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8 Thoughts About The Bishop Eddie Long Scandal

Eh, I guess.

1. Like last week’s ubiquitous No Wedding, No Womb discussion and subsequent Twitter Deathmatch, I’m much more interested in people’s reactions to the Bishop Eddie Long scandal—and the myriad meta sub-conversations about religion, the “rightness” of mega-churches, and homosexuality that’ll come from those reactions—than the eventual outcome of the scandal itself, and I assume most of you reading this feel the exact same way.

This type of increasingly common “detached but exaggerated curiosity” actually reminds me a bit of the “2 Girls 1 Cup” phenomenon, where more people watched the reaction videos—people showing the video to their friends and family members and taping their reactions—than the actual video. I’m not sure if this is a bad thing or if it just is, but it personally rubbed me the wrong way when I realized I’d offered dozens of opinions (and jokes) about this story last week despite the fact that I hadn’t even bothered to learn (or read) the names of the accusers until Sunday night.

2. One of the more interesting and disturbing developments with this story is the literal frothing of the mouth some of us educated black folk get when presented with the opportunity to speak badly and joke about Christianity and Christians. I’m not suggesting that any religion should be immune to critique and ridicule, but I wonder if some of these people would be as quick to clown Islam or Judaism in the same manner.

3. My feelings about mega-churches and multi-millionaire preachers mirror my feelings about Nicki Minaj’s body: I can’t tell you exactly what, but something about it just aint right.

4. Whenever a person asks my opinion about a high-profile sexual misconduct case, my first reply is “I hope they (the accusers) are lying“. Why?

Well, if choosing between A) They’re telling the truth and the accused is guilty, which means the accusers have had to deal with the agony of being sexually violated or B) They’re lying and the accused is innocent, which means although the accusers have some insidious motives, they haven’t had to deal with the agony of being sexually violated, B) seems like the preferred outcome

5. I think a black straight man admitting he’s been sexually abused carries even more of a stigma within our community than a black man coming out of the closet. Put it this way: It wouldn’t be a huge leap to say there are more than a few educated and “enlightened” women reading this right now who wouldn’t date a man if she knew he’d been forced to do a sexual act with a man.

This is part of the reason why I’ll always say that one of the most courageous things I’ve ever seen a person do was when NFL receiver Laveranues Coles publicly admitted he’d been sexually abused as a child.

6. I don’t consider the leaked photos of Long posing, flexing, and vogueing in full spandex—photos he apparently sent to one (or more?) of the accusers—as “proof” of a sexual relationship. Inappropriate? Yes. Disturbing? Definitely. Unintentionally hilarious? Of course.

But, although I don’t know too many uber-narcissistic 50-something millionaire men with Jeri curls who’ve deemed themselves “Bishop”, I’d assume that people who fit this unique description would be prone to occasionally say and do some strange shit (like sending pictures of yourself in full spandex and matching Kangol to, well, anyone), and being a weird-ass motherf*cker with a God complex doesn’t necessarily mean you’re a sexual predator.

7. With that being said, it’s almost like Eddie Long went to The Rape Store and bought the most expensive “Dress Like a Rapist” Halloween costume kit he could find. My goodness. The only way he could seem even rapey-er is if he changed his name to Charlie Murphy.

8. I have to admit these allegations didn’t pass my initial sniff test. I can’t explain exactly why, but my first thought when hearing about this was “Eh. I don’t know“. “Sexual Coercion” sounds more an Cinemax After Dark title than an actual offense. And remember, I have no dog in the fight. Shit, although I had heard of him before, I didn’t even know Long was black until last week.

But, after considering his awkward Sunday sermon and the fact that as the week continued, accusers began to pop up at a rate rivaling Tiger’s mistresses (at this speed, Long will have enough accusers to start his own winter basketball league by November), I can’t think of a reason not to believe the good Bishop has been doing what he’s been accused of doing, and that’s a bummer.

