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5 Thoughts About “The Mean Girls of Morehouse”

1. Last week, one of my homegirls sent me a text suggesting I write something up about HBCU homecoming weekends. According to her, they’re an endless reservoir of hilarity and revelry, a place where “…educated negroes go to get it poppin, eat fish sandwiches, party on the Greek plots, and get pregnant“. When I reminded her I didn’t attend an HBCU and I’ve never actually been to any college homecoming event (This may be a regional thing. I could be wrong, but the whole homecoming thing seems to be a bigger deal with southern colleges and universities in general), she basically stated this is exactly why I should try to attend one and write about it. Although I’m not a complete outsider, my lack of exposure to and experience with HBCU homecoming culture would allow me to see things with fresh eyes without worrying about any contextual baggage clouding my vision.

Anyway, while I probably won’t be doing any HBCU homecoming write-ups any time soon, this same “somewhat, but not really educated” outsider perspective applied when crafting my thoughts about “The Mean Girls of Morehouse”, Aliya S. King’s Vibe magazine piece about “The Plastics”—a group of cross-dressing gay men at Morehouse College. (The title itself is an allusion to Mean Girls, a movie where an elusive clique of girls—The Plastics—socially dominated a high school)

2. Of the myriad feelings this article induced (wonder, shock, hunger, etc), one was much more prominent than the rest: Pity.

I’m far from an expert in human sexuality, but something has to be seriously off with man so uncomfortable with his own skin that he takes female hormones to feel more normal. And while this may be an excessively “heteronormative” way of seeing things, I can’t help but feel bad for men whose sexual and social heteromorphicness will be the butt of jokes, the target of ridicule, and the object of abject disrespect for the rest of their time on Earth.

3. I don’t know if this was intentional, but the numerous references in King’s piece to the food each of the Plastics happened to be eating when she interviewed them (“Nibbling on sushi…“, “…nibble on biscuits…“, “Sipping martinis and eating chicken wings…“) did the impossible task of making them seem even more effeminate than they already were. Actually, I’m certain this was intentional, and I wonder why King felt the need to go there.

I also wonder if there’s any possible way that food eating could be conveyed in a “masculine” manner. It just seems like whenever a man is described eating food, it effeminizes him, and I have no idea why it is. Maybe “Between violent bites of an aged porterhouse and shots of Patron off of the grits and silicone enhanced booty of Cubana Lust“, would work, but that’s about it.

4. “The article, which I haven’t actually taken the time to sit down and read yet, is probably fucked up. We will continue to stand by our values, which apparently include writing scathing letters in response to things that haven’t actually happened yet”—A cliffnotes summary of Morehouse College president Robert M. Franklin’s  letter to Morehouse alums (dated 10/9/10), addressing the “Mean Girls” article (which posted 10/11/10).

Never mind the troubling fact that the president of one of the most storied and prestigious universities in the country publicly and brazenly admitted to not actually reading an article before firing off a reflexive missive to it, I just wonder if President Franklin approaches other areas of his life with the same mindset. Would he file for divorce from his wife today because he heard she’s going to cheat on him in 2016? Does he own a bunch of “Tampa Bay Buccaneers: 2021 Super Bowl Champs” t-shirts and commemorative coffee cups? Has he ever fired a secretary for forgetting to remind him about his own funeral? If there’s anyone reading this with intimate knowledge of Franklin’s day-to-day doings, please let me know.

5. Although I do sympathize with how I imagine a person must feel when told their way (of dress, of behavior, of speaking) is wrong and worthy of reprimand (especially if the “way” isn’t harming anyone), I just can’t side with people who feel the Morehouse community should be much more understanding and accepting of the Plastic’s plight. I actually think it’s rather audacious for a person (or group of people) to suggest an institution with a centuries old way of doing things make concessions for a few exhibiting intentionally abnormal and bizarre behavior¹. And yes, while being gay isn’t abnormal or bizarre by any stretch of the imagination, going so far to appear as a woman that you rock pumps and pop female hormone pills definitely is. A private all-male institution asking men to not act and dress like women isn’t a fight for equal rights, a damning example of the constrictive nature of patriarchy, or an indictment of the black community’s latent homophobia. It’s just a private all-male institution asking men to not act and dress like women.

As Brian “Bri” Alston states in the article “They (Morehouse) don’t know what to do with us.” After reading about the Plastics, I wouldn’t know what the hell to do either.

¹I’m aware of the argument that Morehouse officials don’t enforce the parts of the dress code dealing with saggy pants and hats in class with the same energy as the parts dealing with nontraditional male dress. But, while I understand why people feel this is a double standard, from a logistics stand point it’s much, much easier to notice a 6’4” man with pumps and skinny jeans than a guy whose pants happen to be a couple inches off of his waist. This is less apples and oranges than apples and hand grenades.

—The Champ

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  • datgidigirl

    oooh you gonna get some hate mail….

    As someone who attended a women’s college, I never got why women who wanted to be men would want to go there, so I guess this applies to Morehouse. Why are you at a gentlemen’s college when you don’t want to be a gentleman?

    • http://www.iamyourpeople.com I Am Your People

      Not to be nosy, but did you go to Smith? Just curious because I read an article a while back about them having to modify some of their facilities, since they had an increasing number of students who entered as women but graduated as men. Thought going to an all women’s school was self-defeating

      • datgidigirl

        I went to Wellesley :) but we had similar issues as Smith had…

    • http://www.iamyourpeople.com I Am Your People

      Not to be nosy, but did you go to Smith? Just curious because I read an article a while back about them having to modify some of their facilities, since they had an increasing number of students who entered as women but graduated as men. Thought going to an all women’s school was self-defeating

    • Constance

      “Why are you at a gentleman’s college when you don’t want to be a gentleman?”

      This, to me, is the only question that should be asked or entertained.

      • A Plus

        “Why are you at a gentleman’s college when you don’t want to be a gentleman?”

        mayhaps because they want to be around some good looking gentlemen?? i know i ALMOST went to hampton because when i went for a campus tour i saw the foinest men i’ve ever seen on earth.

      • A Plus

        “Why are you at a gentleman’s college when you don’t want to be a gentleman?”

        mayhaps because they want to be around some good looking gentlemen?? i know i ALMOST went to hampton because when i went for a campus tour i saw the foinest men i’ve ever seen on earth.

      • YaleGent

        I agree with you.

      • YaleGent

        I agree with you.

