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A Vote For Jill Stein Is A Vote In The Trash

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Cornel West recently continued down his long, winding road to breaking my heart.

He returned to his recurring role as a panelist on Real Time with Bill Maher, where he was even more overbearing than usual. He battled with Barney Frank and barely let my future second wife Alex Wagner get a word in edgewise; even Maher was visibly annoyed.

On top of his interminable – and now played-out – bashing of Barack Obama, West spent a good amount of time castigating Hillary Clinton and bolstering Jill Stein, the Green Party candidate for president.

Listening to West – one of our eminent Black scholars and a man whom I’ve venerated for years – back a horse that could contribute to the election of Donald Trump was like Yoda feeling the disturbance in the Force when Darth Vader slaughtered the Jedi younglings. I wanted to throw one end of his scarf into a wood chipper while still around his neck and force him to change his position.

Michael Eric Dyson authored the definitive (if not petty as hell) ethering of West; that’s not what I’m here for. I plead that you don’t listen to West, or anyone else who would convince you to send your vote to Stein in November.

The Green Party has been bopping around in the U.S. for a little more than three decades now; it gained notoriety when presidential candidate Ralph Nader put a small wedge between Al Gore and George W. Bush in the 2000 presidential election (the first in which I was able to vote).

The oft-touted idea that Nader “stole” the election from Gore has been disproven. But he sure didn’t help matters in an election he couldn’t win. Stein is threatening the same interference for the 2016 election, which has higher stakes.

Folks aren’t riding for Stein or the Green Party and it’s Candy Land-ass platform because they’re impressed with either – they’re planning to throw their vote away on an “anyone-but-Clinton” play, which is misguided at best. Truth is, Stein could walk past my desk, grant me my 40 acres and a mule and I still wouldn’t know who the fuck she was. Put a picture of her alongside one of Clifton Powell, and I bet even White folks would recognize Powell first.

To be clear, I’m not Clinton’s number-one fan; many of her critics’ have valid points, and I certainly believe her presidency would usher in more status-quo bullshit. (My general sentiment on this election hasn’t changed.) But I don’t abide by the hyperbolic sentiment that she would, in any way, leave our country worse off than George W. Bush did, and I don’t give a shellacked shit about emails and servers. Despite protestations, no one really does.

I also recognize that there are scores of sexist troglodytes under the impression that a woman pushing 70 will somehow start World War III because of her “emotions,” leaving us all to walk blindly through the post-apocalyptic wasteland fighting bandits like Denzel in The Book of Eli. Those people should be taken as seriously as Trump voters.  

Truth is, your day-to-day will likely not change under her presidency. Henny will still be in plentiful supply, grown-ass men will still be chasing Pokemon and Kevin Hart will still make the same movie over and over again and you niggas will go see it.

However, as Damon wrote, there’s a crystalline divide between the parties and their two candidates. If you’re placing Clinton and Trump on the same plane of “evil,” you’re probably wrestling with a cognitive dissonance that negates the importance of your opinion for anything outside of which brand of plastic forks to buy for the cookout. And you’re probably also a White male.

Trump is an unfettered demagogue who has made no less than six public statements that, standing alone, render anything he might do positively as president irrelevant and should prohibit him from ever getting within pissing distance of the White House. Unbridled xenophobia, racism and a demonstrated lack of domestic policy and foreign relations should be enough that I shouldn’t even have to write this fucking piece.  

The only reason Trump ascended to become likely the most absurd presidential candidate ever is because he ran against a bunch of contestants from the Real World/Road Rules Challenge who couldn’t manage to beat that guy. Folks already conceding to a country run by President Trump should remember this and not be so hasty.

To that end, I’m surprised to see some Black folks, of all people, adopt the position of privilege by suggesting that a Trump presidency might benefit our community in the long run. “Enh, let’s ride this thing out with The Donald. See what happens,” said no Muslim or Mexican ever.  

I’m guessing at least 90 percent of you considering voting for Stein are doing so because you Felt the Bern. That Doc Brown-looking-ass nigga lost…get the fuck over it.

Better still, think about how diametrically opposed Sanders would be to a Trump presidency. And how he’s really wants you to vote for Clinton now. Go with common sense, folks.  

Like many of you, I’m over our government’s two-party system…not to mention the Electoral College, lack of Congressional term limits and other antiquated aspects of our democratic process that allow us to get stuck in these mires of political malcontent.