—The Champ

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Damon Young is the editor-in-chief of VSB. He is also a contributing editor for EBONY.com. He resides in Pittsburgh, and he really likes pancakes.

  • http://www.twitter.com/Stank_0 Stank-0

    I was willing to let this slide if no other names pop up, but as more names continue to emerge it’s hard to believe that something did transpire.

    I also refuse to discuss this topic in mixed “race” company. I cannot in good conscience do it. I’m not sure why.

    • http://www.twitter.com/Stank_0 Stank-0

      Sorry I meant something did NOT transpire.

      While I’m here I’m worried people will use this as an excuse to pin whatever reason they have for disbelief in organized religion on this.

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

      “I also refuse to discuss this topic in mixed “race” company. I cannot in good conscience do it. I’m not sure why.”

      i know exactly what you mean.

    • P.

      “I also refuse to discuss this topic in mixed “race” company. I cannot in good conscience do it. I’m not sure why.”

      I refuse to discuss anything remotely pertaining to race at all in mixed race company.

      • Ash

        I don’t get it. What does this have to do with race? Ted Haggart did it and he was a white pastor of a white church. Missing the racial element here…

        I’ve discussed with my white coworkers with no awkwardness at all. Nothing about him being black came up. We live in Atlanta, it’s all over the news and one of my coworkers was called by local news stations to comment as an expert, so it’s a hot topic right now…but nothing racially offensive has come up.

        • Sula

          Agreed….

          Shoot, I didn’t even know who Eddie Long was 3 weeks ago… I guess not being up on your “bishops” and “mega churches” is not the black thing to do… :)

          • shatani

            i had no idea who he was either….but i already lost my black card, so whatevs!

            ps. im always inclined to believe the accuser….

          • writeous

            I had no idea who he was either. On the strength of those pics alone, I have concluded that he is so many varying degress of weird. Those pics f’d up my coherence something wicked.

            • writeous

              degrees^

    • na’ila

      I agree w/ the whole not discussing it in mixed race company- Even around black folk something in my conscience tells me to leave it alone & not talk about Bishop Long negtatively.

  • http://hedidit.com hedidit

    hedidit

    • JessicaL

      Guilty! That nikka id guilty! Lol, on a serious note I hate that I laughed at the whole number of accusers rivaling tiger’s mistresses.

      • Mr SoBo

        @JessicaL
        Your Uncle Rukkus expression made me ‘lol’.

    • http://www.pinchmycheekie.wordpress.com Cheekie

      Thanks, O.J.

  • B. Brown

    1, 2, 3. Co-sign.

    4. I had a feeling he did it. Not sure why, I just did. I think the feeling I had as with the idea that they were coerced. Um, they were too old to be coerced. There was some “want to” in there somewhere. Just saying. When more people started coming out, that was when I actually started to think Long was innocent. “Me too” usually is a phrase of hangers-on.

    Stephen A. Smith pointed out that Long never flatly denied the charges when he spoke at church. I know that’s part legal strategy, but if I were in that situation I’d pay my lawyers extra (which Long certainly can) to work past that.

    The act/accusation is sad, but the situation surrounding it (media-induced bells and whistles, including commentary) is funny.

    • http://www.iamyourpeople.com I Am Your People

      I haven’t kept up with Stephen A. since he left ESPN. Is he doing political commentary now? Why is he talking about Eddie Long?

      • B. Brown

        SAS has a show on Fox Sports Radio and also appears on Steve Harvey’s show and msnbc every now and again. His show is a sports show, but he also talks about non-sports topics.

    • http://www.twitter.com/quiethaylestorm Keisha Brown

      *waves good morning to B Brown…
      ToureX noted the same thing on twitter last night, that the words INNOCENT never once was uttered by Long.
      alas.

    • whykendra

      “Um, they were too old to be coerced.”

      Please explain.

