1. south africa has always been a bit ahead of the curve when thinking of unique ways to deter crime. for instance, as a response to a rash of increasingly violent carjackings that plagued that country in the late 90′s, the “blaster” –an anti-carjacking device that shot flames from underneath both front doors if you were being carjacked– was created in 1998 by a south african inventor who apparently decided to take full advantage the country’s lax flamethrower laws (apparently, it’s perfectly legal to own and carry flamethrowers there. yes, flamethrowers. as in “big ass weapons that spit flames at sh*t”. and you thought america’s gun laws sucked.)
while installing a device that shoots liquefied petroleum gas from your car to ward off potential carjackings is like sharpening your hand into a human meat shank to scare muggers, i understand the mindset that leads to someone inventing that. remember, south africa has only been free from apartheid for 16 years. this is also a country where whites still control roughly 90 percent of the wealth, despite only being approximately 9 percent of the population. when you combine this dynamic with rampant unemployment, lawlessness, and a general sense of sexual recklessness, you have a country that shows you what would happen if you put all of america’s fear-based racial issues on crack, smack, meth, and mushrooms. basically, it’s west baltimore with shanties.
anyway, this is exactly the type of socioeconomic climate that leads to a fear-based reactionary thinking where the impractical and short-sighted seems practical. problem with carjackings? duh, just make cars that burn carjackers alive! that’ll fix em. problem with rapes? duh, stupid! just invent Rape-aXe¹, a device that calls for women to insert a contraption with “jagged rows of teeth-like hooks” in their vaginas.
i won’t pretend to be able to grasp the level of emotional, spiritual, physical, mental, and sexual agony a violent rape has on a woman (or man) or the pressure of living in a place where rape is so prevalent (28% of men polled in a medical research study there last year admitted that they had raped a woman before. 28%!!! can you imaging being in a place where almost one out of every three guys is a rapist?), but there has to be a better solution than giving women portable p*ssy piranhas.
2. for those who think i unnecessarily played the race card in the last few paragraphs, i just don’t think it’s coincidental that the inventors of both rape-aXe and the blaster happen to be south african whites. there’s a certain type of subconscious fear that allows a person to think of something so vile and dehumanizing as a response to vile and dehumanizing acts. and, a place like south africa is a perfect breeding ground for that level of latent terror.
3. out of all of the crimes you can commit, sexual assault is the only one with no possible justification. think about it: you can just about justify anything under the right circumstance (“yeah, judge. that army of five year olds would have killed my wife if i didn’t torture their leader for information“), but there’s nothing you can say to make non-consensual sex ok. it’s the world’s only unconditional wrong. i can’t think of any other deed that would qualify.
4. maybe i’m missing something here, but it seems like rape-aXe doesn’t actually stop the rape.
while it might stop a man from finishing, i haven’t seen or read any evidence that it would stop a man from entering. and, once a woman is entered against her will, it’s rape. plus, i’m no rape expert, but i don’t think most rapists do thorough cavity inspections to check for sharpness before they start raping.
i guess you can say that it would serve as a mental deterrent, but i can only see it deterring someone who got got by the vampire condom from doing it again. basically, he’d have to actually rape somebody to stop him from raping again…which sucks for the women serving as sacrificial deterrent lambs.
5. despite the fact that i think this condom with teeth idea is wrapped in a big-ass gang of wrong, i’ll admit that i’d like to be a fly on the wall of the holding cell where all the rapists with latex hyenas stuck to their d*cks are being held, especially since you can’t remove it or even pee without a doctors assistance.
i guess i’m a bit of a sadist afterall. hmmm, maybe i should move to south africa and invent something.
anyway, people of vsb.com, what are your thoughts about rape-aXe? do you think it’ll be a useful deterrent, or just another medieval invention by someone with african castration fantasies? also, would any of the vss’s actually wear one, and would any of the vsb’s advise a woman they care about to?
the carpet is yours
¹am i the only one who thinks “rape-aXe” definitely sounds like a new and intentionally douchy line of axe body spray? sh*t, i could even envision an ad where ben roethlisberger or kobe are standing in a bathroom stall while a voiceover says ” rape-aXe…where “no” means “no problem”
—the champ
Sorry Cheeks.
lmfao, no worries.
Reasons Why I Wasn’t First:
1. Brian White
2. The title of this post.
I hatechu, Champ. Not for number one, though. You didn’t have anything to do with number one. Just gotta clear that up. No, I REALLY have to clear that up. lol
(grossed out by Brian White…he looks like he wears too much makeup 3 shade to light)
who is brian white?
http://www.exposay.com/celebrity-photos/brian-white-the-game-plan-world-premierered-carpet-arrivals-RHfPpz.jpg
Thats Brian White? I thought that was Columbus Short :O
“Thats Brian White? I thought that was Columbus Short :O”
They’re the same person.
It doesn’t stop rape, it just identifies the rapist cuz the teeth can only be removed in a hospital setting, unless you really hate your wang so much you would try to remove them yourself.
It’s not really much in terms of protection and awareness but it gives a big ole EFF YOU! to any “successful” rapists, and if used enough am sure it can act as a deterrent as well.
“It’s not really much in terms of protection and awareness but it gives a big ole EFF YOU! to any “successful” rapists”
thats my point: its more focused on punishment than actually protecting women
Punishment works too. I’ll take it.
how can you stop someone from raping? Mace maybe… point is punishment is good, especially that of an immediate nature.
Haven’t read all the posts, but isn’t that just something rapists will now look for and (forcibly) pull out? I mean there has to be a way for a woman to pull it out of herself. So why wouldn’t he do the same? I just don’t get it.
Umm…what if the rapist is a um small guy? Or if he starts off big and it shrinks back down? Leave you with a pissed off small fry…with an even smaller fry.
Last I checked it protected againgst HIV, which I am pretty sure still causes death.
This is why I won’t visit any country where a coup starts when you add water.
(speaking of water if Oprah’s hotel got hers turned off everyday at 3:00 when she visited Africa then where am I gonna stay)
So I will address other points.
“3. out of all of the crimes you can commit, sexual assault is the only one with no possible justification. think about it: you can just about justify anything under the right circumstance (“yeah, judge. that army of five year olds would have killed my wife if i didn’t torture their leader for information“), but there’s nothing you can say to make unconsentual sex ok. it’s the world’s only unconditional wrong. i can’t think of any other deed that would qualify.”
Rape is a fear that every woman lives with… I have never been raped but am afraid.
And that fear isn’t just for ourselves but our babies, our children, our friends, our mothers, our sisters…
We don’t dwell… but we KNOW.
Ironically I believe that one of the reasons that women are so critical of public rape victims sometimes…
Bcause there is a desire to figure out how to keep yourself safe.
Oh she was a ho/wore a short skirt/was drinking/walking alone late at night/skanky/pretty… black.
Yes I believe that black women fear more…
Afraid of being blamed, not believed, not protected… damaged.
There is a man shortage after all.
And this harsh criticism protects us.
When the fact that most of us live with the illusion of safety and think there but for the grace of God go I.
I needed to say that because its easy to derail the conversation by saying its buck wild “over there” and to distance ourselves from the thing that is every womans worst nightmare.
We are just lucky that we don’t have our noses shoved in it.
Fear can’t afford the luxury of thinking of some violators humanity when spirit is at stake.
Real talk…
I have to ask myself what would I do to protect me and mine against such stagging odds.
You know rape stats are like roaches… for everyone you see you got another hundred hiding behind the walls.
This thing with teeth and hooks is a talisman with no real magic.
But before you begin your conversation bear in mind the need to feel protected.
Even with bad magic from white devils ~JS
this comment read like a spoken word performance. i’m not saying that to be snarky either. i can almost imagine ursula rucker or someone reading it.
“this comment read like a spoken word performance. i’m not saying that to be snarky either. i can almost imagine ursula rucker or someone reading it.”
(blushing) aww shucks and sh*t
Thank you… we did an e-mail tag thing a few weeks ago about real chicks with dude tendencies.
I need to find time to slam and read more cause its starting to infiltrate my postings.
Thank you for giving me an outlet.
Thank you twice ~JS
(speaking of water if Oprah’s hotel got hers turned off everyday at 3:00 when she visited Africa then where am I gonna stay)
if by ‘Africa’ you mean SOUTH Africa – i have but one response….you DO know that this is a bald-faced lie, right? coz i know where Oprah stays when she’s here. and NOTHING gets turned off at ANY time. plus, she’s built herself a mansion on her property adjoining her school…. and nothing ever gets switched off there, i assure you.
sorry if i sound pissy, i’m just so sick of ‘dark, malfunctioning africa’ sentiment….
I feel you… and I apologize for any cultural insensitivity… all I can say is I have been in the burbs too long.
I have been considering visiting Africa… Rwanda not SA but I know people who have traveled there and it is breathtaking… judging by the pics.
But the water thing is real for me… cause I’m a night owl and I don’t like to get up until noon and then I want caffeine and a shower
Thanks for clearing that up ~JS
It’s a terrible situation all around. The fact that you even have to come up woth a device w/ teeth in it to try and “combat” rape is terrible.
And that poll might say 28% of men in the study admitted to raping someone, I think it’s much much higher than that.
Even worldwide, victims of rape are always seen as the ones at fault. i don’t even know how you would begin to change people’s mentality…
Even worldwide, victims of rape are always seen as the ones at fault. i don’t even know how you would begin to change people’s mentality…
thats the main criticism that the rape-axe has been getting, that it puts the onus on women to protect themselves
But isn’t the onus to protect myself from any crime put on me. If I take a self-defense class, if I’m just extra aware of my surroundings at night, if I lock my house and car, in all of these measures, isn’t the onus put on me.
Exactly. Self awareness/protection isn’t the same thing as the dreaded notion of “cover thyself so he won’t lust.” It’s being mindful that things can and do happen and being aware of how not to seem more like a target.
Watched a special on South Africa recently. 1/3 SA women will be raped in her lifetime. Furthermore, there is a widespread belief that having sex with a virgin will cure AIDS. Consequently, toddlers and 100 y/o old maids have been victimized. Truly sad.
“Furthermore, there is a widespread belief that having sex with a virgin will cure AIDS”
i knew this was going on somewhere in africa, but i wasn’t sure if it was south africa or not.
Watched a special on South Africa recently. 1/3 SA women will be raped in her lifetime. Furthermore, there is a widespread belief that having sex with a virgin will cure AIDS. Consequently, toddlers and 100 y/o old maids have been victimized. Truly sad.
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Whoa whoa whoa whoa now…..see, the problem with these type of “specials” and whatnot is that they tend to ALWAYS overhype the negatives going on in the country. I’ve lived there….lemme tell ya, there are some areas in the country that put Orange County to shame, just like there are places there that make you thank the Lord you live in Compton, y’know? I think it’s really important to take the info they offer to you in those “specials” with a large grain of salt. Some of that stuff is true…but then again, some of those “facts” are simply overhyped statistics that merely reinforce the whole “big, bad, Black Africa” image many people have.
Just felt the need to put that out there and to encourage folks to do their own determining….
…one more thing….the “belief” that having sex with toddlers will cure AIDS tends to be more of a rare belief held by folks in certain areas. I would dare say that many folks do NOT hold that belief (can’t really speak about the belief about sex with virgins, as I’ve been told different viewpoints by native residents of the country)….ok, I’m done.
“1/3 SA women will be raped in her lifetime.”
…That’s really a sad thing to know and it almost makes me sick to my stomach. Rape is a disgusting thing and needs to be stopped. rape-axe may not be the perfect prototype or even the perfect idea, but it’s headed in the right direction. We need something that may even inflict more pain on these disgusting people instantly…
sorry I got upset for a second there…
Hey ya’ll, I’m just a lurker but I really wanna add on to the folks trying to put these stats in perspective…
THIS IS REALITY IN THE USA TOO. Right now.
–One third of American Indian women will be raped in their lifetime (and for 70% of them, there attacker is NON native)
–One in four, 25%, of college-aged women will be raped. This is reality for every VSS in school right this second. Actually, take that back– it’s WORSE for sisters because Black women are statistically more likely to be raped.
Another thing to remember: Rape and war and colonization all go hand in hand (check back to the stat for American Indian women). So, with that in mind, think about the fact that the US has the highest incarceration rate in the world (1 out of 100 US citizens is in jail right now) then think about WHO is most likely to be incarcerated, and the fact that “dropping the soap” is a culturally accepted joke for prison rape… Yeah. I do not believe the situation in South Africa is unique or uniquely monstrous. For colonized people, for people in militarized zones (Reservations, every ghetto, the US/Mex border) rape and sexual violence is standard procedure. Wherever THAT shit is goin down, you can bet sexual violence is a normal part of life.
Also…I didn’t realize this thread was as old as it was (in internet time). Woops.
I’m no rapist, but my d*ck was in pain while reading this entire post. That picture just sends chills down my spine. Therefore, I hate the Rape-aXe for making me feel like a potential rapist.
“I’m no rapist, but my d*ck was in pain while reading this entire post.”
ummm, thanks for sharing
I’m so glad you wrote a post about this! I heard a snippet about it on the Tom Joyner show this morning and I was baffled as to what they were talking about. Anyhoo, here are my thoughts:
1) This invention is stupid and it’s only purpose is to profit from people’s fear.
2) Instead of trying to come up with gadgets to deter rape more needs to be done to change the attitudes about rape. If the psychology of the culture doesn’t change the issue will continue to be prevalent.
3) This reminded me of a movie called “Teeth”. I haven’t seen it but I love the Wikipedia synopsis: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teeth_(film)
I recommend that movies to high school white boys all the time. I’m not sure why, to be honest. It was unintentionally hilarious though.
lol, i heard of that movie, MsEsquire. I actually saw it on this screenwriting magazine. I looked at the poster like, “Buh?”
i immediately added this to my netflix que based on the wiki synopsis
But is there anything that can “deter” rape? I don’t think that there is. LIFE is always going to present an scenario where a person is vunerable and can be taken advantage of. It’s not like here where … lonely woman walks into parking garage… hears a noise… perpatrator jumps from behind an SUV…. Or, girl goes on date, starts to feel dizzy, and wakes up bukk naked. I mean there are plenty of scenarios where a “rape” can occur, but in South Africa, from what I understand rape has become an uncontrollable problem, and happens randomly quite often, by complete strangers. (versus most sexual assults happening with assailants who the victim is familiar or has been familiar with at one point) When rape in a community becomes as common as jay walking, what do you do? Me personally, If i lived in S.A., I would probably just go and get me one of those legal flame throwers, and travel with it everywhere I went, but I can see how a woman wearing the killer condom would feel more secure. When a woman is raped ( even though i have never been a victim of this crime.. thank GOD) I don’t think it is the penatration ( unless she is a virgin ) that women are afraid of. I think the real damage from a rape is knowing that you have no power. That a person could take something so personal by force, and go on living their lives like aint shyt happened, no punishment, no concequences, no damage done, while you live paranoid that it could happen again at any time. Women have sex all the time, we don’t fear sex, we fear not being able to protect ourselves, we fear vunerability, we fear getting thrown in the raper man van with a pillow case over our heads, taken to a place we dont know, and left for dead, with no one to care for our children… That is what we fear… I think the condom can give the woman wearing it a secure feeling, but then would it be rape… I could imagine a woman thinking …” U want this *&^^%?…. U want some of this &%^$%^? Come get this *&^&^% then…. and at that point… would it still be rape? For some reason, I believe the vicitm of the new “penile pulverizer” is going the be Umuoru.. the villiage ladies man.. while Mklenha is at home tending to their 13 children, all under the age of 13, cooking, cleaning… watching the sun come up while she waits for Unmoru to come home, she hatches a plan to teach her lovely husband a lesson…
And is there an online site where I can get me some of these things? Perfect novelty to give as gifts to my girlfriends on our next ladies night out!
