 50 years to win the popular American vote by over 51% twice.

      It is not what America has always been. The best revenge of slavery and Jim Crow is that the President of the United States is the son of an East African tribesman, and that we have lots of black Congressman, Judges, Mayors, Officers in the military, doctors, lawyers, businessmen, award winning- educators, writers, journalists, athletes, movie stars, stage, musicians, who are all recognized around the world. The highest standard of living for black people than any other Country. Does that undo all the injustices of history? NO? Nothing can do that.

      The current big problem, without mentioning color, race, national origin, or religion, I ask you to go into the police websites of any major city in this Country and look at the pictures of the local career criminals, repeat offenders, mug shots, crime videos, etc. and you can see why and who is going to be profiled most often in your community.

      I hope these killings are fully exposed and that misdirected anger does not take any more lives, or cause more violence in the communities that already suffer.

    • Blueberry01

      From slavery to Jim Crow to Civil Rights to BLM.

      Same s h i t, different decade…

      Damn, this.just.hurts.

    • Momofuku O’Murphy

      100%

      I always say this. I hate when people pretend like racism is “coming back”. NEWSFLASH this country is built on and by racism.

  • PriceIsRightHorns

    I was driving into to work this morning and suddenly started crying so hard that I almost had to pull over. Walked into the office with red puffy eyes. Don’t walk in here and ask me anything about anything today. Just leave me alone.

    • Brad G

      I keep walking to the bathroom and blowing my nose because I just can’t today.

      • PriceIsRightHorns

        It’s so heavy. They continuously break our hearts.

  • Sigma_Since 93

    This is reminiscent of the shooting in South Carolina where the cop shot the man who was attempting to comply with the officer’s request for ID. Levar Jones lived to see another day, Unfortunately Philando Castille will not. Where is the training??? Too many Barney Fife’s on local police forces.

    • Ari

      That was the first incident I thought about. Levar was able to live to tell his story. I can’t even.

    • QueLoQue

      Training doesn’t matter when the cop doesn’t see you as human. These people are conditioned to see us as less than, and the law backs that up with their refusal to prosecute any of them. Nothing will change until there are real consequences for these guys’ reckless behavior, in one form or another.

      • Or they start killing middle aged beckys in mini vans. White people think they’re safe. They think the cops are protecting them from the scary brown people. They should be afraid because they’re next. Cops already have a license to kill Black and brown people. Soon their blood lust will need a bigger fix. They got a taste when they killed that 17 year old for flashing his headlights. You think they won’t want more?

  • Other_guy13

    We cannot win. You have a man who is registered and announced that he had a weapon. He did everything right and yet he is dead. WTF ARE WE SUPPOSED TO DO? Is there anywhere safe for us to just live? Is Africa still an option because this place is for the birds? Maybe Haiti? I just want to live in world where it is okay for us just to live. JUST LET US LIVE!!!!!!

    • Young Olu

      Bruh, Africa is very much an option. I will be retiring there. I’m not sure we can coexist here.

      • Other_guy13

        I’m thinking of making a move for real….this makes no sense.

    • Mortal Man

      Black folk don’t have the protection of the law, even when we follow the law.

  • Your Mama

    we need to mobilize!!! im in DC, down to meet with like minds in order to come up with some solutions..

  • Buster Cannon

    What kills me are the people still trying to justify it. “We don’t know the whole story, let’s gather all the facts first!” Bruh, it’s on video, how much more do you need? He reached for the glovebox like he was asked, only to catch 4 rounds in the arm (right in front of his daughter, at that). How on earth is this considered okay? There’s some this unwritten rule that cops can’t possibly make mistakes or be corrupt, it’s always the fault of the victim. No accountability whatsoever.

    • HouseOfBonnets

      I have soooo many trying to justify, it to the point that I’m ready to come to blows because they are clearly choosing to remain ignorant.

    • Ger Wil

      ” There’s some this unwritten rule that cops can’t possibly make mistakes or be corrupt, it’s always the fault of the victim. No accountability whatsoever.”

      Something about “worship of authority”

      That’s me somewhat regurgitating something I read today but it really defines a feeling/series of observations I’ve made over my life. It’s why “the little man” or the subordinate party in any argument always has to provide more and better proof to be believed. The whole mantra of “when it’s their word against yours…..blah”

  • Tyrell Holmes

    seeing the other angles of the Baton Rouge shooting pissed me off last night before going to bed…then I wake up to this????

    • Other_guy13

      It never seems to end. I’m anti today

    • Tambra

      I saw this last night and thought it was just a joke. Open season is firmly back on.

    • Tee

      I have yet to watch the Baton Rouge shooting. I don’t think I will either. I caught a glimpse of the Philando Castille video and just listened to remainder of the footage (I could not watch it anymore) and I’m undone. Just undone.

