5 Reasons Why The Gay Mafia Is So Fierce

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“The game done changed”

“Game’s the same, just got more fierce”

Yesterday, as I read another one of the hundreds of thousands of articles about Tracy Morgan and his apology tour, I couldn’t help but feel a tinge of envy. I’m sure this — the fact that I’d feel envious while reading an article about Tracy Morgan — isn’t that surprising. Millions of people would also be envious of a person who manages to make millions of dollars for being a professional damn fool who also happens to be occasionally funny.

But, what is surprising about this envy is the fact that Tracy Morgan isn’t the one who caused me to be green. No, f*ck Tracy, I’m completely in awe of, enamored with, impressed by, and jealous of the vastness of the Gay Mafia’s powers.

You probably think I’m being facetious, but you can’t help but take notice of a group that manages to make a comedian who’s made an entire career out of saying shockingly stupid (and shockingly lazy) sh*t spend an entire summer apologizing for…saying some shockingly stupid (and shockingly lazy) sh*t. I mean, I don’t know exactly how much money Morgan has made in his career, but I’m assuming that he has “F*ck you!” money. Basically, he’s rich enough to just say “F*ck you, I’m not apologizing for sh*t” and retire to Turks and Caicos, but he still was able to be strong-armed by this group. Who knew the real life Deebos all drove Priuses?

Anyway, the fact they they’ve been able to publicly bitch a 45 year old rich black guy from Bed-Stuy is just one of the many reasons why the Gay Mafia is so gotdamn fierce.

Here’s 4 more

2. They unapologetically hijack sh*t

Exactly what sh*t have they hijacked? Well, lets start off with the word “gay.”

Ok, ok, ok. I know they weren’t entirely responsible for this kidnapping. The word was, um, given to them, but they’ve never given it back!

Now, when people like me are slaving over blog entries, racking our brains for three letter synonyms for “happy” that begin with “g,” I have to run to a thesaurus because using “gay” just doesn’t f*king work anymore.

They’ve also managed to hijack the word “fierce,” the term “partner,” the rainbow, tie-dye t-shirts, butterflies, ice cream cones, and Tyra Banks.

3. They’re stealth

Unlike the Natural Hair Mafia (who can usually be detected by just paying attention to the nearing smell of nag champa) and the real Mafia (who can usually be detected by just paying attention to the nearing smell of money clips, Adidas sweat suits, and canoli), the Gay Mafia is virtually undetectable; a roving, shape-shifting mass with the ability to surround and engulf without any warning.

Basically, they’re exactly like a really bad fart, but with a really killer fashion sense and a 72% stake in Miramax.

4. They have everyone completely shook

In the three years since VSB first launched, I’ve said “questionable” things about (in no particular order) myself, black men, black women, white women, white men, midgets, crackheads, Mexicans, Deltas, AKA’s, Kappas, Pittsburgh, dead people, NYC, MLK, Michael Jackson, Harlem, Cincinnati, the space program, short men, tall women, my parents, my girlfriend, my penis, the entire South American continent, people who don’t agree with me, people who do agree with me, people with stupid names, Detroit, everything below the Mason-Dixon line, and God.

And, from what I’ve been told, this — the fact that I try not to segregate my snark — is one of my best and most appreciated qualities as a writer.

Now, I happened to have Gchat open yesterday while I was writing this entry, and I told three of my more snark-appreciating and encouraging friends about my plans for today’s post.

Their responses:

Friend 1:

“um…where you going with this?. if in the end you’re saying “i love the gays”. i guess it’s cool. but you have to be careful. i think you’d be ok. but you may need to do the obligatory disclaimer in bold at the top of the blog post”

Friend 2:

“Down with your head. Hope you have your suit picked out for your funeral”

Friend 3:

“do you have any gay friends to float the idea with?. im not saying u gotta be totally pc, but its good to get a gauge. dont want to end up like Hustle Man. he’s pickin up the pieces

*mournfully plays the kazoo”

Seriously, though, when did this happen? When did we all become scared to death of the Gay Mafia, and when the hell did gay people become Candyman? Who made the rule that if you say “American Apparel” five times in the mirror, Nathan Lane will jump out and disembowel you?

5. They straight-up murder careers

I went car shopping with Lady Champ a few days ago. She wasn’t looking to buy anything, but she just wanted to get an idea about prices and test drive a few models.

Anyway, a black salesman was particularly helpful while we were there; recommending certain models, letting us know about certain deals,and generally being very accommodating. He had a familiar face and voice, but I couldn’t quite place where I recognized him from. After drawing blanks on the usuals — “Where are you from?”, “Did I play ball with you?”, “What high school did you go to?”, etc — I finally broke down and just asked him for his full name.

His reply?

“Isaiah Washington”

Anyway, people of VSB.com, are you also completely scared of the Gay Mafia? Do you check your closets at night for Rosie O’Donnell like I do?

Also, can you think of any other examples of their fierceness, and can someone please tell me exactly how they grew to be so damn gangsta?

—The Champ

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677 thoughts on “5 Reasons Why The Gay Mafia Is So Fierce”

  1. Hijacked rainbows. Rainbows used to be about ya know ummm, post rainstorm hope and sh*t, Care Bears, and gangsta leprechauns selling bootleg lucky charms. Nope not anymore, they straight up stole it.

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    • I know right. Rainbow Brite used to be my girl, but I can’t sport her anymore unless I want folks thinking I like vajayjay (and that I’m a 4 year old)

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    • Alise… let me tell you how upset at the rainbow thing..i’m madder than than a bee looking at a picture of flowers sprayed with perfume… i’m more confused than a cow on a lawn of astroturf… how can people take a beautiful natural phenomenon and take that as their symbol?? just out the blue and shyt? did they even have a national/international vote or anything? rainbows belong to the whole world!!! i love rainbows and like wearing them… i dare a broad to to try to test me… what’s next? transexuals stealing waterfalls? bisexuals using lightening bolts?!?!?! hmpf i’m saying you can be gay why couldn’t they just use the ? ? and just double them up?!?!?!

      #TakingBackMyRainbow

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    • Fck a rainbow. All bright and happy and hopeful and sht. But has one ever ended in a pot of gold for me? Hell no.

      Roy G. Biv can suck a fat one as far as I’m concerned.

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    • I was just thinking/reminded the other day that rainbows were originally a sign of God’s promise to man that he would never again destroy humanity via a flood like he did with Noah….and yet the gays have hijacked the rainbow from God.

      Definitely gangster, those gays.

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      • @Liz Thanks what I was thinking! God told Noah that would be a continual promise, i really have been wondering for a while HOW and WHY they chose that as their “symbol/colors”. Especially given the original strong religious context.

        *wonders*

        and yea that def = ganster

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      • I’ve been mad about the rainbows for a while now.

        I figure a trade is in order. We get the Rainbow back….but we gotta give up something.

        Smiley faces, maybe? The big yellow one? Or a flipped wrist? Suggestions welcome!

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    • “Hijacked rainbows. Rainbows used to be about ya know ummm, post rainstorm hope and sh*t, Care Bears, and gangsta leprechauns selling bootleg lucky charms. Nope not anymore, they straight up stole it.”

      You know, somewhere amongst a fruity cloud, Skittles are SUPER pissed that tasting the rainbow ain’t primarily associated with them anymore. And as a Skittles enthusiast/expert (long medium-length story as to why… has something to do with my last name being mispronounced and it becoming my nickname in school), I am pissed on behalf of them. Vicariously, even.

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    • “Rainbows used to be about ya know ummm, post rainstorm hope and sh*t, Care Bears, and gangsta leprechauns selling bootleg lucky charms.”

      so basically, rainbows have always been gay?

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  2. That last line made me gasp!

    As for why the gays rule…they have stock in pretty much every freaking thing. That and, on average, they cry/stan/protest more about small children, education, equality, animals, rights (civil and implied), politicis, fashion, and music than most straight folks. Revolutionaries with rainbows – that’s always been the dream. :)

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      • *adding my laughter to this comment* lol

        ….almost fell out of my office chair when I read “Who knew the real life Deebos all drove Priuses?” lol…took a while to get focused to read the rest of the entry.

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  4. RIP Isaiah Washington’s career.
    But now that you mention it, I think a lot of us do tip toe around gayness and such. If you do make a joke about the gays, you have to wrap it in fabulousness and play Elton John music while you’re doing it just to make sure nobody jumps out the closet and b*tch slaps you (no pun intended)

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    • My thing is this…

      There was a talk show once and an episode called “Gay is the new Black” which likened being gay to being black and the guests on the show were saying that they have to deal with now what black people had to deal with in the ’60s and prior and that black people should understand the most but are more passive about it all and made the most jokes.

      What does it mean when a person can’t take a joke (even a terrible one by Tracy Morgan?)?

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      • I wince when I hear folk likening the Gay Struggle to the Black Struggle…..the two just aren’t in the same category.

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        • in my Riley Freeman voice: Yall ni99az is gaY
          Agreed! I know it may be an unpopular/controversial opinion, but I can’t stand it when people try to compare being black to being gay….
          .If someone doesn’t want people to Know that they’re gay/lesbian they live on the dl etc …you can’t really dl being black…

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        • They aren’t the same, but they have more similarities than any other discriminatory act in history. Deaths, assimilation/denial of themselves, defecting, inability to marry whom they choose. I can understand the similarities and I appreciate the struggle…however…

          I’on’t know. I just feel that black people had a harder hill to climb and to compare the two and expect sympathy instead of ask for understanding isn’t really kosher.

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          • but it’s not like slaves, other black people etc could just say hmm I know I’m black, but today when I walk down the street, go out in the fields etc, I can choose NOT to be black ..o__O …

            .I watched something on Oprah where a lady for years knew she was gay, but pretended to be “straight” married, kids, the way she dressed, , etc. then divorced BOOM decides to come out announce to family etc that they’re publically gay, but for years they pretended/acted and people thought they were straight!…

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            • I read a geneology story about a family of Johnsons who, for four or so generations thought they were white. The were invited to a family reunion/bbq and were surprised to find out they were black….well, half. The great-great grandfather had kept a diary of his “passing” and the family went down the family tree and found them. Surprise!

              I think what we fail to think about with people passing is the guilt they must feel, and the hurt and anger issues they have to go through denying who they are and where they come from. Passing hurts not just the immediate person but their family as a whole.

              I’m not saying it’s the same, but the similarities are there.

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          • It baffles me how there are some gays who seriously think the two are comparable beyond senseless killings. I won’t go into a history tirade but the black struggle was a battle for the most basic human rights. The right to be more than 3/5 of a person is something that the gay community will NEVER be able to relate to.

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            • gay ? being black
              American society would rather a gay white/nonblack male/female to be in a leadership/power position rather than a straight black male..

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            • There is no such thing as gay oppression. Discrimination against gays doesn’t happen enough to ever make a class action. There has never been a disenfranchised gay community. Anti gay violence happens so seldom, it always makes on the news. And yet they were able to hijack civil rights. Cause they don’t want anyone making them feel bad about what they do in the dark. they even got the church running scared, trying to edit the good book to appease them. Yeah they fierce, but I ain’t scared. Bring it!

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              • Anti-gay violence happens everyday. It’s what some folks call “bullying” but it goes above and beyond what most folk think of when they hear that word.

                IMO they didn’t hijack civil rights. They just want the same right to live like anyone else. And it’s not about them not wanting to feel bad about what they do in the dark (they shouldn’t); it’s about them not wanting to feel like they are freaks and aberrations and deserving of hate, scorn and shunning.

                How can black folks seriously want to deny someone else what we have been and are continuing to die and struggle for? This is what isn’t making sense to me right now.

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                • The thing is, they’ve not been denied anything. People get bullied for all kinds of reasons. What is the solution? Is being bullied a violation of civil rights? How do you address that? In the courts?

                  Unless you are talking about marriage rights, I don’t see how gays are denied anything on any type of scale. People keep repeating the words “equal rights” and everyone falls into line and says yeah, I’m all for equal rights. But no one can give any statistics of their civil rights being violated as a norm. When you talk about marriage, the funny thing is they can get the same rights with a civil union. But they don’t want rights. They want acceptance. The word equal rights is so powerful, it shuts up most dissenters and people dont stop to think about what exactly they are talking about.

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                  • And what’s wrong with wanting acceptance? Not being allowed to get married because of your orientation is like us not being allowed to go to a certain place because of our race. You may not care about being able to walk into that place; there may be a place for “your people” that is just as good. But that’s not the point, is it? The point is that you are being discriminated against and told you are inferior. And what’s the basis? Your color? Meaningless. Who you have sex with? Trivial.

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                    • Nothing wrong with wanting acceptance. Everyone wants acceptance. I want acceptance for my lifestyle. I can’t marry three men. I was born with a high sex drive and short attention span. Seriously. Acceptance is not a civil right. You cannot make people accept you and that is what the gay mafia is trying to do. Force, bully, loud talk, smoke and mirror their way to acceptance.

              • I think discrimination, disenfranchisement, and violence happens more than people realize. The problem is that it’s not publicized as a hate crime and therefore categorized in the normal population of assault according to the police. I think that’s evidenced by the fact that AIDS was (and to some still is) the “Gay disease”. Rock Hudson fell from stardom when he vocalized his sexual preference. Most homosexual people are closeted about their preference which is why “coming out” is such a big deal. The gay population is distinguished by the “flaming” few.

                We as black people get pissed whenever the entire race is categorized by those in jail, deadbeat dads, project moms, and welfare recipients. Why shouldn’t gay folks get pissed when they are categorized by ATL & San Fran????

                Question: If there is no such thing as gay oppression then why do we see so much gay segregation?

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              • I think discrimination, disenfranchisement, and violence happens more than people realize. The problem is that it’s not publicized as a hate crime and therefore categorized in the normal population of assault according to the police. I think that’s evidenced by the fact that AIDS was (and to some still is) the “Gay disease”. Rock Hudson fell from stardom when he vocalized his sexual preference. Most homosexual people are closeted about their preference which is why “coming out” is such a big deal. The gay population is distinguished by the “flaming” few.

                We as black people get pissed whenever the entire race is categorized by those in jail, deadbeat dads, project moms, and welfare recipients. Why shouldn’t gay folks get pissed when they are categorized by ATL & San Fran????

                Question: If there is no such thing as gay oppression then why do we see so much gay segregation?

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                • I’m a lawyer. The only reason I bring that up is because there is a large body of law and cases defining discrimination, hate crimes, civil rights and disenfranchisement.

                  If gay people suffered widespread or institutional discrimination or oppression, you would have lawsuits that would become precedent. They have the money and influence to mobilize, so they could sue if they had a case. The fact that there is no gay discrimination precedent says a lot.

                  It doesn’t happen often enough. And that is just fact.

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                  • First of all as an attorney you should know that what you just spouted is utter garbage for two main reasons and a slew of other reasons…

                    1. Lack of precedent does not mean that the issue is non-existent… It simply means that no other attorney has used that particular case as a basis for their case… There is a precedent for EVERY case that comes before the court because in order to come before the court you have to have an issue of law… All precedent means is that there was a case that was decided in a court of law and the attorney liked the outcome of that case and used the judge’s decision as a guide for their judge…

                    Ask yourself this… How many cases of little black girls and little black boys who were disenfranchised, oppressed, segregated, humiliated and mistreated by public schools went unreported or undocumented or determined a non-issue prior to Brown V. Board of Ed???

                    2. As much as we would like to believe that justice is blind, the courts are governed by the people they serve… Justices can only hear the information they are presented…

                    This has been supported by the court’s recent Wal-Mart decision. It completely obliterated your “They have the money and influence to mobilize, so they could sue if they had a case,” defense. Why??? Because regardless of how much money and influence gay people have there are still more heterosexual (or passing as heterosexual) people who have more money and influence. You mean to tell me that women don’t have money and influence???

                    The impact of gay crimes on society would create an adverse strain on the police departments and the court systems. Hate crimes use an intense amount of money and man power. Most communities cannot afford the cost. For this reason, most police departments are leery of calling a crime a hate crime.

                    What’s the alternative??? Civil lawsuits??? Yeah… Those will be effective…

                    I think the real question you should ask yourself before you start stating opinions as fact is how many cases regarding gay issues have come before the court. Then ask yourself, how many of those issues actually had valid legal arguments. Perhaps then you can remove the bias from your thought process.

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                  • You are a lawyer so I’m sure you realize that you can’t have a lawsuit unless there is a law broken or right violated. I bet in 1959, a lawyer could make the same argument about discrimination against people of color.

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                    • That’s incorrect. The fourteenth amendment, among others guarantees equal rights. It’s in the constitution. If someone was discriminated against because they are gay, they can sue.

                    • @wild cougar… Yes the 14th amendment does guarantee equal protection, HOWEVER, Mr Wee Thomas is correct… If no one can prove that their 14th Amendment rights have been violated then you can’t site that amendment as a basis for bringing suit… If the situation is not treated as a 14th Amendment violation from the beginning then it is going to be difficult proving cause at grand jury time… I’m guessing you don’t practice criminal law???

                  • Ok let’s go there. To have a case for discrimination based on sexual orientation, you need to show they knew you were gay. Then you need to show they discriminated against you because you are gay.

                    Otherwise its not discrimination. If it was widespread, you would have cases that had enough evidence. It’s not like they just got resources to hire lawyers fifty years ago.

                    You could say discrimination happens but they can’t prove it, but really? They never get a clear cut case? They have a high enough population so that if it was a widespread thing, wed have some precedent. Believe me, we have enough influential gay people to get a class action moving.

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                    • No, I don’t practice criminal law. But since I’m talking about the constitution as it relates to discrimination in hiring, housing, accommodations, etc, I’m thinking criminal law knowledge wouldn’t be a prerequisite.