Totally agree with the analysis. Well said.
Is there a deterrent for rape,,,,,, I think so. Death!!!! Here in the USA many years ago, settlers had a problem with horse thieves. The law was unable to handle most cases in the newly growing western frontier. It ran wild and without mercy, thus the name of the Wild West. After some time, they passed into law to steal a horse was punishable by death. It came to a grinding halt!!! Rapist must die!!!
The liberal minded would argue the fact that this could be used in the worst way of settling old vendettas and creating new ones as well. I would agree to a point in this logic. There is one thing however that I choose to believe beyond all else. If every man on this earth knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that if convicted of rape, He WILL BE KILLED, statistics would drop so fast it would make our heads spin. Would it stop all together, maybe not but most wouldn’t risk it.
I’ve traveled to several countries and observed many cultures. Loosing your tong for lying, your hand for stealing, your foot for running and the list goes on. In japan, if you’re caught drinking and driving under the influence of alcohol, you’ll be driven out of town and forced to walk back under gunpoint and batons (small bats).
Women or men should never be subjected to sexual assault but it’s here and if laws don’t get real teeth that make a differences, then it keeps on going and the risk becomes greater. People can rationalize anything to satisfy what they want, but if the laws changed to what I am proposing, then it wouldn’t be a matter of doing time but rationalizing their own death.
This is horrible. A lot of horrors here: The horror of protection coming at the level in which a rape is actually committed. The horror of actually considering anyone putting anything with sharp teeth in their most intimate area (you got to rely on quality craftsmanship, first of all) . Then there is the horror of other elements of a sexual assault beyond actual penetration. My thinking is that the rapist will punish a woman for such a contraption. Will he try to scar her in the same way or worse? Scar her beyond the attack and the rape itself? The victim is at the mercy of her assailant if the assailant could get that far to be harmed or hurt by such a contraption. The entire product and line of thinking is foul, horrific and terrible. I also agree with Champ in terms of questioning in the very least the mind of someone who thinks this ‘ish up? In none of this is prevention, protection, education, victims rights, services… anything? This is all types of foul on so many levels.
This is conjecture, but if I’ve got spikes embedded in my d*ck, I’m not going to be doing much of anything but crying. I understand adrenaline is powerful, but my understanding is the more you pull away from the device, the deeper it becomes embedded.
That made me grimace just typing that.
I see your point, Shay, but wouldn’t someone sick enough to commit rape be sick enough to attack again and try to retaliate? I hate thinking about it, but I seem to recall victims saying they got bashed in the head or had a gun pointed at their head if they tried to clamp down on an assailant during forced oral. This is so disturbing…
I’d like to think the shock would give the chick a moment to escape/bash the guy over the head with something, though this made me think of something else…
Rape, sexual assault, acts of these nature aren’t necessarily about lust- then they are about power and control. Sex offenders who have been chemically castrated can still assault a person….with objects and stuff of that nature.
goodness, made me tear up a little just reading that.
There probably isn’t a way to explain those scars away either. “Well see Fabeni, I was once a troubled man. I did some bad things. I’m a new man now and those scars just remind me to …..Fabeni? Fabeni? Come back….”
I’m trying to laugh at SOMETHING to keep from crying…cotDAMN that’s gotta hurt.
That was my first thought as well. If a rapist gets a miniature bear trap stuck on his penis, what are the odds he will severely injure her or kill her? Probably fairly close to even. I imagine even get caught with one these contraptions could invite a beatdown and punitive rape if they were to become popular enough.
I’m not suggesting that women just bear the horrific crime that rape is, nor that women shouldn’t take preventative measures to protect themselves, and not even that women shouldn’t want to or be able to exact some type of revenge on their attacker, but the most effective change agent has to come at an institutional level.
but how would it ever get to the “institutional” level…. Rape has got to be one of the most difficult crime to punish.. it is hard here, so one could imagine how difficult it would be in south africa
I thought this was old?
I actually spoke about this back in ’06 as part of a paper assigned to me to get to know South Africa better prior to doing research there.
With the prevalence of rape in SA and the threat of HIV/AIDS, I can understand where it comes from. While I was in South Africa, I ended up dating one of the Zulu nurses we worked with, and she confided in me that she feared being raped more then death. Her words verbatim were “If they were going to rape me I’d prefer they just kill me instead so I don’t have to live with it.” My understanding while I was there was that rape was a much more frequent occurrence then suggested by that statistic.
As mentioned before, the spikes are curved and can it can only be removed in a hospital setting, so it identifies the rapist, in a country where often where these types of crime are unreported or not followed up on.
@Shay
First, welcome back! I don’t think I’ve seen you in a while.
Second, as much as I want to visit South Africa I can’t imagine living in a place where I’d be in fear of rape on a daily basis. The notion of it alternately enrages me, turns my stomach and breaks my heart.
Thank ya kindly…crumb snatchers have been running me ragged. Between that and my corner on Georgia Ave, I’ve been busy lately.
As much bad press as SA gets for crime (specifically Joburg), I would move there in a heart beat. A guy I befriended while I was conducting research offered me land in Swaziland, and I plan to take him up on his offer after I’m a fancy a*s doctor and sh*t.
I wondered around South Africa and spent Christmas there in ’06 alone (while catching up with friends I had made while doing research). I’ve got fond memories.
If i were you, living in a far away country whose only perspective of South Africa (or any other African country it would seem) is media reports, loosely strewn stats and Oscar-hungry renditions i too would be hesitant about moving here…let me just say, pay S.A a visit then tell me afterwards you’d never even consider moving here.
If i were you, living in a far away country whose only perspective of South Africa (or any other African country it would seem) is media reports, loosely strewn stats and Oscar-hungry renditions i too would be hesitant about moving here…let me just say, pay S.A a visit then tell me afterwards you’d never even consider moving here.
EXACTLY!!
in fact, the more i think about it, the more i’m reckon VSB owes south africa a shameless puff piece about what a gorgeous holiday destination it is, and lovely place to live, etc etc.. heh heh….
i know these are important issues to talk about. it just tires me that the conversation in the media space about SA is ALWAYS about the crappy sh!t that goes on. That’s a large part of why i comment on forums like these, to show people ‘look at me!, i’m a south african, living in south africa – and having a perfectly normal life!! it’s not all bullets, famine, crime and rape like you see on telly! i too, stress about ‘normal things’ like growing my business, i take my sisters kids to the zoo, go on dates with exciting new prospects, meet up with my girls over chardonnay and strawberries, b!tch and moan about trifling men, etc etc…”
and despite that the stats say i stand a high chance of getting raped, believe it or not, i do NOT live in fear, this is NOT on my mind 24-7…. there’s a WHOLE LOT more to SA than this, i promise
@sisanda and Superwoman
To be clear I didn’t say I wouldn’t visit South Africa. I just said I wouldn’t move there. I’m not scared to travel and South Africa is still in my top 5 must-see places. Every country has its problems and I recognize that.
Sorry if you were offended by my comment because that wasn’t my intent.
@ MsEsquire66 don’t be silly man, i’m not offended at all…infact here i’ll even offer to rub your nipples (that’s a traditional thing we got going here to resolve misperceived shots)
like i said, if i were in your position sheeeeeeiiiit i too would be a little scepticle, i don’t care what the Travel Lady says i’m still not considering going to visit Iraq.
infact here i’ll even offer to rub your nipples (that’s a traditional thing we got going here to resolve misperceived shots)
This made me die of laughter…
I usually am exhausted trying to “rectify” any ideas someone might have of my place of origins… Stereotypes and preconceived ideas die hard… and like Sisanda said, with the elements most have to go about/on, yes it makes perfect sense to “fear” moving to any country that is not the US of A…
Ultimately, the only testimony I can give about my place of origin is to be me to the fullest extent… People who will get to know me (and my place of origin…. he he he, I like that phrase) will eventually realize that it’s not all darkness and sh*t… Then again, the darkness IS a reality, just like the inner cities are a reality or racism is a reality… And rape unfortunately happens all over the place…
I thought this was old?
I actually spoke about this back in ‘06 as part of a paper assigned to me to get to know South Africa better prior to doing research there.
its been in the works for a few years (decades actually), but now it’s actually being sold to the public
its been in the works for a few years (decades actually), but now it’s actually being sold to the public
A few decades?!?! How about educating men on why it’s f***ing wrong to rape rather than develop this crap for a few decades. Me confused.
like men don’t know rape is wrong *side eye*
@Yeah…So
***Ducking side eye via James Bond dive roll. Adjusting tux.***
Oh they know it’s wrong but the police, elected officials, mommy and daddy, and who ever the f*** else needs to step up and instill the value of women to little boys. That’s what I meant. This sh** can be stopped if the proper effort is put forth. 28% isn’t a problem it’s a f***ing epidemic. Reactionary efforts like booby traps (which is what this is) don’t solve epidemics…
yeah I get it Wu… my issue really is that people always think they can solve a problem… sh!t like racism, terrorism, rape… serious you really think you can stop TERRORISM WTF?(that’s another post) I’m sorry to say this but uh the mere fact that we’re even discussing remedy like it’s a cold or something is belittling the state of the very very F!CKed up human condition. People are sick creature point blank. Rape has been going on for a long time, much like murder, stealing, adultry… everything we come up with is just gonna be a bandaid. I say be a good person, teach your kids to be good people (maybe buy your daughters an aXe condom) and pray for the best.
I agree it can’t be stopped but the it’s the prevelance that’s bothering me. Great analogy with terrorism btw.
” say be a good person, teach your kids to be good people (maybe buy your daughters an aXe condom) and pray for the best.”
I agree with this too but if I ever have a little girl I’d rather have a knife. So she can give any dude who attempts it the jig-saw puzzle treatment.
“I agree with this too but if I ever have a little girl I’d rather have a knife. So she can give any dude who attempts it the jig-saw puzzle treatment.”
Why did this remind me of the protection scene in Face Off.
Butterfly knife in the thigh sweetie… remember to twist so the wound won’t close.
Real talk… not a bad idea ~JS
@ Wu Young… or you could teach her how to be a BA assassin like Kick Ass (which was a great movie btw). THAT would be awesome!
I can hear myself saying “No Lily(future daughters name), never stab a man in the ribs. Your knife will get stuck.”
@Wu Young,
This sh** can be stopped if the proper effort is put forth.
I keep reading this, and I want to know what is the proper effort?
@Sulu,
“I keep reading this, and I want to know what is the proper effort?”
I’m good at owning up to my own bullsh**a** opinions and I’ll do so right now–I don’t know what the “proper effort” is but what I do know is that 28% of men admitting that they’ve raped is not acceptable. Those are Mongol Hoarde numbers and it’s 2010! Someone, somewhere in the South African gubment who gives a damn (maybe no one does) needs to find and put forth a proper effort! A barb studded female condom is as much as a “proper effort” as BP shooting old tires and golf balls at that oil well. That’s all I have for you Sula.
I meant @Sula not @Sulu
***Kneeling, hanging head, awaiting ring to kiss.***
@ Wu Young… Bwahahaha @Sulu… Phew I needed that.
Of that 28%, I wonder how that breaks down to stranger rapes vs. rapes of someone they know, ie close or extended family member, date rape, a friend, a boarder, a lady friend’s daughter, etc.
Realistically, unless a girl or woman is setting a trap for someone she knows who has raped her before and knows he’ll do it again, I can’t quite see a young woman spending the money on a new axe condom every day in case a stranger rapes her, although I must say that in a gender-mixed homeless shelter or refugee camp, she might if there’s a big rape problem there, and she could afford it.
I also am concerned that a rapist would kill a woman once the pain hit, and depending on the circumstances, make up a lie (such as she was a prostitute who planned to rob me) and that it was consensual. In that scenario, the paternalistic courts might dismiss the murder charges if he even got caught.
What a sobering story. Guess I won’t ever visit there, not that I had planned to anyway.
Of that 28%, I wonder how that breaks down to stranger rapes vs. rapes of someone they know, ie close or extended family member, date rape, a friend, a boarder, a lady friend’s daughter, etc.
good question. i don’t know if the dynamics of rape there mirror the ones here (from what i understand, the majority of rapes are done by people the victim knows). does anyone have any info about that?
Guess I won’t ever visit there, not that I had planned to anyway.
what a pity. ours is a fantastic country, and we’re about MUCH MUCH more than rape. check out all the ‘OMG, South Africa is sooo great, we had nooo effin’ idea!” coverage from the Soccer World Cup tourists.
we have our problems, but they pale in the face of the magnificence of our country…. as someone downthread below said in response to my post, “SA sounds very much like detroit”. these issues are not unique to South Africa, guys….
Co-effing-sign! Been to SA (how beautiful is Cape Town BTW?). *And* I know I barely scratched the surface. On the one hand, it’s reasonable to be skeptical about a place when all that seems to be reported is negative.
On the other hand…. there is soo much news from a first hand perspective on and from SA that reports on what SA is like (warts AND good stuff).
But! more importantly- will it be Algeria or will it be the USA? The tension! The tension!!!!
On the one hand, it’s reasonable to be skeptical about a place when all that seems to be reported is negative.
YOU SEE THIS, VSB???? YOU SEE, YOU SEE??? there’s a real point there – reminds me of chimamanda ngozi’s speech about ‘the single story’. watch the magnificence on http://www.ted.com/talks/chimamanda_adichie_the_danger_of_a_single_story.html
i want to introduce a new story about South Africa into the media space, i swear…. so tired of the ‘rape! crime! political instability!
you guys owe South Africa a puff piece!!! START A NEW STORY!!!