  • HouseOfBonnets

    I just can’t…..I just can’t deal with this process anymore. Don’t get me wrong I love my boys but seeing things like this in a world that’s already royally fucked almost make me mad at myself that i brought them into this world. Plus it’s not like you can hide it from them, they hear things, have questions, need answers and simply want to understand….and yet again I have to try to ease thier concerns and refocus their thoughts on something else because seven years old is too young of an age to rip the world of innocence, love and kindness from a child to only introduce them to horrible reality.

    It’s fucked up that children have to have this talk with their parents in the single digits……At the end of the day I just want them to live and be happy and excel. That’s all I want.

    And on that note I’m gonna stop tying because my vision is getting cloudy again and I’m literally working on fumes.

    • Other_guy13

      You have my prayers as well HOB….anyone with children does. I cannot imagine what its like to have to face your children and answer those questions. Just pray, pray, and pray some more. I’m to the point where if I do have children, I’m taking them EVERWHRE. Its just too much.

      • HouseOfBonnets

        Thanks. The best advice i can give is to just make sure you hug them often and let them know that they are loved everyday…..even when they work your nerves lbs. Make sure they know that they are great.

  • I had been refusing to watch this, but, a few friends implored me to do so. This morning…I sat in my car and I cried…I sat at my desk and I cried. I am currently in a SEA of white people…and I want nothing more than to seclude myself away with MY people…people who understand…people who are in pain like I am, and are fearful like I am. I just can’t do this today. I can’t do the day.

    • Ani-Q

      Persons with contrary opinions to mine know to stay way from me.

      • cakes_and_pies

        I’m the only Black person in my office and most of them bend over backwards patronizing me or are straight up terrified of me.

        • Ani-Q

          My face this morning…..hmph

          • cakes_and_pies

            I went in smiling and grinning just to confuse them even more, shut my door and cried a little.

        • miss t-lee

          You are me.
          The only folks who’ve come to talk to me today are the two really woke white people that I’ve discussed issues with before. They’re just as sickened by this as I am.

          • cakes_and_pies

            You are me! I have three woke White people in my office who I’m cool with. We can talk about anything and the rest look at us like we’re speaking in coded language.

            • Mortal Man

              I work for a charter school in the rural Arkansas Delta. All my coworkers of all stripes are woke.

              All the teachers in my school, even the math teachers, are figuring out how to show Black Lives Matter in their curriculum now.

              • Cheech

                You are doing the Lord’s work, MM.

              • cakes_and_pies

                I’d retire there. There is nothing like going to work without hypertension and the ability to openly talk.

                • Mortal Man

                  No retirement here. We go hard in the paint and work a lot.

                  • cakes_and_pies

                    Same here.

                • KNeale

                  This comment was too funny to me and I laughed even though I started off the day crying in my car. So thank you. I know you didn’t mean to be funny which made it even funnier. “there’s nothing like going to work without hypertension” lol.

                  • cakes_and_pies

                    That’s alright with me???

              • Blueberry01

                Damn right…

            • Beauty In Truth

              Stop speaking coded. Just speak.

              • cakes_and_pies

                We don’t speak coded, they just think we do because all conversations cease or switch gears when they enter the room.

                • Beauty In Truth

                  Keep talking…”We were just talking about that HORRIBLE cold blooded murder of a young innocent man,.” “Kelly, THOUGHTS?”

                  • cakes_and_pies

                    That’s how our conversations go. And????

                    • Beauty In Truth

                      You just said your conversations stop or switch gears, I said just add them into it. Don’t change the topic.

                    • cakes_and_pies

                      All White people ain’t able. That’s a given. I have no idea what spin is supposed to be achieved, but no topic has changed. You just took a tangent. I’m spent, through, and have no desire to infight over semantics, so pick apart someone else’s comment.

                    • Beauty In Truth

                      I, I went by what you wrote exactly. “The covo stops and we change the topic.” Okay let’s argue and be divided! I was encouraging discourse. Goodbye.

                    • Mochasister

                      MOST white people aren’t able. I don’t feel like going through the headache of weeding through the ones that I encounter to find the few who are.

                  • KNeale

                    This is @tunekat:disqus ‘s job, not mine.

            • miss t-lee

              It’s really good to have those folks, even though few in number.

          • Cleojonz

            This is me too. My best homegirl here is a hippie in her 60s. She’s the ONLY one a can even express how sad I am to. Don’t get me wrong the rest are sympathetic, but this one would actually be in the trenches if I said so.

            • miss t-lee

              You have the spirit of discernment to know who is really real, and who ain’t.