                    • “Ok let’s go there. To have a case for discrimination based on sexual orientation, you need to show they knew you were gay. Then you need to show they discriminated against you because you are gay.”

                      I’m sooooooo glad you said that… Let’s dissect that shall we…

                      1. “you need to show they knew you were gay. ”

                      Scenario A: A young extroverted gay man gets assaulted in the parking lot of a supermarket after coming out the stores. All of the witness accounts collected from the police when investigating the crime state that the accused had no afore knowledge that the victim was gay… They saw nothing wrong with a man wearing pink and carrying a handbag… They thought it was a European Shoulder Bag… They were upset because the victim took the parking space they were waiting for an in-turn reacted violently by assaulting the victim. During the course of the assault they called the victim a faggot and that’s why the victim is trying to call it a hate crime… The police charged the accused with aggravated assault…

                      Scenario B: A man goes for an interview as controller of a Fortune 1000 company. At the conclusion of the interview, the CEO determines that the interviewer is not qualified for the position although he’s held the position of controller previously. The CEO then recommends someone with less qualifications (never held the position of controller) for the same position. The interviewer, when discussing the interview with his partner, realizes that this is the same man who he had a confrontation with on the street 6 months ago when he first “stole” is partner from the CEO. The CEO is married with 3 children and a closeted homosexual. The statement issued by the partner was hearsay and held no weight in a grand jury hearing since the partner learned of the confrontation from the interview candidate.

                      How do you prove this? BTW, these were both cases that came before a grand jury and were both thrown out. Does it mean that they did not occur? ABSOLUTELY NOT!!! It means that the powers that be did not want to touch the case because of the implications…

                      2. “Then you need to show they discriminated against you because you are gay.”

                      I would hope that if you are worth the paper your degree is printed on that you know this is the most DIFFICULT thing to prove because it’s based on that little itty bitty thing called motive (human nature and thought) which in the case of discrimination you have to go into a person’s past and uncover the issue that may have led to the bias in the first place… We are not talking 1959 where people hated blacks just because it was cool to do so and it was easy to spot a black person from a mile away… We are talking about people admitting that the were molested, abused, or harbored same sex feelings, which we already know that the MAJORITY of people who have ever been molested or abused don’t report these issues to the police so you can’t go searching police records for this information. Therapy sessions are protected through privilege… Most homophobics don’t wear “I Hate Gays” arm bands as if they were Nazis… Uncovering this information can (and most often will) exceed the statue of limitations because of the immense digging you have to do in each case…

                      How do you prove this? Does it mean that they did not occur? ABSOLUTELY NOT!!! It means that the powers that be make it difficult to proceed with the case because of the implications…

                      “Otherwise its not discrimination. If it was widespread, you would have cases that had enough evidence. It’s not like they just got resources to hire lawyers fifty years ago.”

                      That is probably the most asinine of your statements… Slavery was not discrimination??? Segregation was not discrimination??? How many times did the acts occur before they were outlawed???

                      Finally… “But since I’m talking about the constitution as it relates to discrimination in hiring, housing, accommodations, etc, I’m thinking criminal law knowledge wouldn’t be a prerequisite.”

                      Are you saying that violating the constitution is not a crime??? Hmmmmm interesting concept… Did they teach you that in law school??? If so, please tell me which school this was so that I can make sure that NO ONE goes there!!!

                      Correct me if I’m wrong but doesn’t every law school require students to take criminal law courses??? Why do you think that is??? If you don’t understand the basic principal of criminal law or criminal aspects of an action then how can you really effectively assist a client who has been a victim of discrimination which is a CRIME according to the 14th Amendment??? Criminal law is ABSOLUTELY a prerequisite…

                    • (Referring to the long a** comment below) Wow. This one goes hard in the paint. It’s not a competition sista. This is why I don’t bring up my profession. Some people take that as a cue to start a who is smarter pissing contest. I’ve been doing this long enough so I don’t need to prove anything.

                      Woosah!

                      Suggestion: personal attacks take away from your argument and make you look less educated. Maybe you might want to refrain in the future. Ijs.

            • You got it. Blacks were fighting for HUMAN rights. Gays can walk the same streets, eat at the same places, ride the same buses and attend the same schools, etc. As a Black person, I get offended when I hear the comparison.

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              • Well they can, but what happens when they do? They’re gawked at, ridiculed, and in some places they’ll get their @sses beat. That’s not freedom to me, nor is it enjoying their human rights.

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                • I see this as apples and oranges. You cannot make people like anything. The fact is that it’s legal for them to go to those places and utilize these institutions. That wasn’t the case for black folks. They can vote, own property, eat at any restaurant, stay in any hotel, attend any university, etc. These are rights. Also, the treatment you speak of still happens to black folks in some places. You cannot make it illegal for people to gawk…ask any interracial couple, midget, morbidly obese person, etc…If they are assaulted, it is illegal and is punishable by law, just like everyone else.

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                  • Okay, apples and oranges. I get that. They’re both still oppression, and while they’re not exactly the same, they’re definitely similar. More similar than we seem to want to admit.

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            • right, even today, their main beefs are to be married and serve openly in the military. I’m for both, but why hold up the interests of other serious issues such as the economy and healthcare over Adam and Steve wanting to be married?

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            • Sheryl Underwood did a bit on that some years back. She said that unless their ancestors had been kidnapped from their home continent of Homosexia, survived the middle passage, and had been enslaved, they have no claim to the same struggle.

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            • Like how MOST entertainment companies, literature, fashion, editorial, political, educational industries are CEO’d by primarily gay white men > we can’t say the same for original folks.

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            • why you gotta bring me and my plus size princesses up in this mix huh??!?!?! after i cued up the welcome lapdance music for you yesterday and gave you glitter in monochromatic colors… hmpf.. i see now

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            • A lot of people believe this. And I think this is a big reason why rights for homosexuals are so easily dismissed. Like if you choose to live that way you choose the consequences.

              I don’t think it’s a choice any more than being heterosexual is a choice. At least for most people. It’s those that are gay for play that make it hard for people that actually have no choice in who they are attracted to and fall in love with.

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        • “I wince when I hear folk likening the Gay Struggle to the Black Struggle…..the two just aren’t in the same category.”

          I do, too. Even whilst being strong proponents for both struggles. I just don’t like “Oppression Olympics” in general. (i.e. “my struggle is worse than yours nyah nyah nyah!) And while I understand the argument, “how can one group for civil rights deny another group”, it’s unequally targeting seeing as how racism occurs in the gay community as well. There are a lot of gay minorities who suffer exclusion within their own community. So, if we need to come together and fight the good fight, both sides have to take a step.

          Besides, if ANYTHING were to win the struggle contest, it would be Chingy’s career. So…

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    • Isaiah Washington was legendary for being an utter jackazz. He didn’t even mean it in a homophobic way, he was just being a d*ck. Even on Larry King, he said he would have easily called him a n*gga. But he messed with the wrong demographic, doe. *pours likka out for his career*

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  5. Gay Mafia = Illuminati. Tyrese has a best-selling book and spent Father’s Day in the Hamptons, but let him tweet some homophobic stuff tomorrow. He be done found hisself back in Watts on the city bus with nothing to his name but a coke and a smile.

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  7. Nope. But all the gay people I’ve met are fond of me though so the thought of being ‘attacked’ by them has never really crossed my mind. I’m always openly critical of organizations like GLAAD though.

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      • AC, you’re extra right. I’m against physical abuse or hate speech (calling things gay or the f word), because that’s cruel. But I think the term “homophobia” has been overused.

        1. Cee-Lo got in “trouble” for a homophobic tweet. http://www.examiner.com/celebrity-headlines-in-national/cee-lo-green-homophobic-comments-on-twitter-picture. But the joke itself is confusing as this guy dresses up in feather outfits, and the women who it was directed at said she wasn’t even offended. (http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/b248478_cee_lo_says_sorry_outrageous_homophobic.html)

        2. And now in some circles, anyone who opposes gay marriage is also labeled homophobic. What if someone’s opposition to gay marriage is rooted more in their religious belief (jewish, muslim, etc.) than a supposed dislike of gay people? Heck, even some gay people don’t believe in gay marriage. Are they homophobic too?

        My point is this: Saying the f word, calling things gay, trying to verbally or physically assault all gay people <–that's homophobic
        Making a confusing joke, opposing gay marriage on moral grounds, or some other issue that GLAAD wants to attach to homophobia instead of general douchebaggery<—not homophobic

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        • “I’m against physical abuse or hate speech (calling things gay or the f word), because that’s cruel. But I think the term “homophobia” has been overused.”

          Good points, folk…interestingly enough, tho, I think that more than a few folks feel the same way about the word “racism” or “racist” (i.e., it’s been overused or used inappropriately)

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          • I’m one of those folks. That’s why I don’t like Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton. I feel that over the years they have played the race/racist/racism card too often just to get their faces on t.v. and their names in the papers.

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            • Lots of folk claim racism all day e’ry day, not just Jesse or Al. Many times it’s legit, but sometimes it’s used simply as a scapegoat/excuse when someone feels wronged. I know that racism nowadays is much more covert than it was in days past, but I think some folks actually use the threat of racism (be it real or perceived) as a crutch.
              The racism known to a 60 yo blk man and that of a 30 yo blk man are worlds apart.

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              • Personally for all the sh!t black people have been threw Ion’t believe there is a such thing as being too sensitive concerning racism… not to say every black joke offends me but dammit I’m entitled and JUSTIFIED in being offended should I choose to be.

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            • Agree with all this; there are people that use racism, and even bait racism, to keep the themselves in the spotlight.

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              • The thing is, you can’t bait something that isn’t there. It is important to shed light on covert racism, so that those being victimized by it can recognize it. Also, let’s not get it twisted. You know why so many of us feel a kind of way about Rev Sharpton? Because of the skewed portrait the whyte media has painted of him. Most folks outside of Harlem have no idea of the real work that man has put in for his people over the years. has he taken on some wack causes? Probably. Has he effed up on his job, sure, but we all have. The point is, for every sensationalized story we’ve seen about him, there are hundreds of non-sensational, everyday in the trenches, civil rights actions for which he is responsible. The media has managed to make us groan collectively with everyone else when we see or hear his name, but the majority of us really know nothing of this man’s work. It’s messed up because it happens with our folks so often. We give the folks who are working for us the side-eye because it seems like we should. That, my friends, is one of the best illustrations of institutional racism I’ve ever seen.

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                • I wasn’t thinking specifically of him but when I said “bait” (that may not have been the appropriate word) I mean including race in discussions for seemingly no reason other than to make it about race. That doesn’t omit Mr. Sharpton, but I’m thinking of random news shows and “roundtable” type discussions. Just because an issue affects black people more often doesn’t necessarily mean it’s about black people or race.

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                  • Just because an issue affects black people more often doesn’t necessarily mean it’s about black people or race.

                    It doesn’t necessarily mean it is a case of racism, but am I wrong for checking? If I don’t explore the fact that it could be and it turns out that it is, how can I possibly make it stop. This is one of the reasons why it is so difficult to close the achievement gap. A lot of folks don’t want to look at schooling with racialized lenses for fear of what they will find. The reason why covert racism is so much more powerful than overt racism is because you don’t notice it, but you damn sure notice the effects. Trouble is, most people can’t recognize what they are seeing the effects of. And the people who can see it and have the courage to call it out are accused of playing the race card, like racism is some kind of fun game, like spades or whist.

                    I love having these convos with you, WIP. You keep me sharp.

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                    • LOL, glad I could be of service. I see your point- once you have the power and knowledge to uncover covert racism you then examine every issue otherwise, how will you know? Although it seems the consequence is becoming a nag, if you will. Like the girlfriend that’s always trying to catch her man cheating. The black people I’m thinking of give me that feeling, always trying to catch the racist.

          • “I’m against physical abuse or hate speech (calling things gay or the f word), because that’s cruel. But I think the term “homophobia” has been overused.”

            Good points, folk…interestingly enough, tho, I think that more than a few folks feel the same way about the word “racism” or “racist” (i.e., it’s been overused or used inappropriately)

            i agree with both. you can add “misogynistic” to that pile as well

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        • “calling things gay”

          I do this all the time. I know it’s a slippery slope, but I don’t mean it in terms of $exual orientation, I mean it to imply that something is stupid or annoying. And before anyone rejoins with a “what if white people apply the same reasoning to the N word?” please know that I have already acknowledged this logical flaw, and don’t care. lol

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          • Lol I like that you own yours. Respect. But would you still use the word that way and not care if, say, you had a kid who turned out to be gay?

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            • If my son were gay I would definitely do it. Not to be mean spirited, but as a means of acceptance. “wassup, c*ck sucker. how was school?” If he’s anything like me, he’ll understand the humor.

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        • Well, #2 is tricky. There was a time when religious belief backed up slavery. I think the “you can read the bible to say x” argument tends not to fly so well anymore.

          But in that case, no, they are not homophobic, they are ignorant. Same issue happens with racism. . .

          Did I hear something about comparing the gay struggle to the black struggle?

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        • How weird, I know a lesbian that doesn’t believe in gay marriage. Would that be the same as if a black person was against the Civil Right movement. What’s the logic?

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      • i think gay people feel like black ppl do when we hear 2520′s say n!gga. Although they may not have meant it like that (ie. quoting rap lyrics) we quick to get mad and offer a back hand to that arse (altough i strongly believe we are the most racist group of pl on the planet). So when i say my homeboy did something gay, i secretly look look over my shoulder, cuz word on the street is that gay guys can FIGHT.

        And Donnell Rawlings had perhaps the greatest response to the gay takeover when he jokingly suggested we have a straight pride day, where all the guys march with beers and dirty wifebeaters, farting and doing man stuff.

        They takin over yo. And is it just me, or do you get jealous when you see a lesbian with a better lining and better looking girlfriend than you?

        #IMJUSTSAYIN

        Disclaimer: No woman is badder than my girl.

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    • so basically if you are not homosexual and don’t want to be confused as such you’re homophobic?? i’m really asking amaur.. what exactly did she say to you?!?!

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      • was trying to prove that “not all young black men are gangstas” and that saying “no homo” implies homophobia which is a “linchpin of gangsta culture”

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        • Burr? She needs to stop. Gangstas ain’t the only ones that refer to themselves as no homos (? lol)… booooo, no homo means “that sound like a homosexual statement but I’m not homosexual”

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        • i hate when people say no homo.

          if you’re not gay, why would you have to use that disclaimer? things are only “homo” if you mean it in a homosexual way.

          i work at a high school and my ears are barraged with this “no homo” thing all day. like i read somewhere else recently (i think it was Cheekie who said it but iono), saying no homo is akin to hugging your mom and saying “no incest.” lol. i just don’t get it.

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      • I think what the teacher was trying to point out was, why do you even need to make that distinction? What is so intrinsically wrong that you would not want to be considered ‘homo’.

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        • And therein lies the rub. This is why the debate is futile. The gay mafia is never going to get straight men to buy into the “what’s wrong if people think your gay?” movement. Not gonna happen, do not pass go, do not collect $200. It’s a non-starter argument. For me its no different than me not wanting people to think I’m a part of the Tea Party, that I like Tyler Perry movies, or that I’m a Miami Heat fan. I just can’t. Both sides should just agree to disagree.

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          • The gay mafia is never going to get straight men to buy into the “what’s wrong if people think your gay?” movement. Not gonna happen, do not pass go, do not collect $200.

            yea, nubian, a man (especially a black man) being thought of as possibly gay is romantic suicide.

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          • You know you can be a black man and be gay, right? I just think a lot of hetero black men are hyper aware of the ‘things’ (spoooooky) that may make them even APPEAR to be gay…and that’s silly to me. What is perceived as ‘gay’will change, so it’s pointless to add a ‘no homo’ to it.

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        • Most people think homosexuality is wrong Nubian. That’s why. People do not want to be associated or accused of being gay and that’s perfectly natural. As a sometimes gay person, this does not offend me. Gays should expect that.

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          • im a sporadically part time gay myself but trying to make ppl like gayness especially hetero males is unrealistic and intrusive… they want to be proud of who they are so hetero men can be proud too… and there are sooo many things ppl don’t want to be confused with… don’t call me a jersey-ite (or whatever they are called), a columbian (i have no beef with my latino ppl but i rep for MY country and no one should have a problem with that), a cellist or whatever… ppl should understand that ppl want to be associated with things that are of themselves and don’t make such a big deal about it…

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      • Actually, that is the problem.

        Who cares if something “sounded” homosexual. Unless you’re a guy with a d!ck in his mouth, it really doesn’t matter. That you need to throw up a disclaimer suggests there is something about homosexuals that you don’t like. Or that by somehow making a statement with a double entendre that refers to homosexual relations, you must then be somehow homosexual. Or that you are afraid that by your statement alone you will be branded a homosexual.

        Pretty much any rationale for that statement fits the definition of homophobic.

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  10. I saw Isaiah Washington’s premier on Single Ladies last night. :-/ So it’s indeed safe to say his career was axed by the gay mafia. Shouts to them. Black America needs to study their technique. Impressive

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  12. Anyway, people of VSB.com, are you also completely scared of the Gay Mafia? Do you check your closets at night for Rosie O’Donnell like I do?
    No and yes.

    Also, can you think of any other examples of their fierceness, and can someone please tell me exactly how they grew to be so damn gangsta?
    They’re gangsta cause they’ve learned how to play the PC card better than any other group on the planet. And these days if you ain’t PC, you ain’t sht.*

    *For the record, I see nothing wrong with homosexuality because I don’t believe it’s a choice for most, it’s just who they are. That’s not PC, that’s just what I believe.

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    • Yeah, once marriage passes in all the liberal states, no one will care about the ‘Gay Mafia’ anymore. That isn’t to say the Gay Rights will end, just the celebrities that bolster their movement will stop caring by them.

