Pop Culture, Theory & Essay

18 Questions For Dat Azz On A Friday

Hey, young world. It’s Friday in the land before time and your wife is cheatin’ on us. Thanks to Richard “Dimples” Fields, there is a song called “Your Wife Is Cheatin’ On Us”. And the actual song sounds as ridiculous as the title.To be fair though, it sounds like the kind of song a ninja named “Dimples” would make. Down to the singing.

You’re welcome.

Anyway, after all of that wortwhile and whimsy discussion over the past few days, I figured I’d drop a few things on you all that have been on my mind for a lil while. Janet Jackson suggested that we wait a while, but then she also said anytime, anyplace.

I was going somewhere with that, but forget it. I give up. Let’s get right into some things that have been on my mind for a while. 18 questions, if you will.

And in general, these are all things that keep me up at night and would stand to create at least 2 or 3 hours of solid, actual debate and discussion amongst me and my friends. Welcome to my world. Whose house? P’s house.

1. Just when in the hell did bacon become so popular? Seriously, bacon has had like the best two years ever. It’s always been good, but when did it get a PR team and become the hottest thing since The Beatles?

And then there's that.

And then there’s that.

2. Am I wrong or was DeVoe the least talented member of New Edition? I got into an argument with my boy about this the other day. He steadfastly defends that Biv was the least talented as he claims DeVoe was the best dancer in the group. I think this is wrong since Bobby was clearly the best dancer. Here’s my hierarchy of New Edition, talentwise: Ralph, Bobby, Johnny, Ricky, Biv, DeVoe.

3. When was the last “neighborhood” ass whippin that didn’t result in somebody’s parents calling the police? Back in the day you could get beat by all your neighbors before you got home for doing something stupid. Now? Your own parents are afraid to beat you. When did this happen?

4. Here’s a good questions that is probably not really a good question at all: when you start dating somebody, are you responsible for their self-esteem? Like should you make it a point to do your best to ensure that they have the highest sense of self? Or should you just make sure you’re not doing anything to destroy their esteem. Seems like a stupid question, but think about it.

5. If you put 2 bloggers in a room, and take away their blogs….are they still bloggers?

6. Let’s settle this once and for all, Michelle Obama…hot or hot because she gives Obama street cred?

7. Why are elected officials whose sole job is to come up with new and innovative ways to fix problems ONLY able to come up with solutions that either haven’t worked in the past or are too stupid to possibly work in the future? How can a nation full of innovators manage to assume that if you put daddy in the house all problems will be fixed? I was raised by my daddy and it’s amazing I’m not doing federal prison time right now. Real spit.

8. Which was a more significant non-reality Black death, Ricky or Stringer? And if either of those names constitutes a spoiler alert for you, then I feel sorry for your mother.

9. Hell, what was the most significant Black death in a movie? I’ve got some theories, but I’m curious.

10. I once heard that profanity is the last resort of a person with limited vocabulary. I’ve always disagreed with this since I’ve definitely dropped perpetuity and lascivious in a convo earlier today. This made me think something, I find that the ability to curse well is an attractive quality in a woman. Not that I need a woman who curses up a storm, but I can appreciate it. I just realized that sounds like I hang with people named Mendeecees.

Speaking of…

11. I said this on Twitter earlier, but I don’t feel like there’s enough conversation around the fact that 1) a man named Mendeecees and a woman named Yandy managed to find each other AND find love; and 2) two people with those names doesn’t even move the needle in 2013.

12. Neither of those last two items were questions? Also, does adding a question mark make something a question? I don’t think so. But you can make an argument.

13. If you answer a rhetorical question, is it truly rhetorical? Philosophy my brother, use it or lose it.

14. Best Janet Jackson album? I’m torn between Rhythm Nation and Janet. I’d take both of those albums out to dinner and pay. I think Janet gets the nod from me. But “Alright” is still my favorite song, like totes ever, by Janet Jackson.

15. Are there natural hair wigs out there? I can’t seem to find any in my Asian owned Black hair care store.

16. Would you love me in the morning without giving you half my dough, and even worse if I was broke would you want me?

17. Does Complex Magazine not have some of THE worst lists ever about music known to mankind? I think so.

18. Won’t you be my neighbor?

I think that’s it for me right now. These are questions that were on my mind. Have thee any burning questions on your mind? It’s freestyle Friday. Drop bombs on them. Ask away and start whatever discussion you want.

And…should you have answers to any of my questions…please share with a brotha.

Posse. Out.

-VSB P aka THE ARSONIST aka I ASK YOU ANSWER aka GIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIRL HE A 3

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Damon Young

Panama Jackson is pretty fly for a light guy. He used to ship his frito to Tito in the District, but shipping prices increased so he moved there to save money. When he's not saving humanity with his words or making music with his mouth, you can find him at your mama's mama's house drinking her fine liquors. Most importantly, he believes the children are our future.

  • Johnmillah

    First! Now I can cross being first off my bucket list! Yass!

  • Johnmillah

    Btw do black people even have bucket lists? Ijs

    • Kidsister

      Absolutely

    • msdebbs

      I do!

    • GirlSixx

      * RaisesHand*

      Why Yes, yes we do..

    • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

      The film, “The Bucket List” did feature Morgan Freeman, who is Black…

      O.

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

      19. What is this Black people you speak of?

  • LuckBALady

    You forgot Bell. LOL

    • http://www.twitter.com/Bmorebmw Tentpole

      He sure did. Johnny Gill and Ricky Bell were the only singers in New Edition.

    • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

      I did. The 2nd Johnny should say Ricky.

  • Cali

    re #10 – I’m always a little more conservative w/ my cursing around anyone new, & I NEVER curse around my mom & family, employers, elders in general… If a curse word comes out mah face when I’m speaking around a dude, there’s always a little part of me that wonders if he thinks I’m not “a lady” b/c I curse. Would never try to quell it completely though, gotta be able to be myself around that mf. *shrug*

    • The Other Jerome

      Basically, i don’t curse because Heavy D said so :-(

      • kid video

        He will be missed….RIP

        • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

          Here, here! Heavy D was the Man…

          O.

      • Rewind

        I just found out from a podcast last month that his daughter’s mom is Top Chef All Star winner.

    • nillalatte

      The only curse word that REALLY irks me is GD. My guy got a little too loose with that once and I asked him to stop saying it around me. I’ve never heard it from his mouth again. Damn, shyt, hell… I throw those out there mostly for emphasis. Some things just don’t seem to have the same level of gravity without one of those words strategically placed before another word.

      • http://www.styleillusions.com WIP

        That’s the only one I don’t say although it seems to applicable quite frequently. I say “GD”. I think God should let me slide with that.