Yeah. So I don’t want to flog a dead horse. Or be an apologist for stuff that is not right, but what irks me is that people don’t often unpack news from “Africa” (shotgun in mouth, kill me now!) . We unpack news from the USA and we weigh it and figure out what it means to us e.g. since B-more has already been singled out, I’ll go with that. Reading “Murder Ink” in Baltimore’s free paper, I am still able to be aware of the fact that Baltimore is NOT Towson, neither is it Ellicot City. And I am also still able to distinguish that while it may be imprudent to visit some parts of B-more, I can still watch a movie at the Charles Theater. And I’m not too sure what we’d make of a Canadian who was Montana-bound being scared of drive-bys. We’d consider him or her ???? (fill in the gaps).
The only generalizations I can make is that the continent is not the country. And the country is not homogeneous. Just like the US is not homogeneous. So yeah, in all things be prudent. But also look at the whole- and not just aggregated info.
Don’t be so sensitive about the “HOME TOWN BASHING”, Hell, I live in NEW ORLEANS righ here in the United States of America …. Hellooooooooooo. When was the last time you heard anyone say anything that refers to New Orleans in a positive fashion outside of music and food??? Anybody? Any takers?? Hello? Even before Hurricaine Katrina and the Gulf Oil Spill, New Orleans has always had a reputation for crime and corruption, a place where all dirty deeds can be done. I am not in denial, and there is a lot of truth to those horrific stories that the media potrays about N.O. My roots are in this town, and if it wasn’t for the insurance paying off my home and rental proerties, I would have never come back after the “storm”. New Orleans has always been a Renissance city, full of cuture and beautiful things, but that doesn’t have anything to do with the school system being one of the worst in the country, the city having the highest per-capita murder rate, and wether or not anyone would want to pack up and move here.
Besides that, no one is Africa bashing, but lets not pretend that any person of color would not have better oppertunities. in the western part of the world. A black woman still doesn’t mean much in America after civil rights have been legalized, womens lib movements and affirmative action has been established to protect our rights. So no thank you, I’m not ready to move to South Africa, BUT I have been looking for a a nice place to travel, and have holiday with my daughter…. I have always wanted to visit South Africa
@Laneianna,
but lets not pretend that any person of color would not have better opportunities. in the western part of the world.
I am not sure how accurate that sentence is… I think the “any” is what bothers me… Because as an Ivorian woman (that’s in Africa for those who don’t know), I do think that my chances at a more fulfilling life are greater on my home soil… and that I will make a greater impact on my home soil than I would in the US… Thus, I am eagerly going back on the home soil… and trust me life has been good here as well, but it’ll be better on my home soil… and there is no “insurance” and government paid rent awaiting me either…. But…maybe that’s just one exception to the rule (or 2 if you want to count Super Woman)…
Does the western world in general have better infrastructure, and access to education, and access to fair trial and all those other indicators of a “developed country”? For sure, they set the indicators… Does the western world provides me (Sula or Sulu as Wu has rebaptized me) with better opportunities at happiness than my home country would? Nope. So let’s not wet blanket based on our understanding of a place garnered mostly through media and documentaries… It reduces the dialogue and contrives the very important discourse happening….
I’d wear the Rape aXe. As a matter of fact I’m going to track down the inventor and order a years supply. Yangs BEWARE!!!
I just read this in my post birthday party drunken stupor, and the “portable p*ssy piranha” line has done me in
. But seriously I wouldn’t want that thing anywhere near my nether regions, but I think it’s a great invention, like your tag says that truly is getting mideval on somebody’s azz. Rapists are truly lower than low.
lol, i’m sorry for deading your birthday high. i probably should have warned everybody yesterday that this was coming
It’s all good. I won’t throat punch you.
Today that is…lol
I just skimmed the RapeAxe website and Wikipedia to catch up because this whole concept is new to me. According to Wikipedia “The Rape-aXe is a latex sheath embedded with shafts of sharp, inward-facing barbs that would be worn by a woman in her vagina like a tampon.” Huh say what? So are women supposed to insert and remove them as often as a tampon? Are they wearing them all the time on the off chance that they might be raped? Are they holding off their attackers and inserting them right before the rape?
It just doesn’t make sense to me. Did I miss something?
Co-sign. I was thinking the exact same thing. At what point during getting raped am i supposed to put this thing in?
If it’s always there, does it have some sort of button you press to activate it? Go-go gadget man-eating-vagina?
Does penetration “activate” it? If so, what about the dude that I actually wanna have sex with?
I just don’t understand.
Also, how do I remove it? If it latches onto a penis, won’t it latch onto my fingers?!
The article states that it can only be removed from the man’s penis by a physician and a woman can wear it up to 24hrs. It also suggests that she wear it when attending certain events or places serving alcohol and large groups of men are present or when she knows she be traveling in dimly lit areas at night.
But sadly some of the women are also raped by family or someone they know…and unfortunately she is frowned upon…or made to feel that she could have prevented it from jump.
she’ll be…
Maybe it has a hidden string to pull…?
Ha! at the Inspector Gadget reference….
Like Go-Go gadget Ninja Na-na!!!
Even better if it comes with a kung fu grip.
Sans the ninja blades…and you’ve got one helluva concoction, huh? ( LoL)
hi…i’m normally a lurker, but this topic hits home…
as legitimate_soul pointed out, i can’t see this as being anything but allllll the way bad for women who use it. having been sexually abused myself i can say that the men who do this aren’t even in their right minds. in fact most rapes have nothing to do with sex per se, but for other reasons (instilling fear, for power, or as mentioned before, the belief that it can cure AIDS).
anyway i’d imagine most men who find themselves…uh…skewered…would probably become so angry they’d continue the rape anyway and/or batter the woman. remember too that so many men do this that it won’t be hard to find crooked doctors or police who remove this for the men, or even rapists finding ways to remove it themselves.
good concept (i think, sorta), #epicfail on the execution…
1. e-hugs to you girl
2. i agree 1000%. good-ish concent, EPIC FAILTALITY on the execution. for several reasons…
-what’s to stop the man from using an object in her first to test out and see?
-what’s to stop the man from escalating violence once he knows he’s been trapped.
3. this perpetuates all sorts of wrong. that sexual assualt is a sexual crime all and ONLY about sex when 99% of the time its violence and power. it also places ALL the responsibility on the woman (emotional, psychological and physical) to prevent a crime happening to HER. how bout we try to figure out why 28% of men had no problems admitting to raping someone (knowing fully well that the number is higher). In North America, only 4% of sexual assault cases are reported.
I get what men are saying, if something is latched on (painfully or not), they will be too distracted to care about the woman, giving her an ‘out’ so to speak.
I get the idea of it in theory. But that’s they only time it will work.
I also need to stop reading msg boards sometimes. The article about this on CNN was full of dudes who posed this questions: what’s to stop a vengeful girlfriend/wife from using this.
SMH…ugh. Im going to bed now.
bed..but not before spell checking after the post.
concept NOT concent.
allow me to echo the sentiments of my dear friend keisha brown( hey gurl),
e-hugs to the 10th power & that’s not even enough.I can’t even begin to imagine the HORROR, but am deeply sorry for your experience , and it saddens be beyond words, truly.
*me-oops sorry comments before coffee =no bueno
@ bajan-ooman!!
wha gwan!!
me deya a wuk…UGH…dem tryin fa keep mi down, yaknow??? stinkin brutes dem….
yuh need to dem fi codl demselves!!! (codl aka come out di lane!!).
welcome, lovelifelive, and thank you for sharing.
raising hand…i have couple of questions?
1. am i suppose to wear this everyday with the anticipation of getting raped?
2. does it come 3 in a box or am i suppose to take this thing out everynight before going to bed and hang out to dry?
3. what if a rapest comes into my home in the middle of the night?
4. if im in the club p-popping do i run the risk of cutting myself?
5. not to be too TMI but what about during that time of the month; do rapest not rape during that time of the month?
this is obviously a stupid idea of epic proportions. as someone else stated upthread this is clearly a marketing strategy that plays on the fears of people; if it’s even true. i’m done…you may resume.
@#3 – flamethrower.
all these questions are why i, and i suspect, most south african women, will never use this thing.
in any case, as with many rape cases – a lot of the time, the rapist is someone you know – family/friend/boyfriend….
*shivers*
….I don’t know what to think of it really; besides the desperation these women probably feel in order to go to such drastic measures. I mean, really…how can I really speculate on what should or shouldn’t be? I’m not going through what a lot of women who reside there are experiencing. Folks barking at one woman’s invention which was brainstormed from something as little as a safety seal around the spout of a bottle cap, simply out of desperation and compassion for women who are faced with such a reality.
Heck it beats inserting a razor blade, as one woman puts it… (which is not very sanitary) inside of her contraceptive sponge, which is then inserted into the vagina walls and covering her cervix…a razor blade??? <<<—- Desperate measures speaks volumes. So I can't even much (yep ee'm much) open my mouth and tell another woman how NOT to protect herself, since she's the one dealing….
I love that t-shirt slogan regarding the choppa condom though: "Try Me Now".
However, I do see the consequences this could/will probably lead to, in the woman's defense.
((hugs)) sis…
I had many of the same thoughts.
How desperate could a sista be to put razor blades in the holiest of holies.
Scared out of her freakin’ mind… I get it… I really do ~JS
this contraption was introduced ages ago here, (south africa) and it wasn’t taken up at all, i suspect because it’s just so ridiculous – i mean, i haven’t even bothered to look it up, because i really don’t think it deals with the issue.
south african women want PROPER responses to the scourge of sexual violence against women, not these senseless toys that are impractical and by the looks of it, extremely uncomfy…
i mean, am i HONESTLY expected to insert that thing into my vag EVERY DAY and EVERY NIGHT that i live in SA?
@superwoman
What are your gun laws there?
“I don’t know what to think of it really; besides the desperation these women probably feel in order to go to such drastic measures. I mean, really…how can I really speculate on what should or shouldn’t be? I’m not going through what a lot of women who reside there are experiencing.”
this is something i thought a bit about last night. i mean, its easy for us to criticize, but the majority of us here don’t have any idea of what its like to live like that.
still though, this invention just seems like someone trying to put a band-aid on breast cancer.
Yeah…its definitely extreme and it doesn’t necessarily prevent being raped….I get that part.
But I’m just saying its better than doing nothing. I mean, the same folks criticizing are the same ones that ain’t doing isht about it nor worrying…ya know? Bottom line…its about options….if you need em’. I can honestly say, I wouldn’t totally count that out if I were in that same position…I believe I’d truly consider it, but you betta believe, it would not be my only nor the main source of protection. So I’d at least hope these women would also explore other options as a backup or pack a little extra reinforcement. Folks should know better than to fully rely on such a contraption as a source of protection.
…and just to put it on out there I KNOW firsthand what it feels like to be taken advantage of sexually (as a child), though I refuse to allow it to define me; because a victim, or the mentality of one… I am NOT.
OMG Ms. B, I was all up & through here today (or I thought I was), but I hadn’t seen this “and just to put it on out there I KNOW firsthand what it feels like to be taken advantage of sexually (as a child), though I refuse to allow it to define me; because a victim, or the mentality of one… I am NOT.”- *My e-twin for a day, I heart you & admire your strength & wisdom to be able to do this …relaizing that this topic has touched so many of the lovely VSS’ers is startling indeed, today was hard to say the least & I am so glad that you have all of that wisdom, strength & (cooking skills) to lighten up a tad, cause seriously today’s posts have hit me at my very core * e-hugs & real love for you today Ms. B, skraik from my heart to yours* #NOLauraIzibor
bajanflchick,
I’m still scrolling through here reading and skimming the comments, so I just caught this. Just wanna say Awww….thank ya, miss! I wish I could have tuned in a lot more today….and I imagine a subject like this hits close to home whether folks can relate based on personal experience or merely internalizing the stories being shared. No need in harboring ill feelings…its all a process and I’m all the more grateful for it. Thanks again, gurl…
http://www.aolnews.com/world/article/south-africa-debuts-anti-rape-condom-with-teeth/19524138
^^^how in world did this get here??? Please skip this….dang, that must be my cue…might be about that time to hit the hay.
lol, whats wrong with including that link? considering the topic, it’s perfectly appropriate.
I was reading it, Champ….(had the page saved when I came up on it several days ago). I just didn’t remember copyin’ n’ pastin’….and subittin’…so I just charged it to being half asleep.
And although it is related, it just seemed a little redundant, that’s all. Lol.
sh*t, i could even envision an ad where ben roethlisberger or kobe are standing in a bathroom stall while a voiceover says ” rape-aXe…where “no” means “no problem”
Dead. Dead. Dead.
That’s hilarious. I’ll agree with you though Champ, WTF do you have to be on to come up with an idea like this?
That being said obviously the prevalence of rape in South Africa is horrifying yet I don’t quite know what to make of this….contraption. How do I know it won’t injure me when I put it in or take it out? Not to mention all the questions thatchic raised a few posts ago. What really kills me is damn near 1/3 of the men in S. Africa ADMITTED to being a rapist. The f*ck? Where’s Nelson Mandela and Desmond Tutu on this epidemic? If Nelson can get the whole country to rally around a soccer team he should damn sure be able to have some effect on the mentality of men toward women.
If my memory serves me correctly, a top government official raped his housekeeper in the last year or two. It was a big story in SA, I don’t remember anything coming from the rape.
if memory serves right, he was a diplomat in an asian country, and because of that idiocy called diplomatic immunity, got away with it….
then he died in a car accident in limpopo. poetic justice, i suppose.
coming from a neighboring country of South Africa i can understand why someone would think of something like this. rape over there is BAD, as a woman you have to constantly try and protect yourself by any means necessary because you live in constant fear of something like that. in some parts of SA if robbers rob you at night it’s almost a given if there are women present there they will rape them, it’s like they feel they have to. and one has to wonder at the HIV status of the individual, because if you’re negative why would you want to take the chance of forcing yourself on someone who might be positive?
anyway, i understand the reasons behind it but i think whoever ‘invented’ this thing should have consulted a woman , maybe a woman who has actually been attacked. i say that because i was almost a victim myself (ironically here in America) and i had to fight with everything i had to get away from the dude. he was about 6’5 and weighed roughly 280-300lbs. i’m 5’3 and weigh 120 lbs. even though i have a red belt with a stripe (that’s the one before black) it took everything i had and then some to prevent the rape,and i think we are all aware that in general men are waaaaaay stronger than women in the physical department. with that in mind i can’t exactly see a window of opportunity where i could have slipped it in,at the same time i don’t think it’s wise (health-wise ) to put it on and keep it in the vagina for hours/days/weeks at a time…
just my two cents…
No joke… enrolling daughter in martial arts class tomorrow.
Sorry for your experience sis… I am just thankful that you had a skillset that animal ~JS
thanks Jhane, but i hope you know it’s not necessarily a guarentee that she will be able to prevent it but it is a safety measure nonetheless.
No there is no guarantee… but it is a survival tool.
I haven’t been raped but I have come close and had to clock a knuckle head or four in my day.
As someone mentioned its about sex its about power… and they were… I thought at the time “nice guys”.
I’m 5’10 and I boxed before it became fashionable.