That’s why it’s important to rally behind an alternative party a hell of a lot sooner than a few months before the election. While some would argue that a third-party system is futile altogether, I think everyone would agree that the revolution doesn’t happen in the same amount of time it takes you to get off of new employee probation. Obama’s ascendancy to the presidency took several years.

At this point, you’re either #WithHer or you wanna Make America Great Again. Anything else is a waste of everyone’s time. I still don’t think Trump will win the big seat, but if he has any chance at all, it’ll be because of bullshit-ass voters in battleground states like Florida, Ohio and Pennsylvania who stay home, vote for Stein, pencil in their Uncle Howie or some other dumb shit.

Jill Stein is merely a nostrum, and I believe Trump is legitimately dangerous for numerous reasons. Vote for Hillary Clinton now – figure out how to create change immediately thereafter. And if you happen to be one of the three conflicted Black Republicans reading Very Smart Brothas, then go-go Gary Johnson 2016!!

Dustin Seibert

Dustin J. Seibert lifts heavy weights and plays all his video games on hard mode to find peace. He has a better ear for hip-hop than anyone else you know. He writes like the English language is going outta style because the steaks in his freezer are dependent on it.

  • Toya Dixon

    I’m definitely one of the not voting for either Trump or Hillary. I know Trump is worse, but I’m not gonna vote for Hillary just because she’s the “lesser of two evils.” I do agree that people should rally behind 3rd party candidates sooner than a few months before the election though.

    Honestly, being that I’m from NC and still (unfortunately) live here, I’m more concerned about the governor and representatives in our state. Not that the presidential election isn’t important, but Obama couldn’t prevent our state legislators from passing (or trying to pass) horrendous bills like: HB-2, barring the public from seeing police cam footage, Duke Energy poisoning water from coal ash leaks, attempting to shut down at least 4 HBCUs, and the list goes on.

    Moral of the story…the presidential election is important, but your local government officials affect you more than the president. So maybe instead of talking about Trump and Hillary we should focus on our state/local officials as much as we do the presidential ones.

    • QueenRaven23

      Yea NC is going through a lot politically.

      • NC decided during the last mid-term that they were going to out South Carolina, South Carolina.
        Which only meant that they stopped pretending to be more progressive than SC.

        • Toya Dixon

          I cannot disagree. Performers have moved concerts to SC because NC was discriminating too much. When people start choosing SC over NC because NC is less accepting than SC, we have a problem.

      • Toya Dixon

        It’s really embarrassing. I know if NC is in the news now it’s ALWAYS for some mess McCrory and his ilk have passed.

    • Jarret Ford

      I get your sentiment.

      Though In my opinion, in order to apply the lesser of two evils to Hillary vs Trump. One would have to severely demonize Hillary and humanize Trump, to the same degree.

      • cyanic

        Trump’s ugliness is on full display. The Clintons charm you while enacting policy that’s harmful to your community to appease conservative critics.

        • Kas

          Are you saying a Clinton presidency would be no better than a Trump presidency for PoC?

          • cyanic

            No. Trump can’t run a business nor keep himself calm enough to appear cordial . Black people received it from both ends during the Clinton years. Hillary Clinton has the competency to keep things steady.

            • Kas

              Ok. I can’t defend Bill’s push to dismantle the social safety net, but the knock they get on incarceration requires a more nuanced discussion than just “the Clintons”.

              • cyanic

                They’re interested in keeping the status quo happy on both sides. They’ll compromise their black voter base to appease conservative critics. Although the open nastiness of the Right these days maybe enough for them to have no f’s to give.

                • Guest

                  Thanks, cyanic. You get it.

                  Don’t drink the Clinton Kool-Aid.

              • Epsilonicus

                Especially when tons of leaders from our communities supported that legislation

      • Toya Dixon

        I think Hillary’s aintshitness is more hidden than Trump’s, but it’s not hard to demonize her. She does a great job of that herself.

        Trump is the stereotypical racist and (in my opinion) Hillary is the white liberal that MLK told us about. Actually she’s a little worse because she played a part in the push for mass incarceration and until she acknowledges that I cannot with good conscience support her.

        Trump is trash too though.

        • Jarret Ford

          I agree. Corruption and shadiness have followed the Clintons throughout their public careers.

          I just feel the Clinton’s have enough decent/good deeds on their resume to not be on par with trump, in a lesser of two evils argument

          • Toya Dixon

            I feel you. I just look at is as a choice of would I rather deal with a bigoted narcissist who is unqualified for the position or an oligarch who doesn’t mind selling out the American people.