        • Beauty In Truth

          And why do you allow it?

          • cakes_and_pies

            Allow what?

        • Beauty In Truth

          Why do you let them patronize you?

      • I think they don’t even know what’s going on. I want to leave…but how can I explain that…I need to leave because someone I don’t know has been murdered in front of his child, and I am grieving?

        • Ani-Q

          I have no clue how to make someone walk a mile in my shoes if they dont even want to acknowledge my shoes. My dirty worn out shoes.

          • Blueberry01

            Or, even worse. They won’t acknowledge that you have feet.

        • CookieGugglemanFleck

          You can leave without explaining. Just say you’re not feeling well and take a personal day. It’s not their business if you need to take care of yourself. Be gentle on yourself.

        • Gibbous
          • Yo, I shared this YESTERDAY when I saw it. I was feeling down about the latest execution…and then today rolls around and…It’s just all too much for me.

      • Lillie Emily

        I wish I worked in an environment with supportive co-workers. Everyone walking around here like “business as usual.”

        • Proverbs31WIFE!

          It is business as usual for THEM, not you. Why would it not be?

        • PhlyyPhree

          I prayyyeeeddd so hard before I came in this morning. I almost considered “working from home” because I wasnt sure if I could call in black. I believe my manager would have accepted it as she’s told me to go home three times already, but I’m here. And I can’t do anything else but be HERE, so today, that’s what I’m doing: Being present.

    • Kat

      I’m a white woman who sat at my desk at work and cried as I watched this video. I cried for the injustice, the horror, the inhumanity, the tragic, needless loss of a black man at the hand of an ignorant, prejudiced, fearful white cop who was terrified of blackness. I cry for disgust and contempt for the whites so drunk on their privilege and worship of authority that they will twist their brains in knots looking for ways to defend the actions of this cop. I cry because I am ashamed, horrified, sickened, and repulsed by the attitudes of whites expressed in countless disgusting comments online. I cry because I feel absolutely helpless to make this stop. And, I cry because I know that the depth of pain that my black brothers and sisters feel is oceans deep, and I don’t know how to soothe it.

      • Beauty In Truth

        He was Asian.

        • kingpinenut

          Don’t think they ain’t trained in anti-blackness..thanks to the British

        • Proverbs31WIFE!

          Who was?!?!?!?

        • Cleojonz

          Doesn’t matter. Even some black cops behave the same way. They are ALL taught this racial bias in their police training. The danger is cop mentality as much as it is racism. It’s how they are taught that white people can be disarmed, but black people need to just be taken down and out.

          • Beauty In Truth

            That doesn’t fly. I’m black you can’t unteach my understanding of culture. Training should also be the foundation and not the Bible. Context is important.

            • Cleojonz

              That’s true for YOU but not for some people. I have seen it. You saw Boyz in the Hood right? The way that cop treated Trey there are people like that in real life, sometimes worse than a white officer. That kind of cop mentality is awful. It’s the reason you don’t see more police officers condemning their own when they do wrong. Sometimes they let their blue identity come before their human identity.

              • AnswerMe

                This example stays in my mind. Young Black men trying to tell the world what they face and how it doesn’t only come from differing skin tones, but their own as well.

              • Beauty In Truth
                • Cleojonz

                  You’re just trying purposely to be contrary and it’s so unnecessary. I posted this as well. I was glad to see it. It’s unfortunately not all police officers. More need to condemn their blue brethren when they do wrong. THEN maybe we can get results.

                  • Beauty In Truth

                    No I’m not. Goodbye divisive one. Believe what you won’t. My opinion is not the issue here. I could say that you’re purposefully being ignorant but what would that solve? Nothing.

                    • Cleojonz

                      So I’m being divisive for recognizing how divisive some police officers are? Even though I clearly recognized that there are officers out there speaking out and posted the same video as you without knowing you posted it? OK.

        • Kat

          Yes, I just watched the full-length version of the video, and I heard his girlfriend say that. Even more evidence, sadly, that the culture of policing in this country is corrupt and toxically anti-black, and poisons anyone who doesn’t question it, regardless of his or her ethnicity.

        • Jennifer

          He was blue.

      • Having a candid discussion with your white peers is always an option. It costs you nothing to tell them to do better

        • AnswerMe

          And they’re more likely to listen to someone who isn’t “pulling the race card.”

          • catgee12

            Question, what is “pulling the race card”? Seems to me that when ever we try to discuss racism, the historical or current condition of Black folks, we are accused of playing the race card or race baiting.

            • Question

              The ____ card is the card of being the victim of other people’s bullshit. When you’re talking about sexual assault, its the Woman Card. When you’re talking about racism, its the Race Card. When its poverty, its Entitlement.