      • http://emdottie.com EmDottie

        I concur. In that case why show up to that school at all, and then be surprised to be treated the way you are when you put yourself out there in such a way that would be condemned? Not to say you can’t express yourself but go somewhere where you’ll be more accepted than criticized.

    • Constance

      “Why are you at a gentleman’s college when you don’t want to be a gentleman?”

      This, to me, is the only question that should be asked or entertained.

    • Humble_One

      @datgidigirl

      “Why are you at a gentlemen’s college when you don’t want to be a gentleman”

      Same reason why a man would like to go to an all girls school. Lol.
      But seriously, Morehouse is a good school. Why wouldn’t they want to go there if they want a good education?

      • Constance

        The good education argument is weak as there are many other good schools in the country that would be more accommodating to their lifestyle.

        • Boogie Maximus

          yea what she said!

          • killoh

            Well what if they just happen to want to go to the best all black school, as apposed to someplace like NYU where they would be accepted, AND dress the way they do? Who are you to tell them they cant have their cake and eat it too?
            Well I actually dont go to Morehouse so I don’t care, but yeah.

        • Boogie Maximus

          yea what she said!

      • Constance

        The good education argument is weak as there are many other good schools in the country that would be more accommodating to their lifestyle.

      • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

        yeah, that’s not a good reason at all. lol. you go to morehouse for all the pomp and circumstance of morehouse, one of which is becoming a morehouse man, with the emphasis on man.

        what kind of sense does it make to be at a school for men running around calling yourself sister girl.

        • http://twitter.com/s0_flyy So Flyy

          what kind of sense does it make to be at a school for men running around calling yourself sister girl.

          & w/ this statement iDie.

        • http://twitter.com/s0_flyy So Flyy

          what kind of sense does it make to be at a school for men running around calling yourself sister girl.

          & w/ this statement iDie.

        • Yeah…So

          too funny

          • Steeler Steve

            I think this gets at the core issue. Morehouse is an institution dedicated to creating productive young men in the classic sense. I’m sure the school and alums feel like this is an assault on the central purpose of the school.

          • Steeler Steve

            I think this gets at the core issue. Morehouse is an institution dedicated to creating productive young men in the classic sense. I’m sure the school and alums feel like this is an assault on the central purpose of the school.

        • Yeah…So

          too funny

      • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

        yeah, that’s not a good reason at all. lol. you go to morehouse for all the pomp and circumstance of morehouse, one of which is becoming a morehouse man, with the emphasis on man.

        what kind of sense does it make to be at a school for men running around calling yourself sister girl.

    • Humble_One

      @datgidigirl

      “Why are you at a gentlemen’s college when you don’t want to be a gentleman”

      Same reason why a man would like to go to an all girls school. Lol.
      But seriously, Morehouse is a good school. Why wouldn’t they want to go there if they want a good education?

    • dudette

      Good question. I was wondering why they didn’t just apply to Spellman. I understand that they are transgendered (if you’re taking female hormones you’ve got to be trans), so it would make sense that they just apply to a women’s college. I think that women in general would be more sensitive towards these “women in transition” but I guess they don’t care about that. It seems that they are just looking for attention.

      • Dee

        . I was wondering why they didn’t just apply to Spellman. I understand that they are transgendered (if you’re taking female hormones you’ve got to be trans), so it would make sense that they just apply to a women’s college.

        A woman’s college might be more accommodating, I just don’t think Spellman would.

        • http://untweetable.blogspot.com M. Ehuma A. Daniels

          it’s Spelman. one L. thank you! =)

          proud Spelmanite class of 2012.

          & i love Morehouse College. Vibe was wrong for that article. Even though the treatment of the boys were wrong, they shouldn’t have painted the entire school to be warzone of sorts.

          • Dee

            Darn spell check!

          • Dee

            Darn spell check!

        • http://untweetable.blogspot.com M. Ehuma A. Daniels

          it’s Spelman. one L. thank you! =)

          proud Spelmanite class of 2012.

          & i love Morehouse College. Vibe was wrong for that article. Even though the treatment of the boys were wrong, they shouldn’t have painted the entire school to be warzone of sorts.

      • Dee

        . I was wondering why they didn’t just apply to Spellman. I understand that they are transgendered (if you’re taking female hormones you’ve got to be trans), so it would make sense that they just apply to a women’s college.

        A woman’s college might be more accommodating, I just don’t think Spellman would.

      • Todd

        Word! I was thinking the same thing. In all seriousness, couldn’t they just give these ladies a free transfer to Spelman once they transition and call it a day? I believe in freedom to be you and me, but if you’re transgendered, why the heck are you going to a college full of cisgendered men? The logic behind that is mind-boggling.

    • dudette

      Good question. I was wondering why they didn’t just apply to Spellman. I understand that they are transgendered (if you’re taking female hormones you’ve got to be trans), so it would make sense that they just apply to a women’s college. I think that women in general would be more sensitive towards these “women in transition” but I guess they don’t care about that. It seems that they are just looking for attention.

    • http://twitter.com/SmartFoxGirl SmartFoxGirl

      If you like men, where else to be but a place filled with men, right? That’s my answer. Do people think the men laced in drag are the only gays at morehouse? lol I think it’s obvious why they are there. Shoot, I want to join Morehouse too pumps and all.

      • datgidigirl

        But we don’t allow men to come to women’s colleges even if they would like to go, just because you want to go doesn’t mean you have to be allowed to go.
        just saying

    • http://twitter.com/SmartFoxGirl SmartFoxGirl

      If you like men, where else to be but a place filled with men, right? That’s my answer. Do people think the men laced in drag are the only gays at morehouse? lol I think it’s obvious why they are there. Shoot, I want to join Morehouse too pumps and all.

    • Hawaii

      “Why are you at a gentlemen’s college when you don’t want to be a gentleman?”

      …and it was written.
      Love it!

    • DB

      Isn’t being a gentleman more of a reflection of your character and the way you act towards others than how you dress??

    • http://facebook.com/godissalvation Joshua Alexander

      I agree with the statement about being at a gentlemen’s college and dressing like a female. Why do that it’s contrary to what you are representing.
      Futhermore anybody attending any school (especially a historical black college) should understand what the school represents for them & the future.
      We as black ppl complain about alot but when opportunities arise we show at times how unprepared and willfully ignorant we can be. I am not saying we are not going to make mistakes Lord knows I have made plenty but honestly we should be more aware of our actions and if/when we do make wrong choices to not run away from the issue but own up to it.
      This is for everybody who is somebody “we” cannot be perfect but somethings can be done correctly the 1st time. I support everybody who wants more out of life than what they see. To help others, instead of judge as if you your closet don’t have skeleton’s, lead by example be the man/woman you were created to be and hope someone sees your sincerity and strives to become better in life.