      • R-Tistic

        They were…how the hell does a 17 year old MAN (not boy) get “coerced” into gay sex?? They were already gay, which is not a problem, but they can’t act like he raped them or forced them to do a single thing at all.

  • Brian

    I wasn’t sure whether to give props or shake my head at dude being able to match up a Kangol with an Underarmor set.

    And really, I thought I was the only one that noticed that.

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

      And really, I thought I was the only one that noticed that.

      there are some things in life you’ll notice that you’ll wish you can unnotice.

    • http://thecochranfirm.wordpress.com/2010/04/22/my-week-as-the-mango/ Dasher of The Newport Dashers

      If it did not now carry an air of sexual abuse around it, I think Under Armor-Kangol mashup could have swept the nation. It is oddly stylish, and has just the right amount of impracticalness to excite irony-loving trend-setters.

    • theillestone

      WE MUST PROTECT THIS HOUSE!

      • legitimate_soul

        LMAO!

      • Mo (VSS)

        LMAO for real…I’m in class and just laughed out loud and folks looked at me like I was crazy.

  • It Figures!

    I live in GA. Good point on #2 and all around. In my family, the first night the story broke, it was the hot topic from my mother on down to my pre-teen nephew. I am praying for the Long family and the people that follow him rather than God. I do not want these allegations, true or false, to turn them away from God or damage their faith in any way.
    I think we all wanted to be neutral until the national news came on that night and showed the pictures. The pictures changed a lot of minds because the local news did not have them yet.
    I am not a member or an Eddie Long fan. I have not been since I met him 20 yrs ago. But, I do have compassion for all involved, innocent or guilty.

    • http://twitter.com/imhotep06 stlunatic

      EXCELLENT point. When it broke, that’s the first thing I thought “Aw hell, here is more anti-Christian ammunition for these intellectual atheists on these blogs. . .”

      • Intellectual Atheist

        Yep…more ammo indeed.

        • Sula

          Yup, yup! :)

          Am not an intellectual atheist but I’m an all-opportunity, critique offerer… If less things were swept under the rug and more things were talked about in the open, a lot of less of those Eddie Long stories there would be… This has nothing to do with the religion or the faith, and everything to do with people taking more responsibility for their faith and beliefs. It’s okay to criticize things you believe in… It doesn’t make you believe in them less, or at least it shouldn’t… It should help you get to the better version of your faith…

    • It Figures!

      I must have come to the post too early. I remember when there were 5 thoughts. We are up to 8 now.
      My #2 is now #4. “Whenever a person asks my opinion about a high-profile sexual misconduct case, my first reply is “I hope they (the accusers) are lying“. …”

      P.S.
      Champ stop updating and call it a post!

      • fixedwater

        “I must have come to the post too early. I remember when there were 5 thoughts. We are up to 8 now.”
        ^^^THIS^^^ I saw 5, then 6 and now its 8. I guess you’re done now, Champ.

  • miss t-lee

    I think he’s guilty. I’ve read the suits and I believe he’s done all that he’s accused of. You’re right Champie, the pictures don’t tell the whole story, but I know they killed me softly when they surfaced the other day. Wow, just wow. Don’t even get me started on the horrid toupee. *snickers*

    • miss t-lee

      Re: your edit. I totally agree with your #2. I’ve seen so many folks come out the woodwork this week bashing Christianity knowing full well that I’m a Christian. Most just got a side eye…you feel the way you feel and I can’t convince you otherwise. Folks need to realize that you can’t base your feelings on a religion based on a few bad apples. Generalizing will get you nowhere.

      • Tx10inch

        Major co-signage T-lee…

        People who aren’t Christians or even on the fence are going to find reasons to discredit it in any way possible. Why? Because the bible and tha Ten commandments get in the way of how they believe their lives should be led. They want logical answers to faith based occurences. And when u can’t give that to them, then you’re seen as not being able to logically articulate what u believe. Now, with a handle such as Tx10inch I’ve neva claimed to even try to be tha “Holy One” but what I believe and TRY to live will always remain with me. Long story short, people gonna believe what they believe and only God or the people God puts in their lives can change that. But I digress, I’ve been hearing about Eddie Long for years via people that attend his Church. I did not bat an EYE when this story broke…next up to bat, Mr. TD Jakes….comun down!!!!!!