        • nillalatte

          When I catch myself getting to that level, I say God Bless instead. I think asking for blessings is a much better route.

          • http://missrosen.wordpress.com esa

            i like this ~*~

          • Sweet GA Brown

            Growing up I always thought it was got d@mn. I thought ppl that said God was doing the most and being spiteful on purpose.

          • Rewind

            I say Gotdamn…even though I’m not very religious, I do have an issue with saying God or Jesus in the same sentence of as a curse.

            Christian guilt is the best.

            • http://commentarybyvalentina.wordpress.com Val

              From what I hear Jewish guilt is pretty powerful.

          • Asiyah

            Love that, Nilla!

        • Wild Cougar

          Its ok if you say gahtdamn, cuz He knows you’re not referring to Him, just some other entity named gaht.

          • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

            exactly.

  • The Other Jerome

    Other than “Who in the hell left the gate open?” and “Am i wrong for thinking a ‘Cita’s World’ live action rom-com* would make money” i’m tapped out for questions.

    * B.E.T, get to work on this!!!

  • Royale W. Cheese

    First impression after 10 seconds…Billie Jean, Casio edition.

    Did he say “givin’ up the poo-poo?” Please, someone tell me that he didn’t sing that.

    • Kema

      Please tell me people are not calling it ‘poo poo’. o_0 Thats what you say when a baby has a messy diaper.

      • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

        This came out in 1984. I’m not saying folks weren’t saying poo-poo back then. But he sure did.

  • Juiciest Mango

    6.)Why are Kim K’s hips exploding? Is there any part of her body that is not mfg?
    10.) why in the phakkizle is clive davis talking about his sexuality?!?! Like?!?! who wants to imagine this devil, yes devil of the highest calibre boinking?
    12.) Idrissa Akuna Elba, who knows his exact zipcode?

    • Royale W. Cheese

      “Why are Kim K’s hips exploding?”

      Two possibilities. (1) Pregnancy, or (2) a raging case of venereal disease.

      • Juiciest Mango

        LOL @ #2. smh.

      • RuthlessWonder

        3) Both?

      • http://www.twitter.com/Bmorebmw Tentpole

        **** special recognition for comment of the day****
        you are now responsible for sudden burst of laughter

      • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

        Why so much hate for Ms. Kardashian? I wonder, I wonder…hmm…

        O.

        • Juiciest Mango

          oh give me a break. there was no hate [which I suppose you assumed comes from her being with black men]. PU-H-LEEZ. It was just an OBVIOUS observation that needed answers.

          • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

            Yes…but speculation about STDs, though? Really?

            And, the sheer ferocity of your response is most telling indeed…

            O.

            • Juiciest Mango

              as I said, I ASSUMED your response was because of that. I didn’t even think of the disease, lmao! It’s friday, O. It’s not that serious.

              • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

                Perhaps that is the problem? Maybe we should begin to take some things just a bit more…seriously…

                Hmm…

                O.

                • http://www.twitter.com/Bmorebmw Tentpole

                  O. If you slept with Ray J. you would understand the comment

                  • camilleblue

                    lol

                  • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

                    I suspect you’re right!

                    O.

        • Royale W. Cheese

          It’s a joke that makes a play on the widely recognized scumbag-level reputation that Kim Kardashian has. She’d probably laugh at it to. Unless she’s completely daft, she is fully aware that she has benefitted immensely from low-brow s3xual controversy.

      • Sweet GA Brown

        She’s got those child bearing hips. Its interesting that no one will think she is vain enough to get a surrogate but Bey is. But those hips are speading like she gonna pop out a few babies.

        • Juiciest Mango

          I know she is pregnant, but back in the day, Kim did not have hips that lied-shakira, shakira style prompting me to think that she got work done, in order for them to compliment her badonk a donk donk.

          • Sweet GA Brown

            Maybe she is taking estrogen shots.

            …no seriously. Maybe she is taking estrogen shots.

    • http://commentarybyvalentina.wordpress.com Val

      I’m a Phyllis Hyman fan, which means I hate Clive too, AM. He really did her wrong.

      • Juiciest Mango

        Val,

        Hiya! :)

        I liked Whit, a lot. That supposed “drug overdose” BS. Yeah…..it can be traced back to this devil. I didn’t know much about Phyllis but, I wouldn’t be in the least surprised.

        • http://commentarybyvalentina.wordpress.com Val

          Yeah, kind of a big supposed coincidence that she od’d on the night of his party in the same hotel.

          • annette_b

            My sister thought I was some kind of conspiracy theorist when I told her I suspected that this Clive Davis had something on her or some kind of hold on her career, and she just coudn’t do it anymore. Too bad we’ll never really know, which means this guy can keep doing whatever he is doing and destroying more careers and lives.

        • Latonya

          Poor Phyllis. Was Phyllis bipolar or did she have schizophrenia?

          • http://commentarybyvalentina.wordpress.com Val

            I think Phyllis was bi-polar.

            • http://www.twitter.com/Bmorebmw Tentpole

              She was

        • Londa

          You know, lately I’ve been thinking Clive had something to do with the overdose, too. Something to make his party renowned forevermore. His one last way to profit from Ms.Houston.

          If I’m wrong, I beg forgiveness. But, if Im right, I hope she’s haunting him from beyond. Well, not really, because the very thought of that scares the crap out of me. But, still…I hope he’s punished somehow if not now then in the afterlife.

          • Londa

            Oh! And, I love how Kelly Clarkson blasted him for lying about her.

      • Latonya

        What did Clive do to Phyllis Hyman? I thought he was a snake when he did not cancel the party to mourn Whitney death.

        • http://commentarybyvalentina.wordpress.com Val

          He screwed around with her career. He had Angela Bofil signed to his label at the same time as Phyllis and he would hold back release of Phyllis’ albums to push Angela’s albums. Phyllis went about 5 years waiting for the release of an album while she was signed with that idiot.

      • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

        Interestingly enough, neither Ms. Bofil (who herself has seen better days of late, given that she’s on the mend from suffering a stroke) nor Ms. Hyman became huge stars, though both deserved it given their immense talent. I think both were just victims of bad timing. How sad.

        At any rate, Ms. Hyman is a homegirl; Philly represent! And RIP, Phyllis.

        O.

        • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

          Love me some Phyllis Hyman.

      • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

        Booyaka.

      • Asiyah

        Clive Davis is so slimy. Holla to Kelly Clarkson for calling him out.

    • Camilleblu

      10. Because he’s got a “memoir” coming out…

      • Juiciest Mango

        we don’t need to know he is still boinking. yuck.