So those dudes weren’t ready… at all… for what I was puttin on them.
But I wonder sometimes what if.
Because they weren’t playing, and my daughter won’t be 5’10 with the heart of a lion….; she’s just a different type of chick.
And she needs to be protected.~JS
“I haven’t been raped but I have come close and had to clock a knuckle head or four in my day.”
isn’t it sad that so many of us vss’ have probably had this experience?
and the shameful part is that because we are smart (educated, street smart, common sense), we still internalize it (at least i did), blame ourselves for allowing it to nearly happen.
i went to volunteer for a rape crisis line and was profusely grateful that my experience didn’t turn into anything worse.
@yayo – the inventor actually did consult a rape victim. if my memory serves me correctly the inventor worked at a clinic of some sort and had a patient who said something along the lines of “if only i had teeth down there” and that’s where the idea came from.
….and to be perfectly honest, this doesn’t even trump the millions of little azz girls who are forced by THEIR PARENTS to undergo genital mutilation and sewn together in order to prove how pure they are. God forbid they object or are raped (by anyone to include family) and her father can consent to an honor killing or dayum well do it himself. And this is going on in the states….on the family kitchen table?!?!….and some even have the nerve to ask their family physicians to perform such rituals….and if there’s no cigar….they take a family vacation back to their homeland and have it done there. I can’t imagine something like that going down next door to me or Mahad at the neighborhood gas station ordering his 8yr old daughter to go through something so traumatic.
So as shocking and saddening as it may seem… as it pertains to the rape-axe condom….at least its (obviously) only painful for the transgressor and will therefore leave its mark on him…not to mention these are much older young ladies making a conscious decision to protect themselves by whatever means they feel necessary instead of being punished for their lady parts (either way you slice it) pun intended.
http://abcnews.go.com/WN/WorldNews/female-genital-cutting-affecting-young-girls-america/story?id=10859231
I had a discussion once with my man about genital mutilation.
He said “I stay out of other folks cultural sh*t.”
He agreed that it was tragic… by western standards… but that was what they deemed “right”.
I guess as a woman… and reformed humanities major with a minor in women’s studies… I can’t be okay with that.
It ain’t really worth a fight… he is a good dude.
I even get his perspective…
He is a man and ain’t nobody talking about cutting off his dyck.
But girl I wonder… wonder for real… if this was little boys would we be in different.
Or is it because we are brown people and globally disposable.
I need to go to be… for real ~JS
I think perhaps there may be a difference in how men think, in his mind he is thinking in terms of what to do about it, if it is in another country then the only things that could work would be invading and stopping it by force and or sanctions which starve people into acting differently, which he probably thinks is out of the question.
“He is a man and ain’t nobody talking about cutting off his dyck.”
Genital mutilation of male children is an ongoing phenomenon in America. It goes by a more technical term, circumcision. At birth, the child undergoes a procedure where the skin of the penis is cut away, leaving his most sensitive part, the head, exposed.
Yes, the preceding statement of mine seems a bit dramatized whereby to us, in our culture, it’s no big deal. It’s a commonly accepted and defended practice. Imagine if other cultures saw this as barbaric. I was in D.C. and there were protesters on Capitol Hill talking about how painful it is and how it negatively this impacts male children, to which I responded, “I’m circumsized, and I’m ok with it.” I had a point with all this, but it escapes me now.
Oh yes..,..
My point is, just as we find this practice acceptable in our culture, they see their way as acceptable in theirs. There are complications with circumsision as there are complications from what they do. We defend our act of genital mutilation by saying it is the more sanitary choice and a sanitary way of life is our culture. They defend genital mutilation by saying simply that it is there culture to preserve the purity of a woman. Why are we right, but they are not? FYI, I am not defending their practice, but merely posing a differing perspective.
@Cab
Given my experience with the little ones….I’m totally aware this goes both ways.
FGM in my eyes encourages or rather enforces chastity…by cutting away the entire clitoris to include an unseen shaft, which probably leaves somewhat of a deep hole….then it doesn’t stop there. The labia minora is sheered completely off…(there’s more)….then, the labia majora is folded over and sewn together with little holes pierced through the skin to allow the release of urine or her menses…but flat as the palm of my hand….and THEN once she’s married off (which is customarily to a distant cousin in a lot of cases) for five goats, three sheep and a partridge in a pear tree (yes, I’m being sarcastic)….her new husband is allowed the honor of piercing said incision with the head of his penis until she tears and the’re better be some blood on those white sheets or else somebody’s demanding a refund and she’s ’bout to be flogged and therefore shaming her family’s “good” name. And we won’t even get on some wives being forced to take it anally…we won’t.
…while and male circumcision has been linked to prevent:
-future infections contributing to some boys/men not properly cleaning in and/or around the foreskin (by pulling it back)…or constantly transferring bacterial diseases to his partner (from his own lack of cleanliness.
-and to prevent pain/complications during intercourse….for both the woman and man (since its been confided that some men who are not circumcised experience pain during the act, because the foreskin is difficult to pull back once the penis is erect).
So my point is I know this is more a cultural issue, but usually little boys are circumcised days after being born…and healed, with barely any recollection. And its a slim to none chance that the above procedure will have any negative effects in their adulthood…or future pain.
A woman’s clitoris being shaved off would be equal to a man getting his wood sniped off and being robbed of ever enjoying sexual pleasures in the future (married or not).
What you’ve described is pharonic (sp) FGC where everything is chopped off and in some cases, s e xu.al intercourse sometimes calls for literal cutting of scar tissue with knife or sword. The other calls for a cutting of the cleetorees (trying to not get moderated here) leaving the labeeya. In either case, both have been proven to leave significant psychological and medical harm to the female. The one thing I beg to differ about is the age of male circumcision. Culturally, in many ethnic communities from East, Central and Southern Africa this is an initiation into manhood so in most cases, where tradition is being followed you will find age-mates being initiated at roughly the same time mostly early teens- but age of attaining adulthood will of course vary from culture to culture.
@wooooooosah
The one thing I beg to differ about is the age of male circumcision. Culturally, in many ethnic communities from East, Central and Southern Africa this is an initiation into manhood so in most cases, where tradition is being followed you will find age-mates being initiated at roughly the same time mostly early teens- but age of attaining adulthood will of course vary from culture to culture.
What I’m referencing is male circumcision here…in the states…which is typically done when the child is several weeks old to 3months…give or take. It really depends on the parents…or maybe I’m simply speaking on most folks I know. But I know very few who’d wait until the child is 4 or 5 yrs old to have such a procedure done. Heck, my grandmother had ten children…and her youngest child (for whatever reason) was not circumcised until he was SIX. SIX??? He jumped and hollered each time he had to use the restroom and he still talks about it now. I believe it left somewhat of a mental/emotional scar…being that he’s able to recollect such an ordeal so vividly.
And after reading Ayaan Hirsi Ali’s book of Infidel….my above description was pretty much what I remember her saying she and her siblings went through….although her father and mother were against it, her grandmother was wholly responsible. And I believe they were between the ages of 5-10…I think.
Either way, I still believe all this hoopla surrounding this extreme for of “protection” is merely an option where folks can take it or leave it…while circumcision is pretty much mandatory…in some cultures.
I respectfully disagree with your sentiment. Circumcision makes the penis more sensitive whereas female circumcision/cutting of her genitalia is done to remove the clitoris effectively removing all pleasure for the woman.
I’m not convinced that you disagree. I said that it leaves the most sensitive part exposed (which translates to making it more sensitive via removal of the barrier to direct stimulation).
@Jhane Sez
But girl I wonder… wonder for real… if this was little boys would we be in different.
I understand….but all that came to mind when I read the above line was: Woman’s clitoris=Man’s penis. And I’d have to respond with a resounding YESSS. But since ain’t nobody worrying about getting their manhood wacked off (other than a eunuch)…I can see how male circumcision not raising as many eyebrows.
Gurrrlll, I can imagine the men reading this “cupping” their jewels the whole time with their legs crossed…(noHomo). I wonder how many times they’ve just stopped and stared at it? No worries. Its all there. LOL
“Gurrrlll, I can imagine the men reading this “cupping” their jewels the whole time with their legs crossed…(noHomo). I wonder how many times they’ve just stopped and stared at it? No worries. Its all there. LOL”
FGM… and of course it is forced… who would sign up for that… isn’t just sad it’s dangerous.
I remember the first time I read Nawal El Saadawi’s Woman At Point Zero I cried for the terrorized child and the woman who couldn’t love.
It’s ironic… yesterday’s conversation noted that sex was essential today we are mourning the women for whom it is impossible.
Thanks sis for the break down ~JS
@Jhane Sez
Yep, the irony I tell ya…
And naw, thank you….heyal, all y’all! LoL
I swear I learn something each time I log on….be it lurking or contributing. Just feels like the right place to be…another reason of why cot’dammit I luuhh dis… (translation: Dammit man, I love this) place! LMAO
Okay so I’m confused, how does this prevent rape? You gotta wear this daily in your va-ja-ja to prevent it right?! EWWW. Not sanitary.
As a man, I gotta commend whoever came up with this for not only taking some strange drugs but having one of those multi-tasking gone wrong moments in his head.
I get the feeling instead of having women pack these things inside of them they might as well hold onto a flamethrower just in case they feel trapped. Use a lever like batman does to get to the batcave to pop that flamthrower out and bow, it’s a wrap.
I mean, what happens if a guy wants to go consensual with a woman in South Africa but she’s been hurt too many times before or saw any number of African-American (USA) programming (like a Law & Order SVU episode) and uses that thing as a trap? What then?
Call Heckler & Koch tell them they need to get all over this.
Imagine…
A pink nine that blows flames… that’s the Heckler solution for sho.
(make mine apple green or put the chocolate brown mix in with the pink or light blue… I still gotta do me)
Bet a mofo would back off and others just might find their way home if they knew their lady was packin’ heat like that ~JS
Good taste in guns. I have a HK .45
@Shay where I come from an admission of an HK .45 in this context is akin to flirting… hope you a dude ~JS
Really now? Where are you from? I might need to take a trip… Women with good taste in firearms are as sexy as women that know how to drive a stick shift…very sexy.
Your entire post reeks of sexxy.(Rape excluded). Heckler and Koch(I prefer a 1911 as my .45 of choice, but this is America), and all around black bada**ness. Thank you.
1911 is my next handgun purchase as soon as I can afford it.
I’ve got a Sig 229 .40 cal and a Ruger P95 9mm. Both are too large for concealed carry. Any suggestions of something to easily tuck into the waist band?
@Shay
A well placed .45 acp round has prevented tons of dumb from happening for sometime now.
Paraphrasing Omar Little to Brother Mouzone “A .45, at this distance. Even I miss you I’ll hit you.”
@Shay
since Obama has been in office gun prices have been stupid. I’m shocked at the prices for guns and ammo
@Humble_One
That’s just good marketing on the part of gun makers and dealers. They are banking on the bulk of their ill-informed 2520 clients thinking Obama is going to take away their guns. As for the ammo, certain types are being given to the Big Green Machine due to Uncle Sam’s Misadventures in Central Asia. It’s hard as hell to find .223 ammo right about now.
@Caballeroso
Google a holster called the Crossbreed Supertuck Deluxe.
Awesome holster, and makes any handgun concealable. If it doesn’t, they’ll buy the holster back from you. It runs around $70 – $90 bucks.
This is a youtube video demostratinging the holster on the P95DC, a variant of the P95.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WoW9SPZ8xY
I’m sure they have something that’ll work for your Sig 229. The holsters are handmade.
@Caballerso
Nix that youtube link. Wrong one. I’m blaming it on the lack of sleep. My bad.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DEevHTduxQ
is a review of the holster with a P226, which is larger then a P229.
I have been itching to purchase a gun since moving to the DMV. As a female, you can’t be to careful walking the mean streets of the city. I have had numerous men follow me to my car, into buildings, or wait for me to come outside (had one nutjob try to follow me into the bathroom at a club to the point where security had to drag him out). You feel that you have to protect yourself (I refuse to insert the d*ck snatcher 2.0 into my vajayjay).
Recently I went out on a date with this attorney who seem like he had his stuff together (great personality, fun,nice firm, brownstone in Dupont Circle, etc) and I had a great time until we went back to his house where he became an octopus. I sitting here pushing this man who is 6’1 and at least 220 and I’m only 5’4, 135 and i was scared shytless. He was becoming more agressive the more I pushed so I had to make up some excuse and promised him that i would call him in the morning. He began texting me within 10 mins of me leaving apologizing but asking where i was. Definite nutjob…if I was packing ‘heat’ it would not have went that far (just would have had to pray that they gave me a bond)
@Jai
The only problem is that it’s illegal to conceal carry in the District. My NC conceal carry permit is valid for use in VA, but in MD, I have to apply for a non-resident conceal carry permit.
@Shay…there is always a shank…
@Jai
I’ve heard too many women tell that story. I really don’t understand how some men don’t have self control. When I hear stories like this I wonder how many women gave in or cosigned his aggressive behavior. If it didn’t work before he wouldn’t try it.
@Jai
So long as the blade is less then three inches, we good. I’m not sure if it matters if it is a folding knife or a fixed blade, though.
“Your entire post reeks of sexxy.(Rape excluded). Heckler and Koch(I prefer a 1911 as my .45 of choice, but this is America), and all around black bada**ness. Thank you”
A 1911… get the church fans ready Imma swoon into a dead faint if you boys don’t stop it.
Thanks and sh*t~JS
ETA…
I stan HARD for the Dark Knight ~JS
@Shay… I live in Chicago but my family (roots) are from the south… Memphis and New Orleans.
I’m so southern… I’m related to myself.
And I drive stick.
Word is bond ~JS
@Jhane Sez
I’m so southern… I’m related to myself.
And I drive stick.
*nod* Love it. I couldn’t help but chuckle…
I’m so southern… I’m related to myself
made me spit out my drinkb LOL
Well, I think that the cost of this device ($15 US I believe) is going to be prohibitive for most South African women, so most of these discussions are moot.
PS – I would rather risk a vaginal infection than possible rape. But thats just me. I can take something for the infection, not so much for the rape.
L
Borrowing from a response I read elsewhere, if potential rapists anticipate a potential victim’s use of Rape-axe, he may threaten her, or attempt an inspection of sorts, then commence with entry. Of course this renders the deterent’s use fruitless, but hey: it’s worth a try.
Personally, I think that I’d be driven to use Rape-axe if I were already a rape victim. I’ll even take a step farther: I’d become a vigilante, and assault my town’s known rapists, especially those known to infect women with HIV.
Hey, you asked.
Yeah, I imagine that if you’re trying to rape a chick and she puts up little fight….you may want to go head and turn your life over right around then.
On that note, giving women machete’s might be a better deterrent…
I love it! Im a man and I say every woman who feels she may be in a potential rape situation/location etc should have one! In fact, I say they should make a Rape-Axe 2- with a knife instead of teeth. Seriously, any man who rapes a woman should have his offending tool chopped off. effing bastards.