            Both candidates suck in a different way.

          • Thriller

            Being a major factor in the mass incarceration of black people is not a major blight on Clinton’s? All the wars she has supported is not a major blight? Where are these good deeds?

            • manofmorehouse

              But no one had a problem with Bernie voting for the crime bill either. I’m not sure if u recall, but the 90s weren’t a safe time in urban cities. I’m from LA. I can name at least 5 brothers I grew up with that are no longer here. Not to cops. Not to drug overdoses. To gang life and violence. While I don’t think nonviolent offenders should’ve been incarcerated, the crime bill was a necessary evil to curb crime back then. The neighborhood I grew up in is full of black kids skateboarding now. I’ll take that over ducking bullets to school anyday

      • Asiyah

        Nobody has to severely demonize Hillary. She does that all by herself.

    • Yeah but Trump or Hillary is still getting sworn in on January _, 2017 so your vote for neither isn’t really a vote but I do get it.

      I’m hopefully that Cooper wins in November and that McCory chokes on an olive.

      • Toya Dixon

        Exactly. My not voting won’t stop either candidate from eventually becoming president.

        The DNC rigged the primaries for Hillary so it’s not irrational to believe that we really don’t have a say so in the presidential election anyway.

        Cooper is the only person I can definitively say I’d vote for to, but I’d rather McCrory choke on fishbones (much more uncomfortable).

        • Ok but Trump being voted in is infinitely worse though.

          • Toya Dixon

            You won’t find me disagreeing with that.

            • given that, it just seems like voting Hilary is the only way to ensure that the scenario that is “infinitely worse” wont occur. Its like being given the choice to either be shot in the head or the foot. Neither is desirable, one is far worse than the other, and its impossible to be indifferent about the decision.

        • Kat

          Bernie wasn’t and isn’t a true Den anyway. So in essence they supported their party member. I have no problem with that.

          • Toya Dixon

            That’s cool. I just choose not to support a party that skirts over the principles of democracy.

      • brothaskeeper

        And that olive is probably attached to an escort’s Pnus. Yeah, I said it.

      • Y’all Tarheels are starting to scare me. The clog in the SC state senate who wanted to adopt HB 2 almost word for word last in a primary but I keep wondering what is next.

        • We are starting to become the new Alabama/Mississippi across many fronts.

          • Yep.

          • Which is sad. I love Charlotte and it’s on me and Mrs. Mortal Man’s shortlist of towns she’s gonna do residency in.

    • Junegirl627

      at this point in the race your point is pointless. This is no longer about who you believe in or who you want in office. This is about who will leave the country the way they found it and who will leave it extremely worse. Clinton is not going to do anything to really improve the poor and minorities lives. but Trump will destroy everything.

      • Toya Dixon

        The point may be to you, but not me so we can disagree there.

        Everything keeps coming back to “you gotta vote for Hillary or you’ll get Trump.” I don’t get down with that logic, and I know how terrible the Clinton’s policies have been for POC (particularly blk people) so to say that she couldn’t make it worse is disingenuous.

        Again, my point is I care more about my state/local elections than the pageantry of the presidential election.


    • NonyaB

      But the POTUS affects choice of Supreme Court picks; doesn’t that concern you? Also, I agree on importance of local government officials but federal ones are important too, e.g. it took a federal court to nullify North Carolina’s attempt at disenfranchising Black voters.

      • Toya Dixon

        Of course it does, but you know what concerns me more? Living in a state where the governor’s staff pressured a toxicologist to say that contaminated water is ok to drink, where police no longer have to show body cam footage to the public, where teachers are paid some of the lowest salaries out of all 50 states, etc.

        While the Supreme Court did help out with the voting law, it still took years and mobilization of people within the state to even bring it to that point. I don’t judge anyone for voting for Hillary or Trump (well maybe a little judgment for Trump), but I also respect the fact that there are voters in our society who don’t agree with either candidate and wish to support in a different way (i.e. me focusing more on my state/local election).

        I never said that voting for president wasn’t important, just that I’m not interested in the candidates. I’m very aware of how the POTUS affects our country’s decisions, but using my risk management analysis, Pat McCrory (current governor of NC) is more dangerous to my well-being at this time than Hillary or Trump. I may or may not vote for president at all, but I’m not going to be ashamed of holding that stance.