              I keep asking people where I can get these race cards. I want one damnit!

            • AnswerMe

              Complaining about being mistreated because we’re Black but the mistreatment has nothing to do with race. And you are right, we’re accused of this all the time because the only other option would be to acknowledge other races, whites specifically, have work to do.

            • Val

              It’s just another way for them to derail the real conversation.

            • Blueberry01

              It’s a way for them to avoid their deep-seeded #whiteguilt

        • Kat

          You are quite right, and I do. But, I’m feeling pretty cynical about some of “my white peers” today. Because calling this out to them is about as effective as telling someone who doesn’t believe they are sick to go to a doctor for treatment. If they can’t see, refuse to see, will not even consider that they are looking through the world through a white privileged lense, won’t even for one minute consider that systemic racism is deeply embedded and operative in America still in 2016, there is no point in trying to convince them of anything. The rise of Trump has shown how many blatant, unrepentant, ignorant racists and xenophobes there are in our country, just waiting for someone to give them legitimacy. And he has. I am afraid for how much worse things can become. I just feel sick and scared.

          • Don’t worry. You’re white so you’ll be fine.

          • Proverbs31WIFE!

            We do not have the privilege of being cynics. So therefore, take that step and have it out with them.

            • Kat

              I do. On a daily basis, through personal conversations whenever I encounter racist BS, through countering racist comments online, etc. I cannot force people who do not want their minds opened to open them. I’d rather spend my time and energy on things that are effective and can change societal dynamics – working with groups putting pressure on government, the police, trying to change laws and practices. There will always be individual prejudice, and I’m not sure that will ever be eliminated. However, systemic racism can certainly can be eliminated from our institutions. Systemic racism legitimizes and perpetuates individual racism. And the systemic racism is what a lot of white people just don’t get – they don’t see it because it is the water they swim in. What happened this week in Baton Rouge and in St. Paul are the result of that systemic racism in policing.

              • Proverbs31WIFE!

                K.

              • KNeale

                “I cannot force people who do not want their minds opened to open them. I’d rather spend my time and energy on things that are effective and can change societal dynamics – working with groups putting pressure on government, the police, trying to change laws and practices.”

                You’ve got it all wrong. You can be most effective by educating/organizing other white people. We don’t need you lingering around groups of grieving black folks to tell them how sad you are. We need you to knock doors in the suburbs and get your people to show up at the rally demanding police accountability. Thats how you can be effective. Educating/organizing other white people. We don’t need you to go to the hood and register black people to vote we need you to go to into white neighborhoods and get them to vote for politicians that don’t support the murder, incarceration, and erasure of black people. Thats how you can be effective. We don’t need you to come on a black site and tell everybody how sad you are. We need you to reach out to your white family and friends and help bring them to consciousness. Thats how you can be effective. You don’t have the right to give up on changing your own people as they kill us and then say you feel sad.

                White people are your problem and either you do something about it or you can be quiet.

          • KNeale

            Here’s the thing: thats your problem. You have two options: you can stop being sad about it and stop talking about being sad about it because at the end of the day you’ll be fine because you’re white OR you can do the work that you need to do which is 1- educating/organizing other white people 2- relinquishing what you’ve gained unfairly through privilege 3- following/supporting black leadership. But you don’t really have any other options. Or at least not any other options that I care about. But you don’t get to just be sad and go around talking about how sad you are and telling every black person you come across how sad you are and telling every black person you come across how different you are from the others because unlike them…you’re sad. Not an option. So choose.

        • Question

          And this is really the answer. Maybe we as Black people need to applying more pressure to so-called White liberals who “are on our side”. Women don’t change men. Black people don’t change white people – White people change white people.

          Maybe our new answers need to be directed at the very people who ask the question –

          “What can I do?”

          Talk to your people. TALK TO YOUR PEOPLE.

          Stop talking to me and TALK TO YOUR MU’FUCKIN PEOPLE!

          • Our white allies aren’t really allies though. They talk a good game but I don’t really feel that they are genuinely concerned. If they were, they’d have pushed for better policing of police long ago

            • Question

              Are we surprised they aren’t genuinely concerned? Truth is White people aren’t genuinely concerned with anything outside of their own concerns – some ride with women’s issues because they are White women and some ride with LGBTQ issues because they are White LGBTQs.

              This issue doesn’t affect them at all. At all.

              Or at least it doesn’t directly. How can we make this issue indirectly affect them so that WE can see the change that we want.

              • TheVilleintheA
                • Question

                  Here is the model.

              • I might’ve been born at night, but I wasn’t born yesterday. White allies are only allies when they have something to gain by doing so, oftentimes it results in a political seat or money.