  • datgidigirl

    oooh you gonna get some hate mail….

    As someone who attended a women’s college, I never got why women who wanted to be men would want to go there, so I guess this applies to Morehouse. Why are you at a gentlemen’s college when you don’t want to be a gentleman?

  • Helagramki

    LOL @ Image Not Viewable Worksafe Mode ‘On’ for the Cubana Lust pics.

  • Helagramki

    LOL @ Image Not Viewable Worksafe Mode ‘On’ for the Cubana Lust pics.

  • En

    SECOND!!!

  • En

    SECOND!!!

  • http://theothersideofphlyy.blogspot.com PhlyyGirl

    I agree with #5 the most of all.

    I don’t believe that being gay or transgender is wrong. But I do believe that trying to force your lifestyles and beliefs on anyone is wrong and that’s what the plastics seem to be doing.
    If you want to live life as a woman, fine. But why not choose to attend another university in the AUC? or any of the other 50-11 HBCU’s in the country?
    I don’t think that Morehouse should change their code for this group and if I was in administration at morehouse, I wouldn’t know what to do with them either.

    *The second morehouse is lowercase because I went to Howard, which is really the only HBCU that deserves to be Capitalized all the time!

    • MoreAndAgain

      But, that’s the thing, Morehouse DID change their policy for the Plastics. The policy they are now enforcing is new, and designed to target those people specifically. I could see if the Plastics enrolled in Morehouse knowing what the dress code was going to be, but they didn’t.

      • http://testorshia.blogspot.com Tes

        It was changed almost two years ago, at which point I’m sure Morehouse didn’t feel they needed to tell the men explicitly how to dress, but apparently they now do.

        Even if these men were unaware, day one looking around at all the other men in slacks and well-fitting jeans while they are in skirts and leggings would have been the tip off that maybe they were deviating from the expected norm.

        • MoreAndAgain

          It was changed a year and a half ago, at which point several of The Plastics were already attending the school. And, I’m pretty sure being transsexual they were used to not dressing the way everyone else was dressed. Why would they change just because the other students weren’t transsexual as well?

          • MoreAndAgain

            Correction, it was changed October of last year.

          • MoreAndAgain

            Correction, it was changed October of last year.

          • http://testorshia.blogspot.com Tes

            My question to you is why wouldn’t they? Morehouse is an esteemed establishment with a reputation for excellence and nothing less. It’s a school built on tradition. Why would these men go to a school where they know their lifestyles wouldn’t be accepted? And when has it become the American way to bend to every whim a student may have instead of teaching them?

            They want to dress like women that is fine. There are liberal schools all across America who allow and sometimes even encourage those types of things. But Morehouse is not a liberal school, and they knew that before they even enrolled.

            As for not dressing how everyone else was dressing, the young man pictured above stated that when he goes home he takes off his make-up, his weave and dresses how his father wants him to dress. Why would he expect less from Morehouse than he does his own father, especially when his father wanted him to go there in the first place?

            I’m not saying these men can’t be who they are. I’m saying they have to play by the rules first, and then buck the system especially if they wish to be esteemed Morehouse men.

            • UrbanDismay

              I agree with every word of this. Well said.

            • UrbanDismay

              I agree with every word of this. Well said.

            • Tonya

              Why would he expect less from Morehouse than he does his own father, especially when his father wanted him to go there in the first place?

              The part of your question: “when his father wanted him to go there in the first place”..

              All of these questions asking about why they would go to Morehouse had me, not knowing anything other than what I have read in this thread (Pres. Franklin), wondering what outside pressures influenced their decision to attend.

              Maybe dad was like: “You’re GOING to Morehouse..or else you are on your own”.. type ish. Finances being what they are maybe he felt he had no choice.

              Also being LGBT in this country is hard, no matter where you choose to live. The pressure and discrimination makes one act in a way that is hard to explain. Why do men on the DL get married and potentially put an innocent female’s life at risk?

              Because of HORRIBLE people like that student at Rutgers who videotaped his roommate make LGBT’s feel that living a ‘normal’ life is the only way to cope. So they do what is ‘expected’ of them.

              Yet these trans felt a sense of ‘comfort’ in their identity upon arrival at Morehouse to the extent they felt they can put their heels on and be proud?

              I need to read the article. I need to understand how the students are reacting to their peers dressing as women. Do the students accept them and the battle is just with administration and the outside public?

              • http://testorshia.blogspot.com Tes

                @ Tonya
                I understand that he may have been pressured by his father, moreover that he felt he may have had something to prove. However, in knowing what his father expected of him it’s safe to assume he’d know the school his father wanted him to go to would expect the same thing of him if not more.

            • Tonya

              Why would he expect less from Morehouse than he does his own father, especially when his father wanted him to go there in the first place?

              The part of your question: “when his father wanted him to go there in the first place”..

              All of these questions asking about why they would go to Morehouse had me, not knowing anything other than what I have read in this thread (Pres. Franklin), wondering what outside pressures influenced their decision to attend.

              Maybe dad was like: “You’re GOING to Morehouse..or else you are on your own”.. type ish. Finances being what they are maybe he felt he had no choice.

              Also being LGBT in this country is hard, no matter where you choose to live. The pressure and discrimination makes one act in a way that is hard to explain. Why do men on the DL get married and potentially put an innocent female’s life at risk?

              Because of HORRIBLE people like that student at Rutgers who videotaped his roommate make LGBT’s feel that living a ‘normal’ life is the only way to cope. So they do what is ‘expected’ of them.

              Yet these trans felt a sense of ‘comfort’ in their identity upon arrival at Morehouse to the extent they felt they can put their heels on and be proud?

              I need to read the article. I need to understand how the students are reacting to their peers dressing as women. Do the students accept them and the battle is just with administration and the outside public?

            • DB

              The thing that is killing me is that shouldn’t being a “Morehouse” man be more about character than about dress. And if they are concerned with excellence…what does that have to do with how they dress? If these students pay their tuition, study hard and get good grades, are civically engaged and involved in the African American community….how is that not excellence…because they like to wear heels?? Who cares…people need to get over the way someone looks and get to know a person…you can great or trifilin in a suit or in a dress. Let people be who they are and start looking at who a person is instead of what they look like.

          • http://testorshia.blogspot.com Tes

            My question to you is why wouldn’t they? Morehouse is an esteemed establishment with a reputation for excellence and nothing less. It’s a school built on tradition. Why would these men go to a school where they know their lifestyles wouldn’t be accepted? And when has it become the American way to bend to every whim a student may have instead of teaching them?