        • camilleblue

          yeah…i wonder if he mentioned that he’s bi-sexual to any of the women he’s dated up to this point – before this book coming out…

        • http://missrosen.wordpress.com esa

          Clive is from the school, “it’s only bad press is they spell your name wrong.”

          publishers and authors are notorious for putting their dirty shoes on your couch in the name of fame and fortune.

  • Royale W. Cheese

    #7 – ” Why are elected officials whose sole job is to come up with new and innovative ways to fix problems ONLY able to come up with solutions that either haven’t worked in the past or are too stupid to possibly work in the future?”

    Many of our elected officials are lawyers. They are trained to argue and raise open-ended questions, not to come up with solutions. Just listen to Neil Degrasse Tyson, my crush: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kKuXgzXt5U

    “57% of Senate cite law as their profession. The act of arguing and not agreeing seems to be funneled to that profession [law] and Congress is half that profession.”

    • RuthlessWonder

      As a law student I see the merits of both sides of your statement. Because it depends.

      • Royale W. Cheese

        I see what you did there.

      • LMNOP

        lol

    • http://commentarybyvalentina.wordpress.com Val

      Lawyers aren’t the problem, Republicans are. They’re refuseniks. How can anyone get anything done when you are working with refuseniks?

      • Royale W. Cheese

        Once upon a time there was a Democratic super majority. Nothing got done then either.

        • http://commentarybyvalentina.wordpress.com Val

          They passed ObamaCare, at least. And budgets.

        • nillalatte

          Actually, Clinton’s first two years of his eight years, was all dems. Shyt got momentum. People got scared. Too many changes too quickly. The balance of power then changed as Republicans were voted to majority in the 3rd year. Then Clinton got head and the next six were all about Ken Starr, a blue dress, and what the meaning of is, is.

          • http://commentarybyvalentina.wordpress.com Val

            That was during the time the Republicans shut down the federal government, wasn’t it?

            • nillalatte

              They’ve done that a few times.

              • http://www.twitter.com/Bmorebmw Tentpole

                Only 1995 was the big one it lasted 6 weeks, before that it was only a couple days at a time.

        • Marshal

          5 words- Record Filibusters in the Senate.

          That is All there is to be said -_-

    • Jay

      That and the fact that we’re in a point in history where we have an ABUNDANCE of professional politicians. Back in the day politicians were public servants… people with actual occupations who got into politics. Can you tell me what George W. Bush did/does for a living before or after politics… Clinton, Newt Gingrich, Condoleeza?? Our politicians, in many ways, are out of touch.

      • LMNOP

        the sad thing about that is they are still so incompetent. Like if being a politician is what you are going to do with your life, why not gain some skill at it?

      • Royale W. Cheese

        “That and the fact that we’re in a point in history where we have an ABUNDANCE of professional politicians.”

        Excellent point.

    • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

      @Ms. RWC:
      I hear what you’re saying, and I like Mr. DrGrasse Tyson as well (no homo), but I must respectfully disagree; there have always been “professional politicians” and most of them have come from the legal and/or associated fields. For example, the film, “Lincoln” clearly bears this out – and please note, that our 16th POTUS was himself, a…

      …wait for it…

      lawyer.

      The problems besetting our political process are just a weebit more complex than merely blaming it on the lawyers…

      O.

  • Tx10inch

    6. Let’s settle this once and for all, Michelle Obama…hot or hot because she gives Obama street cred?

    I’ll settle this right NAAH, Chelle is hot. She’s the sexiest 50 yr old I’ve ever seen. The only thing that bothers me is those long azz forearms of hers. Yep, I said it…forearms. I mean seriously….they look like this guy — http://www.teawithlemon.com/2012/01/of-trees-and-turpitude.html

    10. I once heard that profanity is the last resort of a person with limited vocabulary. I’ve always disagreed with this since I’ve definitely dropped perpetuity and lascivious in a convo earlier today. This made me think something, I find that the ability to curse well is an attractive quality in a woman. Not that I need a woman who curses up a storm, but I can appreciate it. I just realized that sounds like I hang with people named Mendeecees.

    Nope. Not me…a woman who uses unecessary profanity actually a turn OFF. The hard core gully stuff only turns me on while I’m movin her organs..

    • Tx10inch

      Btw, that link didn’t go directly to tha pic I wanted. You gotta scroll down till u see tha tree! lol

    • Juiciest Mango

      dead @moving organs.

      i wonder what Michelle’s market value is. Us regular black womenz is at 0.00000000000000000000000001%, hers must be missing a couple of zeros. Can these e-streets economists verify her valuation? Please and thank you.

      • http://commentarybyvalentina.wordpress.com Val

        Lol!

        Hiya, AM!

        *waves* :-)

      • mena

        I would assume that the e-street statistician would say that she is an outlier, a simple anomaly that goes against the rest of the data. Black women comparing themselves to Michelle Obama would be inane since this type of relationship happens 1 out of 10,000 black relationships.

        I could be wrong though.

        • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

          Actually, the odds would be higher than you suggested. It’s a matter of simple math:

          How many Brothas exist who are like Barack Obama – biracial, first prez of the Harvard Law Review, a politician at the national level, darling of the Left/Party, etc et al? That alone should speak volumes.

          It is not at all as “complicated” as you would like to suggest. Just simple math, I’m afraid…

          O.

          • mena

            I thought my response was quite simple.

            • Kema

              It really is simple math Mena. Take you for example. I’m sure you have a combination of characteristics / life occurences that make you ‘different’. So really if you were to get married to a guy that has a few things about him that make him ‘different’ your relationship would be a 1 out of 10,000 type of relationship that black women would not be able to compare. We are all statistical anomalies. ;-)

              • mena

                Oh i know this. However, O uses statistics to point out the negatives. That’s why i wrote my response the way that i did.

                • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

                  @Ms. Mena:
                  What “positives” would you like me to highlight – and why should it only apply to a gored ox? Please explain?

                  O.

                • Kema

                  Lol! I know you know. I just like how he always discounts everything that doesnt fit his theory.

                  • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

                    Rubbish. I am always open to seeing things from differing angles.

                    O.

            • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

              @Ms. Mena:
              “I thought my response was quite simple.”

              O: I’m sure.

              O.

              • mena

                Whatever you need to say to one up me and others to make yourself feel better and whole, please continue.

                • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

                  @Ms. Mena:
                  Oh, I shall – for I consider the idea of an exchange to be one where ideas are batted around and we attempt, at the least, o determine the truth of things. Too bad you don’t seem to share my affinity for such things.

                  O.