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  14. For that Isaiah Washington bit? Yoo stoopid. I say that lovingly and sh-t.

    As a person who loves the gays and most things fabulous, but also went to elementary school in the 90s and was conditioned to call nearly everything from cheese fish to eraser cleaning “gay”… I don’t really have a comment.

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      • I haven’t seen Wanda’s, but I saw another where a customer called something stupid by the cashiers’ names…

        While I can see how it could perhaps be offensive, I don’t see it being homophobic… I’m not afraid of gay people, I’m not scared they’ll take my booty while I’m sleeping, I don’t believe that their marriages will lead to anarchy (though I’m waiting to see if it will, because despite being a registered democrat, something about anarchy excites me)… its just a word.

        A word, as Champ mentioned, they hijacked anyway. Lol

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    • As a person who loves the gays and most things fabulous, but also went to elementary school in the 90s and was conditioned to call nearly everything from cheese fish to eraser cleaning “gay”… I don’t really have a comment.

      to be honest, i’ve actually tried to stop doing this as much recently. maybe i’m getting soft in my old age

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  15. That pic of The Game is just…everything right and wrong about life. LOL

    **This message will not be politically correct.
    Now that I got that out the way, this is what I’m gonna say. I like gay people I think gay people (for the most part) are, indeed, born that way. Having said that though, I don’t think that because you have a rant against gay people in an skit you should be black-balled for life in an industry. Lose a few fans? Sure, I get that, but can’t work in a town anymore? Extreme.

    I’m not for hate speech of any kind. I am for people getting off their high horses and putting things in context. If I cuss out my gay best friend (no really…my best friend from college is gay) and someone over hears me and says “she doesn’t like gays,” they’d be wrong. I was just mad at a CERTAIN gay person, not all of them.

    I feel now days you can’t say you don’t like something or someone controversial or you will be labeled. I don’t know what Tracy Morgan said so I’m not gonna speak on his specific situation. I just know that any time someone comes out (pun) and says anything that may, possibly, in some instance somewhere in the world be offensive, it’s open season on them. No bueno.

    Context is everything.

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  16. buwahaha! Isaiah Washington. Good One. :p The Game shade also pleases me.
    I think the “Gay Mafia” is a close 2nd to the ” Jewish Cartel” in folks who can make your life miserable when trifled with. Maybe it’s the great organizational skills, and follow through?

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    • ok, but the jewish cartel isn’t nothing to mess with. Messing with the gay mafia will give you public humiliation, a possible stint in rehab, and a lot of butt kissing…

      Mess with the jewish cartel and they will mess up your career, finances, family…broker the deal and take 10 percent…

      oy vey

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            • Yep, Miller. Plus, the names more commonly associated with them, -burgs, -steins, and -mans are mostly German but fewer than 1/3 of Jews have those type names.

              I once dated a much older Hasidic Jew, but even before then the idea was interesting to me. The laws, the respect with which they treat their women and the fact that the Jewish line only travels along the mother’s lineage, and so many other things appealed to me. However Jews, especially strict orthodox ones like my Hasid have to discourage converts, so he made me promise to think about it.

              I find myself oddly often attracted to Jewish men; I can always somehow tell. Like Mac Miller (the rapper from Single Ladies)? Jewish. Drake? Jewish. Shia LaBeouf? Jewish.

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              • WoW Tes you’re like a Jewish tour guide! and wow at you dating an much older Hasidic Jewish man..did you ever meet his Mom? Would she have approved?
                I know how older Jewish women speak of “shiksas”.

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                • At thirty years my senior, most of his elder female relations on his mother’s side were gone and by technicality he had to convert as the line stopped with his grandmother. His father liked the idea of me though; he always thought his son would be with a black woman, just one closer to his age of course.

                  And yes, by orthodox rule I’d be the ultimate shiksa as I was much younger than he was, and a gentile (not to mention black). Shiksas are usually the “temptresses” of the Jewish men though, so I guess you’ve got your good and your bad…

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                    • lol Trust me, nobody was more surprised than I was. Imagine me –> with a guy who looks like an older Matisyahu in custom made Hasid Converses.

                      Honestly, dude was everything I could’ve ever wanted in an S/O but the age was just too much in the end and ever since I’ve had a 12 year age cap. #lessonlearned

              • Like Mac Miller (the rapper from Single Ladies)?

                i dont know if i should be happy that rappers from the burgh (him and wiz khalifa) are finally getting some national love or sad that they both suck

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  17. If you make a legend (Marvin Gaye) change his last name for fear of being associated with a lifestyle, you know your power is on some hundred thousand trillion.

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    • I remember reading some paper a long time ago denouncing the “fact” that gay men are some lucrative group taking over the world when the research states that contrary to popular belief on average gay men earn less that their heterosexual counterparts. But I think lesbians earn more than straight women. So although their financial net may not be as wide as one may believe, their influence is unbelievable. I think we (black pple) could learn a thing or two from them.

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  18. The gay mafia is real…

    Just based off the fact that black people have YET to get a formal apology for slavery…yet someone says the word gay (as in a synonym for lame) and Anderson Cooper devites an entire CNN special to it..

    I. Don’t. Get. It.

    Let me add, they also hijacked
    Glee (..a show that was already pretty gay without the addition Kurt’s boo thang)
    dramatic displays of coonery
    Tyler Perry
    body glitter
    the term “tea” ( which is not to be confused with a certain crack filled diabetic coma beverage they sell at Mcdonalds)
    NOLA bounce (my hood heart and soul)
    Every show on E!
    mohawks/frohawks
    all the eligible adopted Asian orphans
    the ability to smile with your eyes
    The entire city of Atlanta, Metro DC, Miami (south beach, north beach, and coconut grove areas), parts of Charlotte, LA, and of course Gay Mecca NYC
    Beyonce (who runs the world was not for actual girls, couldn’t be)
    J-setting, Majorette, and any thing related to a HBCU halftime besides actual playing

    ..just to name a few

    its like people are going out of their way to show that they are OK with it..which is fine..but its starting to turn into the whole “some of my best friends are black” schtick and its getting tired.

    For the record I just seent Isiah Washington on Single Ladies…take that as you will

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    • “Just based off the fact that black people have YET to get a formal apology for slavery…yet someone says the word gay (as in a synonym for lame) and Anderson Cooper devites an entire CNN special to it.”

      Not to mention commercials with dorky celebrities talking about how wrong it is to use the word that way. I think those commercials are pretty gay. Yet and still wes suppose ta jus shrug aw shouldas an foget all bout slavry, wata hoses, lynchins, an what not.

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        • NYC is the most populated city in America by 4,000,000+ of course it has the highest gay population. Everyone is there. When it comes to the percentage of the population, NYC doesn’t get near the top 10. Not to mention that they have little to zero cultural or political power in the city.

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            • Basically….look at our mayor. 13th richest person in the US, ran as a republican and LITERALLY making his own damn rules (straight hijacked a third term) not even our “beloved” Guiliani could do that and he was a 9/11 hero.

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          • They gays have the city planning game on LOCK in NYC. Most people don’t know that because it isn’t an in your face part of the city government work, but please understand that the Office of Planning is foundational to any development that occurs in the city. They have their hands DEEP in that pot.

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      • I may have to disagree on that one…NYC is definitely a mecca…they (gays) are more sophisticated then say their counterparts in Atlanta who ack a fool and perpetuate every sterotype known to man (some not all)

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        • Girl, ALL. They perpetuate ALL the gay stereotypes. Heels? Yep. Skinny jeans? Yes. Hairdressers? Yes. Flamboyant? Yes.

          I don’t know of any gay black male in ATL who isn’t all of the following.

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          • LOL, maybe they don’t stand out to you because they’re not doing that stuff. Is it wrong that I can appreciate a man in skinny jeans and heels? Probably…

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            • yes. and yes.

              you ever wanna feel like less of a woman… go to Lenox mall on a Saturday and see Tyrone strut pass you in 5inch heels while you in flats

              your appreciation tends to wane

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    • ROFL!!!!
      Was that Isaiah Washington??! I was thinking, “He looks so familiar, who is he?” Bwahahahaha, guess Champ’s ending was true to life!! : D

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    • For the record I just seent Isiah Washington on Single Ladies…take that as you will

      Yeah Imma take that as a step down from selling cars. (Though I too im guilty of taking this step down as the show tickles me to death)

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    • I really was upset about IW career being tanked cuz he didn’t like his co-worker and cussed him out. I guess I’m not sensitive to “gay issues” but if two people have a dispute and one of them is gay, then I don’t necessarily think that said person who is not gay in the dispute is homophobic. Mad? yes. Homophobic? not so much.

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    • Great list… it made me consider the fact that the word “tease” may very well be next to go… sigh. It seems every site I go to people are talmbout how such and such is giving “tease” which sounds like something a drag-queen would say… you know, “oh girl you are giving Janet Jackson tease right now” because I’m wearing a black baseball cap? Really? Let it lone.

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    • I feel like we need an NBA style Slavery PSA commercial. I say bring Theo Ratliff or Olden Polynice out of retirement to take the place of Grant Hill and Jared Dudley. And then instead of kids playing basketball on different courts, show cats in prison hooping in the jail yard. If anyone can pull it off, David Stern can.

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    • No one person can ever give a formal apology for slavery. That’s just foolishness.

      Also, Anderson Cooper is gay. You can bet if I were in his position to do an hour long special on racism, I would jump on the opportunity.

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      • sir…no one person can apologize for the mistreatment of gay people…yet everytime someone says something out of pocket thats what they expect…

        like for real..Tracy Morgan has to apologize on effin tour

        but FOX news and any other Repblican can make blatant and serious racists comments and folks start screaming freedom of speech…makes no sense

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  19. I’m not exactly sure how they got to be so gansta. It’s as if any subject matter is fair game unless you gay bash (for comedy that is). Gay bashing in comedy routines should be able to get the nttatwwt stamp, then let the insults begin…no differently than it is for rednecks, porch monkeys, wetbacks, rag-heads, or Christ-killers.

    And, speaking of how they unapologetically hijack sh*t, I’m still trying to figure out a good comeback for when they compare their struggle to the Negro Civil Rights movement. I’m at a loss because I can certainly see the similarities, but damn it, it ain’t the same! How’re they just gonna hijack our struggle to make it like theirs?! :(

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    • When my gay friends say that I just tell them race is a different than sexual orientation. There may be simililarities and I understand they are also fighting for equality but I agree its still different.

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    • i do acknowledge similarities as far as the denial of rights

      HOWEVER, i have had this convo with many a white homosexual counterpart and it always boils down to this…

      at the end of the day if you walked into a Klan meeting and sat down, unless you opened up your mouth announced you are gay no one would be able to distinguish you from the rest of the white population…

      on the other hand..
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtvCTmJOJy4&feature=related

      and therein lies the difference…I can’t hide my blackness, but if a gay person wanted to they could hide the fact that they are gay

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    • a good comeback would be the fact that movement was about human rights and struggle for equality. That you could be able to sit anywhere, play with other black kids, and not be discriminated at work. Dr. King marched for that very same reason. Marches and movements for equality for gays hinder around the right for government to recognize gay marriage, DOMA, and DADT, and rights for patients and partners. I’m for all, but it’s really apples to oranges. At the end of the day, you’re still black and even having a black man in the highest office of the land doesn’t change a thing with racism…I think it highlighted racist factions with that movement as well as others like the Tea party

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      • So you mean marry whoever you want, sit in the hospital room of your loved ones, serve your country without fear because all your fellow soldiers are concerned with is the content of your character and ability on the battlefield. . . yeah, those are not human rights at all.

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        • as in the context of not discriminated due to the color of your skin and not the content of character, due to jim crow and other discrimination laws, and the fact that black people were being hosed and lynched at alarming rates, no, they are not. Unless you had to deal with institutionalized racism where Jim Crow was actually the law of the land against gays, then you can miss me with your argument

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    • Let me give you a hammer and screwdriver.

      1. You can’t tell if someone is gay by looking at them. By what they tell you. They can have straight chex, get married, have kids and then come out. Or not.

      2. There is no gay discrimination in jobs, housing, loans, etc. Because unless they decide to make it obvious, nobody knows. And even then most people don’t care enough to discriminate.

      3. A person can be attracted to the same gender and not act on it. A person can act on it and decide they are not gay. And yes, I think some people do choose to be gay. Some people are confused, some were abused, some are bitter, some do it to be fashionable or different, some to get attention, and some are born with it. Gayness depends entirely on what the person decides to express to the world.

      I overheard an gr person discussing how to include gay people in their diversity plan. She was saying the person has to be “vocally” gay or it wouldn’t be diverse. How cb you have diversity with a closet gay?

      Black is a race. It’s not a lifestyle. It’s not an action. It’s not an expression or political position.

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      • Being gay is not a lifestyle. Or an action. Or an expression or political position.

        How do they include black people in their diversity plan? I’d assume you’d include gay people, women, or anyone else in exactly the same way. If not. . . then it’s not really a diversity plan is it?

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        • You make it seem like the diversity plan is something where black people or the people represented are required to participate. And that if they are including gay people, then they would need to find at least one to be a part of it.

          Hiring a black person doesn’t mean your hiring practice is any less racist than it used to be. Changing the culture such that it doesn’t matter the racial background of your applicants does. Quotas exist because it is easier to legislate what people do than what they think. What you described sounds more like it fits into the what people do section, than what they think – which is where I’d associate something that would go into a diversity plan.

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        • Being gay is not a lifestyle? Not an action? Not a political position? Im not so sure.

          Are you gay if you never have sex with the same gender, but you want to? Are you gay if you did but didn’t like it? Are you gay if you did it once and did like it, but decide to stick with a straight life? Are you gay if you switch teams in the middle of your life?

          Those questions can’t be answered with any certainty. So its not a simple matter of being born gay and case closed. As much as they keep repeating it, truth keeps seeping in.

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  21. They are probably gangsta because in most places and circles it takes a lot of fierceness to be out and proud. So #1, they are strong enough not to back down. #2: they are influential. Some stuff would be crippled without the mafia. Where would Oprah be without her gay hairdresser? Did he do her makeup too? If her makeup artist was gay, where would she be without that dude??? They can gain many powerful allies with influence. #3: they don’t have surprise children or divorce (well they didn’t have divorce) so they can build and maintain wealth more easily. Money is powerful. You have to be about your dollars to survive if mummy and daddy have disowned you, you’re never going to marry a sugar daddy, or if you don’t automatically inherit your partner’s wealth by law. Alladat is why they are so gangsta.

    I don’t live in fear of the gay mafia, because they’re my friends so I’m somewhat informed on their movements. You only fear what you don’t know and don’t understand.

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  23. And imo, if the jokes had actually been funny, we wouldn’t even be talking about Tracy. But Mr. Morgan seemed hella serious about what he said and therefore came off as hateful and ignorant in the absence of humor. When people aren’t laughing, they are left to think just how fcked up what you said really was. Tracy got Kramered. Tis all.

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  24. Thats one thing I dont like the mafia comparing gay to being black. I didnt choose my color I can’t hide it behind clothes or change it with the way I talk or act. This was not a choice for me and even if some argue they were born homosexual like I was born black the big difference is unless they get a tattoo on their forehead that says “Im Gay,” no one will know for sure that they are gay like they know for sure that I am black. My only issue with that.

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    • That issue is everything though. My blackness isn’t up for debate. I can’t “pass” for anything other than someone with origins from Africa. I’m fine with that. While I do believe some gay folks are born gay, regardless of origin, unless they are flamboyant, one can’t tell that they’re gay.

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    • Actually you can. Just most people are too afraid to do it. There are chemicals or fire can remove a few layers of skin. After that, you look the same as everyone else who has lost the same amount of skin. Done right, nobody will be able to tell afterwards whether you’re black or not.

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  25. I think any entertainer in Hollywood that doesn’t acknowledge the fact that they need to be pc and maybe even embrace gays is asking to be blackballed. Although very different, gays and Jews rule Hollywood and exert an almost unreal power over the entertainment industry. Even though gays may not be “accepted” and there is a lot of Anti Semitism going around, it will not endear you to anyone to express those sentiments when they (gays and Jews) butter your bread. Ask Megan Fox, Mel Gibson, and Isaiah Washington. There are some instances where being pc goes overboard but when you are discriminated against because of your sexual orientation that is worn and our laws should punish people who commit hateful acts against homosexuals. However (sorry for pushing the Jew issue but I thought it was relevant) having laws that make denying the Holocaust existed a crime is pushing it.

    Ok rant over. But yeah I get why people shiver in their boots when confronted by the potential power of the Gay Mafia.

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    • But it’s interesting how fickle Hollywood can be. They will protest, and appeal to the government on behalf of a convicted rapist who happens to be a ‘good’ director, yet black ball a good actor for merely SAYING something.

      And Mel Gibson only really started getting bad ‘luck’ because he just kept going..and going..and going, a la Charlie Sheen. Let 5-6 years go by. I BET we will be hearing from those dudes again and how Hollywood has ‘forgiven and forgotten’.

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      • No only Roman Polanski, but Woody Allen too!

        Plus, they stay lookin’ out for Morgan Freeman and he dated his granddaughter through marriage. It’s not a blood relative, but it’s unsavory and was his wifes’s blood relative.

        I agree that Hollywood is selective in memory and who they want to bring to the mat.

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      • All my benefit-of-the-doubt for Mel Gibson left when I heard the voicemail message he left his ex implying that she would “….get raped by a pack of nigg*rs”. #NoloveforMelPassionoftheChristGibson

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  26. The gays have taken over the word “work” and I am no longer able to use this word without associating it with someone dancing or strutting down a cat walk. Along with “work”, the words “live” & “yes” have been drafted by the gays. Vocabulary as we know it is on the brink of having to be completely redefined or having additional meanings tacked on -____-

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  27. I just finished the book “Mogul” by Terrence Dean last night…that book was ALL about the Gay Mafia in hip hop, and supposedly based on real folks. Definitely a good read.