            They want to dress like women that is fine. There are liberal schools all across America who allow and sometimes even encourage those types of things. But Morehouse is not a liberal school, and they knew that before they even enrolled.

            As for not dressing how everyone else was dressing, the young man pictured above stated that when he goes home he takes off his make-up, his weave and dresses how his father wants him to dress. Why would he expect less from Morehouse than he does his own father, especially when his father wanted him to go there in the first place?

            I’m not saying these men can’t be who they are. I’m saying they have to play by the rules first, and then buck the system especially if they wish to be esteemed Morehouse men.

        • MoreAndAgain

          It was changed a year and a half ago, at which point several of The Plastics were already attending the school. And, I’m pretty sure being transsexual they were used to not dressing the way everyone else was dressed. Why would they change just because the other students weren’t transsexual as well?

      • http://testorshia.blogspot.com Tes

        It was changed almost two years ago, at which point I’m sure Morehouse didn’t feel they needed to tell the men explicitly how to dress, but apparently they now do.

        Even if these men were unaware, day one looking around at all the other men in slacks and well-fitting jeans while they are in skirts and leggings would have been the tip off that maybe they were deviating from the expected norm.

      • http://theothersideofphlyy.blogspot.com PhlyyGirl

        It wasn’t specifically just for them. They made the dress policy around the time that Atlanta was going through the whole “no sagging” LAW.
        And why wouldn’t they know what the dress code would be at an institution of higher learning?
        There are certain standards of dress everywhere you go. I don’t wear a 3 piece suit to the gym, nor do I wear yoga pants to an office meeting. That doesn’t mean I can’t express myself, I just have to find ways to do it inside of the boundaries within which I am operating at any given time.

        • MoreAndAgain

          Actually, the dress part of the policy was directed specifically at The Plastics according to Dr. William Bynum, who said “We are talking about five students who are living a gay lifestyle that is leading them to dress a way we do not expect in Morehouse men”.
          http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/10/17/college.dress.code/index.html

          It’s right there.

          “And why wouldn’t they know what the dress code would be at an institution of higher learning?

          They wouldn’t know the dress code because the dress code was not put in place until after they had already enrolled at the school. Also, Morehouse’s NEW dress code is not common, so I wouldn’t expect them to think wearing certain clothes is inappropriate for school when (as someone pointed out) there are many schools in which students show up to class in their pajamas.

          You can’t know about something that didn’t exist before you arrived.

          • CJ

            Sweetie I’m gonna need you to read that article again. Dr. Franklin was responding to the complaints about that part of the dress code. That whole article was yet another attempt to draw attention to these students issue with the dress code.

            CNN only covered it because Morehouse is maybe a mile or two from their headquarters.

            I can respect these students desire to be themselves. But I went to FAMU not Spellman partly because I knew that at a public university I would have much more freedom to be myself than I would at a private “all but Baptist” college.

            • MordAndAgain

              Actually, “sweety”, I did read the article correctly. Stating that the entire article focused on the dress code doesn’t negate anything I previously wrote. And, just so I’m clear:

              “The dress-wearing ban is aimed at a small part of the private college’s 27,000-member student body . . . ”

              Those were the words of Dr. Bynum in the same article. I didn’t just make stuff up and throw quotation marks on it. That it was said in response to complaints doesn’t make it any less true.

              • http://thatswhatgemsaid.wordpress.com Gem of the Ocean

                but u did make up the 27000 part. thatd be 2700

              • http://thatswhatgemsaid.wordpress.com Gem of the Ocean

                but u did make up the 27000 part. thatd be 2700

              • MoreAndAgain

                Actually, the 27,000 was a mistake, I’m using my mobile phone to comment, since I’m in transit.

              • MoreAndAgain

                Actually, the 27,000 was a mistake, I’m using my mobile phone to comment, since I’m in transit.

            • MordAndAgain

              Actually, “sweety”, I did read the article correctly. Stating that the entire article focused on the dress code doesn’t negate anything I previously wrote. And, just so I’m clear:

              “The dress-wearing ban is aimed at a small part of the private college’s 27,000-member student body . . . ”

              Those were the words of Dr. Bynum in the same article. I didn’t just make stuff up and throw quotation marks on it. That it was said in response to complaints doesn’t make it any less true.

          • CJ

            Sweetie I’m gonna need you to read that article again. Dr. Franklin was responding to the complaints about that part of the dress code. That whole article was yet another attempt to draw attention to these students issue with the dress code.

            CNN only covered it because Morehouse is maybe a mile or two from their headquarters.

            I can respect these students desire to be themselves. But I went to FAMU not Spellman partly because I knew that at a public university I would have much more freedom to be myself than I would at a private “all but Baptist” college.

          • JessicaL

            I’m going to have to disagree with you more. We talked about Inez Sainz dressing inappropriately for a locker room interview, there should be no double standards. You should dress for the occasion. I have no problem with anyone expressing themselves as everyone has the right to. I’m pretty sure you knew how to dress when you went to school. These men are not stupid.

            • MoreAndAgain

              Actually, I didn’t read (nor commen)t on the Ines Sainz post, so I’m going to continue not to comment at this point.

              If there were a uniform “acceptable” college dress code, I’d be inclined to agree with you. But, what’s acceptable for one school is not acceptable at another. If I wanted I could show to class in pajamas at my PWI, clearly that wouldn’t fly at Morehouse.

              • JessicaL

                Ok so you didn’t read the Sainz post. My point is that even though you may feel you can dress and do as you please there is a time and a place for it. I’m more than sure these individuals have dealt with this their entire lives or at least as long as they have been transgendered. They know what to expect and painting them in ignorance does not help their plight. My very own cousin is transgendered and he takes the hormone pills and everything, not to mention wanting the surgery. He knows that not everyone is going to accept his lifestyle but he finds time to be himself on his own time. Not once has he dressed in drag while going to school and he goes to community college because he’s not there to draw attention to himself but to learn.

              • JessicaL

                Ok so you didn’t read the Sainz post. My point is that even though you may feel you can dress and do as you please there is a time and a place for it. I’m more than sure these individuals have dealt with this their entire lives or at least as long as they have been transgendered. They know what to expect and painting them in ignorance does not help their plight. My very own cousin is transgendered and he takes the hormone pills and everything, not to mention wanting the surgery. He knows that not everyone is going to accept his lifestyle but he finds time to be himself on his own time. Not once has he dressed in drag while going to school and he goes to community college because he’s not there to draw attention to himself but to learn.