      • Aly

        *snickers*

      • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

        Well, since you asked…

        My take, is that Obama got with Michelle at least in part, because it would look good for his future political career. Nothing in his past – much of which was documented by his own hand – suggests that he ever even dated Black Women until Michelle. I think we have enough circumstantial evidence to conclude that Obama understood the need to have one of the natives on his arm in order to be taken seriously in the political realm. Consider his crushing defeat in 2000 at the hands of former Black Panther Bobby Rush – this was a huge lesson for him in terms of how to handle “Blackness”.

        Political marriages – heck, marriages and for that matter relationships in general – flow along the same lines, no matter how much any of us would try to deny it. We align with others based on what they can do for us. Hence the basis of mate value – some bring more than others, and that can come in various ways and forms. For Obama, Michelle gives him a degree of authenticity that he simply could not garner alone.

        O.

        • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

          It appears my comment is in moderation…

          O.

          • Breezy

            As it should be…lol :)

            Hi Uncle O!

            • The Guy Formerly Know As Hmmmm

              lol

            • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

              LOL, touche, Ms. Breezy. You get an “A” for today!

              :)

              O.

        • mena

          This man had no idea that he would be the person that he is today. He already had street cred before Michele was even in his life. Have you read his book?

          You place such a low value on black women that you do not believe that Barack actually was attracted to and sought Michele for other reasons outside of “he wanted a political marriage?”

          O, is it really this serious for you? You would go so far as to discredit any relationship involving a black woman.

          Serious question, what will you teach your daughter about her worth seeing as the way that you treat her will determine how she allows for other men to treat her when she is an adult?

          • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

            @Ms. Mena:
            “This man had no idea that he would be the person that he is today.”

            O: Clearly you have not thoroughly studied the Man’s life. As early as his years in Hawaii there was talk of him being President one day. Try again.

            “He already had street cred before Michele was even in his life. Have you read his book?”

            O: Have you? I’ve read several books on his life, including and especially his own autobiography. Please point to me all the evidence that he dated a bevy of Sistas prior to Michelle? By his own hand, it seems clear that he dated primarily (if not solely) White Women – fact. I await your response…

            “You place such a low value on black women that you do not believe that Barack actually was attracted to and sought Michele for other reasons outside of “he wanted a political marriage?””

            O: Anything indeed is possible – and as the long history of arranged marriages clearly show – love and true attachment can indeed accrue over time. But that doesn’t diminish in the least what I’ve said. And you know it.

            “O, is it really this serious for you?”

            O: Is fostering a discussion on the psychology of human mating a serious matter for me? Definitely.

            “You would go so far as to discredit any relationship involving a black woman.”

            O; No; I merely gave my take on an open question put forth by our host, Mr. Panama Jackson. I gave my take; bang, there it is.

            “Serious question, what will you teach your daughter about her worth seeing as the way that you treat her will determine how she allows for other men to treat her when she is an adult?”

            O: I don’t have a daughter.

            Next question?

            O.

            • Juiciest Mango

              But O, I would think that by him marrying a white woman that would have guaranteed his presidency bid, no? I’m surprised he needed a sister to pursue his political ambitions.

              I’m now thoroughly confused as to how this market valuation works, and if at all it has any merits. According to your theory, Michelle would have depreciated his value and therefore affected his chances at winning. o_O!!!!

              • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

                @Ms. JuiciestMango:
                Yes, I agree that Michelle Obama could be seen as somewhat counterintuitive on the surface along these lines; but when we consider Obama’s unique history – which includes the fact that he never had any Black street cred until well into his adult years – it all makes sense.

                Of course it’s all speculation at this point, but I’ve always been of the view that had Obama married one of his White girlfriends that he talks about in his autobiography, he would NOT have garnered the crucial Black support he needed in order to win the Presidency. Keep in mind that Black Women makeup the majority of the voting rolls in Black USA; they would not likely support a marginally Black Man who has a White Becky on his arm. That Barack is with a very Black looking Black Woman, of inner city roots, and frequently is seen fussing over her, is a huge and comforting point for Black Women psychologically. It explains their enthusiastic support for Obama; it is a vicarious vote of deeply held sociosexual and romantic aspirations. Prof. Ralph Richard Banks discusses all this and more in his book, Is Marriage For White People.

                O.

                • Justmetheguy

                  “Of course it’s all speculation at this point, but I’ve always been of the view that had Obama married one of his White girlfriends that he talks about in his autobiography, he would NOT have garnered the crucial Black support he needed in order to win the Presidency.”

                  I can’t even lie. Yall know I’m not on team f*ck-a-sista but I agree with O on that point. He needed her to gain unconditional love from black folks, and he also didn’t p!ss off the few moderate and liberal whites who would’ve been jealous of a black man with more power with them taking “their women” so I gotta agree with O on that point at least.

                  • camilleblue

                    yeah – gotta agree…we would have been all up in arms calling him a sellout every which way possible…he would not have gotten the vote with a white wife…

                • thE Woman

                  Regardless of his backing by African American women, the African American vote has not been a significant factor for a while. His whole grass roots campaign got going with the support of white people in their early twenties. His major backing during his first term had little to nothing to do with whether or not black people voted for him. The cultural assumption was that he had black support when the reality was that never mattered.

                  A mixed race man married to an “authentic” street wise Michelle is no more a viable presidential option than a safe mixed race african am. man with a white wife and his cute biracial family. Both are safe or risky depending on the viewer.

                  And yes, he had ambitions for the presidency but to conclude that Michelle was chosen because of her blackness and how that would affect him politically, not her own business savy, political savy, appearance, upbringing, demeanor, physical attraction is an interesting perspective to take only to disguise it as being objective :-/

                  • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

                    Of course all the other factors you mention wrt Michelle I am sure Obama took into account; that however, does not in any way diminish my point. Look at JFK and Jackie O – sure, she had all the other factos in place as well. But you can best believe that her looks and background loomed well ahead of these things. Such it is with any high powered potential coupling.

                    As for Obama’s needing the Black vote – both elections beg to differ with your analysis. Indeed, back in 08, the South Carolina primary – the first such primary where the Black Vote played a crucial role – was the breakout time for Obama, although we also have to note that in many ways he won by default given Bill Clinton’s own major mistakes with his wife’s campaign. The Dems cannot win nationally without the Black Vote. Ask any PoliSci wonk about this.

                    O.

                • Juiciest Mango

                  wholeheartedly agree about him getting support from us because of sistah Michelle.

      • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

        What’s fascinating about the above response on the part of Ms. JuciestMango, and other ladies cosigning it, is that NONE OF THEM would have any problem in the least with the concept of mate value when and if it applied to Men. Women – and I am certain ALL of the Women “snickering” right now – have flatly rejected Men for all manner of real or perceived reasons that, in their view, said to them that said Men had lower mate value.

        Indeed, Women can and will reject entire swaths or cohorts of Men for these and many other reasons, all the time. Why then is it so wrong, or bad, to simply point out the same thing when it comes to Women?

        Hmm?

        O.

        • Wild Cougar

          Why are you stuck on the same thing? Why do you never tire of the subject of black women’s low market value, as you see it?

          I could see if you were stuck on improving black men’s market value, since you are a black man. But you stay on this issue of trying to make black women accept that they are worthless and will never get a man, unless they lower their standards. Why so much concern about black women’s value and their standards in men?

          Wait. I think I answered my own question.

          Get over it. Please and thank you.

          • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

            @Ms. Wild Cougar:
            “Why are you stuck on the same thing?”

            O: I’m not; if you will kindly notice, I was merely responding to a already extant comment that was made on the topic.

            “Why do you never tire of the subject of black women’s low market value, as you see it?”

            O: I don’t; what I never tire of is the topic of the psychology of human mating – something that, it would seem, as completely gone over your head…

            “I could see if you were stuck on improving black men’s market value, since you are a black man.”

            O: And I am. But even if I weren’t, why would that be OK, and the current topic which you are railing against, is not? Aren’t Black Women strong and independent enough to be able to engage in dispassionate discourse along these lines without throwing a temper tantrum on the virtual floor (much like you’re doing right now)? I say that they do. Ironic that I have more faith in Sistas in this regard than you do. Sexist.

            But you stay on this issue of trying to make black women accept that they are worthless and will never get a man, unless they lower their standards.”

            O: I have never made any such statement. And besides, even Panama agrees with me when it comes to the topic of mate value. Why does this bother you so, hmm? Oh, wait…

            “Why so much concern about black women’s value and their standards in men?”

            O: Because this is a forum that discusses in whole or in part, Black relationships. To that extent, my queries ae valid – as your hysterionics in response clearly proves…

            “Wait. I think I answered my own question.”

            O: You’re actually capable of formulating questions?

            “Get over it. Please and thank you.”

            O: Get over you? Trust me my dear, no one is pining away for you, I’m afraid.

            But you’re most welcome.

            O.

            • Wild Cougar

              No one is throwing a tantrum or being hypersensitive. The source of excess emotion here is very apparent, in spite of the attempts to cover it with stats, false objectivity, airs of superiority, veneer of authority, projection, failed gaslighting attempts, clamor for attention and validation……

              In spite of all of that, the source of emotion is painfully apparent

              • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

                @Ms. Wild Cougar:
                “No one is throwing a tantrum or being hypersensitive.”

                O: Sure you are! If what I was saying was that whacked, you would simply walk on by, as the song would say. But the fact that you, and a small cabal of your sisters, go out of your/their way to feebly attempt to upbraid me, makes the grand point: what I said, has struck a raw nerve. The Truth, often does.

                “The source of excess emotion here is very apparent, in spite of the attempts to cover it with stats, false objectivity, airs of superiority, veneer of authority, projection, failed gaslighting attempts, clamor for attention and validation……”

                O: Projection much, Madam? I could make a powerful case that all of this fits you much more than it fits me. Shall we put test the theory?

                “In spite of all of that, the source of emotion is painfully apparent.”

                O: Your being butthurt by what I’ve said? Yes, I wholeheartedly agree…

                O.

                • Wild Cougar

                  Zzzzzzz

                  • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

                    Yes, I hear you have that effect on the Menz…

                    O.

          • Justmetheguy

            “NONE OF THEM would have any problem in the least with the concept of mate value when and if it applied to Men. ”

            O, it’s great that you mentioned that because I was thinking the same thing yesterday but I was like f*ck it, no need to mention it. Women on this site and in real life find subtle and polite ways to say the same all the time. Guess they’d rather it just be left unsaid as it pertains to them.

            With that being said I think WC makes a valid point though, you do talk about black women’s low market value A LOT, and you also speak in absolutes when there’s more grey to life than you’re willing to acknowledge. It would be one thing if you ONLY brought it up from time to time when we were talking about events that occur in the SMP (as you call it) but you seem to always find a way to tie it into ANY conversation, that detracts from your credibility in the eyes of many because it makes you seem obsessed with denigrating black women. I know better, but I can certainly see that you come off that way. They do have a point.

            • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

              @JMTG:
              “O, it’s great that you mentioned that because I was thinking the same thing yesterday but I was like f*ck it, no need to mention it. Women on this site and in real life find subtle and polite ways to say the same all the time. Guess they’d rather it just be left unsaid as it pertains to them.”

              O: As well they should, LOL. That isn’t the problem, though – the problem is (BLACK) MEN DON’T SPEAK UP ABOUT IT. And yes, in order to do it they have to be willing to risk being shamed into silence in all the familar ways Women are known to engage in when attempting to silence dissenting voices. So, it doesn’t bother me one bit when whoever attempts to make this personal to me; indeed, I welcome it!-because it proves that they don’t have a dialectical leg to stand on, and can only resort to rank personal assaults with which to fend off the sheer ferocity of my well-placed rhetorical bharbs of stinging and biting truths about them.

              “With that being said I think WC makes a valid point though, you do talk about black women’s low market value A LOT, and you also speak in absolutes when there’s more grey to life than you’re willing to acknowledge.”

              O: OK – for one thing, I have never said that Black Women had no mating value, period; nor have I ever said that such things applies to all Black Women. Please go back and actually review what I’ve said – I’ve taken great pains to always note that there are exceptions to the rule, that I was speaking in the broadest possible terms.

              Second, I would just love to see the total number of times I’ve mentioned the term mate value alone, compared to the total number of comments I’ve made here. Something tells me it would barely go past ten percent or so. Again, the issue isn’t one of empiricism, but of the sheer fact of my mentioning it at all – a sacrilege to say. Women have tremendous privilege in this regard, and as we can clearly see, they are not at all keen to give it up…

              “It would be one thing if you ONLY brought it up from time to time when we were talking about events that occur in the SMP (as you call it) but you seem to always find a way to tie it into ANY conversation, that detracts from your credibility in the eyes of many because it makes you seem obsessed with denigrating black women. I know better, but I can certainly see that you come off that way. They do have a point.”

              O: The point itself lacks credibility without a firm empirical basis to back it up. Merely saying that it is so does not make it so. Again: there are IT/CompSci pros in the forum. Let’s put the charges you and others here have brought to the acid test, shall we? Let’s find out if indeed, I’m denigrating Black Women at every jot and tittle as you and others say; let’s find out if every comment I type has the terms mate value/Black Women embedded in them.