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  29. When you think about it, this was kind of inevitable. Every group of men that decided to redirect the time and monetary resources dedicated to perusing women and raising kids to achieving a goal has pretty much changed the course of history. Jesus, the knights templar, the Catholic church, the various Michael Jacksons, the Roman Army, Seinfeld and George Kastanza in that one episode are just a few examples.

    If you think about the amount of time, effort and money men put into chasing women and the major side effects (kids, raising a family), about 90% of our lives are dedicated to it (conservative estimate). Propagating the species really cuts into your free time.

    Gay men are literally built for that, and G-mobbing is a natural consequence of our new found tolerance and how it is now acceptable for them to pool their resources and work towards common “ends” in ways that don’t involve the designing of couture handbags or choreography of some type. You wouldn’t expect to find a large group of gay men in any chick’s box, but when we opened Pandora’s this is what we found.

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    • #truth. It’s amazing the amount of resources that go towards women, kids and the maintenance (or acquisition as well, in the case of women) of relationships thereof. Ask any new single dude about the amount of free time and cash he has post-breakup. LOL

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  30. I hate PC and the general population is a bunch of dumbazz sheep. I make “offensive” comments in jest often and don’t pull punches. At least I’m equal opportunity with it because, well, see that first sentence again. That being said, eff the gay mafia and the glitter ponies they frolicked in on. If you’re gay, you’re gay. No need to be a biatch about it.

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    • And last I checked I thought the whole purpose of comedy was to be able to poke fun at whomever you chose without a filter. Nobody said the joke had to actually be funny. Hell most of Tracy’s jokes aren’t funny and nobody was complaining before.

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  32. Totally agree with NikSmit…if you are a member of one of the most harassed and ridiculed groups in society, you really don’t have a lot to lose in trying to get respect. So you can get loud and go in on folks, bc you have some powerful supporters. And I think other people support the GLBT movement so much because not doing so in this day and age brands you as moralistic, intellectually deficient and/or hateful, i.e., hardcore Christian or hypocritical Republican. Most people will do anything possible not be associated with these. As a Christian, I have a hard time explaining that I don’t support homosexuality, but this is America and the GLBT community not only has every right to, but should be able to live without abuse and in peace. So I have to be extra careful about what I say, and how I say it *Kanye shrug*

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    • Let me amend that…some people support the GLBT movement bc of fear of what others think or a desire to be current. Definitely not all, or even a majority…

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  33. “Isiah Washington” ***dead***

    My biggest thought through this whole thing is that it’s unfortunate the “Black Mafia” doesn’t have the same strength for whatever reason. Don Imus didn’t go visit Black girls on Chicago’s Southside, Dog the Bounty Hunter didn’t go visit young Black kids who (like me) grew up in small damn near all-White towns and get called “n***a” on a daily basis. Those cats were back on air within what? Six months? Maybe they benefit from the fact that the people around them are like them. There aren’t any Black women on Imus’ staff, Dog doesn’t employ any Black folk because, as he so eloquently pointed out, his family likes to use the word “n***er sometimes.” Tracy Morgan works with gay people on the set of 30 Rock so he had to pay his penance I guess. Maybe it’s messed up that I viewed this as another example of “keeping a Black man in his place” but that’s how I felt.

    Trust that I understand bullying is terrible – again, I spent part of elementary school and middle school in a little town in Iowa, one of only three Black students in the school and got called everything from “n***er to Kunta” but this whole kick that GLAAD has been on about bullying leads to suicide is getting out there. As if all gay teens are gonna off themselves because a famous person said something out of pocket.

    Somebody feel free to correct me if I’m wrong but thinking suicide is a viable option speaks more to that persons strength of character or the way they were raised because I’ll tell you what, there wasn’t a moment on my darkest day when I wanted to end MY life or shoot up them folks either. My parents taught me and I believed I was being taken through something so later I could help others, and to this day my volunteer service is dedicated to helping youth.

    IMO, GLAAD does themselves and the gay youth they are supposed to concerned about a disservice when they blow this incident up. Parading Tracy Morgan around apologizing and sympathizing is stupid. Nobody takes him seriously, look at his stand-up, watch his character on 30 Rock. (And I say that as someone who’s watched that show since the beginning.) If GLAAD was serious they’d have people who’d been there go talk to kids/parents about how things get better and can work out well. They’d host self-esteem workshops for ALL teens. This whole they’re always the victim and being wronged is getting old to me. The reality is there will always be bigots and idiots in the world, but what are you doing to help people deal with and overcome those types of people?

    End of diatribe.

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      • Yeah I’m not sure about the whole “suicide relates to the person’s character or lack thereof” thing. I think the “It Gets Better” movement not only addresses school bullying, but the lack of parental and familial support a lot of young gay teens receive from home. Being disowned, and ostracized by your family and community is difficult.

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    • “Somebody feel free to correct me if I’m wrong but thinking suicide is a viable option speaks more to that persons strength of character or the way they were raised because I’ll tell you what, there wasn’t a moment on my darkest day when I wanted to end MY life or shoot up them folks either. My parents taught me and I believed I was being taken through something so later I could help others, and to this day my volunteer service is dedicated to helping youth.”

      Many gays don’t have the support of their parents, peers, or anybody else. They don’t see a light ant the end of the tunnel and don’t think things will ever get better.

      And I think suicide has little to do with strength of character or upbringing and more to to with overall mental and emotional health.

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      • “And I think suicide has little to do with strength of character or upbringing and more to to with overall mental and emotional health.”

        I kind of think it is a more even mixture of both. There are cases where a kid may have a diagnosable mental health issue, that untreated could lead to suicide. But other cases are of kids that just don’t have the emotional upbringing and parental support that can get them through tough times. A vigilant parent might be able to pick up on a mental issue or suicidal tendencies and get treatment.

        There is always a Nature vs Nurture argument, however I lean towards a mixture of the two. Your genes have instructions, however those instructions can and will be altered based on your environment.

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    • “Somebody feel free to correct me if I’m wrong but thinking suicide is a viable option speaks more to that persons strength of character or the way they were raised because I’ll tell you what, there wasn’t a moment on my darkest day when I wanted to end MY life or shoot up them folks either.”

      Depression has nothing to do with upbringing or circumstance. It is an illness.

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    • @madamezenobia

      I don’t get your point. In your first paragraph you are upset that the Black community doesn’t have the same power, and then in the last you say it’s a ‘disservice’ to make this a bigger issue. Black folks have made racial injustice an issue in America (see: Civil Rights Movement) AND we have people Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, and the like jumping in the mix to scream bloody outrage about issues when come up….how the larger community coalesces around it is a different story.

      Also, there IS an amazing campaign entitled “It Get’s Better”, by popular columnist Dan Savage, and celebrities (and our president) have gotten on Youtube to tell gay teens it does get better. Don’t think for one minute that suicide isn’t a real issue, because a lot of young black men struggle with it to. You can see the it gets better campaign here: http://www.youtube.com/user/googlechrome?v=7skPnJOZYdA&feature=pyv&ad=7478932977&kw=it%20gets%20better

      You forget as well that a number of gay teens don’t have the support systems of their families, let alone the rest of their communities.

      I just disagree with your whole premise.

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      • Which is fine, not everyone’s going to agree with each other, but let me see if I can clarify a few things.

        1.) I’m not upset so much as I find it interesting that when the Imus/Bounty Hunter incidents happened in the media the conversation shifted very quickly from their comments to the fact that rappers use the “n” word and disrespect women in their lyrics. Nobody has defended TM by saying “Well, I know gay people who….(use the “f” word or make violent statements against other gays) etc. As to Al & Jesse, anytime the come on TV, the first thing out of pundits’ mouths are “they’re using the race card.” Anytime something offensive happens toward our community in this day and age, the incident gets trivialized with that one phrase “the race card.” In a sense the blame gets put back on Black folks or our community. That doesn’t happen when things happen to gay folks. There’s an immediate outcry, you’re painted as horrible and you end up selling cars to The Champ. (And by the way, I don’t remember anybody taking up for nerds or socially awkward kids in the ’90′s when they were shooting up schools because of bullies. It became “what music are they listening to?” or “Kids will be kids, bullying is a part of high school” or “Should we prosecute the parents?”)

        2.) I think it’s a disservice to blow up the Tracy Morgan incident. Again, he’s a comedian known for saying dumb, ignorant stuff for the sake of saying dumb ignorant stuff. He’s not Chappelle or Rock, who try to use “ignorance” as satire or to make people think. TM just says whatever, if people laugh, they laugh. If they don’t they don’t. He doesn’t care, their money’s already in his pocket.

        3.) I know suicide is real, I’ve lost a few friends to suicide. (Though not because of sexual orientation issues) And maybe it was a bit of bitterness that caused me to say “strength of character”, because they did come from loving environments with plenty of people who reached out and tried to help them toward the end, but they made the choice to end their lives anyway. I will say thank you to all the respondents who mentioned mental illness, I forgot that can be a HUGE factor. Also for reminding me that not everyone has support systems.

        4.) I’ve seen a few youtube “It Gets Better” vids, I thought they were great. I just wish they would do more grassroots stuff. Hosting things in communities where this incidents occur to show all the kids that they can interact with each other, that they aren’t so different from each other, help take away the stigma.

        Anywho, I hope that clarifies a few things. My original post was written on my phone so I only had so much space. Happy Wednesday to everybody.

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      • It’s entirely possible I don’t. I know they have a strong lobby in DC and statehouses, I know they can organize large protests in a short time, I know that everytime someone famous says something they don’t agree with they’re there with statements of outrage. As to what they do for people on a local level in the form of programming such as workshops or events to bring people together – I haven’t the foggiest. Again, I live in Iowa which is supposedly one of the gay-friendliest states in the nation and I lived in the capitol city (and was at the Capitol) the day gay marriage passed and honestly I don’t remember GLAAD being there. I’m not saying they weren’t but the loudest most vocal groups were Iowa-based groups, who DO do those types of programs and outreach for our gay population, of all ages. (Especially One Iowa – greaaaaat group.)

        Honestly, I equate GLAAD to PETA and the Parental Television Council (the group that tries to get every controversial thing off TV.) Groups that make a lot of noise nationally and have big lobbies but have little to do hands-on with the group they represent. However, I’m all for learning more, so you can always add info about what GLAAD does that should be included.

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  34. *Controversial question and thought here*

    Gay Mafia hijacks (borrows?) the power to destroy black people..

    Question: has any white person who (merely) said anything against gays had their career destroyed? (Serious answers..because I don’t feel like doing research right now).

    And I’m not talking about white men who try to pass laws against gays and then get caught in gay affairs..

    I’m talking about merely saying something publicly and then getting their careers destroyed over it. First Isaiah and now Tracey – his career is TBD.

    Anyone read “The Help”? This whole gay mafia treatment reminds me of the black maid’s fear of white women. *Spoilerish so beware* In the book the black maids were more afraid of white women then they were white men, because they knew what to expect from white men. However white women were more subtle. First they fire you. Then they tell all their friends about it. Your husband is fired (or harassed, or lynched..whatever they feel is appropriate). Then maybe your house will be taken away. Then your kids kicked out of school. Move to visit a cousin..your cousin get’s fired, and the process starts all over again. #ExtremeHarassmentJimCrowEdition.

    *looking over my shoulder* Okay..I might be thinking on this a little too hard. I don’t condone what Isaiah or Morgan said. But the mere saying something having so much power to destroy a person is just….

    Yet at the same time, OTHER folks get away with saying stuff that infringes on our civil rights, our jobs, our safety, our President, women. Briebart, Stern, Micheal Richards (Kramer on Seinfeld) ..

    Okay, I’m done. If you find my head is swimming with the fishes you know why.. *sigh*

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    • Agreed!

      Obama has been called all kinds of coon, monkey, jigga boo, etc. and I seriously doubt anyone has had to suffer any real consequences from saying or depicting our Head of State as such. I’m amazed at how the gays get the royal treatment whenever their feelings are hurt and yet black people have to wait 200+ years for the acknowledgement of any injustices done to us -___-

      I’ll be the first to say I have not nary a fcuk to give when it comes to someone sullying the gay name/image. These United States has owed generations of black folks and Native Americans countless dollars, land, and respect but I don’t see any press conferences set up to right those wrongs.

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      • Ummm gay people did not have the “royal” treatment, handed to them. That is a result of lobbying, organizing,capital and work. And just because certain minority groups have not mobilized to have the same influence, does not validate nor excuse discrimination, and verbal abuse.
        Why in the blue hell would you harbor resentment towards the gay community, for blacks and native American’s not getting an official apology?
        And how does that attitude help resolve any of those issues?

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        • I do not harbor resentment towards the gay community at all. There is a stark contrast in the way certain situations are handled when it comes to the gay community and other minority groups. Yes, the gay community has mobilized itself into an extremely effective group and others should definitely take note. People of high profile catch hell when it comes to statements made against the gay community which aren’t even necessarily homophobic (sometimes). And no, I don’t seek to down play the social injustices which the gay community has been subjected to over the years. But the same cannot be said when unjust statements coming from the mouths of celebrities, politicians, and the like are made against other minority groups be it racial, religious or what have you.

          Saying one has the right to free speech is walking a thin line these days when you have to always recant the things you say to appease the masses. I’m certainly not for anyone having to endure verbal abuse whether they’re gay, white, purple, Jewish, etc.

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        • Why in the blue hell would you harbor resentment towards the gay community, for blacks and native American’s not getting an official apology?
          And how does that attitude help resolve any of those issues?

          —

          We shouldn’t really. Two wrongs don’t make a right.

          However, what I do resent is the idea that the gay community trying to appeal to minority communities on the idea of social justice when in some instances they don’t seem to be affording us the same respect.

          I do not have specific stats to give you, but it is definitely possible for gay people to be racist and discriminatory. White gay males will always have an advantage merely because they are white. Don’t forget that.

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          • I get what you’re saying, but that resentment and aggravation is best directed at our own communities, and archaic ineffective organizations *coughs NAACP*
            Refusing to be sympathetic to someone else’s plight, because you feel your own is not properly acknowledged is illogical to me.

            I also find it interesting that so many people on here seem to be ignoring the fact that the gay community comprises of more than just that top 10% of affluent white gay males. There are like, black gay people to. Do they count?

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              • Nods head…True..True. Jesus Gon work it out, Worked for Eddie Lon..
                But seriously everybody is acting like black gay people don’t exist. Or the two are seperate. U either gay, or black. They’re like the equivalent to black latino’s. Folks know they exist, but rarely wish to acknowledge them, and they get rejected from both of the minority groups they belong to.

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                • ¡¡¡¡¡¡¡WEPA!!!!!!

                  black gays aren’t put in the mainstream gay pocket because they are not the ones that run the fashion, makeup and dance music industries and everyone knows all black gays are on the dl ;)

                  SN: to be honest i get much more “flack” from non-latin blacks… often telling me that i’m either black or latin or making it some kind of your not really black thing etc.. as for other latinos… speak a lil spanish, twirl to some salsa or cook some bistec encebollao and you’re in like swimwear

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                  • @ Yoles.
                    Yeah I see that a lot. It was kind of like when LaLa had some article talking about the marginalization of black Latinos in both communities, and the reaction from what I’m assuming to be predominately black audience was “Shut Up” .

                    Though non-hispanic blacks may be more upfront with their rejection, whenever I see an image ambassador, for Central, and South American countries, and some islands. Regardless of their majorly black population, the black peoples are rarely chosen as the “face” of representation ie : Cuba, and Columbia. I mean I’m not a black latino, (regardless of the various Puerto Rican day parades I attend), but I could imagine that such lack or representation and acknowledgment on a global scale must suck.

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                    • it really does ‘suck’ to not be represented, to have to explain that we are here and still standing and to always have to use a baseball player as an example of a blatino because the media doesn’t show any others… shoo i’m still waiting for a novela to have a black star other than xica (excellent by the way) but she was a courtesan that slept her way into power and prestige.

                • Oh please believe, as someone who is a certified HIV counselor and screener (though I have now moved on to policy work), I have not forgotten about Black Gay Men and the many issues involving them.

                  Gay Black men aren’t innocent. However, a lot of that is rooted in them suffering being the double minority and not knowing how to deal with it. Black people as a whole are partly to blame.

                  It just bugs me how white people, still manage to get away with their injustices, and continue to rip us to shreds when we make the same ‘mistakes’. Then turn it around on us with: “We have discriminated/hated/lynched against you for years.. how dare you discriminate against us, don’t you of all people know what it feels like?”

                  GRRR$#@(&(*&(^%%&^%!!!!

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                  • Yeeeah a lot of generalizing goin on here. For some reason when I think of the gay community I’m not exactly envisioning this Log Cabin Republican group you seem to be evoking.
                    What you seem to be frustrated with is white male privilege.
                    The only white actor I can remember who got in trouble for saying something perceived as homophobic was Jerry Lewis, who later (via lobbying from GLAAD) made a public apology. However rappers say homophobic slurs, with ease with little to no consequence.

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                    • “However rappers say homophobic slurs, with ease with little to no consequence.”

                      Very true! Did Eminem ever have to suffer any consequences for his numerous homophobic slurs? Out of most mainstream rappers he’s definitely one of the ones who constantly threw around the F-bomb

                    • Not so much generalization as it is what I have experienced. I have never said “all gay white men’ behave this way.. nor have I given any statistics to imply that. The nature of this conversation is anecdotal in general.

                      In my experience, black latino’s aren’t rejected by the black community in particular. But that doesn’t invalidate your experience. I wouldn’t dare judge it as a generalization and leave it at that..