                • Question

                  (I hope you don’t think I was insinuating that you were somehow naive or ignorant – if so that wasn’t my intention – although I think you’re making a general point, not a specific one, I hope. If not, my bad).

                  That’s fine – that goes both ways. My support now comes with strings. Big strings.

                  All these old heads that were ride-or-die Hillary – is there enough time in the next ~3 months to get them to start putting political pressure on Hillary et al to respond and address these occurrence DIRECTLY and CONCRETELY?

                  For example, black folks who hosted $$$ HRC fundraisers – what say they now?

                  • Remember how she treated that BLM protester at one of her $30k/plate dinners? Or how she treated the young woman who approached her in the coffee shop? Those unplanned moments are where you saw the real HRC. She don’t give a fuq about Black people unless one’s cutting her a check.

                    What WE need to do is make note of all representatives and leaders in the community who supported her and vote them out of office.

                • KNeale

                  I’m saying! Not many of these people would be here if it didn’t end in a: political position, leadership position at an org, award, feature in the news, etc.

                  I am coming across a small group of young alternative kids (with the side shaves and the isosceles triangles tattooed on their calves) who really want to do movement work and follow the leadership of black organizers and I appreciate that. Whether or not they have agendas/ plan to stay around I don’t know.

              • Minx

                White Supremacy has the ability to reproduce itself in any space. I’m starting to advocate for strategic segregation. I’m tired of inclusivity that maintains hierarchy.

                • Question

                  Is this solely a White trait, or is it more about dominant supremacy? And would it be any different if another group were in power – because this stuff exists (to different degrees) in predominately Asian, Latin American and Middle Eastern societies – its just a different method of deciding the few who are in and the rest who are out.

                  Where I’m going with the previous questions: I’m indifferent to the Why – that’s for other people (not me) to study and diagnose because I don’t care. What I want to change is the impact it has on me. I’m not interested infighting white supremacy or whatever you want to call it – I just want to ensure there are protective systems out there for me, my children and people like me.

                  How much would it cost to have a team of Johnnie Cochran super lawyers readily deployable at any time to take on these cases? What systems does this organization need in place to operate effectively? How do the people engage with this organization?

                  What can I do?

                  • Minx

                    Alright, I’m running on 2 hours of sleep and my brain is stressed out so I’m going to try and make sense but forgive me if I’m rambling.

                    When I use the term “White Supremacy”, I am talking about a particular long-lasting and fluid phenomenon that has impacted not only our dominant conceptions of civilization, modernity and process, but also gravely impacts our knowledge systems to defer to power and think in hierarchy. Europeans invented capitalism and yet you see the “communist” country of China bypassing them in terms of capitalist accomplishment, even returning to the continent of Africa to begin the process of exploitation all over again, when we.know. China is constantly under fire for Human Rights abuses (aka they already exploit their own people for cheap labor) and we.know.that using the lowest of lower class white Europeans would have made for a more efficient slave labour market and yet under our current knowledge systems, the group that it makes the most sense to abuse, exploit and extend willful harm to is African/Black peoples. We understand “success”, “community”,”labour”, “power” and especially “race” through a dominating knowledge system that has been built into the foundations of the institutions, the borders, and the success of other “dominant” groups outside of the original colonizers and their modern successors such as the United States and you don’t need white people to enact it because they’ve insured that this is a process you can embody without needing white skin – yet there is no one who is able to wield that kind of power better when it comes to holding this whole system together.

                    Who writes histories? The victors. Where do you learn to create your own victories? The oppressors.

                    The impact “it” has on you and your family and your people is unavoidable until we decide that participation is futile and survival needs to look like a large scale resistance which actually involves saying “I actually don’t care about the consequences, we’re OUT”. Hierarchies can’t survive if they have no one to stand on top of – the sweet irony of the lasting effects of White Supremacy is that racialized people have always outnumbered white people and yet, that’s why you don’t need to be a majority to benefit.

                    The problem is that our current system is a lot like a garden with weeds – sometimes you manage to clear away just enough space for yourself and then you kinda manage to make some room for other people or you learn how to kill off one strain completely, but the weeds always come back in new ways – yet they’re still weeds. It is literally a situation that looks hopeless and hopeful at the same time. And I don’t have the best answer because I am of the opinion that this full-scale boycott/takedown/whatever you want to call it will not happen within my lifetime but I want to make sure that whatever genes end up floating down have my bloodline has resistance flowing through them and they will be more creative and more prepared to rise up than me.

                    You do what you can by surviving, by playing with the system, by finding community and holding onto what resources you have and pray that you don’t burn out.

                    I know that my answer probably is not helpful but I am exhausted.