              Any takers?

              O.

              • Juiciest Mango

                O,

                PERSONAL assault?!

                You are being a tad dramatic. Can you show where you’ve been assaulted or called out your name.

        • Juiciest Mango

          O,

          You’ve made it your commentary mission on this blog to point out how LOW valued we are in this society, how it soooooooo our fault, AND how this problem cannot be remedied, as it has historical roots ANNNNND we should truly appreciate when we get validated by white women [whose market value is through the roof, 999.99%]

          So, I just wanted to know what Michelle’s rating was. Surely, her value cannot be THAT depreciated as ours.

          Why then is it so wrong, or bad, to simply point out the same thing when it comes to Women?

          -It is not so much the statistics that get me, it’s how you phrase it-the delivery. You come across as a black man scorned who’s out seeking revenge and baying for blood every chance he gets.

          I’ve already adjourned my ass, and you sir?

          • mena

            Yes, that is his mission and will always be. We could speak on any range of topics and he will always bring it around to a black woman’s low market value.

            He knows exactly what he is doing on this site.

            • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

              @Ms. Mena:
              “Yes, that is his mission and will always be. We could speak on any range of topics and he will always bring it around to a black woman’s low market value.”

              O: This is an odd statement, as it was clear that I was merely responding to a query on the matter above in the thread. Hypersensitive much, Ms. Mena? Hmm?

              “He knows exactly what he is doing on this site.”

              O: Indeed – freeing minds…

              O.

              • Sweet GA Brown

                You have got to master a different approach.

                • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

                  The medium, is the message, madam…

                  O.

              • mena

                LOL…I do appreciate that when a woman disagrees with you, she is hypersensitive. Keep going. The fun never stops with you O.

                If you can’t see the pattern of how you bring up black women’s low value every chance you get, then oh well. You do it at least once a week every week.

                • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

                  @Ms. Mena:
                  “LOL…I do appreciate that when a woman disagrees with you, she is hypersensitive. Keep going. The fun never stops with you O.”

                  O: I’m glad you approve! I accept.

                  “If you can’t see the pattern of how you bring up black women’s low value every chance you get, then oh well. You do it at least once a week every week.”

                  O: As I’ve said for the third time now: let’s breakout the data mining gear and prove it. I say I do not.

                  Shall we test it?

                  O.

                  • mena

                    Yep. Let’s test it. I will be watching.

          • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

            @Ms. JuciestMango:
            “You’ve made it your commentary mission on this blog to point out how LOW valued we are in this society, how it soooooooo our fault, AND how this problem cannot be remedied, as it has historical roots ANNNNND we should truly appreciate when we get validated by white women [whose market value is through the roof, 999.99%]”

            O: If you will kindly recall, I never attributed blame. Moreover, my mission, as it were, on this blog and elsewhere, is to offer novel approaches toward old saws that we seem to discuss ad nausuem, round and round, forever and a day. I offer a fresh take and look at these problems, through the lens of evolutionary psychology and other disciplines. I offer thinking outside of the Black box that so many of us are hamstrung by and trapped in.

            “So, I just wanted to know what Michelle’s rating was. Surely, her value cannot be THAT depreciated as ours.”

            O: Hmm. I don’t know if a ranking of First Ladies has been done and if so, where Michelle Obama would or would not rank – and even if it were commissioned, I am not entirely sure it would be a valid measure, as OKCupid has made clear in a study of its own some 7M members, the Bradley Effect, even in, especially in, terms of mating, is a very real thing. In other words: people say one thing in public and do something else in private, all the time.

            *Quoting me*:”Why then is it so wrong, or bad, to simply point out the same thing when it comes to Women?”

            “-It is not so much the statistics that get me, it’s how you phrase it-the delivery. You come across as a black man scorned who’s out seeking revenge and baying for blood every chance he gets.”

            O: Assuming the that would be true, it would not in any way diminish my query that you quoted above. Everyone reading this has either experienced, or witnessed, or indeed has rejected a Man for a myriad of reasons, all of which add up to his not making the mate value cut. Indeed, Women have entire cultural practices and traditions dedicated to it. It is completely OK for Women to sometimes cruelly denigrate Men for this, again real or perceived lack(s) of mate value. Yet, it is NOT OK for ANYONE to do same when it comes to Women – even when, as in the case of Black Women in aggregate, we have reams of survey and other data, that clearly shows their relative lower mate value to be the case.

            Now, you tell me, Ms. JM – WHY is that? Why can’t we simply be able to have a dispassionate discussion on these and related issues? One gets the impression that Black Women as a group are extraordinarily hypersensitive, and not at all as strong and independent as they would like so many to believe.

            What, sayeth you?

            “I’ve already adjourned my ass, and you sir?”

            O: Class is still very much in session…

            O.

            • Juiciest Mango

              hahahaha @ class is still very much in session.

              Why can’t we simply be able to have a dispassionate discussion on these and related issues?

              -It’s not possible to eject emotions out of the conversation, at least not when I’m being told I’m worthless in a roundabout the way manner, by of ALLLLLLL people, a BROTHA. C’mon! Where is the U.N.I.T.Y.?

              Throwing me under the bus, and expecting me to not react is inhumane of you…lool! Here is the thing, those are your views you are entitled to them. I just respectfully disrespect them and we’ll never see eye to eye on this subject matter.

              Our so called “hypersensitivity” is justified. When we are constantly being demonized by the media and it’s affiliates [you], while our counterparts are being exoticized…..

              By the way, not in any way trying to pull the victim card here. As I’ve told you before, we ain’t saints, but neither are we satan’s agents as you paint as to be. :)

              • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

                @Ms. JuciestMango:
                “It’s not possible to eject emotions out of the conversation,”

                O: Of course, it is – Women have long been observed to operate in coldly efficient manners when the need occasions it. Women are observed coldly and in some cases, cruelly, shooting down Men all the time. Women can and will fake airs and the like for the sake of their jobs. Heck, Women are known to fake it in bed, too. All of this is well documented and anecdotally annotated by us all. Again, the only difference here is that I’m noticing this outloud and openly doing so. Women have the capacity to cultivate a degree of detachment. They just don’t want to when their ox is getting gored. I need them to do better.

                “at least not when I’m being told I’m worthless in a roundabout the way manner, by of ALLLLLLL people, a BROTHA. C’mon! Where is the U.N.I.T.Y.?”