              • http://twitter.com/SmartFoxGirl SmartFoxGirl

                Ask her if she’d go to church in pj’s or to her job or to an interview or to a restaurant…go on ask her Jess. Are we naive or are we experienced? Hmmmm. Cosign your point.

              • http://twitter.com/SmartFoxGirl SmartFoxGirl

                Ask her if she’d go to church in pj’s or to her job or to an interview or to a restaurant…go on ask her Jess. Are we naive or are we experienced? Hmmmm. Cosign your point.

              • JessicaL

                @SFG lol, If we as ladies are expected to know how to dress why aren’t the gays and transgendered?

              • JessicaL

                @SFG lol, If we as ladies are expected to know how to dress why aren’t the gays and transgendered?

              • MoreAndAgain

                @SmartFoxGirl

                If you want to ask me whether or not I know how to dress, instead of debating the points and proving me wrong, well . . .

              • MoreAndAgain

                @SmartFoxGirl

                If you want to ask me whether or not I know how to dress, instead of debating the points and proving me wrong, well . . .

              • MoreAndAgain

                I’m not saying that they were unaware of the social norms at Moerhouse, I’m talking about school policy. Clearly, they didn’t give a damn about what was social deemed acceptable by their peers, but the school itself taking a stance and making it a part of the dress code (and enforcing it) after the fact, is my point of contention.

              • MoreAndAgain

                I’m not saying that they were unaware of the social norms at Moerhouse, I’m talking about school policy. Clearly, they didn’t give a damn about what was social deemed acceptable by their peers, but the school itself taking a stance and making it a part of the dress code (and enforcing it) after the fact, is my point of contention.

              • Mo-VSS

                MoreAndAgain….

                The point of the topic is the dress code and how it pertains to everyday life and situations. If you are offended by SFG asking if you’d wear PJ’s to church or a bathing suit to dinner, then I’d suggest you recognize the ridiculousness of such attire. Thus, you’d understand why folks are baffled at what the big deal is over Morehouse enacting a policy that designates how their students are to dress in appropriate situations.

              • Mo-VSS

                MoreAndAgain….

                The point of the topic is the dress code and how it pertains to everyday life and situations. If you are offended by SFG asking if you’d wear PJ’s to church or a bathing suit to dinner, then I’d suggest you recognize the ridiculousness of such attire. Thus, you’d understand why folks are baffled at what the big deal is over Morehouse enacting a policy that designates how their students are to dress in appropriate situations.

              • http://twitter.com/SmartFoxGirl SmartFoxGirl

                Thanks Mo. I used sarcasm as a way of showing her an alternate view of her own.

              • http://twitter.com/SmartFoxGirl SmartFoxGirl

                Thanks Mo. I used sarcasm as a way of showing her an alternate view of her own.

              • TheBlackForrest

                What must be understood is that:
                1. Morehouse has had a dress code since its inception. For example, during Benjamin Mays’ tenure as president of the college it was required for students to wear shirt and tie to class. That has since been relaxed.
                2. A school can change its policies as required to fit circumstances. The policy is not meant to target the transgendered students, and the components pertaining to other unacceptable forms of dress (sagging pants, “grills”, caps worn indoors, etc.) are enforced as well. The issue with the “plastics” is that they do not adhere to the policy, and thus BECOME a more focused target.
                3. Morehouse is an all male college, with major pillars of the institution’s purpose centering around the cultivation of MEN. The definition of this manhood is not so exclusionary as to deny gays the title, however, the point at which you cross into desiring to be a woman (i.e. taking female hormones, seeking surgery), you no longer fit into the mold of the manhood Morehouse seeks to produce.
                4. With that said, there is no problem with being transgendered in general. But telling an institution that has a long history and tradition that WORKS (and is actually being studied and implemented at other HBCUs and PWIs) in producing capable, qualified, and successful Black MEN is nothing short of reprehensible, being that they do not wish for the ultimate goal of being a Morehouse Man.

                I do not believe that these outside perspectives have adequate context with which to make fully informed comments, and without spending time in the AUC community all commentary is based on cursory knowledge at best.

                As a recent graduate of Morehouse College, I urge you not to take the Vibe article as gospel, and understand how sensationalized this issue has become.

                Lastly, President Franklin’s letter was not scathing; it was a preemptive response to an article that, in all likelihood, would bring more negative and skewed press that we have had to deal with before. Granted, writing the letter before hand may not have been the most prudent action, but it was addressed to alumni, such as myself, who know and understand the community, its history, the context of the issue, and his person and tone. Again, from an outside perspective, realize you cannot know the full story.

                Thank You.

            • MoreAndAgain

              Actually, I didn’t read (nor commen)t on the Ines Sainz post, so I’m going to continue not to comment at this point.

              If there were a uniform “acceptable” college dress code, I’d be inclined to agree with you. But, what’s acceptable for one school is not acceptable at another. If I wanted I could show to class in pajamas at my PWI, clearly that wouldn’t fly at Morehouse.

            • JessicaL

              I mean I hope no one takes this the wrong way because I’m not trying to be rude I just don’t think this is something that anyone should have to be told. Everyone should know how to dress for certain occasions and if you don’t be prepared for backlash, penalization, or ostracism.

              • theillestone

                i completely agree. i have to go back to the point that Morehouse is a gentleman’s school. if you feel you’re living in the wrong gendered body, why are you going to a school that’s only for that gender? how can they relate? how do they relate?

            • JessicaL

              I mean I hope no one takes this the wrong way because I’m not trying to be rude I just don’t think this is something that anyone should have to be told. Everyone should know how to dress for certain occasions and if you don’t be prepared for backlash, penalization, or ostracism.

          • JessicaL

            I’m going to have to disagree with you more. We talked about Inez Sainz dressing inappropriately for a locker room interview, there should be no double standards. You should dress for the occasion. I have no problem with anyone expressing themselves as everyone has the right to. I’m pretty sure you knew how to dress when you went to school. These men are not stupid.

        • MoreAndAgain

          Actually, the dress part of the policy was directed specifically at The Plastics according to Dr. William Bynum, who said “We are talking about five students who are living a gay lifestyle that is leading them to dress a way we do not expect in Morehouse men”.
          http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/10/17/college.dress.code/index.html

          It’s right there.

          “And why wouldn’t they know what the dress code would be at an institution of higher learning?