1. It’s my birthday, VSB!!!
2. Champ, could you have thrown a wetter blanket on my birthday? I think not.
3. I’m in Montreal, and I have had so much to drink already. I love it here. My fellow writers jumpstarted my bday with a tequila shot and lots of beers and i love them.
4. I’m horny. tmi?
5. Jeff’ (my new bf) is so far away from me right now and I’m lonely. Jeff’, if you’re reading this, why haven’t you skyped me yet? I have so much to show you. hehehehe
6. Dearest Gemmie & Ivy, thank you for bringing Jeff’ into my life. Without him, I would be sexually frustrated this summer.
7. I love you VSBs and VSSs, you bring me joy.
8. What was this post about? oh yeah, wet blankets. carry on…
Please allow me to be the first (no Cheekie) to say Happiest of Birthdays to You…..and please excuse the champ from pi$$ing on your born-day!
Happy Birthday! Enjoy your day and have fun!
Happy Birthday to you!!!! Enjoy your day!!!
Happy Birthday!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HAPPY BIRTHDAY!
Saks, Happy Birthday!!! Come back! I will give Jeff a call tonight and see why he hasn’t skyped you. I think he wants to save all his energy for your return.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Miss P!!!
Welcome to Canada!!! (even though you are 6.5-7 hrs away from me). I hope we treat you well! Montreal is known for the parte’s (the legal drinking age in the province is 18..). So I know it’ll be on and poppin!!
Happy Bday!!
Happy Birthday! Glad, we can pause from an important topic to celebrate something positive! *gets good food to send you to go with your dranks*
Happy, happy birfday, Miss Patterson!!!
Did your b-day present come in the form of a dude given to you by Gem, perhaps?
i live here in South Africa, i’m a woman, and i would never use this stupid thing.
i remember when they introduced it a few years ago, we collectively rolled our eyes and kept it moving. it’s impractical, it looks bloody uncomfortable, and it really doesn’t deal with the REAL issue – why South African men rape at such a crazy rate.
mind you, i say this as someone who’s surrounded with women who’re survivors of rape – just within my own circle of friends/relatives – those stats are very real, disturbingly so. it’s a strange thing living in South Africa sometimes – an amazing country, i’ve lived all over, and wouldn’t leave here for love or money – but there’s A LOT that needs to be fixed. the crime, the sexual violence against women and children, poverty, the inequality…there’s work to be done.
it’s interesting to me how we manage to kind of live normally within what’s really a very abnormal situation, and take as many precautions as possible to make sure we’re not victims – but the fact is, it can happen without warning at the most unexpected times. about two years ago, i survived a housebreak, managed to escape – and i remember that my own, and others reaction was “well, at least they didn’t touch YOU” – i lost my laptop, cellphone, wallet – bloody inconveniencing me for MONTHS, but was SO greatful not to have been hurt.
in many respects, we’re the most amazing country in the world – in others, we’re just horrific. it’s impossible to talk about this objectively, because this is my country – but when you have a high-level government official admitting that ‘yes, he beat his estranged wife coz she wouldn’t iron his shirt’ – and despite the widespread condemnation, he still retains his job… you know something is wrong at ALL levels of society.
what gives me hope is that, there is a constant and loud dialogue going on about sexual violence in SA. we have a lot of vibrant and effective civil society organisations and NGO’s (non profits) who keep the issue on the front burner… and on an individual basis, ordinary people are always dialoguing about this.
recently, a group of men started a campaign ‘brothers for life’ to promote responsible behaviour amongst guys. their catchprase ‘yenza kahle’ -means ‘do the right thing’ in isiZulu. they try to promote positive behaviour amongst guys – and i think this is where it needs to start -with guys, talking to guys. There are a lot of prison programmes talking to convicted rapists, and it’s amazing (but very telling) the attitudes they hold about women, and what a revelation it is to them to realise that ‘women actually ARE human beings’ and the devastation their actions visit upon their victims lives.
we have to change the way we raise our children – both boys AND girls. as women, we have to stop remaining in situations where abuse against women is normalised – too many women stay in abusive relationships, and we know how THAT cycle works. we need guys to talk to other guys about violence against women, and understand that it’s so profoundly wrong.
most importantly, we have to deal with the simmering anger amongst black South Africans that our 16 year old rainbow nation has not really begun to deal with. Mandela told the whites “you’re forgiven” and that was that. with hindsight, that was a colossal mistake, and didn’t even begin to address our issues…
okay, this has already turned into a blof on it’s own and i can hear myself rambling, so let me stop- got a to do today, and i could go on and on and on and on…
Sawubona usisi, kunjani?
ngi’ right, sisi – wena?
bhuti…umlungu actually.
I miss having someone to practice my isiZulu with.
Upon rereading this, I realized this could be confusing. I’ve been up all night working on getting my desktop back in working order.
I was in your lovely country and the surrounding areas for several months back in ’06 doing research. The zulus I met referred to me as umlungu, but I’m mixed.
or is it buti?
“what gives me hope is that, there is a constant and loud dialogue going on about sexual violence in SA. we have a lot of vibrant and effective civil society organisations and NGO’s (non profits) who keep the issue on the front burner… and on an individual basis, ordinary people are always dialoguing about this.”
@superwoman… a shout out to you sis… you are my new shero… (standing ovay)
If we can get knee grows together to sing about how they ain’t gonna play sun city an sh*t then can some SA sistas get U.S brothas to stand up and shame these ninja’s and say you a punk a** knee grow if you out there hittin’ it without consent.
Brothas stand up… please… we can’t do it alone ~JS
Brothas stand up… please… we can’t do it alone
AMEN.
and an e-salute to you.
thank you, thank you! we need to operate on the ‘each one, teach one’ basis…
“recently, a group of men started a campaign ‘brothers for life’ to promote responsible behaviour amongst guys. their catchprase ‘yenza kahle’ -means ‘do the right thing’ in isiZulu. they try to promote positive behaviour amongst guys – and i think this is where it needs to start -with guys, talking to guys.” -and this right here is so on point….as is the case with most abhorrent behavior, at the source , this needs to be reiterated ad-nauseum, til their ears bleed, til they realize that it could be their mothers, daughters, sisters, etc. and to echo your sentiments as well “most importantly, we have to deal with the simmering anger amongst black South Africans that our 16 year old rainbow nation has not really begun to deal with. Mandela told the whites “you’re forgiven” and that was that. with hindsight, that was a colossal mistake, and didn’t even begin to address our issues”- sometimes an apology just isn’t enough, APARTHEID , SLAVERY,, sorry just don’t cut it …and the invention of some death-grip condom isn’t the answer ..and keep fighting the good fight , stay hopeful & KNOW that there are a whole ton of us who have you & the SA people in our hearts & minds-*SIDE NOTE- you are my E-SHERO too {HUGS , and TIGHTLY CLENCHED UPRAISED FISTS to you……
thank you, thank you kindly!
@superwoman
The issues in Black South Africa seem similar to those in Detroit. The difference is that SA is a country not a city ran by Black folks. And we don’t have the Boers causing problems.
The issues in Black South Africa seem similar to those in Detroit.
they really are. i lived in NYC and Boston for a few years, and honestly, if it weren’t for the language/accents – there are so many similarities, it’s crazy – you’d think it’s the same place…
I was at a conference last week where i met a 7th grade girl from the Detroit school system… she was there to give a face to the growing school crisis in Detroit.
And she was fierce… her principal called her old soul.
She talked about schools closing, ridiculous bussin’ issues, kids being housed in buildings with no libraries, the swimming pool at one school had been closed for 10 years and put in use as storage for books.
I have been thinking about her and Detroit a lot lately.
I miss the motor city ~JS
Superwoman
most importantly, we have to deal with the simmering anger amongst black South Africans that our 16 year old rainbow nation has not really begun to deal with. Mandela told the whites “you’re forgiven” and that was that. with hindsight, that was a colossal mistake, and didn’t even begin to address our issues…
This crosses my mind when I think of south africa. How and When did you move past what was done? Never as I can imagine. It’s a mind thing and like you said alot needs to be done. I can’t imagine how hard it must be as I am an American who takes alot for granted…just saying. Thanks for your thread.
How and When did you move past what was done? Never as I can imagine. It’s a mind thing and like you said alot needs to be done. I can’t imagine how hard it must be as I am an American who takes alot for granted…just saying
it’s a process, but this is our country, our home, and we have to make it work. too much blood has been spilt for us to squander our hard-won for freedom.
as to how we move past what was done – i have an idea for you – ask your parents how they did it after the civil rights struggle of the ’60s – and the indignities they had to endure in an America where racism was institutionalised and legal. in many respects, the American and South African equal rights struggles stories are remarkably similar, with only about 30 years difference – and in most cases, you find that people just got on with the business of building their nation…what choice do they have, really?
So you would have to wear the piranha in your punana everyday, like just in case? What if you’re about to knock boots with a dude you consent to having sex with and you forgot you had it in there? No bueno…
…or (probably not pratical) a women who is mad at her man…shipped it over here (not trying to give any ideas) tells him she forgives him then….
Okay, help me follow the bouncing ball here. So, the ladies insert this contraption. When the rapist does his dirty deed…er, attempts to do his dirty deed, this thing comes out and it latched onto his d*ck? Is that what you’re saying here….
this is the thing!! i mean, considering that soooo many rapes are perpetrated by someone who is known to the victim – this won’t work. not to mention, even if it’s some stranger out of the night – what’s to say they won’t beat you up or kill you when they realise you have this thing up your vag?
sorry – i’ll elect to take my chances on the mean streets of ‘Gangsta’s Paradise’ as our region is known, rather than insert this thing….
This device may stop the act but if fails to prevent the act. This is a touchy subject that I refuse to delve into but I will say that the mental scars will last longer than the scars on the mans johnson. The goal is change the mindset of the would be rapist and prevent the rape not because he is afraid “Jawz” (no Karrine) is going to tear mess him up, but because the act itself is wrong (he wouldn’t want anyone doing that to any female in his family).
I remember reading that the sick f*cks are starting to rape children and infants over there because of the spread of aids. That mean they are gonna make this in a kids size? Perhaps put butterflies and bright colors on it so the kids aren’t scared of the Bare Trap you are about to lowjack them with?
You know I’ve read and heard of that too a while ago. What I’m confused about is that after raping a virgin you still have AIDS and others that have raped a virgin still have AIDS why hasn’t it been figured out that raping virgins doesn’t cure AIDS.
Word! Seems like a case of 1+1=2, but folks just keep holding out hope that it really equals 3…SMH
reading this article is like over-hearing a neighbour re-tell an account of domestic violence at your house, and you’re both embarrassed and hurt cause it did happen, but you feel this need to add perspective to the third-person’s recount
1)To say rape is Bad in S.A is to say Cancer is such an inconvenience, though unfortunately most of these rapes occur in the rural/informal sectors of the country.
2) Crime is crazy down here to, if you look at the Champs stats…there’s a large majority of the country whose lives remained financially unchanged in the post Apartheid “Reconciliation” process, so they’ve adopted a “By any means necessary” atittude.
3) White South Africans (generally speaking) are the most pessimistic, paranoid and self-righteous people i have ever met (the french aint got sh*t on them). The truth of the matter is they don’t beleive that black people can run a household yet alone a country, but they dare not say that aloud because it’s unfashionable. I only mention this to further say that most of the statistics from this country are polled by people who have pre-determined outlook, and arrange numbers to further that histeria.
4) Black South African’s (generally speaking) are some of the most entitled, masochistic, day-dreaming darkies on the face of the earth. They expect and beleive the goverment’s going to give them a better life, and once they realise it’s not going to happen they take what’s equivalent to the “Coke-game”.
As harsh as my assesment is, South Africa’s beauty lies within the minority. It lies within the those black South Africans who are more than dark-stain on CV, it lies within those white South Africans who do more than try to prove their remorseful for their ancestors actions, it lies within those South Africans who realise there’s a lot of cleaning up to be done but someone has to do it. It’s hard to see this crowd through the clouds of burnt tyres, it just takes a bit of patience to let it clear a bit.
“I only mention this to further say that most of the statistics from this country are polled by people who have pre-determined outlook, and arrange numbers to further that histeria.”
Exactly, I had a debate with someone over the statistics and actually looked at the report, and they surveyed a relatively small number of people in a few select areas of the country, which I thought wasn’t enough to make that statement about the whole country.
The problem there with sexual violence is horrific and shouldn’t be minimized but the reality is that if 1 out of 3 men literally were rapists who are free (not in jail) to talk about it then literally everyone would be getting raped. They all can’t be raping the same few women and I doubt they repeatedly rape the same woman unless they had a relationship with her.
“The problem there with sexual violence is horrific and shouldn’t be minimized but the reality is that if 1 out of 3 men literally were rapists who are free (not in jail) to talk about it then literally everyone would be getting raped. They all can’t be raping the same few women and I doubt they repeatedly rape the same woman unless they had a relationship with her.”
What is the penalty for rape in SA… what are the conviction stats.
I ask because it seems to me that numbers are high because there isn’t a consequence ~JS
reading this article is like over-hearing a neighbour re-tell an account of domestic violence at your house, and you’re both embarrassed and hurt cause it did happen, but you feel this need to add perspective to the third-person’s recount
Your analogies rock… You should def join the analogy committee of VSB.
I agree with Champ that women will have to be sacrificed in order to see the effects of or determine the relevance of this invention. By that time more women will be raped. Prolly not the best idea at the risk of yet more women victims.
On the other hand. . .
THE IDEA OF TEETH INSIDE, NEAR OR AROUND MY VAGINAL AREA….MKAY….NO.
There is an old Native American proverb that says “A nation is not lost until its women’s hearts are on the ground.”
It’s sad that women even have to resort to considering such measures to protect themselves. I don’t think the actual product is a good idea and I don’t think it is actually being marketed with the health of these women in mind. NOT REALLY with these women’s health in mind…. with all the money that went into product development, packaging and everything – - some different choices could have been made if the health and wellness of South African women was really at the forefront. Idk… sad but interesting post.
My thoughts:
Is some woman really going to walk around all day wearing this just in case she happens to get raped that day? If so, does it at least come in a model that’s ribbed for her pleasure?
How do we know that this contraption will work? Who in the lab at research and development volunteered to test it? How much did they pay him?
When the unsuspecting rapist notices that there is something extra there, is he going to dismiss it as “oh, she’s prepared, she’s already wearing a condom” or is it anticipated that he’ll be so enthralled in his pursuit that he won’t notice until it’s too late?
It appears to be made of plastic or glass, I think that would definitely get someone’s attention prior to insertion. If he realizes what it is, wouldn’t it make matters worse for her when he considers what she almost did to him?