    • http://lizburr.com Liz

      You read the suits and thinks he’s guilty? I read the suits too and without actual evidence the suits themselves are just a listing of hearsay lol. Not defending him, but also wondering how they were so persuasive to you. I’m a pessimist that way. I’d at least like to see the receipts first.

      • JessicaL

        I agree but I also feel the need to ask a question. How many people have gotten off because there wasn’t enough evidence to convict when they truly did the crime?

        • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

          How many people have gotten off because there wasn’t enough evidence to convict when they truly did the crime?

          yeah, but this wasn’t a “crime” really. whether the sexual coercion part is true seems to be more interpretation based. i mean, whats the point of having power and status if you don’t use them to help you get some rhythm?

          • http://twitter.com/SmartFoxGirl SmartFoxGirl

            Just 1 year diff would make this a crime. A technical law of 16? I’m sorry but I think this is criminal. When I look at my 16 year-old cousins, I cannot imagine a grown @ss 40+year old man having sex with them. That should be a crime.

            • JessicaL

              Exactly! At what age do we really consider one an adult/accountable? At 16 you cannot vote, marry without permission(in most states), drink, etc. If that’s the case whether society likes it or not they were still children.

              • Yonnie 3000

                Hmmm… it seems the question that you are asking is How Old Is 15 Really? If the allegations are true, I do think that Eddie Long is wrong – he’s morally wrong, and if there is a law against what he’s done (using his position of authority to get s3x), then he’s also criminally wrong. But a line has to be drawn. At what point do we require people to take personal responsibility i.e. when can they give consent? GA law says 16. If we don’t agree with that, then we need to try to change the law. Is it 17? 18? 21? I understand about ‘grooming’ and all of that, but if you’re being groomed when you’re 15, but nothing physical happens until you’re 17 or 18… We don’t know the facts of the case, nobody but God, those boys, and Eddie Long knows what really happened. But it does raise interesting questions/debates.

              • Jhane Sez

                “At what point do we require people to take personal responsibility i.e. when can they give consent? GA law says 16. If we don’t agree with that, then we need to try to change the law. Is it 17? 18? 21? I understand about ‘grooming’ and all of that, but if you’re being groomed when you’re 15, but nothing physical happens until you’re 17 or 18…”

                True story…

                A dude we know is career military, he gets married while he is stationed over in Asia but when he returns to the states his “wife” is living in Canada, he explains that this is because of some issues with her citizen paperwork.

                We know that he visits her regularly and that they have a couple of kids but she doesn’t come to the states for 3 or 4 years, even though he brings the kids with him to visit his folks.

                There are crickets when we actually get to meet her because he says she is 18 but she looks younger… even though the age of consent is very low in her country as is the legal age to marry if he had brought her to the US first he would have been in big trouble because if we do the math she would have been 13 or 14 when he “married” her. He is in his 30’s.

                I shared my thoughts in an earlier post and in my opinion 15, 16, mos def ain’t grown and with the way our culture raises most kids now days I give the side eye to 17 and 18.

                It is socially uncomfortable to have 30 and 40 something peers (usually men) bring dates that aren’t old enough to drink and young enough to be their kids to gatherings.

                What makes Long really creepy is the fact that he gains the trust of young people BEFORE the age of consent and then proceeds to engage them sexually as the clock strikes midnight on legal.

                That is predatory… and I think that it is akin to stalking and making the prey weak before going in for the kill.

                I would also like to go on record and say that I think that if you aren’t responsible enough to drink, then you shouldn’t be able to get married, sign a contract or go to war.