                O: Is “unity” contingent on my, or any other Brotha’s blind allegiance and Yes Man agreement? I certainly hope not…

                At any rate, I never said that you, or any other Black Woman, was worthless. I simply made the observation – which is backed by numerous dating surveys and the like – that Black Women are perceived to have lower mating value that other Women in American life. I note with some interest that to date, no one, including you, has directly refuted this observation. Hmm.

                “Throwing me under the bus, and expecting me to not react is inhumane of you…lool! Here is the thing, those are your views you are entitled to them. I just respectfully disrespect them and we’ll never see eye to eye on this subject matter.”

                O: The evidence does not require you, me, or anyone else, to see eye to eye. It is what it is.

                “Our so called “hypersensitivity” is justified.”

                O: Most behaviors can be rationalized; that doesn’t make it right, or in this instance, productive.

                “When we are constantly being demonized by the media and it’s affiliates [you], while our counterparts are being exoticized…..”

                O: ??? White Women are being exoticized? Really? How so? If anything, by definition, Black Women would fit the description of being exotic.

                “By the way, not in any way trying to pull the victim card here. As I’ve told you before, we ain’t saints, but neither are we satan’s agents as you paint as to be.”

                O: LOL. As I noted yesterday, I don’t think Black Women, or any other group of Women, are agents of the Devil. Just human – which carries with it good and bad…

                O.

                • Juiciest Mango

                  ” I note with some interest that to date, no one, including you, has directly refuted this observation.”

                  To be honest, I’ve never paid any attention to the stats that you quote.

                  BUUUT, for the sake of this market value argument I’ll make it a point to read then refute. Don’t want to do it blindly.

                  White Women are being exoticized? Really? How so? If anything, by definition, Black Women would fit the description of being exotic.

                  My bad, exoctize was not the correct term. Yes you are correct about us being exoticized.

                  Well, what I meant to say is that they are seen as the premier standard of beauty, whereas we are viewed from a Sarah Baartman angle-and not just beauty wise, just about any single thing you can think of.

                  Oooh lala, what were you smoking when you wrote, “Just human – which carries with it GOOD and bad…”
                  Smoke it more often.

                  Thanks for your time O!! Have a great weekend. :)

          • Asiyah

            #TeamJuiciestMango and #TeamWildCougar

            Come on O, you gotta admit you have a tendency to do that a lot. It can’t possibly always be Black women’s fault. Black women are already put down by the media. They don’t really need it from their own men.

            • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

              @Ms. Asyiah:
              “Come on O, you gotta admit you have a tendency to do that a lot. It can’t possibly always be Black women’s fault. Black women are already put down by the media. They don’t really need it from their own men.”

              O: Again, I didn’t assign blame, merely noticed outloud what we all notice covertly. I do admit that take immense enjoyment in noticing things in vocal ways. Chalk it up to my deep aversion to PC notions and the like. Ben Carson is my hero. :)

              It is notable that you would mention Ms. Wild Cougar, since she herself has been noted for what many would consider anti-Black Male diatribes to the point of mind-numbing regularity – nor is she alone. Quite a number of ladies here in this forum are WC’s fellow travelers, and they aren’t taken to task for it, certainly not by the bulk and mass of VSB commenters here in any event, which just so happens to be Women themselves. Again, so much for the notion of equality, right? It’s wholly OK to go in on Men day after day and night after night – but even the slightest hint of the reverse is enough to elicit howls of derision?

              Hmm…

              “The media” will never be able to do the kinds of lasting damage to Black Women that Black Women do to themselves, time and again. Instead of attempting to shift the blame onto anything and everything else, perhaps it might merit Black Women to take a good, long, hard look in the mirror and make that change?

              O.

              • Asiyah

                O,

                WC has always said she finds Black men to be very attractive. She’s said how she’s dated or been involved with men outside of her race and how her own men still trump them all in her mind and heart. The only time she engages in diatribes against men is when she feels attacked, and she doesn’t criticize Black men as a whole, just the men she feels aren’t real men (irrespective of their race). I am not defending her because she’s my homegirl, I barely know her and we know she can fight her own battles, but let’s not jump the gun here and put words in her mouth.

                I admire that you are vocal with your observations but when you are only vocal with what you observe to be wrong and not what you observe to be right that’s messed up.

                • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

                  @Ms. Asiyah:
                  “WC has always said she finds Black men to be very attractive.”

                  O: Strom Thurmond had a Black daughter; does that mean that he really, really liked Black folk after all?

                  “She’s said how she’s dated or been involved with men outside of her race and how her own men still trump them all in her mind and heart.”

                  O: See above…

                  “The only time she engages in diatribes against men is when she feels attacked, and she doesn’t criticize Black men as a whole, just the men she feels aren’t real men (irrespective of their race).”

                  O: I certainly would like to see evidence supporting this claim – in fact, I am sure there are IT and other CompSci pros in this forum. I would love to see if they’d be willing to data mine the comments of this blog, WC and mine, and then we can determine definitely, just who said what and how many times thus and so was said by either party.

                  “I am not defending her because she’s my homegirl, I barely know her and we know she can fight her own battles, but let’s not jump the gun here and put words in her mouth.”

                  O: Again, see above. LGTFO…

                  “I admire that you are vocal with your observations but when you are only vocal with what you observe to be wrong and not what you observe to be right that’s messed up.”

                  O: Such an approach is juvenile. One doesn’t call another a social critic if said social critic has to maintain some sort of happy quota of observations so as to not upset the object of his critiques. Strange that, for all the guff I get about supposedly not liking Black Women, that I continue to have faith in their maturity and ability to handle informed critique, when so many socalled supporters of them do not.

                  Hmm…

                  O.

                  • Asiyah

                    It isn’t juvenile to ask for balance. I’m not saying you can’t offer constructive criticism, but when all you do is point out flaws in a condescending manner, those observations cease to be constructive criticisms and are just destructive. No need to be Black and White. You can point out the bad and acknowledge the good.

                    • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

                      I said nothing in the least about “constructive criticism”. I said critique. And I maintain what I said earlier – fascinating that I have faith in Black Women’s abilty to separate the wheat from the chaff, while their ostensible boosters, do not…

                      O.

            • Juiciest Mango

              Hey girlie!!!!! :)

              • Asiyah

                Hi ma!

        • BriA

          LAWD! Addressing this is issue with you (as many others have) is probably a waste of time, but I’m gonna do it anyway. The topic could be about rainbows and skittles and you would somehow find a way to bring up Black women’s mate value and all the books and studies you have read to prove that we ain’t sheit (and yes I’m aware that you didn’t technically bring it up first today.) It’s not enough that you say it constantly, but you want Black women to KNOW, think, and believe our mate value is low so we can stay in our place on some “that will teach them to reject another Black man” type ish.