Thinking like an American here, but will the rapist-turned-victim be able to sue for assault and battery or something? After all, it is premeditated so it’s not self-defense.
What’s their marketing slogan? “He’ll only rape you once!”?
Thinking like an American here, but will the rapist-turned-victim be able to sue for assault and battery or something? After all, it is premeditated so it’s not self-defense
How exactly is this assault and battery? The rape victim isn’t the one that intentionally touches the rapist against his will. Why would it be against the law to put whatever I want in my vagina. Those fences with barb-wire on them aren’t illegal. If someone was to trespass and cut themselves, the people that put the barb-wire up aren’t charged with battery.
I’m not a lawyer so perhaps “assault and battery” would not be the most appropriate terms for the rapist’s basis of litigation.
“Why would it be against the law to put whatever I want in my vagina. Those fences with barb-wire on them aren’t illegal. If someone was to trespass and cut themselves, the people that put the barb-wire up aren’t charged with battery.”
My frustration with the American justice system stems from the following: A burgular broke into someone’s house, injured himself, sued the homeowner, and won. A women ordered coffee from a McDonalds drive-thru, put the un-lidded cup between her legs while wearing shorts, was scalded, sued McDonald’s, and won. These are just the examples that immediately came to mind. If these people can win under those circumstances, I don’t think my question regarding the rapist is far fetched.
“My frustration with the American justice system stems from the following: A burgular broke into someone’s house, injured himself, sued the homeowner, and won. A women ordered coffee from a McDonalds drive-thru, put the un-lidded cup between her legs while wearing shorts, was scalded, sued McDonald’s, and won. These are just the examples that immediately came to mind. If these people can win under those circumstances, I don’t think my question regarding the rapist is far fetched.”
@Caballeroso don’t forget the dude on the east coast who kept getting his store broken into during the height of crack… crackheads kept coming through the transom or the skylight… can’t remember which.
He put up steal grates to block entry, and then added barbed wire, and when that didn’t work he hooked the whole thing to a car battery with jumper cables.
A crackhead breaking in got electrocuted, died… the family sued for wrongful death and the man was convicted.
So I totally get your point ~JS
“A crackhead breaking in got electrocuted, died… the family sued for wrongful death and the man was convicted.”
I didn’t hear about that one, but it certainly supports the point I was getting at. I was reading through the International Fire Code one day and saw that it is illegal to have anything purposely set up in your home that could injure a firefighter entering your home (i.e. trap doors, etc.). I wonder if that’s why he was convicted. As a volunteer firefighter I appreciate this. As an ex-military guy with some great ideas for surprising a burgular, I’m somewhat disappointed. As an engineer, I’m able to avoid the hood. As a Texas resident, I’m just armed.
@Jhame Sez & Callaberoso
I knew a guy that did a 2yr bid for beating a crackhead that broke into his house while he was home. Now that we can carry concealed weapons here there have been quite of few stories of burglars(not crackheads) and stick-up gets getting shot or killed trying to rob someone.
In SC if someone breaks into your house you can shoot them. (Last time I checked anyway.)
“As a Texas resident, I’m just armed.”
I knew I shoulda moved to Austin when I had the chance.
” I was reading through the International Fire Code one day and saw that it is illegal to have anything purposely set up in your home that could injure a firefighter entering your home (i.e. trap doors, etc.). I wonder if that’s why he was convicted.”
It was a really old case (1986) and all grown folks were talking about at the time… in my house the newspaper was required reading.
I googled it… here is an excerpt from the article and the link is below…
“Police said Hicks, a crack cocaine addict, removed several loads of discount clothing from the store and was killed when he touched the metal grate on his way out. He died clutching a $110 radio.
Rasheed, 43, said he was told the voltage would shock an intruder, not kill him. He was charged with manslaughter and setting a man-trap.
The incident touched off a wave of public sentiment and Rasheed even went to New York to appear on NBC’s Today show.”
http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/1986-10-13/news/0260210173_1_booby-trap-hicks-trap-set
In case you might want to check out the particulars ~JS
“basically, it’s west baltimore with shanties.”
Baltimore stand ya asses up! *gunshots*
/proudresident
“when you combine this dynamic with rampant unemployment, lawlessness, and a general sense of sexual recklessness, you have a country that shows you what would happen if you put all of america’s fear-based racial issues on crack, smack, meth, and mushrooms. basically, it’s west baltimore with shanties.”
Hey leave my hometown out of this Champ! My city is beautiful even if I don’t live there anymore (b/c of everything you mentioned)!
I don’t see how this will prevent rape. Like others have said once he penetrates that’s it. Depending on the type of rapist he is. I’ve noticed two kinds the lusting horny dude that can’t control himself and the psycho. I’m not a woman but rape is one of the things I HATE. I didn’t realize it was that big of an issue until I dated a few women that have been raped. I met all these women in my early 20s. I’ve also met dudes that admitted to “taking the p***y”. I can’t remember the number but I believe that 28% is close to the percentage of US women that have been raped. IMHO a lot of this is tied into chauvinism and women not being viewed and respected as equals. Rape is on my list of things I HATE along with pedophilia, and corporate exploitation. I despise the taking advantage of weaker people.
I despise all the things you mentioned along with Pimps etc
Its not just taking advantage of weaker people its violating people honey in a major perverse way, its about sick tiwsted form of control…Acquainatnce/date rape happens for more than most would ever care to imagine. Mofos harboring secret obsessions smh. castration should be the order of the day for rapists and child molesters.
@Orange Star Happy Hunting
I agree. All the women I’ve met that were raped were raped by somebody they knew. Prevention is the key to stopping this. Some men need counseling or psychiatric help. If you heard the things I’ve heard some men say you would be appalled.
Humble_one,
I despise the taking advantage of weaker people.
And this is why you are ole’ great one
amen and amen.
(this post is almost like a therapy session). I have had been slipped a ruffie at a club (I no longer accept drinks from people at club-like venues), and had it not been for my friend, I dont know what would have happened. I went from talking to dude, to not feeling good and him pulling one arm and my girl pulling the other and dragging me out the club. I attempted to jump out of her car while it was in motion (she grabbed me while driving) and completed passed out and ended up in the hospital. I always have to ask why…to ‘brag’ and say you h*t or because you think u didn’t have a chance with me by being yourself. Your mad because you want me and I don’t want you…GTFOH
(sorry about venting on your post). I don’t consider all circumstances to be them taking advantage of weaker people so much as them using control to victimize and weaken the person (whether physically, mentally, emotionally, etc)
@Humble_One
“I’ve also met dudes that admitted to “taking the p***y”.”
I heard this too and when the other men who were in earshot of them gave them the stink eye they looked puzzled like “what’s wrong with y’all lames?”
@Wu Young
““what’s wrong with y’all lames?””
My experience was similar. Everybody was looking at each other like WTF? These are the same dudes that say “she knows what she came here for” and “she’s asking for it wearing that”. These dudes are like barbarians. I don’t get why they’re so aggressive with women.
“My experience was similar. Everybody was looking at each other like WTF? These are the same dudes that say “she knows what she came here for” and “she’s asking for it wearing that”. These dudes are like barbarians. I don’t get why they’re so aggressive with women.”
@Humble, Jai and Wu… Thank you for bringing this up.
It starts early…
The first time a man offered me some d*ck I had just turned 12
It was Easter Sunday and in between services I was walking to the store by myself to get a pop… I thought I looked cute in my new dress with my hair did… yeah I was feelin myself
A grown a** man was standing in the door way on a busy street in broad day light offer to show me what he was working with…
And I screamed out of pure instinct… folks looked at me like I was crazy with that i don’t want to get involved look on their face
He went to reach for me but forgot his hand was still on his d*ck.
I never wore that dress again ~JS
Doesn’t seem very practical or comfortable for a women to insert and wear daily or like it would detere rape per say all it has to be is removed and then it seems like it would anger the sexaul deviant even more so…..walking around strapped with a nina would seem more practical, or at the very least a tazer or knife to taze/ shank a mofo, j/k no seriously LLS
I was thinking the same thing. Plus wearing that everyday increases our risk of infection. The flame thrower idea is not bad though. I would burn the eyes right off the man…then he wouldn’t be able to see nor find me. A nina aint bad either…and shanking never gets old.
nina aint bad either…and shanking never gets old.
(this is why you are a friend in my head)!!!
LLS!!! Hey you got to get gritty when its called for sometimes. like saving yourself from being victimized. I’m bout to buy me a tazer for real, and yeah I was thinking infection, Smart Fox Girl
Jai, you didn’t know you was my girl? C’mon patna
I keep seeing people so worried about making the rapist angry by getting caught in this contraption, but really, if I’m being raped, best believe I’m gonna do something to make his a** angry anyway (kick, scream, punch, throw sh*t, anything to get away). And while it does seem a little impractical to walk around with this thing inside me all the time, if I lived in a place where there was a 30% chance I would be raped that day, I think I would do that sh*t.
Anybody who would do something so foul deserves WHATEVER the f*ck happens to them, and furthermore, I’m sure the initial shock of getting your d*ck stuck in a bear trap would provide me enough time to give him a swift kick to the face and run.
Hi Ashley:),
To clarify, I could give a freak about the rapist being angry. My concern is the safety of the victim. If you are away from anyone to help you and to prevent this in the first place, dude getting caught by this contraption does not prevent the attack nor necessarily end it. This is especially true if it is a gang rape.
Who is to say the victim is still even conscious enough to get away? There are a lot of if’s and hypotheticals in order for this contraption to work. As many already pointed out it does NOT prevent the rape or the trauma from even occurring. Plus the idea that someone if getting paid cash money behind this is problematic too…
“if I lived in a place where there was a 30% chance I would be raped that day, I think I would do that sh*t”
Then you should be armed with one now because statistically speaking, here in the US 1 in every 3 women is sexually assaulted before age 18 and 1 in ever 5 males is as well. It’s not just SA where this happens. It’s just seen as “darkies acting out” there, where as here it’s something not talked about unless it involved children…and even then it’s dismissed
@ superwoman and sisanda , thanks for your comments. For me they put things into a more personal context. Although I make a point to stay aware of my surroundings, I can’t imagine living in constant fear. I also can’t imagine living in a society where it’s commonplace for men to disregard women in such a cruel way with virtually no consequences. The stories mentioned about the government officials raping the maid and beating the wife and remaining in office is unfathomable to me. Here, in the good ole U.S. of A. government officials who have consensual extramarital relations (regardless of how its defined Bill Clinton) with interns, homosexual affairs, and trysts with tramps while their wife battles cancer are put through the ringer in the media and online usually resign (sometimes by force) or are impeached.
I am not a hip-hop head by any stretch of the imagination but as I was read the post and comments last night and this morning, all I could think of was when Tupac said…
Since we all came from a woman, got our name from a woman, and our game from a woman, I wonder why we take from our women, why we rape our women. Do we hate our women? I think it’s time we killed for our women, be real to our women, try to heal our women. And if we don’t we’ll have a race of babies that will hate the ladies, who make the babies.
If my html tags worked correctly the bold parts really apply. And in the words of Eve (I watched her the Behind the Music last night), “Hey, yo I don’t even know you and I hate you*…How would you feel if she held you down and raped you”
you = rapists
@AtypicalLibrarian
“…How would you feel if she held you down and raped you””
A lot of the rapist have been abused themselves. Sexual abuse is a vicious cycle that continues as long as people are silent and font get help.
@Humble_One
True indeed.
you’re welcome. dialogue is important.
i really just want to emphasise something -i do NOT live in constant fear. i am careful, i am practical and cautious – but no, i am not perpetually frightened that i’m going to get raped.
although the media reports fly in the face of the idea, South Africa is really a great place to live guys…. but this ‘single story’ that i alluded to upthread has created one image of SA – we’re only referred to when it’s about the negativity – or lately, the gasps of shock from the media quarter that we’re currently hosting what’s been widely acknowledged as the best soccer world cup ever –
i’d really like us to introduce a new story when it comes to south africa…
http://www.ted.com/talks/chimamanda_adichie_the_danger_of_a_single_story.html
I didn’t mean to imply that you lived in constant fear. I just think anyone who would feel compelled to use the RapeAxe would seem to be a perpetually fearful individual and that I couldn’t possible imagine what that would feel like.
I love Ted Talks! *checking out your link now*
My concern is how was testing carried out for this? Were there men who volunteered to have s3x with a fleshlight that had this inserted? Perhaps a double blind study where it was randomly inserted in a random fleshlight and neither the men nor the researchers would know until someone got axed?
You are such a scientist. What you should be asking is how the stats were conducted. 5 years in science (that is all) has showed me, if you stats are good, you can make anything significant.
I tried to post something earlier but my PCS wasn’t Sprinting in the proper manner.
@Champ,
Flamethrowers are legal in S. Africa and you’re just now saying something. ***Opening Travelocity in another windows tab.***
This just seems like a revenge/fear based response to a heinous act. This poon piranha also assumes that Rapey McTakey didn’t/ do anything else horrible to his victims prior to attempted penetration. As a guy with two sisters this just seems like a dangerous notion.
I agree that rape and pedophilia are never justified (No Raylen). I don’t believe in the death penalty but these are the two crimes I think people should be shot in the street for. (Post conviction of course.)
What I think needs to be done is prevention. Teach little boys to respect and value women and maybe a change may occur. Why do men in S. Africa think this sh** is okay? Something is systemically wrong if the numbers of rape are this high.
Good post Champ. (I want a flamethrower.)
Allegedly you can fire an RPG in certain parts of SE Asia.
@Shay
Word! I can actually see that.
“@Champ,
Flamethrowers are legal in S. Africa and you’re just now saying something. ***Opening Travelocity in another windows tab.***
Good post Champ. (I want a flamethrower.)”
I die knee grow… I die… and co-sign ~JS
I don’t really see this device as a detterent, since once you’re inside the rape has already taken place. This seems to me to be more of a retalatory or revenge device. Yea, you may have raped me put now your d*ck is in a bear claw. I have never been raped or have a constant fear that I will, so I can’t really condemn a woman that feels that she may want to do something that may in the least bit give her some solace. If someone violated me like that I would probably want revenge.
So…what about the victims of rape who are NOT women? What are the statistics on men who are raped? What has been invented to prevent/protect them?
Just saying…as a rape-victim myself…it was only after dating a man who had been raped as a child that I realized all the statistics and talk is about women like me…but I cant remember ever reading about men like him and that must be horrible for other male victims…to not see themselves neither represented nor protected in the world debate on rape prevention.
(Fascinating topic and discussion…good on ya’, Champ!)
@Cassandra
” What are the statistics on men who are raped? What has been invented to prevent/protect them?”
Idk. What I do know is that me and most hetero dudes will not be walking around with a pirahna condom.
Also, many men that are raped won’t come forward and admit it. As hard as it is for some woman to admit being raped it is probably a whole lot worse for a man to admit.
That would be an example of child rape and/or child molestation which is a topic of discussion and studies.