        • NonyaB

          I get your point and hopefully you’ll do both because elections are not just about what’s affecting you today but what possible issues that may affect you in a few years time. Since a common issue with politics is how the implementation and effect of policy X or Y doesn’t happen until years later, it’s important to have a say before it really matters.

          • Toya Dixon

            I understand how elections and voting works. I never said I wasn’t going to vote just that it won’t be for Hillary or Trump.

            I have never insinuated that the presidential election isn’t important, but while we argue about Trump and Clinton does anyone know who all the other candidates running are?

            I don’t feel bad for the way I feel, and I’m informed enough to understand my options.

            At the end of the day, I need to be able to live with my decisions and I’m good with that. Vote for who you think is the best candidate and give others the same respect, even if their views differ from yours.

            • NonyaB

              Public awareness of 3rd partiers depends on how much work those candidates and their supporters put in to spread their message. Ignoring the work needed (years earlier and at grassroots) to suddenly appear at finals and expecting a big draw is not a viable strategy and reflects unseriousness about actually reaching the goal, hence why it’s currently a mathematical impossibility for a 3rd party to win.

              It’s certainly your right to vote however you want. Questioning people’s choices or logic doesn’t equate to disrespect or wanting them to feel bad. At the end of the day, I’m just your neighbour from Canuckia wondering what emotions have to do with a necessarily pragmatic exercise (per my other comment on post) and hoping y’all don’t come to the next cookout with #RancidOrangeSandpaperFace as your leader.

    • Elle Latham

      You do what you want. None of us should be bullied by people who can’t defend their candidate without using fear of Donald Trump.

      • Toya Dixon

        Oh I’m definitely going to. We keep getting stuck in the vote for this one because that one’s worse.

        I’m choosing to vote for people who best reflect my views and neither Trump or Hillary is it.

        The condescending comments about choosing not to vote for either is really unnecessary.

  • A desparate attempt to corral the Bernie Sanders squad. This move is known as “The Ralph Nader”.
    (Is she trying to guarantee a Trump win or what?)

    • Asiyah

      Ralph Nader didn’t severely affect the 2000 election. Let’s stop that myth.

      • I was being sarcastic.
        My bad.

        • Asiyah

          Not your bad. My bad for not picking it up.

      • troubleman

        wait, didn’t Nader stop Gore from winning Tennessee? Which would have put Gore over the top electoral college wise?

        • Asiyah

          I forgot which article I read that disputes this myth. When I find it, I’ll post a link.

    • Nicole Mabry

      Yes. That’s exactly what she said. The best way to stop Trump is to elect him.

  • Brooklyn_Bruin

    1) People who want multiparty democracies aren’t political science majors. You think our politics are gridlocked…

    2) The die hard Bernie Sanders supporters should be creating the progressive equivalent of the Republican southern strategy, and electing Bernie-crats to the Texas school textbook commission and looking at local elections. (Which is what they’re now doing if you can believe the press)

    • Parliamentary systems that have multiple parties periodically have to dissolve and reform their parties when gridlock becomes unbearable. It does not seem like a stable political system to me.


      • Bomani Jones mentioned on his podcast last night that Americans couldn’t handle many of the aspects of parliamentary governments.

      • Brooklyn_Bruin

        Coalition governments are more “democratic”. But that’s more people at the end of the night trying to figure out where to grub

    • Epsilonicus

      “1) People who want multiparty democracies aren’t political science majors. You think our politics are gridlocked…”

      I can’t remember the country but somewhere in Europe it took 2 years to form a gov’t because no party won a majority in Parliament and couldn’t cobble together a coalition. Nothing got done on their federal level

      • The correct answer is Belgium.

        • Epsilonicus

          I thought so. Thanks

    • Karine1976

      Proportional parties are how end up with extreme right or left wing parties that end up in coalition governements because they have the number. And that’s how you end up with restrictive immigration policies among other things. You can see this in many Euro governements or in Israel. Canada is looking into changing our election system and as flawed the First Past The Post system, I am not looking forward to having elections every couple years because of failed coalitions.

      • There’s also systems of national organization. Canada can trend in the American direction because it wouldn’t require dramatic changes in government on their part. It would be much more difficult to do other places.

      • Brooklyn_Bruin

        To some extent that’s who the two parties are.

        Women, minorities, teachers, unions, greens


        Gun guys, anti choice, fiscal conservatives, rich guys..