                      But you are right. My problem is white privilege and how it can be used against us by whites and gays. I could have said it simply..but it’s not as much fun. ;)

                    • Well, Black people are accepting of everyone who they believe openly embraces their culture. Like Robin Thicke is beloved because he is perceived to love Black culture because he sorta sings Soul and he is married to a Black woman. The problem with being accepted as black + anything else is that you either have to successful first or have a higher than average knowledge of whatever culture you come from.

                      I remember an ESPN story about Hines Ward after he won the Super Bowl about how on his previous trips to South Korea he was shunned by his family, but after he became a Super Bowl Champion we was openly embraced by his entire estranged family there.

                      And speaking personally, every time I inform someone that I’m Panamanian I’m expecting to give a dissertation of my entire family history for the past 5 generations before I am believed. Either that that or be able to speak Spanish on a Master’s Degree level. I’m still able to pull Latinas though.

                    • @Misty
                      Rappers kinda fall in a gray area where they can get away with gay slurs because of their occupation. Tracy gets paid of the backs of gay people. Even if we assume that music execs are gay it still doesn’t matter cause the gay communities isn’t in large part supporting the genre. Therefore how is a gay boycott of all things rap going to cause a ripple in the water?

      • There are black people who are gay, but there aren’t really many gay black people if you get what I mean. You’ll notice there’s is rarely ever any non-white representation of homosexuality unless they need to talk to one of the coloreds. Hell, the only time women are brought up is to have a ‘softer face’ for representation at the time. Please, please believe that isn’t all rainbows and sunshine in their community. There is still white male hierarchy strongly in tact with them.

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  35. They have hijacked “affection” amongst same sexes. I think that there are many cultures that recognize and celebrate same sex affection without it being relegated to sexuality but unfortunately within this country it has become very black and white-you kiss boys and are a boy you are gay but yet african american males celebrate Italian mafia culture which allows for same sex affection. We as african mericans do not and it really narrows our perception and experience of affection and to some extent love because it becomes so boxed in. All I can say about my homosexual sisters and brothers is that they seem to allow for a larger experience for what it means to be a man and a woman and at the end of the day that seems to expand life rather than retract it.

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    • There is a small amount of turn-around from that I think (or maybe it just fits into what you are talking about)- the whole “Bromance” phenomenon, “I Love You Man,” you got Will Ferrell tongue kissing Sasha whatever down the throat. Wasn’t there a minor din when Lil’ Wayne kissed Baby? I think it’s becoming more acceptable and less black and white.

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    • I would agree. My group of friends kiss hello and goodbye within our group – male or female and there are gay men and women in that group. The looks we get can be crazy. As if a kiss on the check or a quick peck on the mouth will turn you lesbian or gay. Or when dudes she me kiss a female friend and get all juvenile asking “Ooooh, are you bi? Do you like girls?” No, we are affectionate. That’s it. And there’s nothing wrong with it. I also don’t like gay folk who try to parlay that into “Oooh, you know you want to try it, you’re curious aren’t you? You do it with a women, wouldn’t you?” No, we are affectionate. That’s it. And there’s nothing more to it. Why can’t things just be what they are?

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  36. I work for the gay mafia.

    I’m actually the assistant to the Director of Gangsta Development and Community Terrification. I would tell you more about it, but then I’d have to kill you.

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  37. “Who made the rule that if you say “American Apparel” five times in the mirror, Nathan Lane will jump out and disembowel you?” BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH! *sigh* funny…

    Anywho, to answer this: “can someone please tell me exactly how they grew to be so damn gangsta?”

    - Large disposable income
    - collectivism
    - the organization that come from being (mostly) white

    More power to ‘em.

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  38. Can someone please tell me exactly how they grew to be so damn gangsta?

    Because they are like black grandmas!
    They say “hot mess”, “ooo chile” and “fierce”.They walk like a black grandma, love to gossip and ‘drank’, they love to wear lipstick… especially outside the lines, they have to sew because they can never find the type of clothes they want to wear, they wear wigs and pearls from time to time, have great sex/relationship advice, they have the best catchphrases like a good grandma and the best bangs (and bang flipping ability for that matter) that I’ve seen. They have complex/ over the top relationships with God, they love to jump and twirl at church, and have perfected the side eye.

    They flip their hair at anyone who tries to tell them anything because like black grandmas the way they live their lives will not be questioned. They also have a way of telling you about their sufferings/whole life stories (“all my life I had to fight…”) like a black granny, making you cry and apologize for ever saying whatever it is that you said to them.

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  39. Not to mention – mysterious taken over major cities all across the world for entire weekends and hijacked the word “PRIDE” to celebrate said weekend………… sigh

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  40. Lol this is probably the same way white people feel about black people. We all need to calm our @sses the hell down and realize that none of us have the “right” answer. Therefore, there’s no reason to fear anyone, and that includes gay people. Everyone has their own path to happiness, and it really shouldn’t be judged by anyone else unless in infringes on others’ rights. What has the gay community done that is a threat to any of us? Nothing? That’s what I thought. So why don’t we leave them alone? They are people just like we are, who happen to love people of the same sex. It’s nothing to worry about or be afraid of. How bout we leave them alone? Is that out of the question?

    p.s. I’m a little drunk (and maybe slightly high on something, don’t tell my mom) but out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks, and I’m being very real about my feelings right now. I believe that these times for gay people are similar to the Civil Rights Movement for black people, and we really just need to let them live. Fxck what you were taught growing up, I believe that our God is a God of love, and if you happen to love someone of your same sex then whatever. As long as you’re not hurting anyone, you’re okay. Black people need to just get with it and accept people for who they are. Gay is okay. Can we please just get over it?

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      • Lol that’s exactly what I am. I stay buying rounds, for both friends and strangers, and regretting it in the morning.

        I love everybody when I’m sober too, though. :)

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    • Fxck what you were taught growing up

      Kinda random (but kinda related) I’m totally not comparing black and gay struggles but when people say that they’re religion tells them that gays are not okay its kind of like how people used religion for racism.

      Makes me wonder if religion is now the scapegoat/ to blame for homophobia…

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      • Oh yeah, people are quick to use religion to justify all kinds of hurtful, prejudiced behavior. It’s a real problem.

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    • “Black people need to just get with it and accept people for who they are. Gay is okay. Can we please just get over it?”

      How do you accept something that you don’t agree with?

      i’m just saying, i don’t go around trying to change David Duke’s mind… *shrug*

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      • “Accepting” and “agreeing” are two different things. You don’t have to “agree” with a complete stranger’s sexual orientation, but “accept” you have the misfortune of living in a world amongst people with different orientations, faith’s, races, and background.

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        • Basically. I’m not saying we need to all wave rainbow flags in our yards; just do you and let them do them.

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          • True but The thing is “GAY” is being shoved down our throats, it almost seems as if the LGT Community isn’t happy with us just excepting their life style but they want us to love it just like they do. I mean now you have “straight women” making out other straight women like it’s the norm. The Gay community has great PR even if Racism and discrimination goes in that community (and yes it happens in that community) they know how to cover it up and come tighter for the bigger cause. Our community as of lately; doesn’t follow through when an injustice is made. Like the Cops who shot Sean Bell we should have had that whole NYPD doing sensitivity training and going to black community to meet the locals.
            I know there’s gay black ppl I mean every time I turn around some young girl is gay and dating another girl and I work in SOHO so the gay dudes are out there heavy.
            As far as the NAACP we have to remember that a lot of the members on that board are very old and even have a hard time passing on the responsibly of the NAACP to younger black members who might be more open minded on certain subjects.
            While I think the GAY struggle is similar to the struggle of the Black community in certain areas, at the end of the day when I fill out a job app it does not ask me if I’m GAY/LESBIAN but it still ask me if I’m Black or another nationality (and while I know you can decline to state your sex and race when you get to the interview they’ll figure it out)

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            • How exactly is it being shoved down our throats? What you described is basically them existing. It sounds like you (and not just you) want them to be “quieter,” or less conspicuous. Is that it? It’s cool as long as we don’t have to see it?

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              • The straight women things was just a joke but I mean , every ch gay this gay that they want to teach kids about gay sex in health class and im not talking about highschool health class, younger ages than that.Im from new york ( they have these or they use to have those homo thug posters in the subway )
                I dont care if their seen. Im saying sometimes the media makes us feel force feed to have to love the gay community and everything they stand for and when we disagree or rightful say I respect you as a person but dont rock with your lifestyle your a homophobe/or you hate gays

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              • I didnt say they force them (it was more of a random outburst that i just typed )
                but we cant say that gay has become a trend for some ppl and the media has made it into a trend for some.

                I dont care about gay ppl being seen or heard If ppl read the whole comment I didnt say anything about gays jumpinmgnback in the closet. I refered to the idea that just because just b/c this is your lifestyle and this is how you live dose’nt mean that ppl who respectivly dont agree with it are hateful and they keep force feeding us that if ppl dont agree with their lifestyle or choice partner thta some how we are homophobic hateful or want to harm them when it most cases its more of even though I dont roll that way or dont believe in it thats your buisness.

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    • I think we have to keep in mind (whether sober or drunk) that morality is inherently subjective. And without an agreed upon arbiter on who is the final moral authority it’s fine for you to say “Gay is okay”.

      What can’t do is be in the business of saying a moral is ok, as long as it’s ours (or that are morals are actually object facts and not opinions). The person who believes “Gay is not okay” has just as much right and authority to hold that position as the person that says “Gay is okay”. No?

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      • Yes, they do have the right to believe it’s not okay. There are no Belief Police, try as people might. But too many people who believe it’s not okay will try to force those beliefs on others, take away others’ rights, and/or hurt people who are different. This is what isn’t cool, and while I get what you mean when you say “morality is inherently subjective,” there is a right and wrong when it comes to how we treat people. MLK, in an argument for why black people should be treated as equals, said something along the lines of this: any act that intentionally damages the human spirit is immoral. Period. Makes sense to me.

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        • Most of the people who believe that gay is not okay are not trying to hate, kill, or deny anyone’s rights. But they get bullied with terms like homophobic, bigot etc just because of what they believe.

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          • Yeah I know I see people crying for days in a fetal position after being called “homophobic” on a blog :|

            However I do see a lot of people writing about how homosexuals are disgusting, pedophiles who are evil, and will burn in hell…guess that don’t matter though.

            And while a lot of people who don’t agree with someone’s religious orientation don’t protest about it in the streets. There are several groups who do. I’ve never seen a group of homosexuals holding signs of “God Hate’s You” outside of a heterosexual’s funeral procession. Never saw a group of homosexuals jump on a “flamboyant” heterosexual..
            And in 3rd world countries hetero’s are not being raped and hung for liking the opposite sex
            Sure it might not be as hurtful and traumatic as being called a bigot….on a blog :|
            But having stranger’s viscerally hate you and want to kill you..can be daunting.

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            • Exactly. Great comment, Misty.

              Also, people keep talking about how gay people can hide the fact that they’re gay like that is a solution. Please miss me with that. Having to hide who you are just to be accepted- not only by society but even by your loved ones- is like being a prisoner in your own body. Can you imagine how depressing that must be? A lot of these comments today are very upsetting to me…where is the empathy? I mean, we of all people should understand what it feels like to be ostracized and psychologically (hell, physically too) beat down because of a social identity. But I guess when it’s not one of our own identities, we forget.

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              • Gurl black folk can “Kanye” some oppression. This all reminds me of an episode of Moesha (bear with me) I think her then Hispanic boyfriend painted a mural in the lunchroom celebrating latin heritage and Ceasar Chavez. Anyway the black kids were upset because they did not have a mural celebrating black heritage. Though THEY did not even have the idea to paint one for themselves. Ultimately it became a racially divisive issue, and the “Latin Heritage” mural was defaced by presumably a black student. I remember old dude turning around and saying “It’s like if it’s not about you all (black folks) it doesn’t deserve to be recognized, this is NOT ALWAYS ABOUT YOU!”
                That shyt was poignant as hell.And that scene has looped in my head while reading these comments.
                Sure black folk are the repeat champions of being screwed. Yay.
                But why can’t we let other people express their struggles w/o having to remind them “Black People Have The Worst Oppression Of ALLL Time!!”.

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                • Nobody would be making a most oppressed argument if the gay mafia wasn’t hunting black folks with the “you beta show solidarity” stick. Ever notice that its always us gettin called out for being “bigots”? Ever notice that? They started this sh*t, thinking we could all be punked. Easy targets, everybody would jump on board about the evil bigoted black people. Even the black people.

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              • When ppl (well atleats me) refer to hide Im not talking about someone staying in the closet or not being who they are. Im just saying when you see a black person 9 times out of ten you know they are black, you cant tell a person (well most ppl) are gay unless you ask them. What you do in your bed room is only known if you tell the world that goes for gay and straight ppl.

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        • *there is a right and wrong when it comes to how we treat people.*

          And again, herein lies the problem, who deterimes what that right or wrong is? Who determines what is damaging to the human spirit? What if you aren’t a fan of Dr. King? (They exist you know). Who says that that is the definitive measure by which we should all be measured. It’s all subjective. It always is when we’re talking about values.

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          • And again, herein lies the problem, who determines what that right or wrong is? Who determines what is damaging to the human spirit?

            I honestly don’t think determining how to treat people and some instances of “right and wrong” are that subjective. As simplistic as it may be the “Golden Rule” is inherently logical. I think our commonalities in human emotion, and experience can definitely help us understand what constitutes as unfair and fair treatment of each other, and what is damaging.

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            • The Golden Rule itself is an ethic, a moral, a belief even. What exactly makes it objective? Which culture is more moral, the one that bases it self on “The Golden Rule” or the one that bases itself on “Only The Strong Survive” ? It’s completely subjective, you could make an argument that either approach could successfully advance society but neither represents any objectively verified truth. In the absence of the an undisputed moral authority, people are justified in taking ANY moral or value that they want… even the ones we don’t agree with.

              *I honestly don’t think determining how to treat people and some instances of “right and wrong” are that subjective.*

              Neither do people who follow the Bible. Somehow I doubt you would come to similar conclusions on what that right and wrong this is however, and therein lies the problem.

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              • I don’t think I implied that the “Golden Rule” was “objective”. What I’m saying is treating people how you would want to be treated is logical. Regardless to whatever ideal it is attached to.
                As “subjective” as morality is, you cannot deny the human factor, and response to certain experiences. Nobody likes to be discriminated against, ostracized, and marginalized. It is pure human nature that craves to be accepted into a community.
                Obviously “truth” can never be subjective in the confines of human perspective. So seeking absolute “truth” is a futile mission.

                However, I’m not debating “truth”. I’m saying that taking into account how YOU would feel when presented with the same treatment, could be used as a tool to gauge what exactly is fair and is not. And exactly what would be wrong with doing so?
                The whole “What Exactly is Moral” argument sounds more like Nambla talking points.

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                • I know we have effectively finished this conversation (such as it were) and there is a new post, but on the off hand you check back for responses I’d like to make one point clear.

                  I agree that you nor anyone else is debating the truth, because for one, there is no debating the truth, and for second, none of us are actually in possession of “the truth”. What we have are beliefs. And if no one belief is more or less true than the other… then… no one belief is more or less true than the other.

                  The Golden Rule is essentially a philosophy. That you might think it serves as a good approach is completely and totally valid. You are perfectly justified in believing you should take into account how you would feel when presented with the same treatement. What I’m pointing out to you, is that it IS indeed a belief. Not a truth, not a fact, a belief.

                  And the person that adopts the philosophy that “might makes right” has just as much moral authority as you (even if you don’t agree with their guiding philosophy). NEITHER one of your approaches has the market cornered when it comes to truth.

                  It is this same moral projection (however well intended) that gets America into trouble when insisting “we know best” and attempt to convert “the less enlightened” countries and cultures to our value system and philosophy. Like the Golden Rule, Democracy sounds like a good idea… but that is my belief, not objective truth.

                  But my belief doesn’t prescribe reality, and anyone else is free to choose otherwise. That is the nature or values, ethics, and morals. We all get to choose them, and they are all valid.

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            • Having said that, you can understand when I read:

              “It’s like if it’s not about you all it doesn’t deserve to be recognized”

              I couldn’t help but be struck by the irony of the statement. I believe that swords cuts on both edges.

              I realize as a matter of politial protocol, it is a given that those who oppose any particular agenda will be demonized. Pro-Life does it to Pro-Choice groups, Pro-Choice groups do it to Pro-Life Groups. Republicans and Democrats, ditto. I doubt there is a hot button issue out there that has 2 sides, where the 2 sides are NOT demonizing one another.

              So I ask: do you all accept these tactics (demonizing opponents) as a necessary evil towards your greater good? Will you likewise accept it if the opposing side does the same; committing necessary evils (in the form of demonizing the opposition), to get them to their perceived greater good?

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              • “do you all accept these tactics (demonizing opponents) as a necessary evil towards your greater good?”

                I know you’re not asking me, but I don’t accept those tactics, and I don’t think that’s what’s happening here. Who’s demonizing? She made an observation. It was a strong, frank observation, but sometimes you have to go there. She didn’t disrespect anyone or defame anyone’s character.

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                • I was referring to Tracy Morgan insomuchas demonization. I was also bringing up the previously un-addressed point that WC made which was this:

                  Voicing Disagreement = Homphobia Hate

                  And I noted in my post that as a political protocol I understand that it will happen, and that’s what opposing camps do to one another. My question was is, are you comfortable with it? BTW, at some point I think you all might see what I’m getting at here, and it’s not to suggest you don’t have a right to your view, but that your view isn’t THE view. You may very well feel that MistyKinght didn’t demonize anyone… I wasn’t actually referring to her comments, but since I believe that’s who you’re talking about in this reply let’s go with it… do you believe the person that was on the reciveing end of what you call “an observation” that was “strong” and “frank” will view it that way?