                I think that we do need some across the board consistency for what the society holds you accountable for based on age…

                But it especially disturbs me that culturally black folks have a tendency to start calling folks grown as early as 14.

                Not because of any real or perceived sense of maturity or responsibility on the part of the child but usually to gain sexual access to the minor or to relieve ourselves of adult obligations… such as supervision and monetary support.

                I also wonder if culturally some black folks aren’t a bit bitter about the decisions they had to make and responsibilities that they had to take on with no adult guidance.

                It seems sub human to leave the young to fend for themselves… ~JS

              • http://twitter.com/SmartFoxGirl SmartFoxGirl

                @Jhane
                I cosign your entire comment! Eddie Long may not have committed a crime but it is definitely predatory. I see men do it to young girls all the time. My 17 year old cousin is dating a 33 year old man. She’s legal but I still think he is a predatory CREEP as she has almost nothing in common with him. It’s all about control control control CONTROL.

          • Lanieanna

            And that was the point I wanted to make @ Champ.. Everyone keeps saying Guilty/Not Guilty, but there have not been any crimes comitted… Regardless of what pople have to “say” he is not going to go to jail for any of the allegations that were brought forth. He did NOT commit any crimes/ break any laws. Not saying right or wrong, but even if they were sukking the Eddie Schlong, they didnt have a problem when they were taking international trips, getting their tuitions paid, and riding around in brand new cars. According to GA law, 16 is the age of consent. If he did woo the young men with gifts, and money…. You tell me what man in here is not guilty of “sexual coercion”. OK, maybe it didnt apply to teenaged boys, but I have been “sexually coerced” since my bee-stings turned into EXTREME ALLERGIC REACTIONS. As far as how he is being percieved as a christian… we do that to all religons…. That is why no one wants to sit next to the muslim dude on the Southwest flight to H-town. If those relationships had been with females of consenting age, would we still be having this conversation?….. Outside of him cheating on his wife… I really dont see anything wrong with what he did… that is if these allegations are true. So what if he is supposed to be a man of God…. he is still a man. As far as the outfits in the picture mails are concerned…. HELLOOOOOOOOOOOOOO… he lives in Atlanta.. Spandex there is the new denim!

        • http://lizburr.com Liz

          She read a document and automatically concluded he was guilty. The justice system itself is a problem, with or without evidence. Anybody can file a document in court and make all kinds of claims. Sure you can think about motives etc, but I was just wondering how the documents themselves, filled with some light details, and no evidence, made her conclude that he did it. Again, not defending him, but when I read the docs I thought they’d be more telling than the news reports. They weren’t.

          • miss t-lee

            I’m back to explain why I think he’s guilty…
            given the ages of the boys when this all happened (mid teens), which some folks have tried to say they were the age of consent in GA (not sure, haven’t researched) the whole thing seems shady. I don’t care if he’s the pastor of a church, taking trips with these boys across continents, paying college tuition, giving lavish gifts such as cars (purchased under other NB members names,etc), sharing hotel rooms– just doesn’t look good. Also, I’ve read other reports where this was all done under the guise of his “mentorship” program, and church funds were used, and also that his co-ministers and other employees of the church were supposedly in on this from jump. The boys were also on the payroll at the church, for what? Were they working there? I don’t think so.
            We can all form out opinions about the man and the situation, but all I’m saying is, it doesn’t look good to me, and if you can be so flip about using your members money for who knows what, there’s no telling what else you’re capable of doing.
            Trust, if this was the pastor of my church he would be getting the side eye from me, just as hard.

          • ableC

            Evidentiary exhibits are generally not included in complaints. Brevity is important at the complaint stage. The evidence will enter the public record if the cases go to litigation, which is why Eddie may chose to settle out of court.

            Eddie can sue his accusers for defamation if their charges are not based in truth. Georgia allots so many days for a defendant to file cross-complaints and answers. Give Eddie and his lawyers time.