          They wouldn’t know the dress code because the dress code was not put in place until after they had already enrolled at the school. Also, Morehouse’s NEW dress code is not common, so I wouldn’t expect them to think wearing certain clothes is inappropriate for school when (as someone pointed out) there are many schools in which students show up to class in their pajamas.

          You can’t know about something that didn’t exist before you arrived.

      • http://theothersideofphlyy.blogspot.com PhlyyGirl

        It wasn’t specifically just for them. They made the dress policy around the time that Atlanta was going through the whole “no sagging” LAW.
        And why wouldn’t they know what the dress code would be at an institution of higher learning?
        There are certain standards of dress everywhere you go. I don’t wear a 3 piece suit to the gym, nor do I wear yoga pants to an office meeting. That doesn’t mean I can’t express myself, I just have to find ways to do it inside of the boundaries within which I am operating at any given time.

      • Jhane Sez

        “But, that’s the thing, Morehouse DID change their policy for the Plastics. The policy they are now enforcing is new, and designed to target those people specifically. I could see if the Plastics enrolled in Morehouse knowing what the dress code was going to be, but they didn’t.”

        So an invitation to the opera needs to come with instructions not to wear booty shorts and flip flops… or stand up in your seat and yell “you betta werk diva” at the close of an aria…

        Cause what I am hearing is that unless we are explicated told we ain’t gonna know how to act…

        So we need sock puppets so we know how to behave, to know what is appropriate, to know what is expected of us.

        Isn’t that the perception black folks been trying to fight for a millennium

        Anyone who has ever met anyone who has even heard of Morehouse KNOWS that it is a conservative bougie azz school…

        You are supposed to go there to get your grown man on, REGARDLESS of your sexuality. Farnsworth Bentley.

        The whole look of The Plastics actually stems from the Gay Ballroom scene as a off shoot of Vouge Fem. The look and lifestyle are all about luxury and fabulousness… being famous, hot rich boys, designer: shoes, bags, make-up, clothes, cars… high end exclusivity.

        So why Morehouse…

        Because if they went to an art, design, fashion school or any of the colleges know for gay acceptance we would have no idea of who they are, we wouldn’t be talking about them, they wouldn’t be special… they would be like everyone else.

        And that makes me a little sad, because you have all these folks all over the blogspere debating, fighting for their rights or the validity of Morehouse to introduce a dress code…

        When I suspect all they wanted is their 15 minutes ~JS

        • http://alovelydai.blogspot.com Alovelydai

          *throw confetti on this whole statement*

          • http://twitter.com/s0_flyy So Flyy

            This appropriately sums up my feelings.

            *e-confetti* for everyone!!

            • http://www.iamyourpeople.com I Am Your People

              You are supposed to go there to get your grown man on, REGARDLESS of your sexuality. Farnsworth Bentley.

              5000% cosign! I went to an HBCU with plenty of gay men. Were they effeminate and out-n-proud? Yes. Did they wear women’s clothing? No.

          • http://twitter.com/s0_flyy So Flyy

            This appropriately sums up my feelings.

            *e-confetti* for everyone!!

        • http://alovelydai.blogspot.com Alovelydai

          *throw confetti on this whole statement*

        • http://thatswhatgemsaid.wordpress.com Gem of the Ocean

          Anyone who has ever met anyone who has even heard of Morehouse KNOWS that it is a conservative bougie azz school…

          as a Spelman alum, i approve/co-sign/give testament to this message!

          Because if they went to an art, design, fashion school or any of the colleges know for gay acceptance we would have no idea of who they are, we wouldn’t be talking about them, they wouldn’t be special… they would be like everyone else.

          say it ONE MO GIN for the cheap seats!!!!!

        • http://thatswhatgemsaid.wordpress.com Gem of the Ocean

          Anyone who has ever met anyone who has even heard of Morehouse KNOWS that it is a conservative bougie azz school…

          as a Spelman alum, i approve/co-sign/give testament to this message!

          Because if they went to an art, design, fashion school or any of the colleges know for gay acceptance we would have no idea of who they are, we wouldn’t be talking about them, they wouldn’t be special… they would be like everyone else.

          say it ONE MO GIN for the cheap seats!!!!!

        • http://testorshia.blogspot.com Tes

          *blows trumpet at this comment*

        • http://testorshia.blogspot.com Tes

          *blows trumpet at this comment*

        • http://twitter.com/SmartFoxGirl SmartFoxGirl

          THIS:”Anyone who has ever met anyone who has even heard of Morehouse KNOWS that it is a conservative bougie azz school… “…is exactly why I as a Black christian wouldn’t attend an Islamic university in nun’s clothing. These Plastics knew and were trying to make a statement.

          And THIS:
          “And that makes me a little sad, because you have all these folks all over the blogspere debating, fighting for their rights or the validity of Morehouse to introduce a dress code…

          When I suspect all they wanted is their 15 minutes ~JS”
          …I think sums up this entire post. Cosign.

        • http://twitter.com/SmartFoxGirl SmartFoxGirl

          THIS:”Anyone who has ever met anyone who has even heard of Morehouse KNOWS that it is a conservative bougie azz school… “…is exactly why I as a Black christian wouldn’t attend an Islamic university in nun’s clothing. These Plastics knew and were trying to make a statement.

          And THIS:
          “And that makes me a little sad, because you have all these folks all over the blogspere debating, fighting for their rights or the validity of Morehouse to introduce a dress code…

          When I suspect all they wanted is their 15 minutes ~JS”
          …I think sums up this entire post. Cosign.

        • AfroRina

          *Standing and applauding*

        • AfroRina

          *Standing and applauding*

        • Mr SoBo

          @Jhane Sez

          This. Right Here. Is My. Favorite Comment.

          Cosignage squared over pi divided by pythagorean therum. Got dang your comment is beautiful. I think I will print it and put it on my cubicle wall.

        • Mr SoBo

          @Jhane Sez

          This. Right Here. Is My. Favorite Comment.

          Cosignage squared over pi divided by pythagorean therum. Got dang your comment is beautiful. I think I will print it and put it on my cubicle wall.

        • http://www.pinchmycheekie.wordpress.com Cheekie

          “When I suspect all they wanted is their 15 minutes”

          So, you’re saying they don’t normally dress like this and only did it for the fame? Because while I’m inclined to believe they like attention, I do actually believe the way they dress is legit for them and they’d like to continue to dress that way.