“What has been invented to prevent/protect them?”
Guns, knives, baseball bats, Nikes (escape), right hooks, choke holds, throat punches, etc…
The concern is where it should be on people who, for the most part, are at a physical disadvantage, woman and children. Besides the man’s ‘protective device’ would have to go in a place most straight dudes don’t play with and… umm… NOOOOO!!!
@Cassandra
You bring up an interesting point. I read this article in the NyTimes a while back and it dealt with men being raped in that big basket of neverending sunshine, the Congo where women were once the victims of rape by the various warring parties.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/05/world/africa/05congo.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=male+rape+in+the+congo&st=nyt
I was always disturbed that rape was one of the first things invading armies did to the civilian population.
@Wu Young
Leopold did one hell of a number on the Congo. Just like other 3rd World countries they are basically f***ed as long as they have a natural resource corporations need. Hopefully they can wise up like Bolivia, Venezuela, and a few other countries.
Side Note: Did you hear about the US discovering 1 trillion dollars in natural resources in Afghanistan? As soon as I heard that I said the people there are f***ed.
@Humble_One,
Leopold is the overlooked member of the mass-murderers list. The fact that he at one point actually owned the Congo is crazy. He had papers on the entire country and its people. Venezuela is screwed too. Sure the people have more power now but you get Hugo with that. I’m not buying Hugo is selling.
Didn’t the find Lithium n Afghanistan? They are f***ed even more.
As soon as I heard that I said the people there are f***ed.
Kandahar is kinda hard – (reformed line from K’naan)…
Now they are even more effed up… and the conspiracy theorist in me wonders if that had anything to do, anything at all to do with why it was a target for so long… but yeah, natural resources with no power and dubious politicians? Effed the hell up. Ask Sierra Leone or any other 3rd world country with an ounce of Natural Resources… Le Sigh.
@Wu Young & Sula
You are correct. They discovered Lithium, Gold, Cobalt, etc. I believe the Obama administration has asked Dimon(CEO JP Morgan-Chase) to look into extracting those resources.
Poor guys. It never stops does it?
Poor guys. It never stops does it?
Nope. It’s the same and we rinse and we repeat… ad nauseam…
… and then we make organizations like “Conflict free diamonds” to make ourselves feel a little bit better… *my own shrug*
The Jaws Of Rape.
Hmmn…. a man meat eating contraption designed to
detercut short(yes, all pun intended) the rape in progress.Hmmn….I’m gonna go out on a limb here and suggest an idea that evidently no one on the face of this planet has ever thought of before.
Behold, a Chastity Belt.
I mean, since Rape-Axe(not to be confused with men deodorant spray), is only effective once the attack is in progress, why not create a device that doesn’t even allow penetr@tion at all.
Okay, so a chastity belt is nothing new. But why not resurrect, redesign, and revamp the original design for todays modern woman.
Instead of the cumbersome, uncomfortable medieval device we have come to know, it could be redesigned to be sleek, comfortable, sporty, stylish, yet functional and effective at the same time. It can look similar to a pair of boyshorts, except the material cannot be torn, cut, or pulled off without some sort of unlocking key mechanism, etc. that the woman has hidden. I’ll leave the physics and mechanics up to the engineers to handle the technical design stuff,..I’m more a marketing man.
Anyway, my point is this: rather than just abruptly halting a r@pe in progress by tiger sharking a man’s b@lls, why not just eliminate that possibility all together. That way, the woman remains intact mentally, emotionally and physically.
We need to “breathe” down there and a chastity belt sounds stiffling. Plus whose gonna was that thing everyday? Can we buy them in packs? Sorry for the graphicness.
Typo “wash”
yes the honey pot indeed needs to breath…
I request permission to steal this word “honey pot” for future use.
LOL permission granted, and heres the “e” for breathe uptop, I miss the edit feature here.
OMG where do I start? I want to say that I feel so sorry for African women who are subjected to horrific violence everyday and enough is not being done to protect them. PERIOD.
What happens to the woman after the man feels the pain of this condom? He’s likely to beat her to death. She probably will have a few seconds to run initially but he’ll probably get out of jail and come after her. Who knows. With that being said, I fully support this condom and I think it should be distributed world wide…in addition to pocket flame throwers. Maybe a two for one deal where we can buy them in sets.
Thank you and good day.
My question is, who is that arrogant to think at the beginning of the day “You know what, I think this outfit is going to get me raped so let me go ahead and put this anti rape condom in”.
Would any woman be disappointed after buying and putting on in, that it’s never put into action?
I think the little penised rapist incidents will go up since they won’t really get hurt by them.
I wonder if there will be a rash of women getting hurt trying to take it out.
@D-weesy,
My question is, who is that arrogant to think at the beginning of the day “You know what, I think this outfit is going to get me raped so let me go ahead and put this anti rape condom in”.
I don’t think it is a question of arrogance, but rather one of fear and paranoia. If a woman lives in an environment where that situation happens then she’s isn’t going to think about how her butt looks in a skirt. It’s about power and most often not sex appeal.
Take a look at how the women of Berlin were treated when Ivan showed up. Old women, little girls, 20 somethings, and little boys in a lot of cases were violated not because they were being overtly sexual but because you had a group of men with an ill-gotten sense of revenge and power on their minds.
@ SmartFoxGirl
“We need to “breathe” down there and a chastity belt sounds stiffling. Plus whose gonna was that thing everyday? Can we buy them in packs?”
It will be breatheable. It will be washable. And it will come in packs of three in a variety of cute colors.
For some reason, when I heard about this, my first thought was, “This mess is gone get Oombalaylay stranged.”
Next thought, “Who did they test this on?”
Correction – strangLed.
As I sit at a Starbucks in Kalamazoo, MI and read the responses by some of the VSSs that have experience sexual assault, it really pains to read about this subject. I really hate you all have had to experience something like that and commend you all for sharing that part of you to us. I am also glad that you all are taking steps to project yourselves. I have a niece that is 18, 4’11 and is about to go off to college and the idea of some idiot taking advantage of her would cause me to flip the switch in my head and turn me from the nice ComicBookGuy into a crazed maniac. Like my boy Humble_One (what up tho?), I despise rape and pedophilia. The sh*t is cowardly and I have no argument against castration because you aren’t man enough to keep that thing in your pants from being a weapon of hurt and pain. Like I’ve I said before, too much weak@$$ness going on in the world.
After reading up on the Rapeaxe, I understand the means behind making something like this because rape is something that is widespread around the continent of Africa and it is used a weapon of destruction just as much as guns are. The fact that something this extreme was invented shows that it is a big, big problem in Africa and really in our own country. Officials turning a blind eye to it in Africa shows that. I saw an ESPN report about men raping lesbian women in Africa to turn them straight, to feel like they are called by God to do it, because they feel like those women are wrong and they are damn proud of doing it. The sh*t’s sickening.
I could harp on this subject all day because I am close to the women in my family and the idea of rape can enrage me at times, even though it hasn’t happened to them. The creation of Rape-aXe shows that rape is becoming more dangerous to our women. Ladies, please protect yourselves. If you have to carry a tool, stay strapped. Fellas, we need to continue looking out for all of the women in our lives and help break the cycle by teaching boys how to be men. Forcefully having sex with a women is not what a man does, but what a weak @$$ b**ch does. Ya’ll be easy. Bout to grab a bite and trek back across Michigan in the rain to fly back to the Central Time Zone. What up tho to Humble_One, Muze, MsEsquire77 and anyone else from the D.
“I saw an ESPN report about men raping lesbian women in Africa to turn them straight, to feel like they are called by God to do it, because they feel like those women are wrong and they are damn proud of doing it. The sh*t’s sickening”
I read an artlicle about that yesterday. It was about these lesbian ladies who were soccer players in South Africa, and had been raped becuase of their sexuality. Crazyness.
@CBG
I know I joke with you alot but you are one hell of a man. I don’t know you. This could be a good act but I highly doubt it. You know we heart you here.
“Fellas, we need to continue looking out for all of the women in our lives and help break the cycle by teaching boys how to be men. Forcefully having sex with a women is not what a man does, but what a weak @$$ b**ch does. ”
Glad that we have men like you to depend on; not only for our protection but to educate the little guys
@ ComicBookGuy
Agreed.
By the way, your stock just skyrocketted here with the VSS’.
His Stock stays HIGH here *
yep yep.
high like Apple stocks after they drop yet another iDevice i dont need but want.
so here are my thoughts…
no the device isn’t fool proof or even mostly practical, but really i never heard of a practical rape deterrent. sure there are self defense classes and pepper spray but in the moment do i know if i can remember the proper way to do take down? will i remember where in my purse the pepper spray is? those who rape leave victims and potential victims in a state of terror. i am sure to some people this seems like a god send.
i also think part of the plan for this is to somehow put a scarlet letter on the attacker. since the device can only be removed in a hospital one would assume if someone came into the er with this on their penis it would be an automatic red flag that they attempted to rape someone. not sure if there is some sort of movement for hospital workers to alert the police if they have to remove one of these things.
yeah it can be removed without medical assistance but then there is the risk of infection and all that so in most cases some medical attention will need to be administered at some point. and yeah some people who rape are medical staff themselves and can remove it without going the the hospital but you get what i am saying.
and i can appreciate and agree that the best solution is to create an society where rape isn’t acceptable, but we don’t even have that kind of culture here in the us. i’ve read about this device on a few other sites and some of the comments in regards to attitudes about rape are just appalling. and yeah some folks get all cyber gully with what they say because its anonymous but i don’t think its practical to expect a whole society of men who think rape is ok to change their minds about it any time in the near future.
“Fellas, we need to continue looking out for all of the women in our lives and help break the cycle by teaching boys how to be men. Forcefully having sex with a women is not what a man does, but what a weak @$$ b**ch does.”- adds this to the list of reasons why ComicBookGuy remains one of my VSB Favs- ,well that and the fact that he is down with the women of the Caribbean *
Sooo what if a women just uses this to get back at someone who scorned her? Then what?
@ bajanflchick
Forgive me for my ignorance on the current ComicBookGuy stock value on the VSS exchange.
it’s ok.. LOL..
i’m sure between your avi AND di patois yu did buss up lass week.. you have some pretty good stock too…
*gives you a chupps*..
Nick- but if yu si ow himma jes drop of so wheneva anyone try fi chat im up, me feel say im nah really bredren., no real yaad man so…im nevah say nah more den im horiginal , and dida nevah reply eeder, no chupes for im, radder a cha man*
I just wanted to say thank you to many of the folks who have shared their personal stories, survived attacks, and stories about South Africa (the beauty and the challenges that still must be faced). This is a topic that makes my heart very heavy, but it is necessary. I appreciate the discussion.
I read this last night and wasn’t going to respond.. but I read the comments and felt the need to clear something up….
@Deeds
“But isn’t the onus to protect myself from any crime put on me. If I take a self-defense class, if I’m just extra aware of my surroundings at night, if I lock my house and car, in all of these measures, isn’t the onus put on me.”
I’ve always been aware of my surroundings.. my mother always told me, “walk with a purpose” whenever i was walking home.. I hold the long key between my fingers and have the pepperspray on me..
and that still didn’t keep a random dude from finding himself in my room at 3 in the morning.. how, pray tell, do you imagine i protect myself while i’m still trying to figure out if i’m dreaming while my panties are being taken off.. staying quiet while someone called me by my mother’s name.. because if i said “i’m not her”.. i’m scared he’s going to go looking for her…
other than being drugged, i can’t imagine a more non-lucid state to be in while such a violation is taking place.. and sorry, but when i was 17, i wasn’t taking self-defense classes with “if you’re sleeping” as the scenario i was being trained for..
i can take karate, but how do i get my Five Pointed Palm Exploding Heart Technique off when my hands are being held, and the ice pic is close by?
i can’t even begin to imagine what it’s like to live in South Africa..
i know this post has “she’s emotional” written all over it.. but yeah, it’s one of the few things that can get me that way.. i don’t talk about it a lot.. and i really am saying it matter of factly.. not looking for any pity.. but i CAN say that the scars run deep.. to this day, no one can touch my hair while i’m sleeping.. and that’s just the scar that’s the most prevalent…
it was discussed upthread.. “how bout just teaching boys that sexual assault against women is wrong?” let’s start there..
am i really expected to protect myself from all possible scenarios that could ever happen to me, just because i was born the wrong sex? is that really living?
i know this might not have been what you were really trying to say. but your response invoked something in me.
when the police asked me “well, is there anything you did to provoke him?” i just wanted to scream “YEAH, i came home from work and went to sleep!” (he could’ve benefitted from the Five Point Technique)
comeonson
i’m done…….. i promise, i’ll be my normal self tomorrow…
BIg E Hugs to you to my sistren…my heart & soul are so heavy today from this topic & you “tek time” you be however the eff you wanna be today, tomorrow, always…..seriously ….all those who can’t seem to grasp, EFF EM, I am so with you on the education thing…i think that is all for me for today, truly too many tragic VSS stories for me today
*squeezes Nick for the the tightest e-hug in the world.
and sad that i know how you feel more than i SHOULD.
@Nick_L_Odeon
Being that I’m cool with you I feel like stomping the ninja that did this. I feel some kind of way when any woman tell these stories but I feel it more when it’s someone I know.
Oh Nick I don’t know what to say. I’m so angry and hurt for you!! To see how you can still plug in your normal humor in this thread shows your spirit. Unfortunately, there is NOTHING we can do as women. That’s what makes aggressors…aggressors. They are stronger. However your real strength comes in your coping skills and knowing your worth…which you clearly know. I’m not comfortable sharing my story but I want you to know that I feel your scars and have a few myself. The biggest hurdle was realizing not all men are this way (and not becoming lesbian) or being upset with yourself in any way.
I did try therapy and it helped. I know it’s not popular amongst our people but if you haven’t tried it, maybe consider it. There’s no “cure” for emotional stress but it helped me to deal with men on a normal level. I can tell by your avi that you’re a beautiful woman so just keep doing you.
@Nick_L_Odeon,
E Hugs for real. That took some courage girl.
Oh goodness, hearing about statistics regarding rape are bad enough or working with the data regarding rapes (I worked for a summer at the YWCA where my aunt works and they have a rape hotline.) are terrible, but anytime I hear about another woman experiencing the pain makes me very angry (like when a friend of mime told me about her sexual assault) and my heart hurt. I in no way thinki that rape is the victims fault in any situation. I apologize if that was how my comment was construed, that was not what I meant.
@Deeds
i really forgot to put the “we’re cool” at the end of my comment for you..
it’s alright..
@Bajan @Keisha @Shay @Wu..
thank you…
@SFG..
i went to therapy.. but yeah, i’m going to start going back.. money is funny, and credit won’t get it.. lol..
as soon as i’m able tho…
it’s crazy, because it’s almost like people expect you to either become a lesbian, be all “don’t touch me”.. or become a nympho.. like there’s NO normal living afterwards..
you can imagine how much i love insensitive people..
not evidenced here, of course…
I’ve stomped ninjas out for much less then that.