      • Mo (VSS)

        I wish more people understood how sexual abuse works…that came out wrong. What I mean is this: there are classic examples of what abusers typically do. People in power, people with in-tact reputations and such are the people MOST likely to get away with it. Why? Because they know folks have a misconception about who abuses and why they abuse.

        Now, these men, being straight and all, are targeted because of how they appear. If Long woudl have been hanging around a bunch of known gay teenage males, he would have gotten the side eye (mostly because of his preaching against homesexuality). So, he knew that he could start this “special” club, show these boys with no consistent male guidance in their life some attention, and do what he (allegedly) did and no one would be the wiser. It’s not expected of him….and that’s the abusers most valuable weapon.

        And because there are more folks coming out doesn’t seem to reek of the “me-too” attitude. This kind of abuse isn’t just enacted on one person. If an abuser gets away with it once, he will do it again. If anything, the fact that there are more than one accuser makes me believe he is, in fact, a classic sexual predator.

        Also, BJ Bernstein is a reputable attorney (worked with her personally) and I’d like to think she wouldn’t take a case that is just smoke and mirrors.

        • miss t-lee

          “People in power, people with in-tact reputations and such are the people MOST likely to get away with it. Why? Because they know folks have a misconception about who abuses and why they abuse. ”

          Thank you.

    • V Renee

      I too think he’s guilty.

      Even though sixteen is the legal age of consent in Georgia, it doesn’t make it right. At sixteen, one is still easily impressionable. ESPECIALLY by someone older with a jheri curl . There is no reason for that man to be frolicing around the country with young boys and no one else around to witness.

  • http://twitter.com/eazylittle Eazy

    As a person who has very much grown up nestled within the “black church culture”…it’s almost impossible for me to really pin down exactly how I feel about the whole scandal until all the facts come out. But suffice it to say that it doesn’t look good. Like you Champ, I hope it’s untrue of course but…it’s a really sad state of affairs when I find that I’m not as surprised as I should be by this, given the sins of high-ranking officials in other religious sects.

    • http://twitter.com/naimafiasco TheTalentedMs.Fiasco

      They could always do that Catholic Church method of dealing with situations like this. Ignore, Ignore, Deny, Ignore, Ignore…Oh yeah we’re sorry about what happened if it happend…Ignore.

      • Perfect Square

        The problem with, “Ignore, Ignore, Deny, Ignore, Ignore…Oh yeah we’re sorry about what happened if it happend…Ignore.” is that Eddie Long does not have the clandestine hallows of The Church to bury the case. He is the Pastor of only one church. Where is he going to hide?

        • Sula

          Exactly…. The Catholic Church was able to get away with murder for so long, because the organization itself is quite powerful… The Vatican is its own sovereign entity benefiting from diplomatic privileges and the likes… That’s why they could sweep it under the rug…

          My momma and I had many a fight about this very subject (I was raised Catholic)… and it’s a sad state of affairs anyway you look at it.

    • Sula

      I think what I found most interesting in my reaction was that I was not surprised in the least bit. Granted, I didn’t know who Eddie Long was then, but I was not surprised that a well-known “man of God” who has a powerful and well-known anti-gay ministry would indeed, actually be a sexual predator… Not surprised in the least.

      What I’m wondering though, is how he was able to reconcile both the public sermons with the private ones? Because I’m assuming those accusers were certainly members of his church, right? So how did he explain it away?

      It’s rather a shame though… Le sigh.

      • simplysope

        It makes me really sad to see things like this. Not only are these young men going to be, well not ‘ruined for life’ but most certainly will carry the scar for years (if its true), but I am SOOOOOOOO tired of ‘Christians’ who decry homs3xuality and are the same ones abusing children and meeting male hookers in hotel rooms or whatever.

        Geez, if you have a log in your eye, (or a dude’s piece in your mouth for that matter) there is no need to be throwing stones are other folks.