                • Mochasister

                  The sad thing is you don’t even need whites to uphold it. People who aren’t white support white supremacy as well. Darker skinned people get shunned or made fun of for having darker skin. Lighter skinned/ biracial/mixed people are practically worshipped. They are put on a pedestal and deemed “better.” Many people of color (not just Blacks) think white is supreme and will do anything to get as close to it as possible.

                • ChokeOnThisTea

                  “I’m tired of inclusivity that maintains hierarchy.”

                  *throws ipad*

                  If you don’t mother effin preach!!!!

                • Yaaasssss Lawd…I think we’ve forgotten how much we need each other and who we really are. We can’t fix whyte folk crazy. They need to do the work of fixing it themselves.

            • Baby, even our own aren’t allies so how could we ever trust “them”?

            • Ger Wil

              Not to be an apologist, but don’t paint with such a broad brush. While I agree that it is 100 PERCENT NECESSARY that more of the allies *do* on top of their *say* the last thing anyone should want to do is alienate and discourage the ones (however many or few there are) that are actually genuine in their concern and are truly “doing.”

              And that goes two ways. For every one of the allies there is an ignorant, “privileged”, manipulable Stacy Dash or Don Lemon making matters worse.

              • I’ll pass on that but I do understand where you’re coming from.

          • KNeale

            I agree. Funny thing is when the BLM chapters were running up on Bernie and Hillary everybody was saying: “you are protesting the wrong people!” I understood it but everyone critiqued them. Then when they started meeting with them for talks again people critiqued them. Just saying. I have complex feelings on working with white liberals in general but BLM was definitely going that route and they were critiqued heavily (including by commenters on this site).

            • Question

              I think BLM is thinking about things in the right way, but the tactics are where they lose me. You aren’t going to get Bernie Sanders to address Black issues by shouting him down at a rally. You do that by talking with him and using what pressure you DO have in order to get support.

              Part of the problem is a lot of the CBC members and prominent ol’ Black folks lined up behind Hillary as soon as she threw her hat in the ring. She didn’t have to work for a damn thing. Not a thing.

          • Guest

            The problem is, why do we need to change them!? We need to change the laws, not the people. Changing the people is looking for sympathy, changing the law is seeking for justice.

            Boycott, boycott, boycott everything that white institutions stands for is our only solution.

            • Question

              Keepin it one’hunnit – boycotting white institutions isn’t possible for me. My clients are “white institutions”. My husband works for a “white institutions”. We need those ‘white institutions” to pay our mortgage, raise our family etc.

              But that’s just it – do we need to boycott white institutions to get laws changed? once again, I feel like we’re ignoring the power that we do have in favor of grand symbolic gestures that do more harm than good. Or is it the only way – I’m wondering…and asking honestly. My gut says no, but maybe I’m being too strategic…

        • PinkRose

          The kind of white folks committing these murders aren’t the kind that work in office settings. They’re often uneducated low lifes who joined law enforcement for a better paycheck/life. And very much like their ancestors, just want free reign to kill Black men.

          • Mochasister

            But those “higher class” whites are supporting them. They let them get away with it with these sham trials and investigations. The “office” whites feel safer with the police gunning down Blacks.

      • Ellen

        I am white, too. How best can a white person help support the black community and end this injustice? I want to help, but I don’t know where to start.

        • Jennifer

          When your white friends, family, or associates doubt that this is a problem, speak up.

        • Khalil Jannah

          This picture feels decidedly apropos

          • ChokeOnThisTea

            No.

        • Google… Tumblr… Can we mourn without having to pay attention to you? Why should anyone here have to direct you when it’s hard enough to show up? Sitting back and reading and listening would tell you a great deal about what to do.

        • MintChocolata

          You can make a point to vote in local elections, including when electing police officials to help change the laws and hold police more accountable. Also, I heard about this organization , Campaign Zero, today on Facebook and it looks like it might be a step in the right direction in helping to end police violence.

          http://www.joincampaignzero.org/#vision

        • L8Comer
      • CookieGugglemanFleck

        Thank you for saying that. I’m white and I’m so ashamed and feel really powerless, too. This is an effin’ epidemic so deeply rooted in the entire American system and there’s no indication that the story will play out differently here either. But I don’t want to retreat to cynicism and complacency. That will certainly not help.

      • Jacqueline

        How you feel is exactly how we feel. I think your only responsibility is to make sure you influence those around you and educate and push back against the problem when you have the opportunity in whatever way speaks to your soul.

        You are already part of the solution by acknowledging the problem. God Bless.

        • Proverbs31WIFE!

          Nope. How she feels is NOT how I feel. She will never know the feeling.

          • Jacqueline

            Um, read her comment. You mean to tell me you don’t share any of these feelings?