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              • I hardly think that statement,…. said on a Moesha episode. Was any propagandist, agenda driven, demonizing tactic. If anything it sounded more like a cry to be acknowledged without having to be penalized for not including the people the acknowledgment was not purposely meant to exclude. Allowing someone else to have the stage, and to be heard, does not always have to be met with cries of discrimination. When that group has just as much opportunity to do the same .
                I don’t see how opposing political agenda’s even factor into that example.

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                • I think you misunderstood me entirely on this one, but hopefully you saw my response to ATWG and that clears things up.

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  42. i’ve never seen it put that way.

    but after thinking about this…and especially being around the internets the past couple of years….Yes, the GayLuminnati is not to be fucked with.

    when i started rocking on the internet *98,99,00* on various boards, going back and forth with the insults, borderline “homophobic” or blatently ‘homophobic’ was accepted, encouraged as such.

    Now? God Forbid if i put the following as a Twitter update:

    *#nowplaying Buju Banton – Boom Bye Bye*

    i’m confident a GayLuminati sympathizer will either come at me, or note it.

    and seeing that i do not vibe with Gay Marriage (partly due to my religious beliefs, and partly due to my personal beliefs)… if my state approves of Gay Marriage (NYS Assembly passed the measure, AFAIK it’s up to debate in the NYS Senate, Cuomo will sign it) i probably cannot even say that i personally am against it on facebook without being called a homophobe. Like i’m the one with the torch coming after folks. *shrug*

    Eagle and the Hawk they surround dem.

    but, that being said…they *unlike AA* can organize and stay focused on one particular goal, and… “stay on the same page”, if you will. and when they start cutting your checks, folks will shut their mouths and exercise their freedom of speech in the privacy of their own homes. that is some true G isht.

    so i salute the GayLuminati, and as a Jamerican…all i can say in public is… *silence*

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  43. First and foremost Tracey (IMO) was dumb for apologizing. If it was a joke, it was a joke. Don’t back pedal. If you can say n!gg@ or cr@cker, you can say f@ggot. There can be no sacred cows here.

    Second, protests only matter if you care. Republicans have mastered this style of impenetrable kung fu lately. They simply do not give any parts of a f#ck if you don’t like something they’re supporting or instituting (see Wisconsin). They will simply do it, and then ask you how their a$$ tastes when they’re done.

    Third, protests really only matter if you can translate it into dollars. Perhaps you all don’t remember that the “Gay Mafia” (in which I do not concede all gay people hold membership) tried to make an example out of an Eminem. Remember how that ended? With Eminmen selling more records and dropping even more f-bombs. No one in rap is censored for saying words that are now considered exclusively homophobic slurs because the audience will still buy it. You can protest all you like, as long as their is a market that doen’t care about your protest, then it means nothing.

    Finally as I alluded to above, what are now considered to be exclusively homophobic barbs have not always been so (IMO). Unlike the word n!gg@, their use has been broad and ambiguous (some being applied specifically to gay people, some being applied to straight people) and I suspect the core of the “slurs” is rooted in how MEN believe MEN should behave. And try as they might, no one subgroup will tell all men what behaviors they can or cannot consider appropriate. We can exchange the word f@ggot for b!tch a$$ in our next insult, and perhaps that will make us PC, but the derogatory perception will remain firm.

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  44. I dunno man… I think black people have the lock on being the squeaky wheel minority. Very few will make public jokes at our expense without some kind of penalty. In that vain, I think the LGBT community is very similar to the black community as far as overcoming social injustice and struggle but for obviously diff reasons. It’s sad that because of the religious background that many of us share, we rarely support the gay community. Remember what happened in Cali a few years ago? I guess history will just go on repeating itself.

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    • Black people were not the only ones who voted for Prop. 8!!! We aren’t even a majority in California. Please look at the stats for that vote. Yes, the majority of African Americans voted for Prop 8, however we only made up 7% of that vote.

      Don’t believe me. Read this 17 page report on it.

      Shoot, Black votes don’t vote often enough for us to sway any election. ;)

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        • I agree with you but I believe that the gay community supported us and thought we were going to support them but it doesn’t work like that because alot of us have our “eye on the sparrow” or something, I dunno. :) I think we can learn a huge deal from them in the way they revitalize neighborhoods. They did a complete 180 of the town right near Camden, NJ in my county. Used to be on the decline, they came in and bought up property, cleaned empty lots, opened restaurants and bookstores and yoga studios and gardens. Meanwhile Camden has had three fires started within 10 days, a skeleton police force and blight. And lots and lots of brown people with disposable income (or at least enough to attend every white party, record release party and vodka-brand theme night party in neighboring AC and Philly that’s promoted on the Facebook) just hide our heads about it like it’s somebody elses problem.

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            • I was def painting the picture of gentrification but I am wondering why it even has to come to that? Why do the gays and hipsters have to come to Camden or Collingswood or Detroit or where ever and change the town? Yes, I know that the deep issues of why the nighborhoods are the way they are are complicated and convuluted but I also know that other races/ethnicities figure out a way (maybe not the most glitzy way) to move their people upwards while it seems like alot of us still can’t find a way or care to. We find ways to be piss poor and still outfit our kids in designer clothes, we find ways to hook the crib up with the new 3-d t.v. come tax season (xmas part deux), we find ways to hustle some $300 yak hair onto our head every month and yes we find a way to get to the club and pop champagne but we can’t find a way to organize, grassroot a plan. I’m speaking in generalizations, I know. We are so good at making other people think we have it better than we do when it comes to these empty material things but don’t care enough that our damn slip is showing. I’m sorry, I know I’m not saying nothing new but damn! :)

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          • Okay. But that’s not what happened in Cali. Gay’s haven’t come into Oakland and revitalized our community. They haven’t done anything to support Black people that I know of.

            What they did do, was turn around and blame the 7% of Black Folks who voted for Prop. 8 passing..so much so that the rest of the country believes it too.

            I can’t let that go. It ticks me off, yes it does.

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  46. I didn’t realize how done Isaiah Washington’s career was until the 4th episode sneak peek of Single Ladies featured him starring as a guest actor.

    That kinda rocked my world. Question though:
    Why didn’t Morgan’s comments derail his career? I mean, the incident is still relatively new and we have no idea how it’ll affect him in the future but Washington was completely blacklisted..
    Thoughts?

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  47. I have a question:
    If I don’t agree with a grown woman, touching on little boys in a sexual manner, does that make me a pedophile-ophobe?
    I don’t like Beyonce. Does that make me a Beyoncophobe?
    I don’t like pork. Doesn’t mean I’m afraid of pigs.. I’m a pigophobe?

    Let’s have a serious discussion, when we say we want to have a serious discussion.

    Tracy Morgan is being used as a scape-goat to terrify anyone who would DARE to air his personal feelings about homosexuality. Nothing more, nothing less. What is sad, is that he is also assisting in his being scapegoated.

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    • Ok you are comparing apples and oranges, first of all.

      Second of all, if Tracey didn’t want to apologize, he doesn’t have to. But he knows from whence his checks flow, so he also knows that he needs to get his sh*t together.

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    • We all know that everytime someone cries “racism” it isn’t always racism. That doesn’t mean that there isn’t racism in the world, only that we recognize that each time it’s invoked doesn’t mean it necessarily happened.

      What you are seeing a war to shape perception. In that regard what the gay community is doing is nothing new. Remember during the 2008 election cycle when Republicans thought they could exploit hard feelings about Obama’s triumph over Clinton? Remember how they jumped on every comment that Obama made and tried to tie them to sexism (remember the pig on the lipstick flap)? Republicans didn’t do that because they are champions of equal treatment, they were trying to shape perception to favor them.

      Gay people are doing the same. Jewish people do it all the time with Israel and the Middle East. Think Tanks are doing the same with their issue of choice. It really is nothing new. If you control the narrative, you control the issue. And that’s what they’re doing (until someone challenges them for control of the narrative)

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    • “If I don’t agree with a grown woman, touching on little boys in a sexual manner, does that make me a pedophile-ophobe?”

      That comparison is assuming that pedophiles and homosexuals are on equal footing. Which, they’re totally not. One is illegal and one isn’t…

      And it doesn’t help that homosexuals are WRONGFULLY compared to pedophiles enough already. Wow…

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      • Word. Not the same at all. Please do not compare some nasty a$$ grown woman touching on my son with two grown a$$ men or women engaging in a consensual sexual act.

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  48. I’ll tell you what’s been hijacked: all of the quiet, beautiful, green urban oases have become “cruising zones” and I’m supposed to stay out of them. What? Those are the BEST places for lone women to go jogging and biking precisely because they are widely populated by quiet gay men who have no interest in me and no interest in trouble of any kind happening up in that little stretch of woodland. In every city I’ve lived in, all over the world, I’ve always managed to find the gay cruising zone within a month of relocating.

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  49. This was so funny, Champ. Why you scared? See this is why I miss Dave Chapelle… that dude could get away with ANYTHING

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LU_61WCg6kE … (mostly cause he was actually funny so just be funny Champ you’ll be fine)

    I’m getting tired so I’ll add these expressions and I’m out… these reflect the things that men can no longer do without getting the sideeye thanks to gay culture’s uprising:

    -the act of snapping one’s fingers
    -smacking your lips… ever see a gay dude and hood chick have a conversation? Makes my heart weep
    -chapstick/vaseline/anything that looks glosslike on the lips
    -fanning yourself… poor men, y’all just gotta sit there n BURN
    -the ascot tie
    -crossing legs
    -if not added I’d like to submit pink shirts… I don’t like them
    -too much booty play… after a while I’m like “oh, you like @ss like dat huh?”
    -satchels
    -being a great dresser… :-( … so my homegirl was dating this dude that was a Kappa (o_O), real good looking dude, great sense of humor, a gentleman, smart, caring, considerate I mean the TOTAL PACKAGE except his shoes would never quite be right with his fits… you know where I’m going with this… they’re married now.

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      • “…and you can’t wear v-neck sweaters anymore too, gays got the v-necks on lock. It’s the only acceptable way they can show cleavage.”

        I literally put my head to my chest and started shaking with laughter…ridiculous lol

        All I can do is shake my head and….whooo chile…

        KMN

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      • WTF?!!?? I already gave up my Nissan Altima….now I gotta give up my v-necks, too??? That’s that BS right there, SmartFox….I mean, my sweaters ain’t even them bright colored, deep V-necks that dudes be wearing down your way….the ones where you can see taco-meat chest hair. Naw, no sir. Mine are made of wool…I wear ‘em in the winter, with a shirt underneath and a jacket over them. I’ll be d@mned if I gotta give that ish up….

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        • Okay okay…wool v-necks are okay if you wear them with sneakers. There are rules to the v-necks. Earthtones and greys are acceptable too. I may have to run this by the “You Gay” committee though. They make the rules on what’s considered gay or not.

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          • Yeah, gotta draw the line somewhere. Ralph Lauren (actually, TJMaxx) has got too much of my money for me to be just getting rid of some sweaters..lol. Besides, some of the stuff that’s being labeled suspect lately is crazy….can’t drink thru a straw, can’t eat ice cream in a cone, can’t wear certain colors, etc. Ish is getting extreme. Pretty soon, ppl will be evaluating whether a n#gga’s breathing is suspect/gay: “Girl, you saw the way he inhaled, with his chest all puffed out…ion’t know bout that.”

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  50. “I finally broke down and just asked him for his full name.

    His reply?

    “Isaiah Washington” ”

    You a damn fool…a Gayt damn fool (see what I did there ;-)

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  51. Yup, the gay mafia runs the world. I personally think it wouldn’t be so bad if they had equal rights. When blacks were fighting for our rights, saying a n*gger joke would get you in serious trouble…it wasn’t popular. And the black mafia (NAACP) had some power. Now it’s like white folks will say it to your face & all they get is a stern reprimand, if that. I do not liken the plight of gays & blacks, but I think being given equal rights would change the game. When they finally receive equal rights, wait a few years, & let Tracy Morgan say another gay joke…pretty sure people will be telling them stfu (or the gay mafia may not care anymore) you have equal rights, just like we’re told. For now tread lightly…

    Haven’t been on Twitter but you might be getting roasted for this Champ lol

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  52. Can we stop using Isaiah Washington as an example? It’s not like dude had a flourishing career before Grey’s Anatomy. And television actors rarely get big even after being a hit show. I mean only like 2 of the people from Friends have their own shows now after a decade and that was like white people’s favorite show ever.

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    • Seinfeld was white people’e favorite show ever and none of them made it out alive. Elaine tried for a while but she didn’t make it. George is doing Jenny Craig. :( Seinfeld has F* You money x 15. And we know what happened to Kramer…

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  53. Personally, I’m just glad The Champ had the courage to write this. As a dyed-in-the-wool “ally” and best friend to a Black Gay Man…I think this is genius and freakin hilarious! I’m sending it to him cause I know he’ll think it’s hilarious too! Gay people ain’t stupid, they created the Mafia on purpose and they might use their power for evil every now and then, but for the most part they are just tryin to live their lives just like the rest of us. And though I’ve never liked Isaiah Washington (he creeps me out), it is sorta sad that the Gay Mafia can take a man’s career like that…I mean damn, at least let him work on PBS!

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  54. Hmm. There is entirely too much agreement going on above me and I’ve got fifteen minutes and no girlfriend..

    I am the first person to equate the gay struggle with the black struggle. Sure the history and details are different, but the core is the same.. a minority group of people who don’t exhibit all the acceptable qualities of the majority and are oppressed for it. The black struggle has certainly been deeper and a matter of choice is still debatable, but if black people think about it for a moment, they can see the parallels. That’s why I sympathize heavy with the gays.. and I don’t even like dudes.

    Problem with today’s America is people never seem to understand a group of people that ain’t them. It’s why we all are so divided on EVERYTHING. People haven’t even seen your shoes let alone walked a mile in them but want to tell you they’re not ok to wear.

    This period in time will eventually be known as the Rainbow Revolution or something stupid like that. Dont up being the equivalent of old white people watching Fox News and calling our President the N word (and they don’t mean that in no nice way)

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    • Problem with today’s America is people never seem to understand a group of people that ain’t them. It’s why we all are so divided on EVERYTHING. People haven’t even seen your shoes let alone walked a mile in them but want to tell you they’re not ok to wear.

      Yup.

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    • It’s not that people don’t sympathize with the Gay community it s just that I feel that the GAY community throws that comparison out there to get the black community to sympathize with them for voter sakes (it’s like the white guy the goes I’m not racist I have a black best friend).

      People in the gay community know that while they have suffered injustice that they have not endured all the same injustices as blacks. I think they just choice the Civil rights movement because marriage is a civil law and while gays as a whole have never had their basic civil rights taken away from them as a group (i.e.: gays go to one library straights go to another)

      And the whole black community isn’t afraid of gays just because were not running around at the gay pride parade with them or yelling our love for the gay community every 5 seconds does’nt mean we (or some of us) don’t think they don’t deserve to be married and adopt kids or live a life free of violence b/c of their preference in partner.

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  55. I ain’t sayin’ don’t make fun of em tho. Eff they feelins. There’s a difference between humor and hate.. Most of us here know the difference I’m sure. They will learn just like everybody has to.

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    • and that is the thing to me… no one else is safe from comedians… jew, white, black, latin, asian, smart, stupid, funny, tall, short, skinny, fat, pretty, ugly, deaf, mentally ill, developmentally delayed, dwarves, peta, politicians and the list goes on and on… everyone is the butt of a joke, somewhere, somehow… laugh or don’t laugh and move on…

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      • I said it before and I’ll say it again, no sacred cows. If they (and by they I mean the gay mafia not gay people in general) want to be treated like everyone else… well this is part of it, everyone else gets clowned… you’ll get clowned too.

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  56. I don’t know about ‘scared’, but I’m definitely more conscious of them than I used to be. I thank my trip to the wonderful world of social work for this. As one can imagine, social work has more gay people per capita than most other fields (and the world in general). I was around more gay people than I’d ever been before – I left FAMU before it became as openly acceptable as it is now – and as you encounter people, you’re likely going to gain a greater understanding for what they go through and be more cognizant of the things you say concerning them.

    Now, as far as their fierceness…the one thing that irks me about the gay mafia is how often they will liken their situation to that of black folks during the civil rights movement – and, by extension, the fear of black folk in saying that it’s not the same. I’m not saying no one takes the stance, but the paucity of direct-but-still-respectful “we understand what you’re going through and appreciate your obvious respect for what we went through, but there are enough differences that our fights against discrimination are not the same” statements is a bit mind-numbing. No one even has to say whether they feel it’s better or worse, more or less important, or place any other type of value or merit on either.

    I wonder if part of the gay mafia’s fierceness has to do with something far less sublime. I’ve never been one to overstate the aggregate intelligence of any large group of people, so I imagine that some folks are out-and-out scared of gay people. Yes, in that “if I touch them, I’ll turn gay” type of way. You know, the way people felt in the early going – shoot, a lot still feel that way – about HIV/AIDS.

    To steal a line from Batman Begins, “you always fear what you don’t understand”. Most of us don’t understand what gay people go through, and in some way we fear it (or choose to denigrate it)…and that contributes to the fierceness of the gay mafia.

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  57. What a bunch of whiners. “Gay people took the rainbow. Gay people took such and such” If black people today knew anything about unity, we could be painting the white house black this summer. Now what the h3ll am I supposed to do with all this black paint?

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    • It’s not just about unity, it’s about financial clout and white privilege. The only way for the black community to rise about the level financially would be for all the athletes to put their money together. But everyone wants to coon like Michael Jordan with their ‘Republicans buy shoes too’ garbage.

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  58. Champ Its funny that you are writing about this. I just learned about the Gay Mafia like a month ago, and thought it was a joke. A gay friend told me about it in reference to another gay man with a lot of influence.