Sawry you had to go through that.
@Sneed
“Sooo what if a women just uses this to get back at someone who scorned her? Then what?”
They will get away with it.
I think in places marred in wars where rape is often used as a weapon to subjugate women (think DRC etc…), it could be useful… or it can enrage the men and make them kill the women on the spot…
Women are so vulnerable in those areas that it makes my heart bleed to think about it… And I’m sure the 28% is only the ones who thought they raped… what about the others that probably think they didn’t do it…
This subject is very heavy for a wednesday, but glad it’s being talked about…
Bottom line: While women (and men) can be the victims of rape, men are the only ones who can be proactive against it. Men need to teach the boys…
*sneaking in here via the e-underground railroad*
“am i the only one who thinks “rape-aXe” definitely sounds like a new and intentionally douchy line of axe body spray?
No, you are not. In fact, that’s who I automatically thought were behind this mess when I read the title. I have no idea what world I’m living in where that would be possible.
@ Nick_L_Odeon & bajanflchick
But see ya! Mi neva tink anybaddy did notice di likkle bit a patois mi drop from wha day. It come een like nobaddy nah pay mi nuh mine. Me wi tek di chupps, di kiss teet, an anyting else yuh waan gimme, yuh ‘eer princess.
@ bajanflchick
Look ere nuh, nuh brite up yuself wid me ya missis. Man ah yaad man from birt, from mi head top to mi foot bottom. From di stamp pan mi shoulda, to di flex an how me stay. Furdamore, mi neva run from no gal argument inna mi life. So mek sure yuh put dat inna yuh pipe and smoke it.
Di two ah uuno no easy yuh nuh. *smile*
But Nick_L_Odeon, on a serious note, my heart goes out to you and any other young woman or man(boy or girl) that has had to endure such an unfortanate experience. Words are not enough to console, but I would hope they at least cushion.
Mi hate to cum inna dis one but mi did see yuh patois di adda day. Yuh know seh yaad gal a gwaan bad. Nah badda wid it ca’ yuh dun know we brite an nuh easy…eee. Mi know yuh yaad man an waan pos off fi di yankee dem but don figet we de yah…an bajan gal a carry di stamp pan she shoulda too so gwaan wid di
“So mek sure yuh put dat inna yuh pipe and smoke it.”…an a bus mi belly wid dis one
Awhoa. Ah next one come.
So is tree ah unno.
Bwoy, mi caan lie. Mi love fi inna di miggle ah dis.
this WHOLE exchange had me DYIN!!
@MrSoBo
beg yu pahdon.. but mi neva seh a bad ting bout yu.. so juss tek mi chupps an run.. cuz mi a yaad gyal and man dem usually get WUSS dan dat fram mi..
mi tink seh yu new.. so yu nuh know bout di “e-boo” ting.. but yu might have a problem on yu ands…
juss in case.. mi call im fuss!!!
lol..
seriously tho.. thank you..
Yes my girl…mi know seh a dis one yuh man…so leff mi CBG den nuh? Mine…ca mi a wach yuh wid di video game talk an ting…mi did fail recess inna skool ca’ mi naah play no gaym
j/k mi luv yu like rice an goongoo pees
But wate…yuh neva see da tree a we di adda day? We run in paks dred. Im glad to see yuh use di reply feecha….dat is wat bajan ah chat bout. Cum in di miggle if u tink seh yuh caan handle we.
LOL!!! but wait!! yu nuh easy…….
lmao!!!
*but wait alla unno did chat so when mi no deya, and sir Mr SoBo, yadid stay so quiet up an ting mi did say, but wait im no wanna bodder bodder wit we, a who im tink im is? and mi see say all unno come wit e-boo, and me neva have none, how it go so? eh?
or all unno too pickney to young fa know dat one ?
So mek sure yuh put dat inna yuh pipe and smoke it- *DEAD *, and watch hereya, soon enuff Ms. Keisha Brown didda come & hask, a what a gwan??? So Mr. SoBo, if unno do tink unno bad enough, Come Again, like Tiger-When? mi did loveup dat song-you see
excuse mi please..
mi olda dan yu!! mi KNOW it man…
nuh badda badda wid mi.. (i HAD TO!! like the likkle yardie gyal wha deh run round di intanet…)
@ Nick- if yu wanna be correck so it wudda been “HEXCUSE MI PLEASE” CTFU…. seriously though today’s post got to me , and although I don’t actually “know”any of y’all …it has had me effed up to the twenty third power all effin day, which is why at 8:23PM I am here…and although I can’t possibly imagine, I sincerely felt like punched in my gut today, let’s just hope that dear champale comes through with something to make us all laugh, smile & talk mad shizzle when tomorrow comes…I really do LOVE this place * catch you in the manana chica *
brrrrrraaaaappsss!! gunshots inna di air!!!
yes mi bredren an sistrens!! wha gwannin!!!
mi out pon di road wit mi ‘ot foot fi mi trip in da morn to Chicago!
but weyt…ah who you call pickney??? ah know mi ah seh dat i and i is olda dan you!!! yout have no broughtupcy!!!! lol.
@ Nick – mi LUV di likkle pickney who cuss like she grandmuuma!! she nah give her no milk to put inna di cornflakes!! she jus gon siddun, hold a seat..drink she tea, she wata and she tea. MI DEAD!!!
y’all are ol time killin (big ups KARDINAL OFFISHALL!!) mi wid di patois!!
mi gonna miss allaunnu like sanchez!!!
big up to mi e-bredren CBG – jah bless on yuh travels seen?
@ Nick_L_Odeon
Naw sah, mi nuh know ’bout no “e-boo” ting. Ah wha dat? Wait, ohhhh,…mi kinna getti now. So wait, yu tink yuh ready fi dis? Eeh? Yu tink yuh ready? Cah me wi gi yuh a dime fi your Nick_L.
@ SmartFoxGirl
Yeah, mi juss learn bout di reply feecha.
Anyway, mi see di tree ah unno now. But more importantly, di tree ah unno see meeee. But listen dis: Yu see, ANYTING whe haffi do wid ‘miggle’,… truss me daughtah, ME can manage it. Mi love miggle like mango seed. Yuh stay deh.
@ bajanflchick
If me tink seh mi bad? Mi bad til mi tyad. Mi bad so til YUH ah Come Again. Ah no Tiga song me a talk neida.
But wait, mi kno say Ms Keisha Brown wouldda come roun so, wit har latey lykkle self…she wit she ten jobs and a race round de place fi buy outfit fihar trip inna da marnin…*Dead far tru at da pickney deya witta har carn flakes*lawdhavmercy* but you, Ms Keisha Brown, HENJOY your trip & be certain to go to Nordstroms to buy some boot fi your foot dem and surely both you & CBG wudda did have safe travels fah true …JahBless alla unno even fi you widda your “brrrrrraaaaappsss!! gunshots inna di air!!!” walk good ma dear
@ Mr SoBo: If me tink seh mi bad? Mi bad til mi tyad
wooooooooooiiiiiii!! mi know dis not directed pon mi…but lawd!! mi waan next!!
@bajan-ooman!! mi dead mi dead mi dead wit ten job!!!
yes yes.. mi late to di yeh conversation. yuh already kno how we run tings!! in JA time, yuh seeit??
yes, mi ready to add plenty more boot dem to di closet!!
See the issue w/ this is like it can only protect one hole @ a time. Now ladies got a trifecta of orifices what are they to do? Whereas dudes got two. & the one up top can’t exactly hide the axe jawn. smh I don’t know man. I’m sure someone has posted it that there was lore going around that if you had the Home In Virginia, & you make the cecksie time w/ a virgin you loose your Home In Virginia.
De-lurking to comment on this one.
As a rape survivor, I LOVE the idea of this condom, precisely because it IDENTIFIES and PUNISHES the rapist – two things that usually don’t happen (as far as I know, the stranger who raped me is still roaming the streets of Brooklyn with impunity). Not only that, but it may also help protect the victim from the spread of HIV, as only the smartest rapists wear condoms (to prevent blood type/DNA identification of their sperm by the police).
The only potential downside that I can really see is the use of these condoms for assault/revenge, i.e. I can think of some horrendous angry ex-girlfriend or cheated-upon wife scenarios coming out of this. I can also see how the prospect of a nation of women walking around with weapons in their “lil red pocketbooks” would be frightening to men. On the other hand, as a woman I’m in a similar situation: every day I go out and interact with many people who are bigger than me, stronger than me, and who have something in their pants that they can use to severely hurt and injure me IF THEY SO CHOOSE. But then again, most men aren’t rapists, and most women aren’t psychotically violent penile abusers.
Of course these condoms won’t stop rape (although they may deter it). And yes, rapists may be violent towards women who use them because rape IS violent. (My rapist choked me ’til I blacked out for asking didn’t he have a mother or sister.) But the condom doesn’t purport to bring an end to rape; it just puts one tiny but hugely important piece of the power equation back in the victim’s hands – CONSEQUENCES. And that means a lot to me and other survivors I know.
La Mama you are very brave. I heart women like you…
As for the revenge tactics – the Lorena Bobbits of this world are much fewer and farther between than we would like to think.
looks around..
yup.. got more e-hugs left to give.
I am waiting on my plane to take off but I wanted to respond to some of the comments.
@SmartFoxGirl,
Thanks for the love. I really am genuinely concerned about victims of rape because it is a continuing problem. My baby sister is a counselor at a battered womens shelter and she teaches seminars on domestic violence, so she deals with rape victims a lot. I am glad you spoke about therapy because as a future psych Phd, she definitely encourages our people to get therapy. My heart goes out to you, darlin’.
@Nick,
My heart goes out to you, too. It took a lot of courage for you to tell your story. It was not “too emotional”, it was real. I was like Humble_One. I got kinda heated reading it. Humble_One, Wu Young and Shay seem like the kind of dudes I would call to ride out with me and cause a problem to the kind of guys that would hurt the VSSs in that kind of way.
@Perfect Square,
Somebody has to teach the next generation to do better and we don’t have to wait to be old and gray to do it. I am going to give my nephew the “No means NO” talk before he goes to college in August, but he is a good kid and he loves his twin sister, mom, aunt and Nana too much to lay his hands on women.
@bajanflchick, Nick and SmartFoxGirl,
There y’all go speaking patois again. Love it, man. I am actually learning from you guys, believe it or not.
This was a pretty heavy subject but I am glad so many people were able to speak on it with their feelings and experiences. It is why I frequent this blog because it brings people together through experiences and responses on the subject matter. Bout to take off for home. Be easy and be blessed.
MUAH…walk good bredrin…walk good.
have a safe flight sweetie..
and thank you…
i often wanted older (?) brothers that would do something like that for me.. it’s the order of the world, isn’t it??
my brother?? well, we won’t talk about him….
i hope your travels are stress free…
I am waiting on my plane to take off but I wanted to respond to some of the comments.
@SmartFoxGirl,
Thanks for the love. I really am genuinely concerned about victims of rape because it is a continuing problem. My baby sister is a counselor at a battered womens shelter and she teaches seminars on domestic violence, so she deals with rape victims a lot. I am glad you spoke about therapy because as a future psych Phd, she definitely encourages our people to get therapy. My heart goes out to you, darlin’.
@Nick,
My heart goes out to you, too. It took a lot of courage for you to tell your story. It was not “too emotional”, it was real. I was like Humble_One. I got kinda heated reading it. Humble_One, Wu Young and Shay seem like the kind of dudes I would call to ride out with me and cause a problem to the kind of guys that would hurt the VSSs in that kind of way.
@Perfect Square,
Somebody has to teach the next generation to do better and we don’t have to wait to be old and gray to do it. I am going to give my nephew the “No means NO” talk before he goes to college in August, but he is a good kid and he loves his twin sister, mom, aunt and Nana too much to lay his hands on women.
@bajanflchick, Nick and SmartFoxGirl,
There y’all go speaking patois again. Love it, man. I am actually learning from you guys, believe it or not.
This was a pretty heavy subject but I am glad so many people were able to speak on it with their feelings and experiences. It is why I frequent this blog because it brings people together through experiences and responses on the subject matter. Bout to take off for home. Be easy and be blessed.
how is the wire tagged in this post lol or is this one of those- everything comes back to the wire type of situations…
Oh yeah, being at a summer camp allows you to always experience this theory..It never hurts to be the cutest guy at a place that consists of “aight” niggas…Playas DEFINITELY get chose in that situation..
Awready.
@superwoman and jhane sez, agreed with near everything… Didn’t get to read everything here and will leave the female circumcision branch alone. I’m so glad this was compared to the flame thrower! It skips past all the other socioeconomic ills that cause the situation and suggests that if we just obliterate the person (or the pe….) the problem will be lessened. It’s certainly a much larger issue and I’d compare it event to your common virus mutating. Folks will find a way around it and it will be worse.
Education and prevention will help, but ultimately it has to be a major shift in the economic landscape. Rape is typically tied into feelings of insecurity, powerlessness, and goes up in indirect proportion to income levels… I don’t imagine that is different in SA.
I just wonder is the one pro (catch and punish) worth the many cons (not effective where no vaginal penetration occurs; possibly worsening related abuse in each incident; mental impact)…
Again, what’s chilling to consider is even worse, since this is clearly unchecked, how are the rapists going to react to this movement? Not by simply stopping, but by finding a way around it…
No one seems to be considering the next logical step to anal penetration and the resulting rampant increase in health problems and STD/AIDS spreading…
Hopefully the the conversation about this spreads farther: I’m actually an optimist but sadly, I doubt it will.
Ultimately, just not the solution.
pops to white south african neighbor… ( rumored to be a mercenary too )
“control your dogs ( rotwielers sh!ttin on our lawn )or I’ll take them out. give me any static…and your ass is done too…”
they moved not long after…praises to the almighty…
no woman should be raped…..i don’t care where she is located…
rape-axe really won’t stop the problem…takin some rapists out of existence will.
dang boston is hot…..smh
I couldn’t imagine being a black woman living in that type of an oppressive environment (& we complain about being educated & singled-we’re truly blessed). But if I did, I don’t think I would use this as a form of protection, especially since you have to be violated in order for the “protection” to start kicking in (or digging in). In my opinion this condom is like putting a band aid on aids as far as it’s ability to curtail rapists or solve any true problems. If those white inventors put more time into creating jobs, or opportunities for education or overall embetterment of those less fotunate, they may see better results from their efforts.
btw- I’m new to vsb & I *heart* this site. Makes my work day go by!
I am just thinking that now not only have I gotten raped, but I am going to get killed for that stunt right there. Not to trivialize this in the least- but that will get you killed messin with someone who already has the mindset of a rapist. This was probably already said, but there was too many comments…
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