          • Don’t engage.. uuugh

            • Jacqueline

              Do not get me wrong – I am not caping for her, I am just saying lets direct our anger where it belongs. She asked a question and I answered.

              On another note, I am as enraged as you are. Yesterday, my first words when I found out about Alton Sterling was this is the last straw, enough is enough.

              We have to find a way to take this anger and mobilize.

              • I’m glad you said that.. because kneegrows have been caping like a mfer.

              • Proverbs31WIFE!

                I meant EXACTLY what I said. And yes, I read everything that was written.

        • Kat

          Thank you, Jacqueline, I truly appreciate your comment and encouragement. I get so frustrated trying to talk to white people who just don’t want to see, but I do it whenever I hear racist nonsense around me. The most difficult thing is to try to help other white people see that white privilege is real, that systemic racism is deeply interwoven into every aspect of American society and government. I think many white people are horrified by racism on an individual basis and would not consciously do something racist to an individual. But, sometimes those same people really don’t get the systemic racism part, can’t see things like white men don’t have to fear for their physical safety encountering police or walking down the street, white people don’t have to wonder if they will be denied a job, housing, employment, etc. simply because of the color of their skin and no other reason – yes, here, in America, 2016. And the rise of Trump is unleashing and giving credence to the most vile racism and xenophobia I have ever seen in my lifetime. I don’t want to be cynical and negative, that is not my normal personality, but today I don’t know how else to feel.

          • Jacqueline

            You are welcome. I hear you what you are saying about some of your people, but as they say: “you can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make him drink”.

            I personally feel as if the Trump rhetoric is actually emboldening some people. But I will tell you as will tell anyone else on this site, do not give in to cynicism, optimism is the only way.

            Meditate, take a step away if it is too much, but never give in to cynicism. Keep reaching out to like minded people…it helps empower you and remind yourself that you are on the right side of the issue.

      • Mochasister

        No offense but don’t talk to us. Talk to your fellow white brethren and sistren. As a white woman you have power and privilege that we as Black people don’t. White people only listen to other white people. They for damn sure aren’t listening to us. Maybe you can become a modern day version of a white abolitionist and speak out.

        • Kat

          I do speak out. Every. Damn. Day. I speak up when I hear racist BS from family, from strangers, etc. I speak up and counter with facts and logic till I’m blue in the face. I challenge countless racist idiots online. I educate myself about what is going on in my community and support, with my voice and my votes, measures to reform police/government practices, etc. I may be white, but I’m also a woman, so I understand just a little about how white male power has been and continues to be used to oppress. Toxic whiteness poisons everything it touches, including whites. The aware ones among us know we’ve been poisoned, and seek help and seek to help. But, words don’t change anybody. Words don’t convince anybody. Example does. Action does.

          • Mochasister

            Continue to speak. I know it’s probably not easy speaking out against your community. But they WILL listen to you more than us. Even being white and a woman you still have more power than us. I truly believe that the only way things are going to change is if white men and white women change this system of whiteness that they BOTH originally created, continue to support and benefit from. Unfortunately, there aren’t enough sincere white men and women who are advocating for change. I pray for the modern John Browns and Viola Liuzzos (I probably misspelled her last name.). May you not lose heart.

          • KNeale

            Actually conversations are powerful. And you need to keep having them. As said upthread, you don’t get to give up and tap out then still say you want to help. You’re exhausted by talking to racist people about racism…honey, try living it.

        • pookel

          Honestly, sometimes I think there are two sides to the same coin here. Black activists don’t have time to waste giving out ally cookies, white allies want to help but they also want someone to hold their hand and walk them through Racism 101.

          It seems to me that what we can do as white allies, at least one thing, is to do that work of hand-holding, educating, and cookie-distributing for all those nice white people who don’t really “get it” but want to do the right thing. If being gentle and patient and explaining institutional racism over and over to your aging parents/neighbors/coworkers/etc is what it takes to get them to vote for the right people and support the right laws, then that’s what we should be doing. If eager new white allies want to learn allllll about racism since they just found out it’s still a thing, we should be explaining it to them (over and over again, until they get it).

        • MALynn

          I always ask myself what do interracial couples with one white person do in times like these? Like the significant other might be cool people but what about their coworkers and their white families? I can’t help feel some sort of way thinking about it. Like are y’all giving weight to my words because I got chosen by a white man/woman. Am I the exception to your “all of them uncivilized negros” ?