    But I don’t think Nathan Lane scares me he just makes me laugh

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  59. #5 (particularly the pay-off at the end) had me CRACKING up, in a giggle-fit that led to a coughing fit… basically what I’m saying is that you’re an almost murderer, Champster. The more you know. Ding. *star flies across rainbow that gays allegedly hijacked*

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  60. The Gays took dance, fashion and the word “moist”. “They” the ones who really run this mutha……

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  61. A lot of comments I agree with. I think one of the main reasons the gay mafia is so effective is that they on average seem to have higher household income. This ultimately translates to dollars behind their struggle. Wu Tang aint never lied…CashRulesEverythingAroundMe.

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      • and government but you didn’t hear that from me… i know they appear to be against them but it could be double agentry at work… i wonder if all these secretly gay men in politics secretly financially support gay causes and give information under the table to lobbyist etc… hmmmm

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      • Excellent point. When you control the medium, you control the message. The black struggle has always been met with opposition and one of the main reasons is lack of an effective medium. For awhile, hip hop was our medium, but mainstream media caught hold and “Voila” now I have to crusade against skinny jeans and doing the dougie for the sake of my 10 year old nephew…smh..poor little tink tink.

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  62. “Also, can you think of any other examples of their fierceness, and can someone please tell me exactly how they grew to be so damn gangsta?”

    I have little insight into this topic but I have an idea of how they became so gangsta- MONEY.

    I’m gonna make some huge generalizations here but rock with me. Gay teens- frequently ostracized because of their s.e.xuality then have the dilemma that many ostracized kids face. Do I shrink and hide or do I say F* the world. So the ones that said F* the world developed personalities, creativity, and passions that they were easily able to turn into careers in a variety of fields.

    Add to that gay people, more often than not, don’t have kids and you get people with a ton of disposable income, myriad awareness groups, and strong points of view =
    HAM g.a.y mafia.

    $0.02

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  63. First off, Tracy Morgan was d@mn wrong and most def needs to apologize. I bet he was drunk. I’ve been to a alot of comedy shows where the comedian is getting wasted while doing his skit. As experienced as Tracy his, he should have known better. Stupid.

    As far as the gay mafia goes…

    I completely understand considering where they’ve come from. I am in awe at how much gay acceptance has grown in this country. What they’ve done in the past 10 years is amazing. My problem is sometimes, in my opinion, it’s alittle too much. I love my gay peeps, I used to be gay myself but we ALL know how majority of the world feels about the bible. To expect the entire world to accept your life style is unrealistic. I know most gays are born gay, it’s genetic and natural and not something they can help. I want them to have the same rights as us so we can all live happily ever after but there are some gay people who just ruin the cause. I have gay friends who make it a point to throw their s.exuality in everyone’s face anytime they can. And if you say anything, you’re homophobic. I think this hurts the plight to be accepted because quite frankly the gays that have something to prove, turn people off from their lifestyle. The same way a Black person would if they went into an all white establishing singing “I’m Black ya’ll, I’m Black Black Blackity Black!” Getting all gangsta and up in people’s face does nothing for your cause.

    I exchanged words with a Queen in Target because he literally put his finger in his partner’s @ss right in front of my child! I said what I felt politely and he went on about me being a hater, homophobe and ignorant. REALLY? GTFOH.

    Plus, if I was gay, I would be offended at the over-the-top use of the stereotype. Like every show has a gay character, even cartoons and they act ridiculous. Most gay people I know don’t act like this: http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lh52yzhjKd1qgbgalo1_400.gif

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    • Your last paragraph makes me think of Will and Grace. Jack’s character was the stereotypical gay man and Will’s character was written, it seemed, to show exactly what you stated. All gay people are not the flamboyant, loose-limbed, dramatic people we are led to believe; those type of images also feed stereotypes and h0m0phobia.

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      • Perfect example. I honestly feel like some flamboyant gays are the reason why many men get irritated with the gay lifestyle. They mock women to an obnoxious level and it has nothing to do with homosexuality. A bad female impersonation has nothing to do with your s.exuality and…dare I say it….some of them are RUDE. They use their femininity as a pass to be crude and disrespectful to others in the form of “jokes”. Like I almost molly whopped this dude at my last job because he slapped my @ss. When did gayness give you the okay to do that? Don’t get kilt. And quit callin me “b*tch” as a term of endearment. You don’t know me like that. smh lol

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    • “I want them to have the same rights as us so we can all live happily ever after but there are some gay people who just ruin the cause. I have gay friends who make it a point to throw their s.exuality in everyone’s face anytime they can. And if you say anything, you’re homophobic. I think this hurts the plight to be accepted because quite frankly the gays that have something to prove, turn people off from their lifestyle. The same way a Black person would if they went into an all white establishing singing “I’m Black ya’ll, I’m Black Black Blackity Black!” Getting all gangsta and up in people’s face does nothing for your cause.”

      *Puts a $20 in the plate*

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    • I have had this conversation with a lesbian friend of mine. I told her the outlandishness of the PRIDE parades is very detrimental to their cause. They may wanna bring it down a notch!!

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      • i dont think Pride parades need to be brought “down a notch” simply because ppl cant handle the OUTishness of the gays. havent you heard–they just wanna have FUH-UN! how is that detrimental to their cause?? gays are entitled to go ape sh*t once in awhile — just like greeks for their convention/homecoming/founders day, nigerians for nigeria’s independence day, white ppl on st. patty’s day, black folk for their family reunions/HBCU homecomings/child’s birthdays/bff’s play cousin’s wedding/first fridays/thursday happy hour/etc.

        point is, LET THEM LIVE. damn.

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        • I think the point is the outlandish s.exual nature that PRIDE has turned into. I feel the same way about Daytona Beach during spring break. It’s fun and all but I don’t wanna see ppl in thongs, tits out, tonguing each other, slapping booties, groping and the loads of innappropriate behavior that is now happening. If it’s freak Fantasy Fest then advertise it as such but it has nothing to do with gay liberation. I don’t care if you’re (not you lol) are straight, gay or whatever. Some sh*t is just plain over the top and tacky.

          Says the resident perv but you know what I mean. :)

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    • i’m a pacifist and a lesbian-adjacent person but that display of disrespect of public area and disregard for safe hygiene practices in public and exposing a child to foreplay in target would have possibly lead me to fist-a-cuffs… they audacity…

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  65. “Are you also completely scared of the Gay Mafia? Do you check your closets at night for Rosie O’Donnell like I do?”

    Scared?? I’m not scared of anything that crawls, breaths & bleeds on this Earth. Like Smith & Wesson, I got something that for.

    “Also, can you think of any other examples of their fierceness, and can someone please tell me exactly how they grew to be so damn gangsta?”

    Fierce, no.

    Better PR, yes.

    Showing hetero men that clothes don’t make the man but do make him look better & the the joys of good talioring, oh thank the gods yes.

    Showing the intolerant how much of an @ss they are by being since anyone can be queer & blasting their intolerance with pride in themselves, most defininately yes.

    Showing folks that they too can be anything they want to be & f*ck what others says, yup yup.

    Gangsta, not at all or at least they’re not gangsta to me & frankly, never will be.

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  66. The gay mafia definitely have hijacked being “offended” from Blacks and Jews! Lawd knows we can get offended by some petty sh*t. And don’t get me started on Jews…….. I think they are offended at birth.

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  67. They’ve also managed to sub-contract loads on Black women to take up arms on their behalf. It’s amazing. I saw so much outrage, organized outrage from Black women when Tra Morgan did his act but I didn’t see any organized outrage from the gay mafia when the article came out calling Black women ugly. Maybe I just wasn’t looking in the right places.

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    • good observation.

      like other groups of “marginalized” or “minoritiy” ppl, the gay community buys into prejudices and stereotypes about others. i cant tell you how many times my non-black gay uncle has made snarky comments about black women (or asian men, or whoever) to my face and laughed it off. if i took offense, it was because i was being “too sensitive” or unable to take a joke. gays stereotype and poke fun at others just like anyone else. so it doesnt surprise me that they dont take up others “causes” when the opportunity presents itself because they dont see past their own marginalization.

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      • Hmmmmmm, interesting. Never thought about this. I go hard for gay people because I feel for them, but would they go as hard for me? Maybe not…

        But then again, it doesn’t matter. I stand for what I believe in, and that’s freedom and opportunity for everybody. What they stand for is their business.

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        • I stand for my beliefs too. However, my first concern is my agenda as a Black woman. Fighting in the streets, online, etc. to defend them helps Black women how? To be clear, I’m not for denying them rights. I would vote for gay marriage, etc. That’s as far as it goes for me. No snatching wigs cus someone had the nerve to dare say something mean about them when I can’t think of one time where they organized and snatched wigs to support my agenda as a Black woman. I think we, Black women, are too quick to support agendas of others without ever watching if they are providing us with the same support–socially or politically.

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          • We’re caring like that, I guess. I feel you though. If I’m gonna mobilize for a cause, my own people get first dibs.

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    • Good point.

      But you know, Black women are good for fighting other people’s battles. Hell, even in my personal life, you f*ck with one of my loved ones? Oh I’m going ape sh*t. F*ck with me? Eh, depends on my mood at the time.

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      • I understand it on a personal level. Sure. Those are your family and friends. But…Fighting other groups’ battles? How has that helped us thus far? Who is stepping in front of US to go ape shyt on our behalf? My bottom line is that I can only go hard for those whose agenda aligns or supports mine in a TANGIBLE way. Are they going to vote for reproductive rights? Are they going to be pro or anti education funding? The list goes on.

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      • “But you know, Black women are good for fighting other people’s battles.”

        I was just gonna make this point. We go toe to toe for just about AIRbody even when they abandon us. Marinate on that with some Lawrys.

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  68. I’ve been lurking on this discussion (as I am wont to do) and came off a little disappointed with all the statements about the gay/black struggle not equating. I’m not trying to make the case that they are the same, but I find the logic that they’re not the same because black people can’t hide their blackness fundamentally flawed. People want to receive equal rights as human beings, regardless of race or sexual orientation. That someone can “hide” their sexual orientation doesn’t mean that they want to, or should have to. Most gay people consider gayness fundamental to the core of who they are, not something they want to put on or take off to be accepted.

    Yes, there are differences in the struggles. Certainly, gay people have to deal with a lot of s— that black people generally don’t – being rejected by your family because of who you are, being told you’ll burn in hell for your identity, not having the same rights to visit partners in the hospital, not being able to have your marriage officially recognized. In some countries, you can still be jailed or put to death for having sex with someone of the same sex.

    (That said, I do think that homophobia will end before racism. In part because of the gay mafia, and in part because as more people come out of the closet, most people will have a family member/friend/colleague who is gay, and it’s hard to actively hate a group who you have a personal connection with. There are still whole swaths of the U.S. where white people don’t associate much with black people, most of my extended family included.)

    The fundamental similarity that I think gay people are calling to the black community about are, people hate us and want to limit our rights based solely on who we were born as. And in that case, I feel that anyone who has experienced discrimination for something that is out of your control (race, gender, sexual orientation), should understand the sting and should fight against that discrimination.

    For those who for religious reasons don’t agree with homosexuality, cool. I don’t agree, but I respect that opinion. However, if you see homosexuality as a sin, then it should be treated like any other sin, like lying, taking the Lord’s name in vain, not loving your neighbor as yourself, or premarital sex. The Lord didn’t create a rubric of good and bad sins, and when Christians get worked up about one of those things more than the other, that does imply homophobia to me (whereas simple religious disagreement but peaceful acceptance of gay people does not).

    And for the Tracy Morgan joke apologists (a joke is a joke, everyone gets played), I like to think, would I find an equivalent joke funny if it involved another group in a similar way? For example, would anyone find it funny if a white person got up on a stage and said, “If my daughter came home with a black gangster/cheap jewish man/lazy illegal immigrant, I would stab her.”?? That shit isn’t funny, it’s hateful. Whether it deserves this level of reaction I’m not sure, but let’s call a spade a spade.

    About gay bullying and needing to deal with it, I think one of the main differences is that gay kids don’t necessarily have a support group/peers to discuss the bullying with. If they are afraid to come out, they can’t identify with others in that group to bond together. They may not have their family’s support. I’m not saying they have it any worse than any other bullied group, but they don’t necessarily have a great in-person support system to deal with it.

    This comment was much longer than I expected. I guess I have a lot of feelings about this.

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    • “The fundamental similarity that I think gay people are calling to the black community about are, people hate us and want to limit our rights based solely on who we were born as.”
      I don’t think you will get any opposition from people on the parallels drawn when it comes to this point, but the reality is that similarities which are drawn often go further. Now, I’m generally of the mindset that its a slippery slope when we start to compare struggles. But, since I like to debate for debate-sake, the one major difference is that race is immutable, whereas sexuality is mutable. As has been argued ad nauseum, there is no identifiable way of “acting gay.” Accordingly, it follows that one could easily travel throughout life without anyone knowing. Not because they are shunned, but because absent an explicit conversation or someone meeting my girlfriend or wife, I have no reason to talk about who I’m f*cking under most circumstances.

      The comparisons to the black struggle don’t end with the gay movement either. Plenty of groups have attempted to piggyback off of black folks struggle (See the Woman’s Rights Movement) only to abandon the struggle once they achieve postive results. Therein lies the difference. Plenty of groups come to this country, choose to identify with the black struggle, but then they can “turn it off” so to speak when the time comes. Black folks can’t turn off the struggle. Outside of Native Americans, no group has the relationship with their country that African Americans experience with the United States.

      With that being said, it would behoove those in the gay movement to be sensitive to those intricacies when seeking the endorsement of the black struggle. There can be no debate that on the whole black folk are quick to pick up someone else’s struggle, sometimes to the detriment of their own.

      As for Tracy Morgan’s rant/routine/etc.? Actually, plenty of comedians make inappropriate jokes about ALL groups. It’s comedy. Actually, and somenone, mentioned it, Roland Martin wrote a great article on this point. As people, when it comes to comedy, we need to get over ourselves. I wasn’t as upset about the Kramer rant when it happened either. Comedians are habitual line steppers, its part of the craft. At the same time, there is a way to sell comedy and a way not to sell comedy. We are all sophisticated enough to understand when it comes from a place and in the form of blatant hate versus comedic routine. I didn’t hear the context of Tracy Morgan’s jokes, but then again that’s what Twitter is for right?

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    • @WhiteGirl,

      while i havent read all the comments that spurred this response, and i found the post itself to be more in fun and of a light-hearted nature, i agree with your sentiments.

      the gay-acceptance struggle is real. and it shouldnt be treated any less significant because you may or may not be able to identify some one’s sexual orientation/lifestyle “just by looking at them”.

      #NOH8

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      • I totally agree with everything you’ve wrote. I don’t know when, how, and why black people became the authorities, sole proprietors and gate keepers of “struggle”. But some of these comments….. :|

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        • I don’t know when, how, and why black people became the authorities, sole proprietors and gate keepers of “struggle”.

          i guess its easy to want to take claim as the most downtrodden, victimized, marginalized, discriminated against group when by and large “we” are not doing a damn thing to advance the “we shall overcome” cause and END the struggle.

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    • “I’m not trying to make the case that they are the same, but I find the logic that they’re not the same because black people can’t hide their blackness fundamentally flawed. People want to receive equal rights as human beings, regardless of race or sexual orientation. That someone can “hide” their sexual orientation doesn’t mean that they want to, or should have to.”

      I actually agree with this. My reasoning for not equating the struggles is not to say that one is less significant than the other (which BOTH sides are guilty of doing), but that it’s far more complex to lump them all together. Especially considering that racism occurs WITHIN the gay community as well. I always feel especially sorry for the gay black girl/boy who can’t quite find any place to really fit in because they have to deal with discrimination on all fronts.

      The only benefit I see in comparing them is so that we can all join together to stop hate, but I’d think we’d have to stop the sub-categories of hate within our own communities first. Kinda like how I think Blacks should fix the problems we have within ourselves before we expect any outside progress.

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  69. NOT Isaiah Washington the car salesman!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *dies*

    this post reminds me of a Will & Grace epi about the GM. even Will Truman had his doubts about their existence until Elton John had to come and shut sh*t down.

    so yeah, i would agree that the GM is definitely out there runnin sh*t when it comes to pro entertainers (athletes included) using any type of homophobic rhetoric. if only the GM could put half as much effort behind real issues such as preventing and/or sanctioning violent hate crimes… *shrug* perhaps thats somewhere on their “to do” list.

    p.s. does this mean my birthday celebration this year can’t include “gay” in the title like it did last year (re: Gemmie’s Big Gay Kickball Cookout Birthday Bash) for fear of being sanctions by the GM???

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    • Gem… as a member of the lesbian-lite association and being officially gay adjacent i have received word that you may use the word “gay” in your festivity planning… it has been determined that the word may be used by non-members or affiliates if and only if the word is used as described in the american standard dictionary…

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  70. I’m still upset with the Game for that face tatt. Remember it was a butterfly at first? Then he got clowned mercilessly and got it changed to the LA Dodgers logo, and then the star.
    Hilarity. Because of him, we got kneegros with ice cream cones, gucci logo, Cazal logos, and ducks tatted on their faces. Thanks for that Game!!!
    Oh yeah, I think I’ma pop some bubbly at my desk because it’s my dayum birthday!!!! Cancerians do it better.

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  71. this is hilarious. and true.

    no one can ruin you and your career like gay folk.

    conversely, they LOVE Beyonce’, and ain’t nobody bigger in music. lol

    they love Nicki Minaj and we see how she’s doing.

    they loved Rihanna when she came out with umbrella and we see how that went. now she has the RihannaNavy that is comprised of approximately 74.3% gay men. lol.

    they can make you or break you, i tell ya.