          • http://nianaturally.blogspot.com N.I.A. naturally

            For me, I find it very hard to believe they walked onto the Morehouse campus during freshman orientation week wearing women’s clothing. Though, I could be wrong…

          • http://nianaturally.blogspot.com N.I.A. naturally

            For me, I find it very hard to believe they walked onto the Morehouse campus during freshman orientation week wearing women’s clothing. Though, I could be wrong…

          • Yeah…So

            I agree it’s probably not about fame per se, but it’s definitely about trying to set some type of precedent (which can equate to fame all in itself)… you know, they trying to be the first, “trendsetters” if you will. They get a SATDOWN from me though. Like someone (Panama, I think) said upthread… Morehouse is a gentlemen’s institution (straight, gay or other)… so why go up in there acting all sister girl and isht?

          • Yeah…So

            I agree it’s probably not about fame per se, but it’s definitely about trying to set some type of precedent (which can equate to fame all in itself)… you know, they trying to be the first, “trendsetters” if you will. They get a SATDOWN from me though. Like someone (Panama, I think) said upthread… Morehouse is a gentlemen’s institution (straight, gay or other)… so why go up in there acting all sister girl and isht?

          • Jhane Sez

            “So, you’re saying they don’t normally dress like this and only did it for the fame? Because while I’m inclined to believe they like attention, I do actually believe the way they dress is legit for them and they’d like to continue to dress that way.”

            No… I think that they went to Morehouse because being fabulous there is more attention grabbing than doing them in a more expressive non-traditional environment.

            I mentioned down thread that the thing that troubled me most was Phillip who went to Morehouse to gain his religious homophobic father’s approval.

            He said that he can’t dress like that at home… so why is he dressing like that AND taking hormones at Morehouse

            His story is that he dressed like a boy one day and got called ‘fag.ot’ and the next he was in full weave rocking a Marc Jacobs tote and some fierce heels.

            Why didn’t he leave… and where did he get the gear if his intention was to do the male thing for real.

            A better question… if this story about his father is true and he wanted to win daddy’s approval, why take it national if you aren’t after your 15 minutes.

            Part of the lifestyle (of this sub set) is to give the b*tches fever… to shine… to be a star.

            And in this age of media savvy you don’t think that it might have crossed their minds that if they did them it would draw mad attention and spark at least one juicy incident… and then they are the next B.Scott.

            Bet Phillip’s daddy would love that huh ~JS

            • Mo-VSS

              Agreed!

            • Mo-VSS

              Agreed!

            • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

              “No… I think that they went to Morehouse because being fabulous there is more attention grabbing than doing them in a more expressive non-traditional environment.”

              ***nodding head***

            • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

              “No… I think that they went to Morehouse because being fabulous there is more attention grabbing than doing them in a more expressive non-traditional environment.”

              ***nodding head***

            • http://www.pinchmycheekie.wordpress.com Cheekie

              “No… I think that they went to Morehouse because being fabulous there is more attention grabbing than doing them in a more expressive non-traditional environment.”

              That could be it. What if it were their dream school, though? I mean, either is possible. Sure, there are other schools to go to, but tell that to a Notre Dame fan.

              Like I said below, if their image is to uphold that of a man, can Morehouse also ban them for taking gender-bending hormones? I mean, how about we go further than how they dress? Even if they wore men’s clothing, they’re altering their body SEXUALLY. Can the institution also exclude them for this as well? I’m asking sincerely, here…

            • http://www.pinchmycheekie.wordpress.com Cheekie

              “No… I think that they went to Morehouse because being fabulous there is more attention grabbing than doing them in a more expressive non-traditional environment.”

              That could be it. What if it were their dream school, though? I mean, either is possible. Sure, there are other schools to go to, but tell that to a Notre Dame fan.

              Like I said below, if their image is to uphold that of a man, can Morehouse also ban them for taking gender-bending hormones? I mean, how about we go further than how they dress? Even if they wore men’s clothing, they’re altering their body SEXUALLY. Can the institution also exclude them for this as well? I’m asking sincerely, here…

          • Jhane Sez

            “So, you’re saying they don’t normally dress like this and only did it for the fame? Because while I’m inclined to believe they like attention, I do actually believe the way they dress is legit for them and they’d like to continue to dress that way.”

            No… I think that they went to Morehouse because being fabulous there is more attention grabbing than doing them in a more expressive non-traditional environment.

            I mentioned down thread that the thing that troubled me most was Phillip who went to Morehouse to gain his religious homophobic father’s approval.

            He said that he can’t dress like that at home… so why is he dressing like that AND taking hormones at Morehouse

            His story is that he dressed like a boy one day and got called ‘fag.ot’ and the next he was in full weave rocking a Marc Jacobs tote and some fierce heels.

            Why didn’t he leave… and where did he get the gear if his intention was to do the male thing for real.

            A better question… if this story about his father is true and he wanted to win daddy’s approval, why take it national if you aren’t after your 15 minutes.

            Part of the lifestyle (of this sub set) is to give the b*tches fever… to shine… to be a star.

            And in this age of media savvy you don’t think that it might have crossed their minds that if they did them it would draw mad attention and spark at least one juicy incident… and then they are the next B.Scott.

            Bet Phillip’s daddy would love that huh ~JS

        • http://www.pinchmycheekie.wordpress.com Cheekie

          “When I suspect all they wanted is their 15 minutes”

          So, you’re saying they don’t normally dress like this and only did it for the fame? Because while I’m inclined to believe they like attention, I do actually believe the way they dress is legit for them and they’d like to continue to dress that way.

        • Boogie Maximus

          well it def worked! they got their 15mins, now it’s time for them to stop being media whores, we heard their story we get it, time to move on, you can’t make a school for men encourage boys to to dress like women, it’s a oxymoron! theres nothing to accept pick another school ain’t Clark Atlanta down the street -___-

        • Boogie Maximus

          well it def worked! they got their 15mins, now it’s time for them to stop being media whores, we heard their story we get it, time to move on, you can’t make a school for men encourage boys to to dress like women, it’s a oxymoron! theres nothing to accept pick another school ain’t Clark Atlanta down the street -___-

        • MoreAndAgain

          @Jhane Sez

          “So an invitation to the opera needs to come with instructions not to wear booty shorts and flip flops… or stand up in your seat and yell “you betta werk diva” at the close of an aria…

          Cause what I am hearing is that unless we are explicated told we ain’t gonna know how to act…”

          This analogy doesn’t really work because there is no college-wide dress code. On some campuses it’s perfectly normal to roll out of bed and show up to class in your pajamas, and at others that’s not ok. Again, I ask, if this is the way these men have BEEN dressing, and there was no mention of a formal dress code before they enrolled, why should they not be themselves? I’m not talking about the social norms at the campus, I’m talking about the school’s actual policy. Why should they be concerned when they weren’t breaking rules?