          • Mochasister

            Situations like these are why I probably will never be with a white man. I can’t deal with the willful obtuseness(I don’t know if that’s a word but you know what I mean) of white people. Unfortunately, there still exists a great divide between white and Black America. He can’t really understand what it is that I and other Black people experience in this country. I don’t want to be holding his hand trying to give him a “gentle” explanation of racism, white privilege, or why there’s no such thing as reverse racism. Granted there are clueless Black people who don’t get it either (Thomas, Dash, Lemon, and Williams for starters.). But I think most Black people are more aware than most wHite people. I also don’t want to be reassuring and comforting him at a time like this (read Kat’s posts and the VSB responses to her to see what I mean.). Black people are coming to a “safe” place to vent about their fears, sadness and anger. You want to come and talk you and how hurt you are and how you talk to other whites (again read Kat’s posts.) Lastly, I would be afraid of not being able to separate him from the whites who condone these murders. Would I take my pain and frustration out on him? If interracial couples with one white and one Black person can handle it, kudos to them.

            • MALynn

              Exactly this! I have a couple of girlfriends married to white men and I’m like…so you’re a little bit safer than me I guess since you are getting droplets of white privilege. They also tell me how they get treated differently when they are alone and when when they are with their SO. This reinforces the idea that you must be worth a lil respect since one of us deigned to marry you…

              Like I say I dont mind interracial marriages and then something like this comes up and I’m all confused.

              • Epsilonicus

                As a person in an interracial marriage, you don’t get any of the benefits.

                • FromTokyo

                  I believe this. I’m not in one, but I’ve seen that you don’t, time and time again.

                  Maybe it depends on the community the couple is in, but I agree.

      • So you’re regurgitating our feelings to us? We aren’t here to comfort you. Have you shared “these feelings” with YOUR folks? If not, please go.

        • Proverbs31WIFE!

          Woi. Sapa Naboolaaaaay!

        • Mochasister

          I couldn’t quite put my feeling on what it was that was bothering me about her comments. She does seem to be coming off as looking for comfort. Look at me. I’m not like them. I think several people (including myself) have encouraged her to talk to other whites. Reddit, Yahoo, Jezebel…there’s a plethora of white oriented sites that could stand to listen to her.

          • Exactly…but she came HERE. nawl.

          • Proverbs31WIFE!

            THIS!

          • I hear you…We’re trying to mourn and be in community with each other. Now is not the time for hand holding guilt-ridden white women…I can’t stand it. Even in pain and suffering we put ourselves to the side to hand hold white people. As a community we need to stop this mess…

            • Mochasister

              I want to give her the benefit of the doubt and believe that she is sincere about wanting change for the better. But sometimes I get irritated when whites come to Black oriented sites telling us about themselves and what all they do. I get that she was horrified by what she saw. Any halfway decent human being should have been. Express your horror and then go back and talk to your fellow whites about why this is wrong. Don’t expect us to play the Viola Davis role from The Help. You is not special. You is not kind. You is not good. God forgive me if I’m being too harsh.

              • I don’t think you are being too harsh. I feel like it’s very important to have a safe space to discuss, process and grieve. I too, get very agitated when white folk come to Black oriented sites to share all they do– especially at times like these. I feel like this is the worst time to come here and share all you do.
                Girl, I am the essence of jaded because I have met white folk who do better.. So you are much more patient and kind than me :)

                Btw, I love that you mentioned the Viola Davis role from The Help. I feel like when white people come to Black oriented sites during tragedies that is exactly what they want from us. They want to be told they are special, that they are different. They want to feel like blood isn’t on their hands. Rather than going to their communities and holding their folk responsible (if necessary) they come to us in the midst of mourning and want us to focus on their guilt. We naturally pat them on the head without thinking about how selfish it is to interrupt a grieving community. This is how we are taught to be anyway. We’ve given them everything. I’m tired of it. The world does not center around white folk. They need to learn that.

      • pookel

        I don’t even know. I get into arguments with my friends and family about it, I fight with other white people on the internet about it. I gave some money to BLM today. I try to do what I can to help and not get in the way of conversations within the black community. It doesn’t seem like enough.

        Joan Trumpauer Mulholland is one of my heroes – she didn’t waste any time agonizing over what good white people could do, or trying to prove how progressive she was, she just went out and marched and put her white self in the path of Jim Crow, and she never went looking for praise for what she was doing. She just did it. https://anordinaryhero.com/

    • I feel like they’re trying to be extra nice to me today for some reason. And I’m not here for any of it.

      • Tee

        Any of it.

      • Mochasister

        They know they’re wrong. They know it’s wrong how those police officers are gunning people down in a modern form of lynching 21st century style.

    • Beauty In Truth

      Don’t hide your pain. That’s what they want. Talk about it. Open a dialogue.

    • Mochasister

      I’m sorry Twilisha that you have to be at work with the others. I know that can’t be easy being around them when the vast majority of them are so unfeeling and uncaring. I will pray for you.

      • thanks love. I’m halfway through.

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