        Like everyone said, I hope Eddie Long isn’t guilty, but even if he isn’t guilty of a actual crime, he is still a trifling predatory mess. :(

        Also @Champ:

        “7. With that being said, it’s almost like Eddie Long went to The Rape Store and bought the most expensive “Dress Like a Rapist” Halloween costume kit he could find. My goodness. The only way he could seem even rapey-er is if he changed his name to Charlie Murphy.”

        LMFAO, there is nothing funny about rape, but I totally laughed out loud for real. You almost got me in trouble at work. :p

  • http://www-shay-d-lady.com shay-d-lady

    I still question it. Its a civil suit, the lawyer keeps saying he used his money and influence however all men were involved in this
    “Spiritual son” mentor program. So yes, he had them in his home, and took them on trips
    And its easy to view the pictures and actions through the lens of the accusers. But prior to the accusers
    It wasn’t deemed inappropriate right? So considering what they are now defining as inappropriate
    And the dual nature I feel most pastors, bishops (how do you become a bishop or even better apostle)

    Etc have. Being perfect in the pulpit but a man/human/imperfect after the doors close and the fact that potentially millions are involved
    I can see how several of his former spiritual sons who are no longer shining in that light will come forward.
    But yet I can’t shake the feeling something is wrong on both sides of this. I don’t see him as innocent necessarily but it is entirely
    To early to be burning him in effigy and condemning him to he.ll but also you can’t deny that the possibility of wrong doing does exist

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com The Champ

      I still question it. Its a civil suit, the lawyer keeps saying he used his money and influence however all men were involved in this
      “Spiritual son” mentor program. So yes, he had them in his home, and took them on trips
      And its easy to view the pictures and actions through the lens of the accusers. But prior to the accusers
      It wasn’t deemed inappropriate right?

      valid question

  • http://thecochranfirm.wordpress.com/2010/09/25/please-hammer-dont-hurt-em/ Dasher of The Newport Dashers

    Eh, I get the feeling he did it. It takes a lot for people in a country that is s*xually repressed like America is to come forward and claim sexual abuse. Whispers will follow the accusers their whole life, as will the resentment from their family and friends who could become embarrassed by the whole ordeal.

    • http://www.thefriendraiser.com Jenifer Daniels

      co-sign.

      i put nothing past no one. my friend [who is saved and a minister] is having sex with her older, married pastor. hmmph.

      • mssmtaylor

        “i put nothing past no one. my friend [who is saved and a minister] is having sex with her older, married pastor. hmmph”

        Jennifer I strongly agree with you. No one is exempt from sin no matter how high they sit in the pulpit. I hope he’s innocent! I hope these are just allegations and someone is trying to “get rich quick”.

        I also know people in leadership (church) that put on a nice front on Sunday morning. Its sad! This one of the main reasons why so many people disassociate themselves from church. Not God but organized religion. People are a mess!

      • miss t-lee

        “i put nothing past no one.”

        okay? I don’t either.

  • hehe

    2. One of the more interesting and disturbing developments with this story is the literal frothing of the mouth some of us educated black folk get when presented with the opportunity to speak badly and joke about Christianity. I’m not suggesting that any religion should be immune to critique and ridicule, but I wonder if some of these people would be as quick to clown Islam in the same manner.

    Well the educated black folks that are criticizing Bishop Long and his form of “Christianity” grew up in the black church and consider themselves Christians. It would look bad if they criticize another religion like Islam which they don’t know or not apart of. It’s like black comedians making fun of black people but if white do it they get the side eye.

    • http://lizburr.com Liz

      I’ve def seen some educated non-Christians frothing at the mouth. Not to say the ones you are describing are exempt, but I think Champ has a valid point either way.

    • Sula

      I agree!!

      I feel very comfortable criticizing the Catholic Church because I KNOW IT!! It would be not very smart (or read completely stupid) to criticize Hinduism…. a religion I know absolutely nothing about.