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  72. Interesting post, folk…

    Gay Mafia or no, you know a group ain’t legit until they can usurp the major slur used to insult them and make it a term of endearment or enjoyment that only they can use (and no, the word ‘gay’ ain’t really a slur, even though it has often been used as such)

    For us, it was the N-word (i.e., ‘Sup my n#gga)…

    For whites, redneck seems to be the go-to term ‘cuz there’s a whole comedy tour dedicated to it (i.e., “you might be a redneck if…”)

    For gays, I would imagine it would either be the F-word, or maybe ‘queen’ (I think ‘queen’ was a part of the lingo already, tho). Regardless, it’ll be a confusing day when I’m walking down the street somewhere and I hear men exchange this greeting: “Sup, my f@ggot…” “Ain’t nothing, Queen….what’s good with you?”

    A sad, confusing day, I tell ya…

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    • I hope they never do. I think that’s the day the wheels fall off the bus and they get derailed. Being able to use the n-word (while white people sit at home calling the Pres one too) hasn’t helped the struggle one bit imho. I hope the gay mafia creates a new playbook that other minorities can use.

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  73. Eh, I don’t think Tracy Morgan should have had to apologize. Also, I doubt that apology had any ounce of sincerity or changed his opinions on the subject. To me it’s like when your parents made you apologize for something you did, so you do it b/c they are the authority but you don’t mean it and that act reconfirms your belief in whatever you did. Just me?

    In my mind the only reason he backtracked was to keep his money and to keep making more. (It goes to show you how little power black entertainers/celebrities have than their white counterparts.) I thought people wanted the apologizers to actually mean what they say not do so on the basis of a threat. For that, GLAAD or whatever rights group is no better than the bullies they rally against.

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    • Very VERY good point. Just like I hate the “prepared statement” ish too. If you don’t mean it don’t say it.

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      • A prepared statement can be good. Some people are not capable of generating coherent messages in high pressure off the cuff situations that can deliver exactly the message they want. You don’t go into a debate without preparing. You shouldn’t make public statements of that magnitude without doing so as well. Unless you don’t care about the outcome.

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        • Point well made. Sometimes it looses something when it doesn’t seem authentic. But you right it can also get you in a lot more trouble.

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  74. They’ve also managed to hijack the word “fierce,” the term “partner,” the rainbow, tie-dye t-shirts, butterflies, ice cream cones, and Tyra Banks.

    Man so true. I was just tellin my girl I hate they use the word partner. She was like it’s kinda like ninJA vs ninJER (you catch my drift. Tokyo.), you just gotta remember you have potNAHS and not potNERS. I still feel away about callin one of my boys my potnah now. I need that word back. Please gay mafia, PLEASE, I’ll do what eva. Ok no, I won’t do that. But I will quit using *G* word to describe really REALLY lame events. I promise.

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  75. Yeah, Isaiah Washington did seem to vanish into thin air.

    Does anybody watch “Modern Family”? This may have already been mentioned upthread, but the gay couple on that show arguably have the best storylines. The guy who plays Cameron (one half of the gay couple) is the only one from the show to receive an Emmy individually. Yes, the gay mafia is indeed fierce.

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    • Actually I saw Isaiah Washington on that show SINGLE LADIES with Lisa Raye, Stacey Dash…and some white chick. He plays an arrogant professor who gets kicked to the curb by Lisa Raye..

      …Just realized it’s at least 10% gay even watchin that show, but whatever. Shit’s pretty good actually, and I’d watch Lisa Raye or Stacey Dash read a damn phone book.

      Since I’m admittin gay ass shows I watch, I also watch America’s Next Top Model and SELLING NY. So yeah, …I might have a Prius and a Asian adopted baby in my future.

      Just kidding. I’m completely hetero… but it’d be cool to be gay, just not to have to deal with women’s crazy shit sometimes. Plus, how cool would it be to be able to just want some sex… and go get it without an elaborate Kabuki theatre-like dance involving an appropriate amount of dinner dates, passing muster with her friends and all the nonsense.

      Plus, your Significant Other is a man, …so no wage discrimination. Maybe that’s why their apartments are plushed out. they have the cheddar for it. That and no child support…

      Gay cats have it knocked.

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        • Surprisingly,…her acting skills are getting better. It don’t hurt that her character is a gold – digger who used to be a video hootchie. So…not exactly a stretch.

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  76. I think T-Morgan should have known his audience. He isn’t playing dive clubs anymore. His reach is beyond Def Jam. He’s on NBC! He should have been a little wiser with his choice of words imo. Someone said upthread that if he had replaced the gay part with any other minority that the joke would have been horribly offensive and I agree. Is the LGBT community above being made fun of? Of course not. I think his choice of joke was mean-spirited and not in good taste however. I don’t understand how we as the squeakiest wheel minority group out there can really throw shade at another for making a peep. Seems counter-productive to us fighting the whole struggle.

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  77. Just read pretty much the entire thread, and I must say we got an awful lot of black people talking clean out the sides of their necks. First off, how is it okay to oppose a civil rights issue on “moral grounds”? What the hell is that? The fact that this thought is legitimized is utterly retarded. The easiest way to see if something makes sense is to apply it to you and yours and see if that same argument holds water.

    Exhibit A. If some white person opposed abolitionism based on some argument about the Curse of Ham and Canaanites, would this be okay? Or would you call that person an idiot as well? How is this any different from opposing gay marriage on “moral grounds”?

    Another thing that bothers me is the idea that gay civil rights and black civil rights are equivalent. The inherent metaracism in this idea is almost infuriating. It seems to me that proponents of gay civil rights seem to have a difficult time legitimizing their cause in the minds of those that they wish to sway. This is an understandable problem. What’s infuriating about it is to try and associate one’s cause with an established cause that is considered viable only because it has already be legitimized by the established power structure (i.e, white people). To put this in simpler terms, its racist because it seems that the proponents of the gay civil rights issue feel that the black civil rights movement is viable only because it has been recognized as “wrong” by white people-the perpetuators of the entire civil rights issue in the first place. What they fail to realize is that the issue is not about them being discriminated against because they’re gay, the issue is the “normative” perspective that you’re somehow wrong if you’re not a straight white American male. It pisses me off even more that they believe that the struggle is somehow over when mainstream white america “accepts” you. To try and adapt the civil rights movement as a parallel for your struggle, besides it being a horrible and haphazard comparison, is kind of racist because the majority of non-black/non-hispanic/non-latino gay people fundamentally misunderstand the idea of black civil rights.

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    • The problem i have with all this is that CIVIL rights were rights for all disenfranchised humans (who usually were of color). The difference is that a person thats a homosexual can vote, can have health insurance, can go to college and enjoy all the rights associated with being a CITIZEN of the US. The gay marriage debate isnt really an issue of civil rights because they are still citizens of the United States. If you told me (a hetrosexual male) that i couldnt marry the woman im with now, it wouldnt change our relationship or how it works. From a governmental standpoint marriage is a piece of paper and associated tax breaks.

      Now if we want to get into why people have seperated this into a moral issue as opposed to a legal one, thats a different matter entirely. You cannot legislate behavior. It simply dosent work. Drugs enforcement, prohibition, keeping hookers off the streets. NONE of it works. What gay people should be fighting for is not a PRO or ANTI gay marriage stance from politicians. Instead fight for repeals of DOMA and other legislation (on the federal and state level) that prevents their marriage. That way the “government” isnt really involved.

      Then its about actually getting married, and thats a whole other problem in and of itself.

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      • It seems politicians are the ones choosing to polarize the issue into pro or anti gay marriage; easier to argue and distinguish sides that way. I find it to be a complete waste of time personally. It hurts no one and helps some; tax dollars should never have been wasted in debting it.

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        • If we are all about individual freedom and liberty then let them folks get married. Last I checked gay people getting married might actually mess around and improve some things. They LOVE them some decorating and if they are out here buying homes and ish? Please! Bank loans, Remax as well as Bray and Scarff would be doing RECORD numers! Gays could singly handedly save the economy and get Pres. Obama re-lelected!

          Wait…maybe thats what all this is really about….. (All jokes after the first line….well…maybe)

          (all sarcasim intended…lmao)

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          • Trust with all these budget shortfalls, bans against gay marriage will be lifted so local govts can collect those marriage license fees and name change fees. It’s coming, LOL

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  78. Are there any ‘out’ VSBs or VSSs here? I know there are a couple of women here who ‘experiment’ from time to time (Read as: any damn time they get chance but I’m not mad at that at all), but any guys?

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  79. Oh, so you trying to call ninjas out huh?

    *cues T.I. song*

    Bring em out! Bring em out! It’s hard to yell with the d*cks barrel in yo mouth! Swizzie!!

    Ok that wasn’t nice. Before the gay mafia attacks me, I’m a f@ggot too. D*cks in yo mouth FTW! :)

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  80. Maybe in Tracy Morgan’s case, it’s all about delivery and the fact that people didn’t take what he said as humor. Look at Lisa Lampanelli. She insults EVERYONE, but given her delivery, it’s taken as humor. Offensive humor, maybe, but humor nonetheless.

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  81. I finally broke down and just asked him for his full name.

    His reply?

    “Isaiah Washington”

    *obnoxiously laughs out loud like a hyena while sitting at her desk than catches herself and hopes that she won’t get fired for being loud and ghetto at work*

    hilarious!

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  82. I’m weak at: “dont want to end up like Hustle Man. he’s pickin up the pieces *mournfully plays the kazoo*”… and “His reply? “Isaiah Washington””…

    Hilarious!

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  83. I think even comparing the two means you’ve fallen for the okey doke. One has nothing to do with the other. And should not even be compared.

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  84. Anyway, people of VSB.com, are you also completely scared of the Gay Mafia? Do you check your closets at night for Rosie O’Donnell like I do?

    No! I have gay-dar, so it is what it is :-)

    Also, can you think of any other examples of their fierceness, and can someone please tell me exactly how they grew to be so damn gangsta?

    -Metrosexuals (men can get mani’s and pedi’s now)
    -Runway walking (anyone seen Ms. Jay from ANTM?)
    -Fashion

    *The Gays have always been GANGSTA, they just have more BALLS now! (pun intended)

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  85. This post and the comments brings up a issues of Critical Race Thory with the components of “taking back of center stage” and “essentialism” being discussed here. Taking center stage is that when discussing race, Caucasian feelings, ideals, desires, opinion, and how it effects them or in relation to them still becomes the center point of the discussion and not those of other races. Essentialism is the idea to separate one’s identity. You are either black or gay, black or feminist, and it forces people with many levels of identity to pick or choose one group or another. It also compares oppression and if one oppression is like another one and horrible, then it is seen as the same and then that UNIQUE experience is then discounted. As stated, types of oppression or discrimination may have similarities, but are NOT the same. To do discount any experience or talk about issue only in relation to another group is WRONG and perpetuates the oppression.

    In class, I saw a documentary which showcased black discrimination within the gay community and many black men not being allowed in particular gay clubs etc. Like any other community, domestic violence, racism, rape and other issues effect it like anyone else. I remember that even on television, the gay, lesbian, transgendered, and queer communities wanted representation of color on shows such as “Queer As Folk “and it is extremely important for all areas of identity to be recognized and affirmed. I appreciate the space that “Noah’s Arc” created for representing another part of a very diverse community.

    That said, the issue of a “gay mafia” for me is more about being responsible with the power and influence it has (which I would expect from ANY group of people in power). FTR, I am in favor of civil rights for all, gay marriage, and I am not against anyone loving another person. However, I want power and influence being inclusive and not creating more of the same racial hierarchy that already exists so that descrimination of any kind can continue. I’d hate for the gay community to not address an important issue in their community because of negative PR and their power being affected because of it. I’d hate the idea that anyone would suffer because “it doesn’t look good”. I’d hate personal biases to discount or stifle any positive manifestation of the community. For ANY community, with power comes responsibility.

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  86. Where was the gay mafia/GLAAD when “Psychology Today” ran that offensive article calling black women ugly? There are plenty of sisters willing to defend gays but are they willing to defend sisters?

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  87. This post and the comments brings up a issues of Critical Race ThEory with the components of “taking back of center stage” and “essentialism” being discussed here. Taking center stage is that when discussing race, Caucasian feelings, ideals, desires, opinion, and how it effects them or in relation to them still becomes the center point of the discussion and not those of other races. Essentialism is the idea to separate one’s identity. You are either black or gay, black or feminist, and it forces people with many levels of identity to pick or choose one group or another. It also compares oppression and if one oppression is like another one and horrible, then it is seen as the same and then that UNIQUE experience is then discounted. As stated, types of oppression or discrimination may have similarities, but are NOT the same. To do discount any experience or talk about issue only in relation to another group is WRONG and perpetuates the oppression.

    In class, I saw a documentary which showcased black discrimination within the gay community and many black men not being allowed in particular gay clubs etc. Like any other community, domestic violence, racism, rape and other issues effect it like anyone else. I remember that even on television, the gay, lesbian, transgendered, and queer communities wanted representation of color on shows such as “Queer As Folk “and it is extremely important for all areas of identity to be recognized and affirmed. I appreciate the space that “Noah’s Arc” created for representing another part of a very diverse community.

    That said, the issue of a “gay mafia” for me is more about being responsible with the power and influence it has (which I would expect from ANY group of people in power). FTR, I am in favor of civil rights for all, gay marriage, and I am not against anyone loving another person. However, I want power and influence being inclusive and not creating more of the same racial hierarchy that already exists so that discrimination of any kind can continue. I’d hate for the gay community to not address an important issue in their community because of negative PR and their power being affected because of it. I’d hate the idea that anyone would suffer because “it doesn’t look good”. I’d hate personal biases to discount or stifle any positive manifestation of the community. For ANY community, with power comes responsibility.

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    • “In class, I saw a documentary which showcased black discrimination within the gay community and many black men not being allowed in particular gay clubs etc. ”

      Yet these are the same gay folks who’re always equating their struggle with the Civil Rights Movement? But they have the nerve to be RACIST to black gay men.

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  89. Was going to insert myself into a thread with WildCougar & SmartFoxGirl et. al but everything I wanted to say was already said. Just going to go ahead and agree.

    Being gay may or may not be a choice but the oppression that they experience is not nearly the same. The history and disruption of their “community” is not even comparable. Matter of fact, they brag about the cohesiveness of their homes in comparison to “traditional” family homes while the “Black” community is still reeling & desperately grasping at every ounce of visible positivity.

    It is a very visceral reaction when people say the Gay & Black are the same struggle. There is no camouflage to being black. There is no true public reprieve outside of back-handed compliments. With every professional athlete or prodigal intellect, there is the over all and constant reminder that a very small percentage of “Blacks” actually reach such levels of recognition.

    Another thing, I’ve seen Blacks “come up” and swipe indignantly at other Blacks as if it was okay to turn a blind eye. And I have seen many who have come up and offer a route to success or a plan to help improve in minor and major ways the lives that other Blacks lived but the poorer and downer-on-the-luck party seems to relentlessly avoid actual help only to flock to unreasonably simplistic means of subsistence on public offerings. I may very well be wrong and have failed to see both sides accurately but I don’t understand the ignorance of our community and why it is so persistently stubborn.

    Give me love, take my love; pay it forward, pay it back and don’t get lost in the euphoria that is being high on your own supply.

    Though I will say that there are a few comparable points of contention in the challenges the both the Black & Gay struggles went through, to say that they are thoroughly comparably is undeniably contrived.

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  90. Well I read this post, laughed, then looked over my shoulder.
    I cant decide if its homophobic or not. So confused.

    I think I’ve been hijacked.

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  92. I’ve read “The Help.” Thought it was pretty good, anxiously awaiting the movie. And I feel you about the white women; their motives and methods are tricky… never have been able to trust them.

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  93. This is so true! I work for a large cable network and whenever someone pitches an idea execs will ask “Are they gay??”. Like as if that makes something a winning show. I’ve heard the most basic and plain ideas, but make the principal cast member gay and we’re going into production!!! LOL!

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  94. I’m late and have never commented here before, but I’m black and bi so I wanted to chime in. The power and priorities of the gay mafia has little to do with sexuality. It’s about their race and class. The same power structure that undermines the rights and life quality of racial minorities and the economically disenfranchised overlaps with fuels the engine of the mainstream L&G movement. That’s why we think well off, white & privileged (and usually male) when we think gay. LGBT people of color don’t have the same concerns; we’re worried about housing, employment, healthcare and other basic concerns like the rest of our communities, but have an added dimension of concerns that exacerbates issues of sexual abuse, homelessness, added risk of HIV infection, stranger and relationship/family violence, addiction and mental health issues, etc. to the table – yet you rarely hear these things associated with being lesbian, gay or transgendered because the most vulnerable of us have no access to the agenda setting here. My explanation for the Gay Mafia is this: what political behavior would you expect from some of the most arrogant & privileged people you know if they were permitted by society to whine and bitch incessantly about one important issue to the degree at which they wind up shutting every else out of the conversation, thus rendering it a near circus (or how rich white folk would act if they got their very own “identity issue” to blow up)? And there you have the Gay Mafia.

    And I’m made sick by the parroting of shallow comparisons between that whining and any rights struggle by the G&L mainstream – a lot of us are. Some of us don’t even support the same sex marriage fight because it’s a resource drainer. I won’t deny the importance of marriage and military service to those who want to participate, but are those things really more important than teenagers having a safe place to sleep at night? Should the safety of schoolchildren who are or just “look” gay have taken a backseat to DOMA and DADT for so long? And how much longer will the other issues listed above sit on the back burner for overburdened state organizations and tiny non-profits to tackle because we poor and colored folk don’t make for the best fundraisers?

    I’m sorry if this stuff came up already, I can’t read all these comments :)

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  95. I know I’m late to this one but I just realised the gay mafia were behind Buju’s bust all along. He should have never sung Boom Boom Bye. The gay mafia never forget a slight.

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