        And we’re seeing the disintegration of the right as the rich guys who used race to appeal to the poor ones so that they could sell them out.

  • HouseOfBonnets

    Grabs snacks for political commentary because like i said i lost a dog in this fight a while ago. Also I’m ready for this to be over…..

    • Kas

      Truth be told, if you are of color, your dog was at best fighting for scraps anyway. I will be interest to sew over the next few years if all of the anti-hillary/pro-trump voters actually contribute to a change in the politicians for whom we vote.

      • HouseOfBonnets

        I was saying this from the beginning , I personally saw no viable options even with Bernie.

  • Stanley

    Man listen, I’m with you 170%. I’m not a huge fan of Hillary, but the Republican Party is backing A diorite chip with cyanid on it. Trump can’t be president. That’s just that. Great read

  • Jason Alston

    This is probably my favorite post I’ve read so far on VSB. There’s just something strange about the rhetoric in this election, not just of the people backing Trump, but also the people who are refusing to vote for either major party candidate. What took the cake was when I saw this image going around Facebook requesting that people convince you to vote for Hillary without mentioning Trump. People thought it was brilliant, but it was really the most retarded request ever. Voting is ALWAYS relative and you don’t just pick a candidate without considering the stances of the others. Every candidate, Hillary included, has to be measured against the opposition because every candidate looks horrible against “Perfect Theoretical Candidate X” but looks acceptable against “Theoretical Candidate Y who Lacks Any Redeeming Value”. These sorts of statements weren’t said in the past, but now people are getting brand new and with Trump looming, it’s not the time for that.

    That said, Stein is a person with only small town council experience who is saying all the right things and is adored by people who don’t realize that talk is just that, talk. It’s hilarious that people want to talk records and say they don’t like Hillary’s, so they’re going for Stein. It’s so easy to seem like you have a better record than someone else when your record consists of zero years of stuff to dissect while the other person’s record is 20 years deep.

    • troubleman

      “That said, Stein is a person with only small town council experience who is saying all the right things and is adored by people who don’t realize that talk is just that, talk. It’s hilarious that people want to talk records and say they don’t like Hillary’s, so they’re going for Stein. It’s so easy to seem like you have a better record than someone else when your record consists of zero years of stuff to dissect while the other person’s record is 20 years deep.”

      The same could be about Obama vs McCain. we can’t keep saying “X” will never happen. We have to vote for what we want to move politicians in that direction. We talk things into existence.

      • Jason Alston

        Why would you use Obama for the example? He talked, then he didn’t keep some promises. He continued/expanded surveillance domestically. He continued/expanded drone strikes and carpet bombing that is killing civilians overseas. He failed to close Gitmo after saying he would. He didn’t bring the public option. He botched immigration reform. He failed to do an infrastructure overhaul that has been sorely needed for eons. Obama is precisely the reason I say these things about Stein. Obama got elected and then for the first 3 years of his first term, Washington ate him up and bullied him and made him come down on his stances EVEN DURING TIMES WHEN HIS PARTY CONTROLLED BOTH HOUSES OF THE LEGISLATURE.

        Now that we’ve established that, consider the very obvious that happens with the third party president. Obama got stalled even when he had people of his party in bulk in the legislature. So what sense does it make to elect a third party candidate with NO allies in the legislature? Obviously, none. All you’ll see there are both Democrats and Republicans gridlocking the candidate and holding the country at ransom to restore the two party binary to the point where that third party presidency would be the most unsuccessful in history. The worst thing you can do is bring up Obama because what we saw with Obama was a sampling of what you get when someone comes in with a slim record and a lot of talk. The only difference – and it’s a bad one – is that with Obama he was finally emboldened and had people in his party who could help him be emboldened. Stein wouldn’t have that.

        • troubleman

          The policies Stein would propose would appeal to democrat scared of Green party momentum. Besides, I would rather try and fail than safely live on my knees. We owe all the people who died for our right to vote that much.

    • Karine1976

      To me, many Green party voters and non voters like anti-vaxxers. They get to vote their conscious while hoping for the rest of the electorate “votes correctly”. We saw that led to with Brexit.

      • Val

        Or maybe we just expect you, Hillary/ Trump supporters, to clean up your own mess.

  • cyanic

    That Doc Brown line is giving me life. Everything in the general election is about the lesser of two evils. Or voting against the party which openly opposes you. I’ve been with her long before the humanoid wannabe Scrooge McDuck entered the race.