          Rejection sucks! We get it! We’ve all been rejected, but you have taken it to heart and made it your personal duty to get back at all the Black women who have done you wrong by coming for us all. Life gets better. I promise. :-)

          • http://obsidianraw.bravejournal.com Obsidian

            @Ms. Bria:
            I’ve decided to respond in somewhat reverse order since it’s been what appears to be a favored theme of late – attempting to frame the discussion on the person instead of the issue(s) at hand and under examination:

            “Rejection sucks! We get it! We’ve all been rejected, but you have taken it to heart and made it your personal duty to get back at all the Black women who have done you wrong by coming for us all. Life gets better. I promise.”

            O: Does it? Where does it say that it indeed, “gets better”? We all know people for whom this is simply not true – and this, despite their being “good people” all the same. This very fact supports all I’ve said with regard to mating value, and other aspects of the psychology of human mating. Simply put, everyone will not mate. Nor will everyone “get over it”. The big problem here, is that our society is geared to toward assisting Women, and we couldn’t give a fig about Men. Well, I want to highlight that rank hypocrisy. This is one way for me to do so.

            Which brings us to your and other’s view that somehow I’m exorcising personal demons. I can assure you I am not. Neither you, nor the vast majority of my detractors, have any idea whatsoever as to what I do in my personal life or who does or does not share in it. And you won’t. I get the idea, but I want people – especially Black people – to learn to embrace the idea of critical thinking; of abstract ideas and concepts; and to learn how to argue with logic. Even if all you and others assert about me were true, and it’s not, it STILL wouldn’t address what I’ve said, and to date, no one has really addressed any of it. More proof of just how lax we truly are when it comes to rhetoric, dialectic, making coherent arguments, and critical thinking.

            The question here, Ms. Bria, isn’t whether I’ve experienced rejection or not. The question is whether Women reject Men for the same things they rail against Men who reject them for, and why merely pointing this out is considered near-blasphemous. The question is, whether the narratives we’ve been force-fed when it comes to varied and sundried matters of sexual politics actually right and exact, or, if it is indeed possible for another take on the whole thing. The question is, whether Black Women in these instances, are hapless victims and mindless automatons with no personal agency or vice, or are they indeed empowered individuals with needs, drives and contradictions all their own. In other words: actually THINK these questions and others I raise, through, Ms. Bria. Consider the possibility that there could indeed be more informed ways of looking at these things.

            You feel me?

            “LAWD! Addressing this is issue with you (as many others have) is probably a waste of time, but I’m gonna do it anyway. The topic could be about rainbows and skittles and you would somehow find a way to bring up Black women’s mate value and all the books and studies you have read to prove that we ain’t sheit (and yes I’m aware that you didn’t technically bring it up first today.) It’s not enough that you say it constantly, but you want Black women to KNOW, think, and believe our mate value is low so we can stay in our place on some “that will teach them to reject another Black man” type ish.”

            O: Nothing could be more further from the truth. For one thing, one can go back and collect my comments made here at VSB, and I would wager a princely sum that less than half of all of them ever mentions anything about Black female mate value. Indeed, on quite a few occasions I’ve had comments where I took Black Men themselves to task, and in ways much harsher than anything I’ve ever said about Black Women (my recent comments about Black Men and drinks, as well as some of their tendency toward White Knighting in Blackface immediately comes to mind and is a case in point). The problem is the very act of my going off the “Black Queen” reservation that is at issue, I’m afraid. Hmm.

            O.

    • http://whathappened2rich.tumblr.com Rich Law

      #6. FLOTUS is hot sometimes, depending on what she is wearing, other times she reminds me of that well-to-do aunt you enjoy visiting.

  • Geneva Girl

    15. Natural-hair wigs do indeed exist, but they are VERY expensive and probably out of the price range of shoppers at an Asian-owned hair care store.

    9. What are your theories?

    • AfroPetite

      I managed to get some great natural hair that was under $250.00 for 8oz at 16 and 18 inches. It’s in great shape and I will be installing again for the spring

      • Latonya

        Wow my hair salon would charged me $ 600.00 for the weave. Houston seem like the only city that over charge when it comes hair care.

        • AfroPetite

          The internet is a wonderful place, salons will always overcharge.

        • msdebbs

          $600??? Thats my rent minus $68 bucks…girl bye.

          • http://twitter.com/inomallday Shamra

            Your rent is $600? I need to move where you are…these city expenses are ruining my bank act :-(

            • Sweet GA Brown

              Girl who you tellin. My one bedroom is $860. If I could save $200 I would be too happy. But then again it depends of the neighborhood.

          • KENYADIGIT

            Please tell me you have a roommate cuz your rent is depressing me.

            • Aly

              Lol. Mine is $620. Two bedrooms, no roommate.

              • http://twitter.com/inomallday Shamira

                $620?!?!?! Mannnnn screw NYC. I don’t ever go to the museums anymore anyway. *packs bags & updates LinkedIn*

                • Asiyah

                  Shamira, let’s move together! The rent’s too d#mn high here in the NYC!

              • Rewind

                That’s equivalent to living in the projects here in NYC.

                • http://commentarybyvalentina.wordpress.com Val

                  Same thing here, Rewind.

            • msdebbs

              good ol southern living…..no room mate great neighborhood.

        • http://www.twitter.com/Bmorebmw Tentpole

          They have to make up for all the lost jerri curl revenue

      • Geneva Girl

        He said wigs, not weave hair. Natural weave hair is easy to purchase, it’s a wig that takes craftsmanship to create something believable.

    • Breezy

      Hmmm, I will wait for Aunty WIP to comment on this one. I didn’t even know natural hair weave or wigs existed. This causes me to remember that scene in Chris Rock’s documentary on Good Hair when he went with a plastic bag of “black hair” to see how much the Asian guy would pay for it and the dude acted as if Chris handed him a fresh bag of shid.

      • Breezy

        Un-moderate me!!!!

      • http://www.styleillusions.com WIP

        Girl…yes. They exist and there are a variety.

    • http://www.styleillusions.com WIP

      Nah, natural hair wigs aren’t necessarily expensive at all. If you’re trying to get a full lace 100% human hair joint, ya you’re gonna pay but I’m highly impressed by what ladies can do with a curly synthetic half-wig. You’d never know the difference.

      • http://verysmartbrothas.com Panama Jackson

        well shut my mouth wide open.

      • Immakinuwait

        Yep rocking a synthetic joint with my natural hair out front. Totally believable, and I don’t need to wear a hat for this NY winter..****.BONUS***