          “So we need sock puppets so we know how to behave, to know what is appropriate, to know what is expected of us.

          Isn’t that the perception black folks been trying to fight for a millennium”

          Don’t ask me that question, I’m not the one in favor of such a strict dress code on a college campus in the first place. When I asked earlier why a college took the time to tell adults how to look from head to toe, I was told “not everyone gets that home training”. So, which is it? Does Morehouse need to tell their men exactly how to look, or don’t they?

          “Anyone who has ever met anyone who has even heard of Morehouse KNOWS that it is a conservative bougie azz school…You are supposed to go there to get your grown man on, REGARDLESS of your sexuality. Farnsworth Bentley.”

          Why? Because you knew? Before October of last year Morehouse had not put it in writing. So, while I can imagine the student body set the bar, there was no formal statement to say that certain attire was absolutely prohibited and would not be accepted on the campus grounds at all, which allows room for people to express themselves as they please. Apparently, a few students hoped they might be accepted into the community even though the way they chose to express themselves didn’t fit the image. It was Morehouse’s call to say whether or not these type of students would be allowed on campus or not. Ignore/accept them as part of the student body, or give them the boot. They chose to go with the latter, officially. Before, dressing like a woman was not breaking any school rules, now it is. And, that change came about after those students were already enrolled.

          “And that makes me a little sad, because you have all these folks all over the blogspere debating, fighting for their rights or the validity of Morehouse to introduce a dress code…

          When I suspect all they wanted is their 15 minutes”

          Actually, what brought the 15 minutes of fame wasn’t The Plastics, it was Morehouse’s actions. Had Morehouse not introduced their new dress code, a lot of people wouldn’t even know there were gay men dressed in drag on the campus. They could have ignored them, and left them in their little corner of the world, but instead they chose to take action against them, and now everyone’s talking about it.

        • TheBlackForrest

          Except for Morehouse being a “bougie azz school,” I agree lol.

        • Sula

          This sums up my feelings with a nice little bow on top. And I, too, throws confetti on this whole post.

          Obviously, Jhane knows what she sez.

          Good stuff.

      • Jhane Sez

        “But, that’s the thing, Morehouse DID change their policy for the Plastics. The policy they are now enforcing is new, and designed to target those people specifically. I could see if the Plastics enrolled in Morehouse knowing what the dress code was going to be, but they didn’t.”

        So an invitation to the opera needs to come with instructions not to wear booty shorts and flip flops… or stand up in your seat and yell “you betta werk diva” at the close of an aria…

        Cause what I am hearing is that unless we are explicated told we ain’t gonna know how to act…

        So we need sock puppets so we know how to behave, to know what is appropriate, to know what is expected of us.

        Isn’t that the perception black folks been trying to fight for a millennium

        Anyone who has ever met anyone who has even heard of Morehouse KNOWS that it is a conservative bougie azz school…

        You are supposed to go there to get your grown man on, REGARDLESS of your sexuality. Farnsworth Bentley.

        The whole look of The Plastics actually stems from the Gay Ballroom scene as a off shoot of Vouge Fem. The look and lifestyle are all about luxury and fabulousness… being famous, hot rich boys, designer: shoes, bags, make-up, clothes, cars… high end exclusivity.

        So why Morehouse…

        Because if they went to an art, design, fashion school or any of the colleges know for gay acceptance we would have no idea of who they are, we wouldn’t be talking about them, they wouldn’t be special… they would be like everyone else.

        And that makes me a little sad, because you have all these folks all over the blogspere debating, fighting for their rights or the validity of Morehouse to introduce a dress code…

        When I suspect all they wanted is their 15 minutes ~JS

      • Mo-VSS

        The dress code at Morehouse is implied. Not to say that the plastics knew that coming in, but they do a whole orientation around what it means to be a Morehouse man. I used to date one and he told me that.

        I’m not at all cool with gender roles being so loose that everyone has to either jump on board or be labeled a bigot. I feel if you want to live your life a certain way, so be it, but changing policies that uphold tradition is a bit much. I think a compromise is in order.

        • Andi

          “…is exactly why I as a Black christian wouldn’t attend an Islamic university in nun’s clothing.” iDied.

          The dress code at Morehouse has been implied since it’s inception. Maybe they missed the orientation week with dress shirts and ties. Or they didn’t see their peers walking around in suits on Tuesdays/Thursdays. While I don’t necessarily agree with the way it was handled by Morehouse, I understand why they did it. Morehouse is a conservative school based on years of tradition. If you’re not trying to get down with the tradition, go somewhere else. I don’t want to hear about finance. There are loans, scholarships, and grants. I’ve seen too many of my peers excel without financial help from their parents.

      • Mo-VSS

        The dress code at Morehouse is implied. Not to say that the plastics knew that coming in, but they do a whole orientation around what it means to be a Morehouse man. I used to date one and he told me that.

        I’m not at all cool with gender roles being so loose that everyone has to either jump on board or be labeled a bigot. I feel if you want to live your life a certain way, so be it, but changing policies that uphold tradition is a bit much. I think a compromise is in order.

    • MoreAndAgain

      But, that’s the thing, Morehouse DID change their policy for the Plastics. The policy they are now enforcing is new, and designed to target those people specifically. I could see if the Plastics enrolled in Morehouse knowing what the dress code was going to be, but they didn’t.

    • Bison…

      not the Howard shot at the end though…. (although I am a fellow alum)

  • http://theothersideofphlyy.blogspot.com PhlyyGirl

    I agree with #5 the most of all.

    I don’t believe that being gay or transgender is wrong. But I do believe that trying to force your lifestyles and beliefs on anyone is wrong and that’s what the plastics seem to be doing.
    If you want to live life as a woman, fine. But why not choose to attend another university in the AUC? or any of the other 50-11 HBCU’s in the country?
    I don’t think that Morehouse should change their code for this group and if I was in administration at morehouse, I wouldn’t know what to do with them either.

    *The second morehouse is lowercase because I went to Howard, which is really the only HBCU that deserves to be Capitalized all the time!

  • miss t-lee

    #5. Totally agree, I don’t have much else to say on the subject.

    • Sula

      Exactly.

      And I think we’ve already debated this (probably on a Panama day though)…. A private institution has the rights to change/add to its policies as it pleases. I don’t even understand why this is an issue…

  • miss t-lee

    #5. Totally agree, I don’t have much else to say on the subject.

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