  • miss t-lee

    Yeah Jill Stein sounds a bit…unhinged.

    • She still thinks the science around vaccinations is unsettled and she “has questions.” This woman is a Harvard trained doctor who is spouting such nonsense. She should be nowhere near the White House with her opportunistic self.


      • miss t-lee

        Exactly. The stuff I read about her and vaccinations is where I definitely started to side eye her.

        • King Beauregard

          Jill Stein is the perfect example of someone whose principles have never been put to the test. It’s easy to talk big when you are in charge of nothing and there are no consequences to your opinions — that’s pretty much my entire life on the Internet — but as soon as Jill Stein MD started having to choose between what she knows to be true and pandering to her lunatic fan base, she went straight for the pandering. Some principles she’s got.

    • I knew of her but I honestly didn’t know she was running until I saw Cornerstore Cornell capping for her on Bill Maher’s show. I’ll pass. She seems to be a real life Diane Keaton character.

      • miss t-lee


    • Ess Tee

      Yeah. You spend your time going to med school, doing a residency, going through all that, and your takeaway is that you have questions about vaccinations?

      Keep your azz far, far away. *throws that advice Rand Paul’s way, too*

      • miss t-lee

        Exactly. These “doctors”.

      • Asiyah

        She didn’t have too many questions about vaccinations. She said we should question findings, not that vaccines are bad.

      • Epsilonicus

        My great grandfather told me stories of folks in his small town dying of the flu. The d@mn flu. And he talked about whooping cough. I think we are so spoiled because we haven’t had widespread deaths from many of these diseases

        • Ess Tee

          People really don’t even understand. Or, they do understand, but to want to risk that *everyone else’s* herd immunity will take care of *their* child. However, if enough people stop vaccinating, herd immunity pretty much becomes nonexistent.

    • Val

      In what way?

      • miss t-lee

        In all of the ways.

        • Val

          Lol Okay.

  • DBoySlim

    Third parties HAVE to start at the local levels. They have to build their party up so people can recognize who they are. Whats the point of being on the ballot if you’re not in every state. It’s a waste of time.

    • troubleman

      The Green Party is on the ballot of every state.

      • DBoySlim

        The Green Party is but I once remember voting in Virginia with three presidential candidates while California had five.

    • Digital_Underground

      Not only that. Third party supporters need to do their thing at least two years BEFORE the general election. Waiting until the election year to decide to vote for a 3rd party candidate is like going to Five Guys for lunch but telling everyone behind the counter you’re on a diet. Its irrelevant and pointless.

      • What is we’ve been working out and eating right for years before then? Are we now barred from any fast food restaurant?

      • DBoySlim

        I just had a Green Party guy come to my job. He’s running for State Rep.

        • Digital_Underground

          Does he have a realistic shot? Local offices can be had under the right (by still abnormal) circumstances.

          • DBoySlim

            I’m not sure if he does but the Green Party could make waves in the city. Detroit is a solidly blue city but other parties could make headway. They would act as a second party. Voting R is forbidden round these parts.

    • peteperry

      Green run at the local level across the country. We have a sitting council member in Minneapolis.

  • Cleojonz

    I don’t watch Bill Maher all the time but I did happen to catch that segment with Dr. West and I was SO disappointed in him. He literally sounded like a crazy old man. Alex Wagner was awesome. Despite all of West’s best efforts at speaking over everyone on the panel she got some gems in there.

    It’s time for more than a two party system but the green party has to be willing to put the work in at the ground level first before trying to run a presidential candidate. In CT we have a “Working Families Party.” They have been around for decades and they are JUST getting to the point where some of their local candidates are winning. It takes a long term action plan that the Green party doesn’t seem to be willing to do.

    • I watch Maher’s show most of the time and West came off as a strong ideologue which didn’t bother me as much as how often he talked over Wagner, Maher, and everyone else. It wasn’t his sharpest appearance.

      • toxicopoulus

        Brother West lost me a LONG time ago…well before his fallout over the President’s perceived snubs. His long-winded pontifications have almost always been revealed to be hollow bullshit upon analysis and he seemed to revel in coasting on long-past accolades rather than offering up anything new of substance. The fact is that he has been surpassed by younger “Black Intellectuals” such as Ta-Nehisi Coates and I’m sure that boils his blood. His contemporary musings make me question what I ever found so compelling about his earlier writing; whenever I find out he’s on Maher…it’s a skip for me that week.

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